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	== Personal attacks: please remove ==

	JPL, at ], you have posted a series of personal attacks on me, including a series of allegations of religious bigotry. Please remove them, in full, or I will take this further. --] <small>] • (])</small> 03:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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Albanians vs Ethnic Albanians

Hi Johnpacklambert,

Since we have been involved in an interesting topic, I'd like to jump ahead and avoid any unnecessary edit warring.
The relations between ethnicity/national identity/and citizenship in the Balkans are far more complicated than let's say Switzerland or US where citizenship and nationality is the same thing, and ethnicity is not a base for building a national identity.
Albanians are a nation, more than just an ethnicity. It happens that almost half of them live in the country called Republic of Albania, but that doesn't mean that "Albanian" is defined by "citizen of Albania". The national identity is larger. You can't be an ethnic-Albanian mathematician, you are Albanian or you're not.

In case of Eshref Ademaj, we could say "...a Kosovar Albanian mathematician...", or "...a Kosovar mathematician..." and describe the ethnicity down below. But you can't tag him as "Ethnic Albanian mathematician". Who would be the non-ethnic Albanians in that case?

Regards --Mondiad (talk) 03:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Ethnic Albanian is a designation for those who are not nationals of Albania. The categories like Category:Albanian mathematicians are meant to be limited to those who are nationals of Albania. They are not meant to capture everyone who is ethnically Albanian.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC
- Define "nationals of Albania" ? --15:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
  - Nationals of Albania are those who reside in Albania and have standing connected to that country.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

If I care to friendly intrude:

Ethnic Albanian is not "a designation for those who are not nationals of Albania". Nationals of Albania can also be stemming from the Albanian ethnicity.
Nationals of Albania are not "those who reside in Albania and have standing connected to that country". A national of a country is someone holding the citizenship of that country, wherever they reside.

Therefore, I think that adding the word ethnic in articles introduction and categories is not the right way to do it, as was explained to you (Johnpacklambert) here. Misplaced Pages has plenty of categories regarding ethnicity which you are invited to use, such as Kosovar Albanians and People of Albanian descent and their subcategories. Also, assigning someone (especially a BLP) to an ethnicity, or even a citizenship, must always be supported by a source and mentioned in the body of the article. Place Clichy (talk) 15:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC) Natinal isnot the same thing as citizenship. At times tgere are nationals who are not citizens. Beyound that ethnic Albanians in Kosovo are neither nationals or citizens of Albania. They are people who are by Ethnicity Albania but not part of the nation of Albania, any more then Armenians in Lebanon are part of the citizenship of Armenia. In both cases their identification with the ethnicity predates the modern natiin state. Also in both cases it is not related to migration out of a given area but a complex process of ethnic identity. A person of Albanian ethnicity living in Kosovo is by nationality only Kosovoan. A person of Armenian ethnicity living in Lebanon is by nationality only Lebenese. The factors that make an Armenian in Lebanon Armenian are the same that make a Jew in Britain a Jew. So in the case of the Armenian we have ambiguous meanings. We have chosen to use Aarmenian to designate a nationality not an ethno-linguistic group. This means we need some disambiguated term for those not such by nationality. The same applies for Greeks and Albanians. Terms that are ambiguos need to be made not so. People need to stop empying these categories out of process and bring them to a real discussion if they disagree with them. However The fact is that by nationality categories have long incorporated all permanent residents of a place without regard to citizenship. On the other hand they need to avoid merging unlike things that have the same name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2015 (UTC) Let me explain this another way if in 1 week Kurdistan became independent that would not change a writer who was Kurdish who died 10 years ago into a Kurdish writer by nationality. We would have to split the Kurdish writers category into one by ethnicity and one by nationality.

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I don't think that you can claim the portage was established in 1778. In the history section it says that Aboriginal peoples were using it and guided Peter Pond to it in 1778 and that is sourced. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 05:10, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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In regard to Joseph M. Acaba, you added "American expatriates in the Dominican Republic". I am curious, what justifies the addition of this category on his article? Do you have any sources to back-up the justification of the addition of this category? Tony the Marine (talk) 20:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

The article itself states that Acaba was in the Domincan Republic for two years with the peace corps.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:16, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hanover

Hi Johnpacklambert, I just noticed you created Category:Establishments in Hanover by year and I created Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Hanover by year and I wondered which one you think was better. Tim! (talk) 10:41, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks I'll combine them together. Tim! (talk) 09:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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I am concerned about a statement on your user page, namely "This user supports man/woman marriage as the definition needed to protect the integrity of the family, preserve the true meaning of marriage, and keep it as a child-focused institution". I believe this violates WP:UPNOT and also WP:SOAP. For example, WP:UPNOT states "There is broad agreement that you may not include in your user space material that is likely to bring the project into disrepute, or which is likely to give widespread offence". WP:UP#POLEMIC says "Polemical statements unrelated to Misplaced Pages, or statements attacking or vilifying groups of editors, persons, or other entities (these are generally considered divisive and removed, and reintroducing them is often considered disruptive". Could you tell me whether you think it is appropriate to include such divisive and offensive statements on your userpage? AusLondonder (talk) 07:41, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

