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A barnstar for you!

	The Minor barnstar
	Thanks for the extra towns in Turkey! Any contribution is greatly appreciated. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 03:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks man. :) --Monochrome_Monitor 03:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

WOW! You have really helped he Turkish map forward. However, there are a couple of things to remember. Firstly, you should source all edits about Kurdish control, by including the source link in the edit description. Secondly, if there is ever fighting going on in a city, you should use this icon: 80x80-lime-yellow-anim.gif This icon will change soon, because we are introducing new colors for Turkey and possibly Kurds soon. Please source edits. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Welldone. I haven't tracked you, so these compliments attesting to your continued presence here and the excellence of your contributions is refreshing news. Keep up the good work.Nishidani (talk) 16:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I was terrified of being caught as a sockpuppet and felt terrible. I just didn't want people to know my IP address when I accidentally used it. I did so recently on the turkish talk page and had to delete my comment. Ugh it spiraled downhill so I didn't edit WP for a few months, even "anonymously" (it is true that my account is a shared IP, but others barely use it). Anyway, I've tried to avoid I&P edits, I hate the conflict even though I'm still fairly passionate about it. More moderated than most though. I accept there's truth to the "other narrative" and there's truth to my narrative, but neither are the "truth". I do think Jews have more rights in Israel than WP (and the international community) recognizes, but it's no for me to be a justice warrior. I'm just a little ticked off about the Palestine 1948 war. Someone reverted my cited troop figures because they prefer their uncited version. Annoying. Anyway, I'm ranting. Yeah, the Turkey thing is pretty interesting. I hope Kurds get their freedom without a bloody Civil War. Ergodan is a dickhead.--Monochrome_Monitor 23:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I do think Jews have more rights in Israel than WP (and the international community) recognizes,

You surely don't mean that, young woman? For the sentence says that Jews in Israel have more rights than non-Jews. This may be so, but generally WP articles on Israel don't argue this, and the international community doesn't fuss over discriminations there. Your error was to use Israel as a synonym for Land of Israel, and affirm that in your view settlers have more rights in the West Bank than WP and the International Community are willing to allow. This is certainly true, but again it is probably not what you intended to say (=Jews have more rights to the land than do Palestinians). Be careful, and, of course, take care in the more normal sense of the idiom.Nishidani (talk) 19:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I meant "more rights to Israel". Semantics. You know what I meant. I didn't mean more rights than Palestinian Arabs, but more rights than some Christian Swedish guy? Hell yes. Anyway, I'm majoring in Physics, not English. --Monochrome_Monitor 20:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, you changed your edit. Cause even with the words "in Israel" it didn't mean what you wrote originally. Regardless, thanks for the Barnstar! --Monochrome_Monitor 20:03, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Words mean more than what we think they mean when we write them at first draft. I've read pretty widely here. Of course there are Israel-deniers, a lunatic fringe, but as Norman Finkelstein says, deny Israel and you are denying 'international law' and lose all credibility. No person in his right (or left)mind denies Israel, because to deny an historical, perfectly legal national reality is an indication of mental problems. Neither the international community nor Misplaced Pages articles deny 'Israel'. This whole absurd ruckus is what Israel does outside Israel, that is where 99% of the contention arises. As to majoring in physics, not English, a suggestion. Read Edgar Allan Poe's Eureka and list how many startling anticipations he makes of modern physics! Cheers Nishidani (talk) 21:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I hate his disgusting book about how Jews exploit the Holocaust for money, but I appreciate his relative moderation. Will read. I love Poe. --Monochrome_Monitor 21:03, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

The Eureka-Modern physics connection is mentioned in an article in the New York Review of Books recently. Finkelstein doesn't talk of 'Jews' exploiting the Holocaust: the book analyses small groups using the Holocaust for polemical leverage or to extract huge sums which never went back to Holocaust survivors (the situation in Israel is a disgrace, even if the figures in this report are rubbery. Finkelstein's numbers are far lower), It's a personal and legitimate grievance. His mother got a lousy $3,000 dollars from the Swiss Bank money, whereas his father, for technical reasons, got a regular generous pension as recompense for his identical sufferings, because it was disbursed directly by the German government, without professional intermediaries interfering. His complaint is that monies due to aged survivors were put in escrow, huge retainer fees collected, and little of what was due to them was disbursed. Anyway, let's not talk of that. I hope the Eureka read stimulates your studies. Regards Nishidani (talk) 21:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

You got it. I don't know about the actual book, just how it was exploited by neo-nazis... And the many reviews which called it nazi-esque. --Monochrome_Monitor 21:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

But I'm done talking now. Thanks again!

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	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Your work on the Turkish map really is tireless. I had expected I would be one of the only people working on the map, as it is a truly underreported conflict at the moment, but here you are making the map great. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! That makes me feel fantastic. Sorry about all the edits, It sucks that there's no "preview" function, so I have to use trial and error. --Monochrome_Monitor 22:20, 24 August 2015 (UTC) I think I'll add border crossings.

Turkish Map General Statements

First, the border crossings need to be placed under the dots of control of the border crossings. This is the visual style implemented on all other maps. To do this, simply place the border crossing icon before the control icon on the module, and it will appear correctly.

Second, the carte interactive de Kurdistan cannot be used. In general, we can't use other maps to edit this map, as it is unencyclopedic.

Third, the lime color was chosen to avoid confusion with the Syrian and Iraqi governments. Sunni government groups should, in general, be shown as green. André437 is making darker green icons for our use on this map, and they should be ready soon.

Fourth, cities and towns should be size-marked based on an average of 2 factors: geographical size and population density. On the Syria map, I typically mark a village with 100 houses bigger than a 40 house village of the same geographic size. So both population and size are factors.

Fifth, we're going to use the yellow color for both PKK azd "declared autonomy". In most cases, these are actually pretty close to the same thing, just a difference of branding. This may change in the future, if more groups appear/infighting occurs.

So far you have done an excellent job on the map. Keep going, and just post on my talk page if you have any questions; that's how I'll get the message quickest. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing. --Monochrome_Monitor 21:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks again for the barnstar. Comes with rotating action!--Monochrome_Monitor 07:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Criticism of the Israeli government

Hello, the removal of two entire sections in that article is unacceptable.--Makeandtoss (talk) 20:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

One section I removed was criticism of criticism. It was horribly redundant and eclipsed the rest of the article. The other section on Nazism was perfectly justified, as it is both a WP:FRINGE and a highly racist view. You aren't exactly a nuetral arbiter of what is acceptable, considering your edit history on the article. --Monochrome_Monitor 20:44, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I only add referenced content, I am not making anything up. You could have rewritten it into a less 'racist' view, I see no use in removing it. And no its not WP:FRINGE, it has been broadly mentioned in several sources. Also I fail to see how my edit history is relevant, that content was already there, I just extended it. --Makeandtoss (talk) 20:50, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

The section is just unprecedented. Just because you have quotes saying it doesn't mean it's worth wikipedia coverage. There are quotes saying all sorts of ridiculous things, but they aren't reliable. The Nazi-Israel analogy is considered antisemitic by The State Department and the EU, not just one Jewish group. --Monochrome_Monitor 21:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

So? Even if the EU and USA consider it antisemitism, how does that make any difference? The US Department list contains several other examples, why don't I see you removing their content on their respective wikipedia articles?--Makeandtoss (talk) 21:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

That's a fallacy. I would remove it if it were truly egregious, and this is. --Monochrome_Monitor 21:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Its not a fallacy. Discussing antisemitism is not antisemitism.--Makeandtoss (talk) 21:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Obviously it isn't. But the section isn't discussing it, it's presenting it as a legitimate view rather than one considered by many as racist. --Monochrome_Monitor 21:42, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

My point was that you should have rearranged it into a legitimate view instead of erasing it.--Makeandtoss (talk) 21:47, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't want conflict. It's really quite simple. The article should be about criticism of Israel, not libels considered to be antisemitic. It undermines the actual criticism on the rest of the page. --Monochrome_Monitor 22:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

It is simple. This is about criticism of Israel, scholars have criticized Israel's policy through the several resemblances to Nazi Germany. There is no WP:ANTISEMETIC. I too, don't want to engage on this. I am sorry but I will be re-adding that content shortly, its not your decision to make.--Makeandtoss (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

No, scholars haven't. Pundits have. Please find me one reliable source which has made the comparison. And by reliable I mean a source by a historian familiar with Nazi Germany. --Monochrome_Monitor 22:33, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I didn't delete it because it's antisemitic. I deleted it because It's fringe, and given undue prominence. --Monochrome_Monitor 22:34, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

A quick internet search on Norman Finkelstein a prominent Jewish scholar (so that you don't give me that antisemitic nonsense, I hope you don't say he's is a self-hating Jew) here here here here. I am sorry, I will no longer answer here.--Makeandtoss (talk) 23:30, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

He's not a prominent Jewish scholar. His work is highly controversial and was described in a new york times review as anti-semitic. Also, his field of expertise is not Nazism. --Monochrome_Monitor 00:03, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

ARGH he is a goddamned Jew, how on earth can he be anti-semetic? oh lala New York times, all hail the New York Bible. I am so done here, I have an allergy to BS.--Makeandtoss (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

They called the book antisemitic, not him. Look, I'll restore the section. --Monochrome_Monitor 00:07, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, great you already restored it. Isn't that fantastic. Now the integrity of the entire page is compromised..--Monochrome_Monitor 00:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Reminder: This article is under WP:1RR. I've fully protected it for a period to avoid blocking you both. Makeandtoss has also been warned on my talk page. --NeilN 21:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! --Monochrome_Monitor 21:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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Olivier

Please stop removing cited material from the article. If you think such material should not be there, the best course of action is to go to the talk page to discuss it. - SchroCat (talk) 08:45, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you on that, but I still don't understand why you wouldn't respond to me on your talk page. --Monochrome_Monitor 12:14, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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Alright then. --Monochrome_Monitor 16:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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The Scarlet Letter (1926 film)

Hi. You can't use IMDB's trivia section as a source, please see WP:CITEIMDB. Thanks. Lugnuts 15:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC) Oh, that makes sense. Thanks. --Monochrome_Monitor 15:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

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It's a long-running thing. Check the talk page. I removed it because it's WP:FRINGE and WP:BLATANTLY RACIST. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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Block

Hello there @NeilN:. I understand why I was blocked but your "sentence" seems heavy-handed. I mean, I can't edit talkpages. Also, 99% of my edits are not Arab-Israeli whatever. Can you just block me from Arab-Israeli for a week and not every article? --Monochrome_Monitor 19:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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That's ridiculous. Most of my edits have nothing to do with the subject. Just look at my contribution history. As of late it's mostly been stuff about silent film and pre-war Broadway. It would make more sense to ban me from ARBPIA for a fortnight than everything for a week. --Monochrome_Monitor 22:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

The fact you are advising on areas where you should be blocked, indicates your acknowledgement that perhaps a block is for the best. Sit it out and learn from it. Cassianto 23:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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I wont my friend. Thank you! --Monochrome_Monitor 23:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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