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Gilberton police chief

The section about the Gilberton police chief has been targeted for section blanking by vandals several times. The section is sourced appropriately and the police chief's videos made national news — so the section should not be removed without discussion. If you have suggestions, please make them here. Please don't remove this section without discussing. Athene cunicularia (talk) 18:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

You are making the article a political stump, sorry, I am at this time TOTALLY uninvolved with this article.Coal town guy (talk) 18:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I also think it is noteworthy when the police chief of a municipality, whose pay comes from taxpayers, seems to dismiss as worthless an entire group of his constituency. Even if this wasn't national news, it would still be worth adding to the Gilberton article. Athene cunicularia (talk) 18:47, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I think thats swell. I think, we should muckrake every municipality documented here, that way, the world knows its all about politics and not facts. NOT the role for an encyclopedia IMO. The quote is accurate, I understand. Thank you for the reply. I am at this time totally UNinvolved on the talk page or the article or the editing of said items.Coal town guy (talk) 19:08, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages policy declares that Misplaced Pages is not a platform for Scandal mongering. "Scandal mongering" is a good description of the content in question. The content in question was, indeed, published in national media outlets, but not everything that gets reported in the news is worthwhile content for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, there may be WP:BLP issues with this content. --Orlady (talk) 19:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more, Orlady. BTW, to the original poster in this thread, you need to familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages's editing cycle. You will find it at WP:BRD. It goes like this. One editor makes a bold addition, another editor reverts it, then they discuss it at the talk page. Nowhere does it say you restore your perffered version then you discuss it. Whomever made the edit that you blamed on Coal Town Guy was absolutely correct. You were out of policy to restore it without discussion, which as you can see here has occured and consensus is leaning strongly to not have it in. Blogs are the place for this kind of content, not here. Oh, and it is not vandalism to remove content unless the intent is to damage the encyclopedia. That is not the case here. Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I deleted the section today because it was scandal mongering per WP:SOAP. I know that policy because, I believe that while the content and quote were correct, it was NOT and I repeat NOT done in the spirit or sense of educating anyone. I also know that policy because, ALL editors help one another, this is salty stuff, and can be done in an encyclopedic fashion. As to my own political views, or preferences, they do NOT belong here. Its not easy, but again, its part of being a better editor. There are also ways to quote and paraphrase which can bring the import of said statements to light. Hence, enjoining to form a consensus in this instance was critical. I profess to NOT be perfect, and I have indeed screwed the pooch on a few moments certainly, BUT I also promised to be a better editor., thats not so easy at timesCoal town guy (talk) 23:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

This isn't scandal mongering. The whole town is in rebellion against the United States of America. If they start shooting, VX gas would be appropriate against this town. They are unlikely to get any new blood into this town, therefore the problem of Insurrectionists will remain. The United States Constitution is quite clear in "to suppress Insurrections", not resticted by any rules or foreign treaty, and NOT superseded by ANY Amendment. In short, we have a town in full rebellion, and it's protectors don't want the rest of America warned away from it. The ENTIRE leadership of this town is on record, and the entire town is in support of their leaders. This isn't scandal mongering, this is documenting the fact that this town supports the extermination of Liberals and a full Civil War, with all that entails. They want to threaten OUR families, when they start shooting, THEIR families will NOT be exempt. I say gas the lot of them. Until then, this town needs documented. It already is in certain circles (DOD). 74.120.133.55 (talk) 23:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Documenting this ENTIRE town's choice on the matter of Civil War, and the EXTERMINATION of Liberals, is pertinent information regarding this town. The fact that the town chose the Civil War route voids any political aspect, and makes that town a threat to the rest of the country. The police chief, town council, mayor, and all who live there threatened OUR families. What the hell do you think CIVIL WAR is? On a side note, I hope they start shooting soon, America is sick and tired of whackos like this, The

Insurrection Act makes things a LOT easier to deal with. "to suppress Insurrections", we don't even have to adhere to New START on that, we can put a full dozen W-76 loadout on each Trident D5 if used domestically to suppress Insurrection; Foreign Treaties do not apply. 74.120.133.55 (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposed addition:

Calls for Civil War in the United States of America and extermination of Liberals

Police Chief Mark Kessler has stated that he wants to exterminate "Libtards", the "Liberal Media", and Liberal elected officials. He has made youtube videos openly making assassination threats against the Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives, and the Secretary of State of the United States of America. He also has promised a Civil War in the United States of America. He is a member of the Insurrectionist group "Oathkeepers", as is the Mayor, Mary Lou Hannon. The Mayor on July 24, 2013, announced support for Kessler, and alluded that the entire Council supports him. The United States Constitution clearly states "to suppress Insurrections". Appearances are that the ENTIRE town supports Civil War and Kessler.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/23/pennsylvania-police-chief-fck-all-you-libtards-out-there-you-take-it-in-the-a/ 74.120.133.55 (talk) 00:01, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages policy determines what can and cannot be published here. The policy has been explained to you. If you want to publish this content on the Internet, I suggest that you find some other website that will accept it, because it's not going to be published here. --Orlady (talk) 04:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

We have a WHOLE TOWN threatening OUR families with EXTERMINATION and CIVIL WAR. That is noteworthy, and there are plenty of news reports on this town now. WP:NPOV in this case is being violated by omission of this DOCUMENTED FACT about Gilberton, Pennsylvania. I hold that omission is in violation of WP:NPOV. If you feel that the town of Gilberton will suddenly change it's mind, you have a loose grasp of reality, and of the long-term cumulative effect of propaganda. Gilberton is not going to get new blood. It's current population will continue to radicalize until they actually are shooting at us, at that point you will not be able to keep the truth out of Misplaced Pages. It might as well be Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Lebanon, Rwanda, or Nazified Poland or Czechoslovakia, it works the same way everywhere, especially when the radicalization is centered around the extermination of other groups. Liberals in this country are not blind, and we realize that with the cumulative nature of propaganda and the level of radicalization of the right, that this town (and so many others) keeping their promises is an inevitability. We are preparing to defend ourselves and our country, and to hold our Government responsible if they allow such towns to keep such promises instead of dropping a load of VX Gas on them when they start shooting at us (Treaties with foreign countries do not apply to "to suppress Insurrections". I wouldn't shed a tear for the people in Gilberton). Based on the FACT that the ENTIRE town of Gilberton supports CIVIL WAR, I think it is appropriate to question your loyalties and why you don't want this in the town's record? Do you understand HOW MANY people this town is threatening? I hold that WP:NPOV is being violated by keeping the proposed text off the page for this town, in fact I call WP:CENSOR on such. The text is FACT-based, and will be adequately referenced with third party major news media. The text is without POV, and simply states that the ENTIRE town is in REBELLION, and threatening well over 150 million people (more probably closer to 215 million, being the average number of people that the Tea Traitors disagree with). When a whole town supports EXTERMINATION of over half of all Americans, as well as the assassination of Elected Officials, the assassination of Cabinet Members, and that the Supreme Court of the United States of America holds no authority over it (by UNANIMOUS vote of their Town Council - I am working up a separate new section for this), it is noteworthy. Seeing that their demographic is EXTREMELY unlikely to change, I hold that the proposed addition is appropriate, and that attempts to suppress it are purely attempts to WP:CENSOR. 74.120.133.55 (talk) 00:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Again, Misplaced Pages does not exist to provide a venue for advocacy of any sort. The Internet offers plenty of places for you to post your views on this topic, but this encyclopedia article is not one of them. --Orlady (talk) 02:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow. Again, voicing support of Orlady. It appears you have no consensus to add any of this. There are numerous places on the internet where you can get a webpage at little to no cost. You'll find them thataway=====> Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:06, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh its much better on their talk page....I must concur with Orlady and Gtwfan52 as well. My intention was simple, no soap boxing for a POV that is not in any manner used to improve an articleCoal town guy (talk) 23:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's kind of hard to suppress the information now. The entire town has just been taken over by Kessler and swastika-tattooed "militia" Terrorists whose own webpage says they intend to shoot everyone who disagrees with their political views. Kessler apparently has the support of all the citizens of the town. Kessler is the leader of the Terrorist group currently (as I type this) in control of Gilberton. This looks like a case for the National Guard at this point. If PA refuses to send them in, the President should invoke the Insurrection Act. It looks to me like Kessler is trying to keep his promise of starting a Civil War. What is it with you right wingers protecting him? 74.120.133.55 (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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