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::::::The Everett Stern team received a extortion fraudulent demand from a 3rd party Misplaced Pages editor. Mr. Stern immediately reported this to Misplaced Pages and law enforcement. Around the same time of this demand Ladysif placed the article for deletion. We do not know if Ladysif was part of the demand nor are we making the allegation. It is most likely coincidence and a timing issue. When we saw this COI post we automatically assumed it was the fraudulent party especially when we saw Ladysif. Again, Ladysif probably has nothing to do with it, but after reviewing Ladysif talk page we became very concerned. The staff does not know how to use Misplaced Pages or make edits appropriately and for that we apologize. As you can all imagine, Mr. Stern was extremely upset and concerned with the posts. We are not interested in legal action nor do we have anything personal against Ladysif. We just want to get this resolved. Please understand that we do not know the process or what is happening right now. On a personal note, Mr. Stern did not thank his friends and family for creating the wikipedia page. His statement is being taken out of context. He was thanking his friends and family because the wikipedia page represents the suffering and pain that he had to go through and what he resulted in accomplishing. The wikipedia page is very important not because of the campaign or the company. The page is important because it makes the sacrifice that he made worth while. We ask that the editors really read his story and what he has gone through. Please tell us what we can do to help your investigation. All of the statements are correct and sourced and the page is accurate. We have nothing to hide. Please understand by posting a COI it seriously undermines the article even though the information contained is true. Again, we are not familiar with this process but the entire staff of Tactical Rabbit and the Senate campaign are here to help alleviate any and all concerns. We understand that the editors are conducting their due diligence to make Misplaced Pages a better educational environment. Please advise us on how we can contribute. Thank you for your time and help. :::::::The Everett Stern team received a extortion fraudulent demand from a 3rd party Misplaced Pages editor. Mr. Stern immediately reported this to Misplaced Pages and law enforcement. Around the same time of this demand Ladysif placed the article for deletion. We do not know if Ladysif was part of the demand nor are we making the allegation. It is most likely coincidence and a timing issue. When we saw this COI post we automatically assumed it was the fraudulent party especially when we saw Ladysif. Again, Ladysif probably has nothing to do with it, but after reviewing Ladysif talk page we became very concerned. The staff does not know how to use Misplaced Pages or make edits appropriately and for that we apologize. As you can all imagine, Mr. Stern was extremely upset and concerned with the posts. We are not interested in legal action nor do we have anything personal against Ladysif. We just want to get this resolved. Please understand that we do not know the process or what is happening right now. On a personal note, Mr. Stern did not thank his friends and family for creating the wikipedia page. His statement is being taken out of context. He was thanking his friends and family because the wikipedia page represents the suffering and pain that he had to go through and what he resulted in accomplishing. The wikipedia page is very important not because of the campaign or the company. The page is important because it makes the sacrifice that he made worth while. We ask that the editors really read his story and what he has gone through. Please tell us what we can do to help your investigation. All of the statements are correct and sourced and the page is accurate. We have nothing to hide. Please understand by posting a COI it seriously undermines the article even though the information contained is true. Again, we are not familiar with this process but the entire staff of Tactical Rabbit and the Senate campaign are here to help alleviate any and all concerns. We understand that the editors are conducting their due diligence to make Misplaced Pages a better educational environment. Please advise us on how we can contribute. Thank you for your time and help. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::::::Furthermore, Everett Stern and the Tactical Rabbit team sincerely apologize to Ladysif. We did not mean to personally attack you. The concern was that you were part of the extortion attempt. It has become apparent that you are simply trying to do the right thing. Please understand if the extortion piece was not a factor we would not have reacted in this fashion. Please accept Mr. Stern's apology. We seriously doubt you are involved in any kind of scheme against Mr. Stern. We just wanted to make you aware the reason why this escalated so fast. Thank you for your understanding.

