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::We do not list them because Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia not a ] and particularly not a ]. If you want to compile directories or add ] go to another wiki such as UK Travel Wiki on Wikia.] (]) 07:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC) ::We do not list them because Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia not a ] and particularly not a ]. If you want to compile directories or add ] go to another wiki such as UK Travel Wiki on Wikia.] (]) 07:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

:::Everything does change at some point, but still not justification for not including in an article. The ] article states she is the Britain’s head of state. At some point she will cease to be, should we delete this on the basis that at some point in the future this will change? Of course not. No doubt, there are plenty of outdated articles and when come across should be updated or deleted.

:::The ] article states that it operates ], when it has been operated by ] for the last 3 weeks. So should we throw out the baby with the bathwater, because one bit of information is slightly out of date, or fix and retain?

:::Applying the 'everything changes' logic, references to services should be deleted from this and every other bus operator article, likewise railway station and all other public transport articles. As stated before, a listing of services is standard for pieces of public transport infrastructure. It provides nowhere near enough information to enable a reader to plan a journey.

:::Have copied in the ] and ] sections. Can the relevant section that would preclude be highlighted?

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Cannot find any reference in WP:NOTGUIDE that would preclude the inclusion of services operated. Looking at articles on other pieces of transport infrastructure Clapham Junction railway station, Gatwick Airport and Port of Dover for example, it is standard to include what services are operated.

If service frequencies, times, platform numbers etc were included, ie trying to replicate a timetable, then this would likely be in breach, but to simply list the services would appear not. Astbam (talk) 01:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Since the station opened 9 years ago, there have been no changes to the routes operating via it. Last change to routes serving the area, was the introduction of route 436 in February 2003. So after 11 years with no changes, think it is fair to say the routes serving the station are stable. Astbam (talk) 06:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Everything changes at some point, I've come across ALOT of bus stations that have this info - And most service numbers that were listed no longer existed, Hence why we don't list them all anymore, Also I appreciate it may be helpful to readers but I'm 99% sure if anyone wanted to see more info on services they'd visit TFL or whatever, Cheers –Davey2010(talk) 02:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
We do not list them because Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia not a directory and particularly not a travel guide. If you want to compile directories or add original research go to another wiki such as UK Travel Wiki on Wikia.Charles (talk) 07:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Everything does change at some point, but still not justification for not including in an article. The Queen Elizabeth II article states she is the Britain’s head of state. At some point she will cease to be, should we delete this on the basis that at some point in the future this will change? Of course not. No doubt, there are plenty of outdated articles and when come across should be updated or deleted.
The Arriva Southern Counties article states that it operates route 286, when it has been operated by London Central for the last 3 weeks. So should we throw out the baby with the bathwater, because one bit of information is slightly out of date, or fix and retain?
Applying the 'everything changes' logic, references to services should be deleted from this and every other bus operator article, likewise railway station and all other public transport articles. As stated before, a listing of services is standard for pieces of public transport infrastructure. It provides nowhere near enough information to enable a reader to plan a journey.
Have copied in the WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL sections. Can the relevant section that would preclude be highlighted?

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