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Welcome to my User Talk page, I live in Cornwall, United Kingdom, I am affiliated with the Open University. I currently sign as: Dysklyver. I have previously used a different username and used different signatures. I have various test accounts and old accounts (all disclosed to admins). This is the place to complain about mistakes I made somewhere and to message me about articles I have worked on. You can also leave nice messages here. I will probably reply the same day, but if I don't its because I haven't seen your message, note my UK time zone may affect this. I have various work and research commitments which will often distract me or take priority. If you want to get my attention on another page, use {{ping|A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver}} or post on this page, giving a link to the page in question. I have previously been a Articles for Creation and New Page Patrol reviewer. I briefly held the Rollbacker user right but never got into anti-vandalism. I have access to Westlaw, Lexislibary, Hain online, the BMJ, most law reports, scientific and academic journals and papers as well some paywalled news sources, if you are looking for a source, I am happy to help. Comments posted here will be automatically archived after 72 hours.

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Hi, are you the same user who has been using the nick Aguyintobooks on IRC, specifically in the #wikimedia-tech channel? Legoktm (talk) 07:10, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Based on I assume so. I'd like to politely ask you to refrain from helping people in that channel - as far as I can tell all of the advice you gave to people in the past 24 hours was entirely wrong. If you have questions or want to learn more I'm happy to answer them or give you some pointers. HTH, Legoktm (talk) 07:17, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Probably best to follow up with the correct helpful fix on simple-talk. Dysklyver 08:47, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
You've managed to miss the point entirely. A senior tech is asking you politely to stop giving out bad advice on IRC. Primefac (talk) 14:06, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
My mistake, I thought the senior tech was offering to help fix the massmessage system on simple-wiki. Dysklyver 14:36, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
I meant what Primefac said. And saying you're not going to "provide specific advice" and then going ahead and trying to give people advice isn't helpful either. I can probably also help with investigating the MassMessage issue, and commented on simple-wiki. Legoktm (talk) 18:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

ArbCom candidacy

To comment on my ArbCom candidacy go to its subpage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver (talk • contribs)

Fram's PRODs

You may want to edit your response to Fram's question. PRODing the 2017 World Table Tennis Championships as WP:CRYSTAL in, oh, 2013, isn't exactly a "clear error". ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:54, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

The full text of that article, 23 hours after creation, was "The 2017 World Table Tennis Championships are scheduled to be held in ? from 2015." Fram (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Boy howdy, how did you ever bring yourself to PROD such a thoroughly informative article? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:24, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Indeedy, not the most useful article. But my point was primarily in response to criticism from Fram regarding my prod of a similar article concerning the 2018 Icelandic Municipal elections. Prodding an article on scheduled elections for next year per WP:CRYSTAL also shows a lack of knowledge of our policies - my implication is that a local election is no more or less notable than a world level sports event. Dysklyver 15:33, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
An election with a fixed date for the coming year, vs. an event with an unknown date or place (and no widespread attention for cities or countries going to bid for it, like the Olympics have)? That's exactly why one is a crystal violation, and the other isn't. Notability was not the argument for deletion here in either case. Fram (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
The dates for the World Table Tennis Championships are as fixed as the Icelandic Municipal elections, neither are certain. Notability is directly relevant, and in this example is the minimum requirement for sources to meet the requirement for verification put forward in the WP:Crystal policy. I truly think you have no concept on how I look at these things. Notability is a guideline which explains how to judge the state of sourcing required for meeting the WP:V policy, however it may also be used to interpret the WP:NOT policy in a similar way. A guideline is no more or less than an explanation of how to interpret a policy. (and an essay is a guideline on how to interpret a guideline). Therefore any lack of sources on something that is obviously true is a notability issue, and lack of sources on something that is not obviously true is a verifiability issue, and to compound that, and future-class article is also a WP:Crystal issue. Dysklyver 15:58, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
You seem to be utterly confused between "verifiable" and "verified". An article with no or poor sources is not unverifiable, and having good sources in an article is not required by WP:V (excepting things like BLPs and so on). The 2017 TT world championships were likely to happen (although it is dubious that an actual date was fixed in 2013 already), but otherwise completely unverifiable as no independent sources were discussing them (as reflected by the state of the article at the time of deletion). The 2018 municipal elections in Iceland were not only verifiable with an exact date from official sources, but also already discussed in reliable, independent sources like this newspaper article). It has its own tag at the Icalndic version of the BBC look at these things", as it escaped me that you could have such things so completely backwards.
Let's go back to the TT championships. Even ignoring the abysmal state of the article, it would be the same as writing now an article for the 2021 World table tennis championships. Which is an event for which there are currently NO Google results (there are 1,000 results for the 2019 ones, which have been awarded, and 4 for the 2020 ones. So while it is quite likely that there will be TT world championships in 2021, and if so it will certainly be a notable event, it still is a WP:CRYSTAL violation to start an article on it now. And meanwhile it isn't a crustal violation to have an article about the 2018 municipal elections in Iceland now.
So, do you still maintain that the article should have been deleted as a WP:CRYSTAL violation? And do you still maintain that your prod of Carabao was the right thing to do? Fram (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't deny Carabao is worth keeping now it has been vouched for. And I made the effort to save the Icelandic local elections article after discussion with the author. Despite the fact it was (and technically still is) a NOT violation

Indeed. I don't need to tell you what GNG says, the content of discussion or the repeated discussions on VPP. Kindly either prove your point with something concrete or stop bothering me with your dubious interpretations and incomprehensible double standards. Dysklyver 18:56, 17 November 2017 (UTC) Dysklyver 18:56, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hi A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Misplaced Pages:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Schwede66 18:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of South Treveneague

The article South Treveneague has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This appears to be just a farmstead rather than a hamlet, and the sources cited seem to bear this out. On the Ordnance Survey map the only label is "South Treveneague Farm". I think this fails WP:NGEO, although an article on Treveneague may be possible, given the PastScape entry cited in the Fogou article.

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