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I'm greatly concerned that this article is possibly being written or edited by Stern himself and/or his friends and family (see link here where he directly says so). In my opinion this falls under WP:Conflict, as neither Stern (who stands to gain from positive standings as he is running for a gov position) nor his family should be editing in his favor.Ladysif (talk) 01:24, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Possibly a bit of Search engine optimization (SEO) editing for "Tactical Rabbit" too. 220 of 14:10, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Your comments against Everett Stern are libelous and false. The article is strongly sourced and was recently upgraded status. Ladysif appears to have a negative agenda against Mr. Stern. Ladysif was cited for attacking this page before and Misplaced Pages staff were notified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.115.38 (talk) 19:01, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

This article recently received a C- status. I'm interested in seeing articles follow Misplaced Pages proper formatting and policy, and I have never "attacked" this article nor have I been "cited." I actually recommended it for improvement, and then recommended it for deletion based on the opinions of several commendable and long-term Misplaced Pages editors. I would remind you to be civil in Misplaced Pages talk pages. See WP:Civil Ladysif (talk) 21:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
I am greatly concerned that the editor Ladysif has a political agenda against the subject of this article. The article is sourced correctly and strongly. Furthermore the statement "possibly being written or edited by himself and/or his friends and family" can be said for any article. There is no proof of a WP:Conflict or Search engine optimization. Lasysif making the statement "possibly being written or edited by Stern himself and/or his friends and family" undermines the credibility of the article erroneously when the article is sourced and was recently upgraded status. Lasysif states that the subject "stands to gain from positive standings as he is running for a gov position" indicates that there is a possible political motive by Ladysif. There does not appear to be a conflict or evidence of such and the information contained in the article is properly sourced. The conflict tag should be removed as there are no factual grounds to the allegations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.115.38 (talk) 21:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Ladysif attacks the subject on her Talk Page "Honestly, apart from the HSBC scandal, he has not made national news or had any media attention, and his campaign has not been given any mainstream attention. He spends most of his time accusing people of terrorism and his website is a pay-per-use scam, more or less. You can see his attempts to draw his attention to himself here and I have reverted a couple of edits on at least pages where someone had gone in and added his "conclusions" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.115.38 (talk) 21:57, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Ladysif, on attacks Everett Stern by stating that his company is fraudulent, therefore, he is committing a crime. A conflict? Neutral? "his website is a pay-per-use scam Ladysif" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.115.38 (talk) 22:17, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Please see our policy on legal threats and consider rewording or striking your comment above. Also please understand that an argumentative attitude will not get you the positive response you are looking for. If there is an edit to the article you wish to discuss here then please do so. You should familiarize yourself with our notability guidelines particularly those on politicians, our policies on reliable sources and most importantly our policies on biographies of living persons. You also might want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages. It will help other editors follow the conversation and will improve the chance of others helping out. I know Misplaced Pages can be arcane and frustrating but even though 'anyone can edit here' everyone must follow our policies and guidelines. Thank you for your understanding. Jbh 23:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)100.14.115.38, please refrain from personal attacks, secondly DO NOT blank discussion pages on the article talk page. Ladysif is doing the right thing, and because an article is "C class" does not mean its a bad article. --CyberWarfare (talk) 23:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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The Everett Stern team received a extortion fraudulent demand from a 3rd party Misplaced Pages editor. Mr. Stern immediately reported this to Misplaced Pages and law enforcement. Around the same time of this demand Ladysif placed the article for deletion. We do not know if Ladysif was part of the demand nor are we making the allegation. It is most likely coincidence and a timing issue. When we saw this COI post we automatically assumed it was the fraudulent party especially when we saw Ladysif. Again, Ladysif probably has nothing to do with it, but after reviewing Ladysif talk page we became very concerned. The staff does not know how to use Misplaced Pages or make edits appropriately and for that we apologize. As you can all imagine, Mr. Stern was extremely upset and concerned with the posts. We are not interested in legal action nor do we have anything personal against Ladysif. We just want to get this resolved. Please understand that we do not know the process or what is happening right now. On a personal note, Mr. Stern did not thank his friends and family for creating the wikipedia page. His statement is being taken out of context. He was thanking his friends and family because the wikipedia page represents the suffering and pain that he had to go through and what he resulted in accomplishing. The wikipedia page is very important not because of the campaign or the company. The page is important because it makes the sacrifice that he made worth while. We ask that the editors really read his story and what he has gone through. Please tell us what we can do to help your investigation. All of the statements are correct and sourced and the page is accurate. We have nothing to hide. Please understand by posting a COI it seriously undermines the article even though the information contained is true. Again, we are not familiar with this process but the entire staff of Tactical Rabbit and the Senate campaign are here to help alleviate any and all concerns. We understand that the editors are conducting their due diligence to make Misplaced Pages a better educational environment. Please advise us on how we can contribute. Thank you for your time and help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.115.38 (talk) 00:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Furthermore, Everett Stern and the Tactical Rabbit team sincerely apologize to Ladysif. We did not mean to personally attack you. The concern was that you were part of the extortion attempt. It has become apparent that you are simply trying to do the right thing. Please understand if the extortion piece was not a factor we would not have reacted in this fashion. Please accept Mr. Stern's apology. We seriously doubt you are involved in any kind of scheme against Mr. Stern. We just wanted to make you aware the reason why this escalated so fast. Thank you for your understanding.
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