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10:19, 2 September 2015‎

He's back -- the man behind the mask ...

... and no one cared who he was until he put on the mask.

(This is Hijiri88, by the way. Posting this logged out because I'm pretty sure he's monitoring my logged-in edits. I probably should have removed his comment while logged out as well, but what can you do.)

106.133.164.1 (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Sanction notification

Thank you for the notification. Sort of important for editors new to the area. I was informally informed about it, had to look it up, and was wondering why I didn't get a notification. Otr500 (talk) 23:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

You're most welcome! Bishonen | talk 15:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC).

User page protection request

Bishonen, I seem to have annoyed an IP hopper. Would you please semi User:Jbhunley. If there is an easy way to do it for the whole User:Jbhunley/ tree that would be even better since they went after many pages. If you have to do it manually though, do not bother with it. Thank you! Jbh 01:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

PS that tilted TOC is cool - makes my eyes cross, but still cool. Jbh 01:03, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

I've semi'd your userpage indefinitely, Jbhunley — it hardly seems likely an IP would ever have any business editing it. But this is very annoying... I did mass protect my own pages about a year ago, when I had a determined personal harasser. But I can't remember how. Anybody? @Writ Keeper, MusikAnimal, and Materialscientist:? Hehe, I love the tilt, but it's getting a bit long — maybe I should archive. Some day, you know. Bishonen | talk 15:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC).

There should be a 'semiprotect all' button at Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jbhunley/ https://i.imgur.com/XwzDXNi.png - NQ (talk) 15:53, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Yup, I've already pushed it. I was gonna say, I distinctly remember writing that script. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:57, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Bishonen, Writ Keeper - Thank you! Jbh 17:16, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

You can also use Twinkle to mass-protect, on the same Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jbhunley/ use TW > P-Batch — MusikAnimal 17:23, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Must you suck the fun out of *everything*? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

In seriousness, though, I don't actually see a TW tab on Special:PrefixIndex. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

I didn't either. Thought it was just for admin eyes only. - NQ (talk) 19:05, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

And there we are. Thanks very much, all. Writty, I was pretty sure it was your script, I think you may actually have written it because I needed it. (You're such a good guy. Please run for ArbCom!) I just didn't remember how to use it. I wonder if this brilliant note I've made on my page will help next time. Unlikely, I suppose. Bishonen | talk 19:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC).

Arbcom. Yeah, that's what we need. Speaking of sucking the fun out of everything...Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:11, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't see a Twinkle tab on those pages either, MusikAnimal. Does it need to be, uh, activated somewhere in my prefs? Bishonen | talk 10:52, 21 October 2016 (UTC).

Really? I see "P-Batch" and "D-batch", both admin functions so yes, the tab would only be visible at all for admins. Special:PrefixIndex is the primary use-case for these features. If you don't see them, then this must be a bug... :( Could one of you, Writ Keeper perhaps since you are a developer, take a look at your JS console and see if there are any errors? See WP:JSERROR for those who need instructions — MusikAnimal 16:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I reckon the Zilla has desysopped Bishonen! Wow! _Muffled 16:41, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look later today. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I asked some other admins on IRC and they said they see the Twinkle menu at Special:PrefixIndex. I tried on both Vector and Monobook. Mass delete/protect are arguably the most powerful admin features, so I really want to figure this out :) Thank you! — MusikAnimal 21:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

No errors (only warnings), appears in Vector but not Monobook. Dunno what's different about our monobook vs. yours, though, if you've tried it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:10, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

In Monobook, Twinkle options should show up as links along the top, not as a dropdown menu (sorry I thought maybe this was implied). So next to "special page" you should see "d-batch" and "p-batch" (screenshot). Do you not? — MusikAnimal 03:12, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

No, I see your screenshot, but there's nothing there next to "special page" in my Monobook. (Vector? Who uses Vector?) Except "semiprotect all", which would be Writty's script. Bishonen | talk 03:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC). P.S. Could that possibly be the problem? That the Twinkle links are sort of masked by "semiprotect all"? Do you want to see a screenshot, MusikAnimal? I could e-mail it to you. Bishonen | talk 10:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

Could you add the following code to your common.js and see if the tab shows up on Special:PrefixIndex/User:Bishonen? mw.loader.using(, function() { if (mw.config.get( 'wgCanonicalSpecialPageName' ) === 'Prefixindex') {Twinkle.addPortletLink( Twinkle.batchprotect.callback, "P-batch", "tw-pbatch", "Protect pages linked from this page" );}}); - NQ (talk) 11:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Add that code? I suppose I could. OK, done. No, it doesn't make any difference. Thank you for trying, little NQ. Should I remove it again? Bishonen | talk 15:13, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

yes please, wouldn't want it to screw anything up. It worked for me though, so not sure what's wrong. 84 (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