It is in no way an attack on anyone to stad for the definition of marriage that has prevailed throughout history. Considering that peoe can proclaim radical support for the LGBT movement I see nothing wrong with my statements. Your attempts at political correctness would destroy the effectiveness of Misplaced Pages. My statements are far less soapboxing than your one sided characterization of the Kim Davis issue which ignores conscince rights. Unlike you I have not engaged in personalized attacks on others on my accout page. There is nothing wrong with proclaiming a consistent understanding of marriage based on well reasoned philosophy and unless you have read What is marriage: Man, Woman a defense I question if you have ever grappled with the philosophy involved.20thJohn Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Considering your assumltion that those accused of racism, sexism and related frowned upon behaviors are probably guilty I see no reason to give head to anything you say especially your attempts to attack my attempt to clearly articulate my views as a polemic when it is clearly not such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

"Political correctness" is irrelevant here. Misplaced Pages user pages are not the place to fight "political correctness". I did not criticise Kim Davis as a person. I criticised the ludicrous over-coverage on Misplaced Pages. My statements on the matter are related to my views on Misplaced Pages process and acceptable per WP:UPYES which states "Non-article Misplaced Pages material such as reasonable Misplaced Pages humour, essays and perspectives, personal philosophy, comments on Misplaced Pages matters" is acceptable and also "thoughts on Misplaced Pages articles or policies and how they should be changed, etc." I am not soapboxing. Your comments have nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. What personal attacks have I made? I encourage you to remove the statement as it is clearly divisive, brings Misplaced Pages into disrepute and attacks groups of editors and persons. AusLondonder (talk) 21:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

My statement attacks no one. If speaking the truth is divisive so be it. If having editors that support man/woman marriage brings Misplaced Pages into disrepute than no wonder there is under coverage of the global south. Beyond that you did attack Kim Davis. Your characterization of her actions is extremely one sided. Your brand of assuming guilt is what we do not need on Misplaced Pages.

I will not back down from my support of man/woman marriage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

You have now added more divisive and polemical comments and are refusing to address legitimate concerns about your failure to follow widely-accepted policy. Furthermore, several countries in the Global South, namely Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, New Caledonia, French Guyana and South Africa allow same-sex marriage so your characterisation is wrong. Vietnam also allows same-sex marriage ceremonies. Thailand's former government intended to legalise same-sex marriage prior to the military coup. So to suggest opposition to same-sex marriage is a greater issue in the Global South in comparison with Utah or Alabama is plainly false. Your statement clearly attacks LGB+ editors. Again, I did not attack Kim Davis. I attacked the over-coverage of the so-called religious freedom "crisis" AusLondonder (talk) 05:47, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

My statement makes no attack on LGBT editors. My statement is grounded in fundamental understanding of what marriage is about and the importance of outward forms. Broad forms do not have to do with individual people and their goals. It is about the purpose and goals of marriage and redefining marriage changes those purposes and goals and thus the social goods the institution imparts and the docial goals it advances. Stating such is an attack on no one.John Pack Lambert (talk)

Yet another example of User:AusLondonder's uncollegial WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

In the hope that this editor will learn how to WP:AGF and be collegial, I am now posting examples of his WP:BATTLEGROUND edits and behavior on his talk page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:56, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Latin Rite Catholic Church (splinter group)

The article Latin Rite Catholic Church (splinter group) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable religious group/organisation. No citations... Did a good faith search, and no RS could be found to establish notability, including even passing mentions.

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Hello! Thought I'd stop by and elaborate on the PROD as a courtesy. I did actually do a good faith search and most everything I found were forum discussions, and self-published materials (as well as pro-Shuckardt material). Which is pretty par for the course regarding many of these organisations. Nothing that would pass muster on WP:RS/N, let alone a couple in-depth reliable source that were more than passing mentions. It's unfortunate, but I don't think the church meets the org notability requirement, hence the PROD over AfD. On the other hand, I think Chicoine is notable, and it's definitely possible to incorporate some of the self-pub material (for non-controversial claims) in his article. Honestly, the article is long overdue for some NPOV cleanup, which I plan on starting tomorrow- feel free to pitch in if you feel so inclined. :) Quinto Simmaco (talk) 06:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Valid ref. links to undelete 'Anandmurti Gurumaa' page

Dear Johnpacklambert,

This is the reference to the wikipedia page of Anandmurti gurumaa" which has recently been deleted following the deletion debate at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anandmurti_Gurumaa . I had requested to resume this page,in response to which I have been directed to contact you (https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#anandmurti_gurumaa). I would like to bring to your kind notice that the reason mentioned in the debate is lack of independent resources and dead links, whereas lot of sources and independent links exist featuring work of Anandmurti gurumaa as a renowned Indian spiritual master. Moreover these reliable links belong to national newspapers like Times of India, DNA, The Hindu, India today, Amar Ujala etc.

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References

John Amaechi

I'm sure there's a good reason why you removed a dozen categories from the article. Would you care to share it? Thank you. — MShabazz /_Stalk 16:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Amaechi was born in the US, but he is by no definition American. He was raised in the UK, and neither of his parents were American. He did spend later times in the US, but this does not make him American either. So he should not be in categories related to being American because he isn't, nor should he be in categories for being from Massachusetts, since he left there too soon after his birth to be categorized by such an association.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. That makes sense. Do you mind if I put him back in LGBT basketball players, which you seem to have removed in error? — MShabazz /_Stalk 16:56, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
  - I did not notice I did that, so I have no objection.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Colleen Later

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Article On Ishraq Khan

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Just curious

What's your percentage of !voting "keep" at AfD? Just wondering. Montanabw 17:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I vote based on the situation at hand. I have no idea what my percentage is.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:49, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- Well, I've not seen you vote "keep" on anything, but I might have missed something. Montanabw 04:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
  - FYI. --NeilN 04:54, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of F. Enzio Busche

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Cornelius Johnson

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