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Moldovan business

Part 1

It appears that User:Node_ue is back with a self-initiated vote to become sysadmin on the much contested Moldovan wikipedia. This, to me, goes against the conclusions of the discussion that took place some time ago, and which was that we should leave mo.wiki closed until some moldovan comes to use it. Not meaning to be alarmist, but it's better to stop this maniac until he re-opens the mo.wiki (half-closing it was really difficult). Dpotop 07:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

So, do we just vote there or what? Dahn 08:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't answer. I just noticed that I'm not qualified. Anyway: what's the deal with that crap version? Does it still exist? Dahn 08:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does exist. Node_ue managed to spread enough FUD for the admins on wikipedia-l to be unable to take a clear decision. The conclusion was that mo.wiki should remain freezed until a real Moldovan wants it. But, of course, today mo.wiki is a playground where Node_ue and Bonaparte (and their clones) are building and destroying sand castles. Dpotop 09:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the word you're looking for is trolling, not FUD. :-) bogdan 22:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, I have nominated it (heh, again) for closure: http://meta.wikimedia.org/Proposals_for_closing_projects#Closure_of_Moldovan_Wikipedia bogdan 22:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I really hope this will be the end of it. TSO1D 23:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, suddenly there are many Russians there, voting to keep the mo.wiki, seems Node has done some recruiting... Anclation 12:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course. Node_ue brought them. To use an old Romanian saying "this guy is like scabies, it's difficult to get rid of." Dpotop 13:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

He sure did:

"Hi, sorry to write in English, but I don't know Russian. I am writing here to alert all Russian Wikipedians to the attempt by a group of Romanian nationalists to close the Moldovan Misplaced Pages, an active Misplaced Pages with over 300 articles which is growing rapidly, simply because they don't like the Cyrillic script. They have resorted to lies and slander, including saying that the Misplaced Pages has no community, and that it is inactive. Please vote here on the future of the Moldovan Misplaced Pages. ALso, I will appreciate it greatly if someone trnaslates this post to Russian. Thank you. --Node ue" on their forum. TSO1D 19:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there some wikipedia rule against this? Because he's basically telling lies there, in order to make us fight each other. Dpotop 20:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

There's a policy called Misplaced Pages:Survey notification, but it's only proposed and IMO it will probably fail. —Khoikhoi 20:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

In any case, he doesn't have an account on Ru where the possible transgression took place. And Meta would not punish him for those actions. I only hope that his conduct will be taken into consideration in considering the validity of the vote. TSO1D 21:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I put a notice under his post. I hope Russians are going to understand that this guy is dangerous. He is willing to exploit the difficulty of communication to start an edit war. Dpotop 21:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hm. Not yet translated... Dahn 21:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

On a *completely different issue*, I was thinking that wikipedia would be improved a lot if we begin work on a Russian in Latin characters version. Countless of people will benefit from not having to read it in Cyrillic, and all contributors would have to be familiar with is Cyrillic - we'll call it "the Node_ue method". Then, perhaps, we could move on to Tifinagh for Ukrainian. Dahn 03:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you serious, or it's just a symptom of the frustration Node_ue can produce on Moldovan-related pages?

If you are serious about doing it, I suggest we contact Bogdan Giusca. We could then convert his script to do what you want, and then we request the creation of the la-ru wikipedia (latin russian) on the same grounds. Something like "if you refuse deleting this one, you cannot deny us this". Note that a Siberian language already existed, and was deleted by User:Alex Bakharev. But we could revive it and say we are supporting an endagered ethnic minority in imperialist Russia. :):):) Dpotop 09:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if I could handle Siberian, but I was dead serious about Russian in Latin script. But I have an even more pressing one - since they could always argue that Siberian and Latin Russian were never official, it is very much time that we began, for the sake of all users, a "Russian in pre-reform Cyrillic alphabet" (before 1918). Let us not deny people born 150 years ago the chance to access the Internet. Dahn 09:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Sweet! I apologize, because I thought you would never, ever, even envision that. So, do we contact Bogdan? Dpotop 09:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Let's do that. Dahn 09:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I left a message on his talk page. We're going to need more supporters, though. All those who want to contribute to the growth of this vibrant community, please sign up here. Dahn 09:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I am fluent in cyrillic, but know close to nothing in Russian. I presume I could say I'm ru-1. :) But I presume we could always rely on babelfish.altavista.com. :) Dpotop 09:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Fluent in Cyrillic is enough. Copy-paste and be mindful of grouped letters and minor details. If you replace the letters in all sections of words, you'll have 100% fluency in pre-1918 Russian Cyrillic; sure, you may miss a spot or two once in a while, but who doesn't make mistakes? In whatever scenario, our contributions will be much more comprehensive than Node's - especially since we wouldn't have to replace all, but just some of the letters. Dahn 09:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Part 2

I posted another message on wikipedia-l (lists). If you feel concerned, please react in the discussion that will ensue. Bonaparte and Anittas: please do not intervene, because your posts may jeopardize our initiatives (you tend to use language that is not suited/politically correct/correct). If you choose to post, anyway, only post if you feel your position is rational, and only rational text. Otherwise, you help Node_ue. Misplaced Pages-l is here . You may need an account to post. Dpotop 12:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I see Node wants to Bring his Russians into this again: "Hi again. Since there is now a majority voting to keep this Misplaced Pages, the Romanians have decided they don't like democracy anymore, and have taken it to the Misplaced Pages-l mailing list: here. Hopefully, the people in charge will not fall for this, but I think it would be good if some voices of reason and logic could be heard on the mailing list too. Thanks! --Node" TSO1D 15:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, wikipedia-l is not about voting, it's about explaining rational things to the decision-makers. It's essential that we remain calm and rational. Note the number of messages Node_ue is sending. Dpotop 16:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, as his messages lack qualities, he thinks he can compensate through sheer quantity. TSO1D 17:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Until now, quantity was enough. :( Dpotop 17:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Part 3

Ok, my push on wikipedia-l for the closure of the Moldovan wikipedia failed. I have even provided evidence of Node_ue harassing me over e-mail, and all these guys had to say is a plain "we don't care about your problems". Right now I am not sure I wish to be a part of such an organization where self-organization and self-governance is just a facade. Looks very much like justice in Romania. Dpotop 14:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I forgot: My failure does not influence the status quo. The vote organized by Node_ue, or our complete closure request are just as useless from a practical point. The people on wikipedia-l simply seem stuffed with this Moldovan business. Dpotop 16:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

After another e-mail request, I realized I did not give you the link to some anti-romanian prose by Node_ue. Try it here (his message is attached at the end). Dpotop 11:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I will copy here an e-mail I missed on wikipedia-l more than 3 months ago, and which is what I wanted to obtain. That wikipedia is freezed indeed. You can all find the message here . This is the current "constitution" of the moldovan wikipedia, which is freezed. :) Dpotop 17:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

National theatres

(I don't really know where to post this, I hope this is the right place for it :) An user at HuWiki mentioned that Romania has (at least) 4 national theatres, I added their names to the article National Theatre, please check if these are the correct names (and add the missing ones if there are more of them). greetings, – Alensha 寫 词 19:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

On the equivalent disambig at ro.wiki, there are listed seven of them. I added them to the page. bogdan 19:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I just translated a large chunk of the Romanian-language article ro:Teatrul Naţional "Ion Luca Caragiale" Bucureşti to the English one. - Jmabel | Talk 00:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Standard naming scheme

Please see the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Polish-Romanian Alliance

I have created a new article on this interesting subject, perhaps you would like to expand it?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Piotrus, I dropped a note at Portal:Romania/New article announcements, which is probably the best place to notify about this sort of thing. - Jmabel | Talk 05:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Byzantium after Byzantium

Some contention at Talk:Byzantium after Byzantium. It looks to me like an article with some good material, but possibly a bit of a POV polemic. Others on this board may want to weigh in. - Jmabel | Talk 06:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Romania

I'm going to be in Romania from the 16th - 23rd August. Bucharest for a day, and then Constanta (probably going to Vama Veche at some point too). If anyone wants photos taking or fancies meeting up for a pint, let me know. - FrancisTyers · 18:02, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

We could definitely use better pictures of Vama Veche.

The only specific Bucharest photo I know we need (but it's not worth going way out of your way to take it unless you find yourself in that part of town) is we should get some pictures of what is now the Filaret bus station (autogară) which was originally Bucharest's first passenger rail station - Jmabel | Talk 16:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll see if I'm around that way. Any specific pictures of Vama Veche or should I just go into tourist mode? :) - FrancisTyers · 16:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

If it's out of your way, I took some photos of Filaret Bus Station today. I have uploaded this one and this one on commons, in commons:Category:Buildings in Bucharest.--Andrei 11:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no particular agenda, but at least a couple of the pictures currently on the article are poorly focused. - Jmabel | Talk 19:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

This is probably too late, but if anyone is in Bucharest near Valter Mărăcineanu Square, then a photo of the headquarters of the National Council for Combating Discrimination would be highly appreciated. I'm currently working on that article and would like to expand on it. Ronline ✉ 10:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Help with translations

I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help , then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with Romanian. Thanks, --Soman 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Paul Lambrino

I'm really inclined to revert this recent edit to Paul Lambrino. Referring to Mircea Grigore Carol Lambrino as "illegitimate" strikes me as rather bogus (yes, Carol II's marriage to Zizi Lambrino was annulled, but that was basically just politics). Calling him "Mircea Grigore" instead of "Carol Lambrino" just seems snide. "King Michael is a recognized protector of the Jews during WWII" seems dubious ("recognized by whom")? And removing {{House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen}} and {{Euro-royal-stub}} seems just polemical.

Out of curiosity, I checked the contributions of the person who made the edits (Veduny (talk · contribs)). All of his other edits are to Radu, Prince of Hohenzollern-Veringen, and all of them appear to be sympathetic to Radu. Now, I happen to agree that Prince Radu seems like a nice guy and "Prince" Paul like a self-aggrandizing twit, but it's not Misplaced Pages's job to be mean to self-aggrandizing twits.

Since I imagine not a lot of people are watching the Paul Lambrino article, I thought I'd bring the matter here. - Jmabel | Talk 23:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Photos again

Once again, I'm trying to ID some photos I took in Bucharest. I'll start out with two of them. These are in the Lipscani district. - Jmabel | Talk 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Making progress, so let's try a couple more. - Jmabel | Talk 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lipscani & Nat Bank.jpg		I know it's the Romanian National Bank in the background, but does anyone know the name of the street? - Jmabel | Talk It's Strada Doamnei. - Andrei 08:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 04:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:Lipscani 1.jpg		Maybe 100 metres southeast of the corner of Calea Victoriei and Regina Elisabeta (give or take). But I can't remember in what street; pretty sure I was on the south side of an east-west street, looking at the north side. - Jmabel | Talk Hey, got it myself! This is inside Pasajul Macca-Vilacrosse. - Jmabel | Talk 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:Lipscani 2.jpg		& this is the one that is maybe 100 metres southeast of the corner of Calea Victoriei and Regina Elisabeta (give or take). But I can't remember in what street; pretty sure I was on the south side of an east-west street, looking at the north side. - Jmabel | Talk 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:Lipscani night 1.jpg		& I think this is the one is Strada Lipscani, right? - Jmabel | Talk
Image:Lipscani Unirii 1.jpg		& I think this is the one is Strada Selari, can someone confirm? - Jmabel | Talk

And since this one (posted about 10-12 weeks ago) still hasn't been properly identified:

While I'm at it, can anyone identify this object from the Museum of the Romanian Peasant? I've tentatively identified it as an amphora, but I don't see how liquids would get in or out.

Image:MTR Ceramic 4.jpg

Amphora? - Jmabel | Talk 04:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Possible alternate image(s) for Romanians infobox

Anittas (who is currently banned, for reasons that do not bear on his trustworthiness) sent me the image I have now uploaded as Image:Four Romanians.JPG, and suggests that it might make a better choice for the Infobox for the ] article. From left to right, Stephen III of Moldavia (Ştefan Cel Mare); composer George Enescu; scientist Victor Babeş; and jet aircraft pioneer Henri Coandă. All images should be public domain. And of course we could mix and match. Just passing it along.

Any discussion should probably be at Talk:Romanians#Possible alternate image. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Again, no "Romanians list" can exist without Eminescu. And I presume Michael the Brave cannot be forgotten, either. Dpotop 09:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria

În 17 septembrie va fi referendum în Transnistria legat de independenţa regiunii. Cu această ocazie probabil multă lume va căuta pe Misplaced Pages informaţii despre Transnistria. Am încercat să adaug în articol nişte informaţii legate de acest referendum, anume:

- faptul că mai multe organizaţii antiseparatiste au lansat un apel la boicotare, considerînd referendumul "farsă"

- faptul că din 46 de ţări membre ale Consiliului Europei, 45 sînt împotriva recunoaşterii referendumului, numai RUsia are altă părere

- faptul că datele Comisiei Electorale Centrale din Tiraspol au fost schimbate în mod ciudat, anume numărul total de alegători s-a micşorat cu 7% faţă de 2005, ceea ce ridică suspiciuni asupra unei încercări de creştere artificială a prezenţei la vot prin raportarea unui număr mai mic de alegători înregistraţi.

Totdeauna am dat lincurile care dovedesc cele scrise de mine, n-am născocit nimic din burtă.

Userul Willian Mauco, care pare fan Tiraspol, mereu mi-a şters adăugirile. (vezi istoria paginii)

Puteţi vedea la pagina de discuţii Transnistria ce argumente a adus. Anume: ăia care cer boicotarea referendumului din Transnistria sînt foşti KGB-işti, că aşa zice o organizaţie rusească de analiză (a dat un linc pentru asta). Întîi a spus că respectivii nici nu sînt din Transnistria, ci doar din Basarabia, dar i-am dovedit că unii dintre semnatarii apelului la boicot sînt transnistreni. Am fost împăciuitor, i-am zis că n-are decît să adauge părerea organizaţiei ruseşti că antiseparatiştii sînt foşti KGBişti, că n-are decît să-i considere pe cei care vor boicotarea referendumului drept băieţi răi, dar faptul în sine, că s-a cerut boicotarea referendumului, trebuie menţionat. Degeaba, mereu mi s-au şters adăugirile - pentru celelalte 2 fapte nici n-a adus argumente.

A mai fost o adăugire care a şters-o, despre arestarea a 4 persoane din Transnistria care sînt împotriva separatismului (între timp li s-a dat drumul). În cazul ăsta am renunţat eu să mai insist pentru includerea informaţiei în articol (deşi informaţia e incontestabilă), tocmai fiindcă n-am vrut să mă cert prea mult.

În perioada asta cînd agenţiile de ştiri vor menţiona referendumul de la Tiraspol, se va citi articolul Transnistria în Misplaced Pages poate mai mult decît într-un an întreg. De aia acum e nevoie să existe în articol informaţii despre contestarea corectitudinii referendumului. Nu cer să se menţioneze ca adevăr absolut faptul că referendumul e incorect, ci doar că există unii (OSCE, 45 din 46 ţări ale Consiliului Europei, unele organizaţii din zonă şi din Basarabia) care consideră asta. Vă cer de aceea sprijinul ca să interveniţi pe pagina de discuţii Transnistria pentru a susţine rămînerea informaţiei în pagină şi să repuneţi informaţia atunci cînd Mauco o şterge (eu nu pot să verific chiar 24 de ore din 24). Evitaţi atacurile suburbane, păstraţi ton civilizat. mulţumesc.--MariusM 17:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)