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Indic name needed

Do you need the Indic name(s) of something or somebody? Post a link to the article here, the Indic script(s) needed, and/or the Indic language transliteration requested. Strike out the article when completed.

• Begunkodor — Need Bengali 59.95.106.110 (talk) 17:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Rimi B. Chatterjee - Bengali

রীমি বর্ণালী চ্যাটার্জী

• Suhungmung - Assamese
• Prithviraj III - Punjabi
• Farsha - Sanskrit

That word cannot be written in Sanskrit as it is written there, but "paraṣu" would be पराषु in Devanagari, the script now used for writing Sanskrit. LaRoza (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

• Bich'hwa - Hindi

For whatever it's worth now, बिछवा. Have added it to the article too.VishalB (talk) 10:33, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

• Kurunthadi - Malayalam
• Khan Noonien Singh - Punjabi
• Ram Karmabhoomi - Sanskrit
• Punjabi Saudagaran-e-Delhi - please add panjabi... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.123.178.78 (talk) 17:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
• Poolangal - would appreciate a Tamil translation of the village name, if anyone is able to assist. Katherine (talk) 12:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
• Mukkulathor - need Tamil spelling, ta.wiki article is ta:தேவர் (சாதி) but I'm not sure which parts mean what. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:53, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
• Bulbul tarang - need Hindi and Urdu spellings. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:53, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you use Google Translate?, and for confirmation you may search that translated term on Google search engine. Well, I've added its Hindi spelling in the article. — Bill william compton 16:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Plan of action for INCOTW

Hello. Since the last 1-2 months, WP:INCOTW is dire need of more attention from regular wikipedians. There are a lot of articles out there which need improvement. All of us are working (very well) on our areas of interest, but this very good opportunity to work together and create great articles is being lost. To make things better and more attractive, the rule about allowing only stubs to be nominated has been lifted. I was looking out for a particular area being ignored by us till Dwaipayanc brought Template:Life in India to my attention. I have analysed the list of articles there and my findings can be read here. What I propose is that people start nominating articles from the template (the worst and most interesting first) and also spend some more time working on articles selected as INCOTW. Please give your suggestions and ideas about the entire INCOTW process at the talk page. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi - a few issues and suggestions:

(1) I think the problems with INCOTW are pretty clear - a lot of the regular school of Indian Wikipedians are busy and editing less in volume, if not frequency. This problem also applies to many India-related Wikiprojects. While the "old school" of Indian Wikipedians has done valuable work, the projects need to rope in the large numbers of Indian registered users who don't frequent these noticeboards and Wikiprojects. Don't rely on INWNB posts and messages - folks really need to get messages out to individual usertalk pages. For this purpose, it would be a good, achievable project to start an INWNB/INCOTW weekly newsletter or alert.

(2) A smaller INCOTW issue may be that when 1-2 editors are interested in working on a particular article, it may be overruled by a larger number for another topic. In this process INCOTW will lose many willing editors who don't like the particular topic selected for INCOTW. Perhaps INCOTW can deal with 2-3 articles at the same time, while extending its collaboration period from 1 week to 2 weeks or so to make the deadline realistic. Adding loads of data is easy - formatting, citing and copyediting are not. You lose the momentum in the latter stages.

(3) An interesting point comes to mind. I'm guilty of never having worked on INCOTW. Its unusual because I love working in collaboration - I absolutely love assisting comrades on FA drives, doing the tedious copyediting chores, etc. I can name several articles where I've greatly enjoyed helping out. Many of the recent FAs are excellent examples where 2-3 editors have aided the principal author in achieving success. This is collaboration that works. Perhaps INCOTW could emulate this model?

(4) Don't restrict the net to Indian Wikipedians. We must work with equal enthusiasm and care with non-Indians. There is a natural sense of respect for each other at INWNB, but it should extend to all. The family, team atmosphere at INWNB is pretty cool, but it needs to be open to all. This India cartel should be transformed into an energetic group of editors interested in India-related content.

(5) Sister projects INWNB, INCOTW and India wikiprojects have many accomplishments. Although the principle of working on India-related content is clear, I think its a good idea to collaborate with the efforts of Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Sri Lankan editors. We have a lot of shared content, so its not like we're deviating. This way we can widen the team effort and attract the participation of these communities in our own efforts. I suggest we officially hook up with WikiProject Bangladesh, PNWNB. Rama's arrow 15:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes for Taluks of India

Is there any infobox template which can be used on article page of a taluk or do we use the one that is used for "cities and towns in India"

Also, can someone please make a list of all the India-specific infoboxes and templates and put it on one page and add a link to that page in the Template:Indiaquicklinks box? People who've been around forever might know where to find all thes boxes, but for relatively new people it is a big pain finding the right boxes and templates for articles.

