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User talk:Candleabracadabra/ARCHIVE1

Having archived my talkpage (I think I did a previous archive which is somewhere out there or just in my deletion log if anyone wants to locate it...)

  • History: Long Beach bicycle path, Long Beach bike path

These articles I want to be reminded about for possible future action:Illinois Valley Community Hospital (I still think it's notable, perhaps it can at least be merged), Futuristic (rapper) (I think he's notable per substantial coverage in reliable independent sources), Alice Fryer Hall (a borderline case that probably merits at least a merge to the area where she established herself), Parillada (I am not convinced that this should remain simply a redirect, it seems to me to be notable as a distinct for of BBQ or style of BBQ), Swamp Cabbage (film) (notability is marginal but if those involved make additional films it can perhaps be worked into an article on the creator), Sam Branson (if he isn't notable he's very likely to become notable soon) and finally Wendy (webseries), that seems like it would be good to merge somewhere or at least mention in an article about corporate sponsored web films.

Colombian Cuisine

Please do not delete my information. Then I will improve the rest of the information --Theryx7 (talk) 14:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, if you look at my edits you will see that I was incorporating what you added while restoring what you deleted. You have still not explained why you have removed so many article links and images. Some of what you've added is poorly written. It's unfortunate that you aren't willing to work more collaboratively with others. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Well tell me that food is important in the article and I would add food along with my new information. The above information also had many problems.--Theryx7 (talk) 15:02, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to add an underconstruction tag at the top so people know when you are actively working on the article. I think that articles on foods and beverages of Colombian cuisine should all be linked to from that article or that article should link to a list of Colombian cuisine foods article. And article links that were lost in your editing should be added back. In addition to the couple I mentioned on your talk page (including the coffee grower's acis), butifara is another regional specialty that comes to mind. You might also look at the Category:Colombian cuisine to make sure they are included. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance. I would be happy to have a look when you are finished working it up. If you do changes section by section and explain your reasoning for changes that can also be helpful. I'm not sure why you're grouping all the photos at the bottom? Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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Charlotte

I don't really know much of anything about Charlotte, NC, but I'd be glad to help with general editing or stuff like that. Charleston, SC is my hometown, so I tend to stay pretty focused on my substantive work.ProfReader (talk)

Need diffs!

You still need to provide diffs for the AN thread. I tried to find the "snide comment" to DGG, but I couldn't. Please post them ASAP. StAnselm (talk) 01:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

John Collins House

Please see Category:All articles sourced only to NRIS; while it's reliable for a few specific pieces of information, NRIS really isn't enough by itself for an article, due especially to numerous errors that it contains. Nyttend (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I see your point but I think the bot tagging is misguided. The project can identify and work on articles sourced only to NRIS, but mass tagging doesn't seem helpful or constructive to me. Many other sources use NRIS anyway, so this approach isn't necessarily useful. Obviously articles should always contain the best and most comprehensive sources possible. We do the best we can. While the Park Service makes lots of mistakes, it is useful for the basic information and provides a good starting point. I don't understand why all the actual nominations for National Register of Historic Places aren't available online. The information in those forms is really the meat of the content and sourcing we need. Thanks for the note. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
The tagging is basically a specialised form of {{One source}}. Meanwhile, NPS is in the middle of digitising nominations (see File:NRHP nominations upload status.svg for state-by-state details), but they have thousands and thousands left to go; it's not something that they can do overnight. Of course you're right about these forms being the meat of the content, but please note that form citation is 100% different from NRIS-only articles. For one thing, NRIS gives only a few tiny facts from the nominations: when your entire stub is sourced to NRIS, either you're unable to write anything substantial about the site, so it's not really a helpful stub for anyone (but its existence produces tons of mirror pages, which Google finds, thus actually making it harder for someone to research the site), or you add tons of unsourced content. If you cite the nomination form for the site, your page won't end up getting tagged as NRIS-only, since it's citing the nomination form and may be able to have tons of additional information, and at any rate with the nomination you can provide plenty of site-specific informatioon that's not even mentioned in NRIS. Nyttend (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for raising that issue at AN. I have left 6 questions for the editor concerned at the end of discussion. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry that your articles got deleted and I'm happy to see them restored, along with your "user rights". Thank you for your contributions and your assistance to others in improving articles. Take care and have a great day. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

sorry

That was a weird edit conflict. Didn't mean to restore your comment.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:02, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, no problem. I thought I had left an edit summary noting that I just wasn't sure, but I'm not seeing it now. Anyway, we'll see what progresses in the discussion. Have a happy every day. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Your request at REFUND - Kathleen Peters

I haven't restored the history, because the 2007 version was not about the same person. The whole text was: "She is very rad and nice. She is married to <name>". JohnCD (talk) 15:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you for looking into it for me. Happy holidays. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

(2nd) Nomination of Kevin Bott for deletion

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I will have a look. Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Cite