(←) I am so lost... I set my personal JS to be the same as yours, Bishonen, and I still see the links (the P-batch link I see twice, because of NQ's script that you added). I'm going to guess there's a conflicting gadget or something. Let's take this to the next level, if you don't mind... I've temporarily given you sysop rights on testwiki. At your convenience, please go to testwiki:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and enable "Twinkle debug version", then browse to testwiki:Special:Prefixindex and let me know if you see the links. Thanks so much for your help! I worry this isn't working for a lot of people — MusikAnimal 19:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I got as far as enabling "Twinkle debug version", but then when I click on your testwiki:Special:Prefixindex link, I only get a generic page, without any pages listed on it. Unsurprisingly, I didn't see any Twinkle links, because there was nothing there for them to refer to (no pages to batch protect or similar). So I tried looking for pages with your name as the prefix — obviously, I myself don't have anything in my userspace on that wiki — and got a little list. With still no Twinkle links. I've e-mailed you a screenshot of what I see.

And you have replied — I didn't realize I was using Vector on the testwiki, so I looked for the links to the right of "Special page"... sigh... OK, hang on while I just change the skin. Bishonen | talk 20:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

• Yes, it works in Monobook too on the test wiki, I see the links where I expect them. But I can't do the same in my usual prefs, can I? There's no Twinkle debug version there. So, are you going to fix it for all of us? I'm really glad this came up, you know. There's some more Twinkle links I've never been able to find, that I know other people rejoice in — perhaps those will miraculously turn up, too, once this is fixed ("debugged"). Bishonen | talk 20:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

Oh no, you've already desysopped me! Bad MusikAnimal! Bishonen | talk 20:30, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

Hehe, I love to break rules but the testwiki folks insist sysop powers are for development purposes only. Anyway, yay! We know the issue is not Twinkle by itself :) I'm convinced it must be a conflicting gadget. Could you email me your list of gadgets (take a screenshot, I guess)? What other Twinkle options are missing for you?Also, I did some SQL queries about skin usage, and of all the users who have modified some sort of setting (so probably most users who were active at some point, and not throwaway accounts/socks), around 2.1 million use Monobook, ~86,000 use Cologne Blue, ~79,000 use Modern, and 8.9 million use Vector :) Vector is the default these days, so it makes sense it's the most popular — MusikAnimal 20:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

little NQ has cracked it ! @Bish @MusikAnimal: @Writ Keeper: Have a looksy at User:Writ Keeper/monobook.css and User:Bishonen/monobook.css. Spot what's hidden! ;) 84 (talk) 20:55, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Haha!! Well that explains it! The Twinkle settings you mysteriously are missing you explicitly have hidden! Wow. Thanks NQ! I'm going to guess Writ Keeper told you to do this, Bishonen? Writ I've just about had enough of you :) — MusikAnimal 20:58, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

The CSS should have been one of the first places I checked. So angry at myself >:( — MusikAnimal 21:01, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

No, I don't think it was Writ, even though there's some overlap with his choices... I think I did it on my own, because I'm pretty clever, you know.. full of technical initiative! Can I be a developer, please? Peering into the past, I think the line of links got too long and the ones I really wanted disappeared to the right on my tablet, and there was no using them. I'll just unhide the lot, because I can't be arsed to use the damn tablet these days anyway. I like to use Bishzilla's ten-acre desktop monitor, which has lots of room for little links. Sorry I'm so forgetful, Musik. Thank you little NQ! Bishonen | talk 22:20, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

Calling a living person/scholar a nut on wikipedia pages, BLP issues?

Hi @Bish: See this. Isn't calling a living person "a nut"/etc, making personal attacks on a living human being, or other defamation of living person(s) on wikipedia pages inappropriate and unacceptable? That is a few weeks old comment, in an article I did not follow nor read in the past. The comment is still live, so just a note of admin clarification / caution may suffice. If inappropriate should it be deleted or stricken off? Thanks, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:56, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Depends. Some times you feel like a nut (Almond Joy), some times you don't (Mounds (candy)). Jehochman 03:36, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

LOL. @Bish's talk page is the place to be: Horses, flowers, starry nights, Almond joy and :-)s. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

• Hi, Ms Sarah. I've removed the opprobrious remark and had a word with the user. Jehochman is a right nutter, btw. Bishonen | talk 10:47, 21 October 2016 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	What a fine idea...to have an image appear to those who edit your talk page. Such a fine first picture too...quite contemplative! MONGO 04:58, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you for bright bulb little user. Illumination in murky autumnal home most timely! (Thickest cloudcover ever today.) Hmm. Has another bright idea: how about I add this to carousel too, for a surprise item? I see it's currently being used on the Russian Wiktionary, besides your award. Trying to figure out what the illustrated word can be... no luck. Anybody? Does человекообразность mean Bigfoot? Or Hairy Shakespeare? Bishonen | talk 08:47, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