Also, how about providing the link to edit an infobox in the box itself. I have seen it on some boxes but not all boxes. It is not easy for someone to figure the right urls for thes boxes. I feel all infoboxes should mandatorily have the link to edit it. How about making it a policy?

Sarvagnya 19:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hellooo. Anybody here? Sarvagnya 22:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess nobody answered your question for so long as people are sleeping at that time. :) People here are active duing IST daylight hours. It's a bad idea to create links to templates to correct something for newbies. It's not too difficult for them to learn about templates either. They can always ask. If you go to the edit mode of the page, it's very easy to jump to a template. Why don't you go ahead and create a taluka infobox prototype? =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes.. I agree it might not be such a good idea afterall to make it easy for newbies to edit templates. But I still feel there should atleast be a listing of all relevant templates and infoboxes on one page. As for the taluka infobox, i'd be glad to create one myself, but I have observed that most of the talukas are presently categorised under "cities and towns of India" and use the infoboxes for that. So I dont want to add to any confusion. As it is, in my opinion, the categorisations are a big mess. Thats a different question, will take that up later.

For now, the question remains. What about an infobox for talukas? The reason I ask is I recently created this page, but observed that most(maybe all) the taluk article pages are missing infoboxes. Counterparts from other states like this one are using different templates not to mention they're categorised under cities and towns of india. I hope you get my drift. Thanks and waiting for a reply. Sarvagnya 07:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I second that. And note that the Article for city is different from the article for the District and that is different from the article for the Taluk. Hence We can very well go with a infobox and add to pages that talk about the taluk.  Doctor Bruno Talk 03:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I can help. I think we can merge this into the existing infobox with a type, Taluk. Right now, city, district and state all share the same template. What additional fields do you need for a taluk? Can you list them here? - Ganeshk (talk) 04:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

King of kalinga at the time of war with ashoka

Can somebody explain who was the king of kalinga when the fierce battle of kalinga was fought between ashok and kalinga.

Image request

Many of you may have come to Gujarat. I am looking for pictures to improve Gujarat-related articles. If you have pictures of various places of Gujarat like Gir, Nalsarovar, Kutch, etc. please upload them at commons. - Aksi_great (talk) 08:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject India

I think we should retire templates for the various Indian wikiprojects such as {{Wikiproject Indian districts}}, {{Wikiproject Indian cinema}}, {{Wikiproject History of India}} etc. and replace them all with {{WP India}}. It has various advantages over the others.

• We can rate the articles - the rating counts appear on the WP:IND page as we do so.
• Each of the above child projects can get exposure as the template can incorporate their names as well.
• This will guide new people and other interested readers to a centralised project page and help us recruit better for the projects.
• It will help rejuvenate the WP:IND. It has the lowest no. of members of all these projects.

These are just some thoughts. If there is agreement on this, we can start by replacing the templates on the project pages with the {{WP India}} template. I will also copy this message to the various projects to get better response. Let us continue the discussion here to keep it centralised -- Lost 18:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Please, no. The template WP:INCINE directs people to the Indian cinema project and discussion pages, it has been extremely successful in doing so, we need all the help we can get, and it would not be good to remove our source of new recruits.

Make the templates smaller, yes, but don't remove them. Zora 18:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Zora, please have a look at the talk page of Sholay. It will make my point clearer. People will still get a link to the Indian cinema project with the new template -- Lost 18:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

A unified template is a cool idea - efficiency and uniformity, although one should be able to customize as per the topic. Rama's arrow 02:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, its highly customizable... There are many optional fields within the template -- Lost 05:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Notice board for India-related topics/Newsalert

Hi - based on the discussion above, I've created a newsletter framework based on the Misplaced Pages Signpost. Its only rudimentary and can be modified into a new layout anytime. I've created some sections of specific news and information, and more need to be added. I request the participation of all who read this. Rama's arrow 20:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ziaur Rahman FAC

Hi all - I've put up Ziaur Rahman for FAC. Please check it out. Rama's arrow 13:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Government of India

Portal:Government of India has been created. Please suggest your views to make it improve. Please take participation in article and list selection. Actually it will work from October 1 in full phase, so anniversary also has dated October 1. Shyam 20:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Last check-up for Indian cricket team

I do not feel I can do much more for the article Indian cricket team. It's already GA, PISA and been Peer Reviewed. I just request people to give it a quick copyedit and review it before it goes up for FAC. I'm also wondering as to how many citations are required in this page, because it really has very few citations. Most things on the page are obvious but considering the people who vote in FACs are sometimes not from cricketing nations, I don't know how many I should put up. Thanks. Nobleeagle (Talk) 01:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Hold on the FAC nom as it will be trashed. Here are some pointers as to what might go wrong:

1. Lead is too name heavy
2. Highest paid sports team according to raw value or PPP? If PPP, it need not be mentioned as highest. I think football teams such as Real Madrid are paid far higher than the ICT
3. See also should be at the end of the section
4. Keep a space between the footnote and the next sentence
5. Tone down the text: "Signs were optimistic?"
6. Wrong image formats: Maps and diagrams should be svg (As Ambuj); logo should be png
7. Badly needs a cpedit
8. MoS not followed for section headings. Should be in sentence case, not title case
9. Tournament history details should be in a table
10. Promote recent performances. Merge into history
11. section 9.1 is redundant. Merge with parent
12. Nothing mention on how the squad is selected: Regional based selectors
13. Kit sponsor --> current kit sponsor
14. reference has a lot on information. Please cite the source only. The text can go to wikiquote.'
15. Sisterlinks? (commons, wikiquote etc?)
16. See also links should be relavent.
17. Format the references section as per citation templates available, and smaller font. See Indian Standard Time for details.
18. The British did not really rule India in the early 1700s. Please verify when it was introduced.
19. Can the stats table be updated to the current month?

Thanks! I hope you don't mind if I strike through as I go along. Tell me if I incorrectly striked something. Nobleeagle (Talk) 05:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the names for the Indian spin quartet were unnecessary in the lead which resulted the lead being too name heavy. Thus I have removed them. Nobleeagle (Talk) 05:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The source I have states that it is the highest paid sports team in the world in terms of sponsorships so I have not gone into further detail on anything apart from that. Nobleeagle (Talk) 05:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Right, I don't understand the following two points:

• Can the stats table be updated to the current month? Which stats table
• See also should be at the end of the section

Perhaps I'm just having a mind-blank but I would appreciate it if you explained those two things. By the way, I'm making Recent Performances a subsection of History. Nobleeagle (Talk) 06:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Replying

1. Oh, I meant the infobox. The stats there are correct as of July 4, which is almost 4 months old!
2. The see also has been fixed. See also as it's name suggest points to a digression after a user has read the topic.
3. As for the source, , it does mention that the Indian cricket team is the highest paid team, but the context is cricket ie, in the cricketing realm. For such a statement on superlatives, I would prefer to see it backed by concrete numbers.
4. Section 1.1 is redundant. To warrant a subheading, it should contain at least 2 headings, preceded by an overview.
5. Headings should not be hyperlinked.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.180.4.162 (talk • contribs)

The source for highest paid sports team says "The Indian cricket team is the highest paid (in terms of sponsorships) sports team in the world." I'm going to leave it like it is because the source does not say "Highest paid cricket team", it says "sports team". Regards. Nobleeagle (Talk) 00:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• You can't create logos of organisations/companies and place them in PD. Logos are always copyrighted. Also, the new image is too much pixelated. Because of these reasons, BCCI logo.jpg should be changed back to 3283 320.jpg, and the former put for deletion. I have added svg of the chart and map. Let me know if they are okay. The article badly needs a copyedit, and I will try to do it ASAP. I request others to also do it so that things get fixed fast. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

  Nope, I've asked for the image to be converted to png, not PD :). Image format conversions are legal. Going through it once again, I figure it the logo should be svg instead of raster formats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.180.4.162 (talk • contribs)

• The article is nowhere near FA level. Almost every sentence has a problem. In addition to being choppy, the prose is high on POV, has a cruft for useless details, and often takes sides, passes value judgement. Please don't take it to FAC as it is quite unlikely to pass. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ambuj...I'll put the FAC hopes on hold then. As for the image, 3283 320.jpg gets immensely pixelated when one enlarges it, which is why I took West_Indies_Cricket_Board_Flag.svg as an example and created my own version of the logo. Is it possible for me to tag it as Fair Use like other logos and possibly try and create an even better logo for the page. I admit its bad, especially when enlarged, but the other one was really really really bad. Nobleeagle (Talk) 23:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Kazi Nazrul Islam

Hi - I request all to please check out Kazi Nazrul Islam (FAC). Thanks, Rama's arrow 00:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Notice board for India-related topics/Newsalert

Misplaced Pages:Notice board for India-related topics/Newsalert I need help in starting the circulation of this newsletter. Updates is easier but the project needs more regular contributors, ideas and suggestions. Basic formatting and layout have been done, but some issues need sorting. Rama's arrow 19:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I can help in distribution but who do we distribute it to? -- Lost 19:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I just read Lost's message. This can be distributed to all members of the India wikiproject. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Might as well include members of the child projects too? We can include the option to opt out if they dont want it. -- Lost 20:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I am thinking we would be using AWB to do this. This is how I am thinking it will work. Use WikiProject_India/Members page to get a list of users and append these alerts to their talk pages. If we include child projects, it will be a lot of work for the person sending the alerts out. The news letter has a footer section giving the instructions to opt out. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Question: Shall we automatically add everyone at Misplaced Pages:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics#Members to the India wikiproject? At some point, they have mentioned interest in the project. So I think it will be allright. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes though I dont see too many of those names active. We would just be cluttering their talk pages with our newsletter. -- Lost 20:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You are right. We should take the active users out of that section. Users, let us say, that have edited atleast once in the last 3 months. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Indian Wikipedians (active people) would be great resource that we can pull from too. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

almost 500 guys, wow!! Yes good idea. Maybe we could atleast leave a single issue on each of their pages. Afterwards we can be more conservative. But then we will have to enlist Ganeshbot for this. Even with AWB, it'll take me ages to do it:) -- Lost 20:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You can have your AWB account registered as a bot so that you can use the Autosave checkbox to let AWB on a automatic mode. Are you aware of this? - Ganeshk (talk) 20:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I wasnt actually. I always thought getting a bot approval was a very technical thing. Will ask you more regarding this on your talk page -- Lost 21:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I have started a Outreach department, kind of a Editor's desk for doing this activity. I have merged your newslert under the department so it is organized better. Could you please check out September 2006 Newsletter and add to that. I feel the news alert must give new information everytime, not link to existing project pages that everyone is aware of. The new template has sections to add news and new proposals. Everyone please join in and comment. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Appropriateness of categorizing historical personalities as Pakistanis or Bangldeshis

Ragib,

Will you please explain to me how can Indian revolutionaries like Bagha Jatin, Khudiram bose, and many others who lived and died decades before the Bangladesh was formed, can be categorized as Bangladeshi People?

Please don’t assume that I am starting some pointless debate with you on some unimportant technicality. It is in fact a larger issue involving many other articles of wikipedia. Frequently I come across gems like this in wikipedia, such as "Hunas consolidated their power in northern India and Pakistan", or "governments based in ancient Pakistan ruled over northern India .." Just check out the first para of History_of_Pakistan, it makes a hilarious reading.

Retrofitting the names of modern states on historical entities is, at the very least, plainly inaccurate and must be avoided. Can you find such sentences in serious historical works like Oxford History of India? Then why should wikipedia start this new tradition?

The issue is also an ethical one. Do you think these revolutionary, who died for a united, free India would have agreed to been called Bangladeshis, for Bangladesh is a much truncated version of free motherland they dreamed of. Are we doing justice to the sacrifices of these heroes by assigning nationality to them that they had never even heard of, let alone consented to?

I believe we need to obtain a community consensus on this issue, i.e. the appropriateness of the assigning modern state identifiers on historical entities. Once a majority agreement has been reached we can correct the inaccuracies as we come across them.

Lastly, in a lighter vein, can I put Pakistani People category on Reginald Dyer. Can you give me one good reason why I should not?

Sisodia 07:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

That article (History of Pakistan, is a joke and I don't know how much of a joke it is to bother attempting to fix it right now...

The five thousand year history of Pakistan reveals that the Indus Valley Civilization of Pakistan and the Gangetic Valley Civilization of India have remained always separate entities. In fact, governments based in ancient Pakistan ruled over northern India more often and for much longer periods than governments based in India ruled over Pakistan territories. What is more important, ancient Pakistan as an independent country always looked westward and had more connections—ethnic, cultural, linguistic, religious, commercial, as well as political—with the Sumerian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Central Asian civilizations than with the Gangetic Valley.

First of all, there was no such thing as Pakistan until the 20th century. The idea that there was a seperate Pakistan and seperate India (based in the Indus and Ganges respectively) is utter nonsense. This article talks of a land called Ancient Pakistan and Ancient India, there was no such thing. There was the Indus Valley Civilization, which moved into the Gangetic Valley c. 1000-1500 BCE. It can state that the Indus Valley Civilization was based in the north-western Punjab region which is now modern day Pakistan and then refer to the civilization by name instead of referring to it as some form of an Ancient Pakistani civilization. The last sentence is particularly false as it refers to Ancient Pakistan as an "independent country". Since when was there an independent Pakistan before 1947. It says that the Ancient Pakistani Nation had more connections (ethnic, cultural, linguistic and religious) than with the Gangetic Valley. They were both Aryans! The cultural, linguistic, religious and ethnic relations are the same. Both are descendents of the PIE. This is utter rubbish and needs a collaborative pruning.

On your original comment, I'm not sure whether Ragib is acting on some consensus which has been formed. But I agree that we shouldn't categorize people who lived before Pakistan and Bangladesh was formed as Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. It should be based on their country of origin and as those two weren't countries till 1947 and 1971 respectively then it doesn't seem fitting to categorize people like that. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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