Amy Bach, Kathryn Sikkink, Gail Buckley, Jonathon Kozol,Jim Wooten‎ and Samuel Hynes. Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)  Done by a kind editor. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:09, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Though appreciated, you might want to slow down on creating the NRHP stubs. Especially with them being unsourced, they are likely to be deleted. I stopped creating the Florida NRHP stubs a while ago for that reason. If there are sources other than the National Register, I do try to create them. If you'd like help, I'd be happy to oblige though. Especially since I visited most of the sites and got photos of them. :) Cheers! --Ebyabe - Union of Opposites ‖ 16:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I think there are almost always sources on the NRHP listed buildings, although good sources are sometimes tough to find. I have been happy to have help with those I've created articles on and have tried to include the photos you've taken. It would be great if the NRHP application docs were always available as those are very meaty. Happy Holidays. Candleabracadabra (talk) 10:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Eagles Theatre

Doncram is currently banned from NRHP topics.

Eagles Theatre was listed as the Eagles Building (104-106 West Market St.) in the Downtown Wabash Historic District nomination (also known as Wabash Marketplace, the same name as the society preserving it). The district was listed with NRIS reference number 86001678 on July 18, 1986; note the nomination form was written in 1985, probably explaining the date in Indiana Economic Digest which was a republish of an item from the Greater Fort Wayne Business Weekly, date/issue unknown. Thundersnow (talk) 15:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Eagles Theatre

  1. Gadski, Mary Ellen; Toshach, Mary; Robertson, Linda (July 31, 1985). "Downtown Wabash Historic District" (PDF). State of Indiana Department of Natural Resources. p. 14. Retrieved 2013 November 26. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  2. "Wabash Marketplace, Inc". Retrieved 2013 November 26. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  3. "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. July 9, 2010.
  4. "Honeywell Foundation acquires Eagles Theatre in Wabash". Indiana Economic Digest. 1/15/2010. Retrieved 2013 November 26. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
Interesting. Thanks. I will clarify that it is listed as part of a Historic District. Happy Holidays. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

McColloch-Weatherhogg Double House

I added the infobox (ask me how when you're done with my other recommendations) and did a bit of polishing. Assuming you've got a copy of the nomination form, you should add the author's name on that ref. You should also reword some of the text, or some folks might call it a copyright violation. See if the United Way of Allen County has a website with any info. Is it in a historic district? All told, looks pretty good. thanks. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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I noticed you've been creating a lot of articles on NRHP-listed buildings in Indiana recently. Most of your new articles don't cite any sources, don't have any categories, and appear to be based entirely on information in the National Register Information System. These articles are leaving other editors (like me) with a lot of cleanup work, and there are a number of problems with articles that only cite the NRIS; the database is error-prone, and short articles don't explain why a building is notable enough to be on the NRHP. I highly recommend that you take some more time to write and develop your articles, since you've been submitting articles 3-4 minutes apart, and cite additional sources besides the NRIS. If you need help finding additional sources, WP:NRHPHELP has a list of available sources for each state, including a link to a state database with almost all of Indiana's nomination forms. (There's also a nice tool to generate an infobox and categories for an article, though there's an implicit rule that the tool shouldn't be used to generate two-line articles based entirely on NRIS data.) TheCatalyst31 03:19, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. In my opinion a short article is better than no article. I agree the NRHP info is sometimes flawed. That's why it's helpful to get the articles started and sort out what the buildings are actually called etc. I often have to correct what's already included here. Additions and improvements are most welcome. I'm not a big fan of info boxes. I don't add categories myself and I'm sorry if that's a burden to others. Usually I do things the old fashioned way and create by hand. If there's a tool to create articles on NRHP listed properties it should be used. I don't see any reason why we don't have articles on all of them, especially when many of them have lovely photos. Happy Holidays. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:10, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
As I cull lists for improvement from Misplaced Pages rather than the list, I have to agree with unsourced or NRIS sourced articles over nothing. It is a lot easier to grow something from a stub than it is from a red link; most people add, but do not create pages after all.ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't really understand the opposition. Thanks for the message. I often try to impove existing articles. As the dispute at Crittenden Farm shows, it can be pretty thankless drudgery. Happy Holidays. Candleabracadabra (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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Request to approve my article as a separate entity

I submitted an article named 'BIIT' at Articles_for_creation/BIIT. You have added my article in the article named 'Arid Agriculture University, Rawalpindi'. The article BIIT is a separate institute and is just affiliated with 'Arid Agriculture University, Rawalpindi'. I don't want to add it in the article 'Arid Agriculture University, Rawalpindi'. Please approve it as a separate article and do not add it in any other article.Sidra456 (talk) 03:59, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

What independent sources do you have that cover the subject? For example magazine and newspaper articles? Candleabracadabra (talk) 04:21, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Crittenden Farm

Since the introduction is a summary of the rest of the article, we should generalise from the rest of the article. First off, the date isn't particularly significant by itself; you'd need to place it in more context. Very few people other than locals are aware of the township, so specifying it is excessive detail; mentioning a nearby community is entirely sufficient, and as only specialised maps show townships, people entirely unfamiliar with the area will find the community far more easily. Finally, please reread the intro I wrote: I specify that it has been named a historic site. Since even many Americans haven't heard of the Register (I learned of it by editing Misplaced Pages), a generic thing such as "historic site" is much better. Nyttend (talk) 00:27, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Which article on a site of architectural history doesn't include a date in the opening paragraphs? Which article on architecture doesn't include the location? Mentioning a nearby location is insufficient. And since every NRHP listed building is plastered with a giant NRHP infobox, it seems at least worth noting that it is so listed in the opening paragraphs.
This is an encyclopedia and it's governed by consensus. Please respect the standards we've agreed upon based on reasonable dialog. You're edits have damaged that article. If you want to add more context about the date of construction then do it. But removing the date from the opening is just weird. And arguing that we shouldn't include where something was built because "no one has heard of the place" is.. well.. idiotic. Please reconsider. Candleabracadabra (talk) 00:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Read this page and know that you have ended sensible dialogue. Nyttend (talk) 05:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Says the joker who accused me of having "unclean hands" because I asked for outside input on the issues you're disputing. Your arguments are silly. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. But there is no sensible explanation for why we shouldn't include the date a building was constructed, its most notable designations it has received identifying it as historically significant, and its actual location in the opening paragraphs of the article. So instead of slinging malformed and hypocritical attacks, why don't you reconsider your position. Your attempts to distract from the core issues won't work. You're off base on this. Instead of trying to inflame the situation, why don't you initiate an RfC or any other input gathering means to see if others share your positions that we omit the date, actual location and significance of a structure from the opening paragraphs in favor of giving a nearby location, a generalized note that it is a historic site, and no indication of when it was built. I know you won't play fair because we both know your argument is ridiculous. Plain and simple. That's not a personal attack, it's reality. Candleabracadabra (talk) 05:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Leave me alone, and stop calling my words idiotic or ridiculous. We cannot have a logical discussion when you engage in ad homines. Anything else will result in a request for sanctions. In the mean time, please remember that {{uw-unsor4}} redirects to the {{uw-vand4}} template; stop creating piles of unsourced pages. Nyttend (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
You're not listening: when someone stoops to ad homines, we cannot have a logical discussion, so I'm not going to waste the effort. I also told you to leave me alone; this means that you are not welcome at my talk page. Nyttend (talk) 17:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Why are you refusing to discuss the content in the article and continuing to make threats? I solicited outside input on the NRHP page (where you are active) and you attacked me for that. You can't just take your ball and go home. You are an admin and are expected to conduct yourself in a manner consistent with high standards. We need to resolve this. I am open to using whatever dispute resolution method you want, but let's get outside input on whether the date the building was constructed, that it is NRHP listed, and the township where it is located should be included in the opening paragraphs. I do not want to engage in an edit war and you have reverted me twice already. So now we have to resolve this in another way unless you want to change your mind about the content. Thank you for yoru assistance in getting this resolved so we can move forward. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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Grooverville Methodist Church

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I have altered it further. The content is based on a historical marker posted by a state agency. Not sure on the copyright status, but I would think itmight be public domain. At any rate I tried to use my own words while sticking to the basic facts. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:42, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Downtown Ironton Historic District

It was redirected to Ironton, Ohio. I deleted the redirect since Ironton is much bigger than one historic district in its downtown area, so it doesn't make much more sense to redirect the historic district there than it would to redirect a single building in Ironton to the article on Ironton. Redirects like that are best used for cases where a historic district encompasses all or almost all of a town; in this case, the historic district is a separate topic as Ironton is a fairly big city that includes much more than its downtown. (There are exceptions to this, but only when there's evidence supporting it.) TheCatalyst31 03:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Right now it's a redlink. If you want to create an article on it that's fine by me. But I don't see why it can't be covered in the article on the city. That article benefits from coverage of its historic district and readers benefit from being able to read about the district (as opposed to having a redlink). Candleabracadabra (talk) 03:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I found a few sources about it, so I think I'll write an article on it so there's some actual coverage of the district itself. TheCatalyst31 03:31, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay with me. I added a bit from the NRHP listing page for the county, but it's pretty generic stuff. If you look at the Ybor City article you will see that it is possible to combine the historic district in with the broader area. I would probably bold the name of the district in a combined article. The combo approach can make for a better article and serve readers well. I am okay with it being split out and prominently linked too. At least linking the districts in with the towns and cities where they are located gives some coverage instead of just a redlink. Take care. Have fun. Happy Holidays. Candleabracadabra (talk) 03:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I see not in the Ybor City article it isn't bolded because, although covered in the main article, there is also an Ybor City Historic District article. Candleabracadabra (talk) 03:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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