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04 August 2013

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• Rudolphs revenge (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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I am Hijiri88. I have never attempted to hide this. ArbCom has told me that EVEN THOUGH my activities have never been disruptive, and that I was only using multiple accounts to avoid being harassed by my real-world stalker, I should still refrain. I posted an official statement of retirement on my userpage, in which I asked the Misplaced Pages community to continue looking into User:Bagworm's hounding of me, but the page was deleted as an "attack page". I'm still leaving Misplaced Pages, but if I'm not going to be allowed do so as long as I still want Bagworm to stop undoing all my edits, I might as well see it through. I am NOT going to use more than one account in this.

Anyway, I have been keeping some of my knowledge of Bagworm's activities back because of the risk of accidentally outing him. I will be careful not to do this here, but I would like to ask someone to check this.

• Rudolphs revenge has the same interest in Egypt/the Arab world.
• Rudolphs revenge has the same interest in early-modern Japanese poetry.
• Rudolphs revenge is also probably based in Ireland.
• Rudolphs revenge was apparently following my userpage despite having NEVER interacted with me.
• Rudolphs revenge shows the same interest in Norman Darlington's Journal of Renku & Renga, only two months after said magazine first saw publication. Bagworm, although he was the one who added that section to the article, later agreed that the entire section, except for Darlinton's magazine, should probably be removed.
• Bagworm had his previous 4-month break between 20-12-2010 and 10-12-2011, and all of Rudolphs revenge's edits (except for the relatively recent one where he admitted to following me) were made during this time.
• Also: is the suggestion that I post on my old page as an anonymous IP a reference to my posting on a couple of other pages as an anonymous IP??

Cheers!

Coldman the Barbarian (talk) 02:10, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Note that while the above information originally appeared in an e-mail I sent to another user, in which I did speculate on the real-world identity of Bagworm, I have removed all references to said identity. Bagworm has been accusing me since posting the above, saying that the statement that I have been keeping some of my knowledge of Bagworm's activities back because of the risk of accidentally outing him immediately followed a portion of that information constitutes an "open attempt" to out him. Obviously, if I have removed all real-world personal information from an e-mail I previously sent to another user, then posting the personal information-free version could not possibly constitute an "attempt" on my part to out anyone. If there is any doubt, the user I e-mailed (who had helped me with similar concerns before) can probably back me up that the above has been cleansed of all the personal, potentially outing information that was in the original e-mail, and that my e-mail itself openly declared that I was avoiding possible outing at all costs. My on-wiki activity is also evidence enough that I take this issue very seriously. Coldman the Barbarian (talk) 05:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments by other users

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I am Bagworm. Rudolphs revenge is an account used by someone close to me, who shared some of my real-life experience and interests, and not unnaturally, possibly my IP or range. This does not make her a meatpuppet in my understanding, since I did not urge her to act in any way on my behalf or in support of me, as her contribution list will attest. If she was following Coldman/Konjakupoet this will have been either as a result of my discussing my WP experience with her, or of her interest (shared with me) in the subject areas where he edits. Sadly I can't ask her for any further explanation as she is no longer here.

I do believe that Coldman's linking me with a real-world identity above, however "careful" he has been, constitutes an outing attempt. This because he perpetrated a previous outing attempt on me here (The attacking text in the edit summary has been expunged by Oversight. He openly admits to being the IP who perpetrated it, though he now describes it as a "joke") and I believe that "I've been holding back on pointing out all the details of Bagworm's harassment because I would run the risk of outing him. But now this has gone too far." here makes his intention very clear.

The fact that the identity he is attempting to link to is one that he knows is not my real one is no defense, however much he might protest, since WP:OUTING is just as serious an offense whether the identification is correct or incorrect. His current dangerous behavior should be seen in the context of his setting up a venomous attack page targeting me yesterday. Happily that attack page was speedily deleted - see comments on his talk page by two admins here before he blanked it in shame. In short, it is apparent that I am being made the target of a concerted attack by Coldman, first at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bagworm engaging in grave-dancing/harassment, then at the attack page he created, and now here. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 09:08, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

• I think Coldman is being a little disingenuous, textually. The only "incriminating" diff here says that account was watching the history of Hijiri88's user page. Which indeed does show some strange activity. Reading that statement, otherwise supportive of Hijiri88/Coldman, as a confession of harassment is a bit far fetched. The check-user says Bagworm also edited logged out in an unseemly way, but I can't comment on that because the evidence is not public. I'm going to ask though if those pages were or were not part of the general interest area(s) of Bagworm. Someone not using his real name (talk) 10:09, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

•  Clerk note: In my opinion it's obvious that Bagworm and Rudolph's revenge are the same user, given both your evidence and the similarity in edit summaries: Bagworm, Rudolph. But what violation of the sock policy are you alleging has taken place here? Simply having an alternative account, even an undeclared account, is not a violation in and of itself. But you'll notice there are some precise things that would be considered a violation. Someguy1221 (talk) 08:40, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

At ANI right now, I am having some trouble convincing people that Bagworm has been following me and undoing my edits. Rudolph's latest edit is a direct admission to following me while not actively editing Misplaced Pages himself. Additionally, if Bagworm chose to revive a years old sock in order to post that, it indicates that he was trying to evade scrutiny in his following of me. Coldman the Barbarian (talk) 09:11, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Uhm, I'd say there is certainly something weird going on, here. The two accounts are  Technically indistinguishable, although the use of Rudolphs revenge (talk · contribs) doesn't seem to have been in violation of WP:SOCK – the only violation I could find was that Bagworm edited Renku with two different accounts, but that's a. stale and b. rather minor. However, this account's last edit on User talk:Konjakupoet, coupled with a few edits he made while logged out – I don't want to identify the edits precisely because I'd reveal your IP address, but I'm certain you know what I'm referring to – lend credence to Coldman's allegation that you have been following him. Salvio 09:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I have certainly been following him. That my partner also followed him is apparent (I've already referred to this above), and though I have on occasion edited while logged out, it is equally likely that said edits were Rudolph's. But no-one is going to make me admit to an untruth: that Rudolph and Bagworm were the same real-life entity. I've explained above that we were (very) close and Salvio is of course correct that the two accounts are "technically identical", so I can't offer any technical evidence one way or the other. If you choose to believe me or not, that's entirely up to you. So what do you want me to do? --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 10:37, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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