Google translate says it means "people imagery". Huh. Like, folk art? Bishonen | talk 08:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

Acording to my dictionary the root word (человекообраз-) means anthropomorphous. With a gendered suffix it is anthropoid. -ност collectivizes a noun so I would say things like Furries would be a good fit. Jbh 12:28, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

So the image is supposed to be Shakespeare roleplaying in in furry fandom..? Sure, why not, and I'm glad to see it travel, though it's hardly what User:Penyulap had in mind when he kindly created it on request from Bishzilla. Originally, it represents MONGO as the Hairy Shakespeare of the Woods, warbling his native woodnotes in all those featured and hairy and leafy National Park articles.. Bishonen | talk 15:31, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

As is not uncommon, woodland realm has few opportunities for MONGO to edit. Hoping problem rectified soon. Nevertheless those Rooskies need be wary of the potential costs to both limb and eyeball (vodka martini with eyeball garnish my favorite) should they misuse my likeness in a nefarious manner.--MONGO 16:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

RexxS is quite the fine technical user person. Thank goodness he's on our side and not that of those dastardly Rooskies.--MONGO 16:37, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Now lightning! MONGO excited!--MONGO 03:50, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

So...pictures must do auto update. MONGO unable to understand such fine complexity...--MONGO 03:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Every twelve hours, little MONGO. That's the cleverness of young RexxS. But I only gave him nine pics to alternate between. I wonder if I could put in a few more here? I can see where the image names are, so probably wouldn't need to understand the complexity. What say, RexxS? Would you rather I not mess ignorantly with module? Bishonen | talk 10:17, 29 October 2016 (UTC).

Wecarlisle AE

Pinging Mandruss too.

For future reference, would ANI be a better venue for matters like this? Since it was related to ARBAP2, I thought AE was the only venue I could take that.

And I agree, the warning to report time gap was not ideal. But the disruption was blatant and repeated so I thought it needed addressing. Between the edit notices and the edit summaries by reverters and the user themself, it seemed that they knew about the DS and ignored them.

Just wondering what the ideal way to handle such things would be for the future (esp. as we get closer to the election in the USA). Cheers! EvergreenFir (talk) 12:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, EvergreenFir. Yes, IMO either ANI or AN3 would have been better in this case. There was ongoing disruption, so it was urgent. Discretionary sanctions are more for persistent problems, and they only start to "count", so to speak, after a user has been alerted to them. The user had been persistent enough, but mainly before your alert, so s/he wasn't ready to be sanctioned per DS. Giving the user a DS alert was a good idea, but there was nothing preventing you from then using other venues. DS are meant to make it easier, not harder, to stem disruption in sensitive areas. (The cumbersome way they're sometimes used can make one wonder, I know.) They should never prevent anybody from using other venues, or approaching an admin individually, or whatever. As for the ideal way for the future: well, considering these interesting times, why not hand out a few DS alerts for American politics preemptively, where you think they may do some good? (Not a whole shower, as that might be frowned on.) They make it easier for admins to act down the line. The alerts are not accusations — you see where it says "It does not imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date", bolding in original — and people don't really have any reason to take umbrage at them. Especially not if you make a point of templating folk on different sides of the, uh, great divide. Bishonen | talk 15:05, 28 October 2016 (UTC).

That makes sense. I was always a bit unclear if you had to go to AE to get an active sanction addressed or not. I'll go to ANI or AN3 (the latter of which can be a bit slow too) in the future. I appreciate you explaining too. That does help. :) EvergreenFir (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

— and people don't really have any reason to take umbrage at them, which is not to say that they won't. :D ―Mandruss ☎ 16:47, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

It's funny, Mandruss, but I had originally written a parenthetic "(though they do)" to EF, but I thought "too many parentheses, you talk too much, Bishonen" and zapped it. Indeed they will. I nearly fainted when a new user actually thanked me for his DS alert, in the section "Sanction notification" above: "I was wondering why I didn't get a notification". Very nice. Bishonen | talk 17:00, 28 October 2016 (UTC).

In my experience a majority will see it as a confrontation, if not attack, regardless of the fine print. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:06, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

@Bishonen: Remember that time- can't find it off the top of my head- where, for a particularly tendentious editor, it said "This does imply misconduct regarding your own conduct." Classic! _Muffled 17:11, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Hehe. That must have been Darwinbish. I don't remember where it was either. Bishonen | talk 19:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC).

A cookie for you!

Good block there. GAB 00:11, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

• . Mmm, pretty nice! Bishonen | talk 02:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC).