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BLPSOURCES

Hi Ivanvector. I noticed this revert. Can you please be very careful in the future not to restore material sourced to tabloid journalism as you did there? --John (talk) 15:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Banned means banned, John. If we're not even going to bother trying to enforce a highly disruptive editor's indefinite block, stop pretending it means shit and unblock them. It'll save me a lot of button pushing. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 17:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I see. So you value following your interpretation of Misplaced Pages rules over preventing damage to real life subjects? That seems... counter-intuitive, don't you think? --John (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps if this editor ever took your advice, or anyone's, or in the case of this edit they made any effort at all to explain why the article subject's own words ought to be considered damaging to that subject to a degree requiring immediate removal under the BLP policy, and not just part of an ongoing bull-headed crusade to expunge one particular source from Misplaced Pages, they might not have earned a community 1RR restriction to stop their disruptive behaviour, repeated ignorance of which leaves them indefinitely blocked by a progression of administrators acting in good faith. Frankly, your ongoing encouragement of this misconduct is unbecoming an administrator, is insulting to the community which placed the restriction, and does no service to the policy you (and I) hold in such high regard. Your time and energy would be much better spent admonishing this behaviour and encouraging other potential crusaders to not get started in the first place. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 19:42, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

That's all good stuff, but you didn't answer the question. Never mind, I'll answer it for you. BLP trumps all other Misplaced Pages policies. If you want to go to AN/I to complain about this or rely in the future on using it in an unblock notice that the contrary applies, that'll be your own choice, but don't say you weren't politely warned. --John (talk) 19:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions advice

Please carefully read this information:

The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.

Template:Z33--John (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

You're being a bit of a jerk, aren't you, John? (A notice of DS is not "mandatory".)--Bbb23 (talk) 20:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I edit conflicted with Bbb23 as I was leaving a similar comment. You can be "right" without coming off as an officious bully, or at least you can if you're doing it right. Nobody on this project is going to respond well to this type of aggressive rebuking. --Jezebel's Ponyo 20:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive IP

Hi Ivanvector

There is a WP:SPA IP 95.107.235.175 who keeps targeting articles Lef Nosi and Misto Treska removing referenced material. Request page protection for both articles for now. Best.Resnjari (talk) 20:51, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Resnjari, my apologies, I didn't see your note until this morning (in Atlantic Canadian time). It seems that the issue has been resolved through Marianna251's mediation and protection is not currently necessary. I will watchlist the pages but I don't think my action is needed at this time. If there is disruption in the future, you'll get a faster response by making a request at WP:RFPP. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 14:30, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Its ok. I thought i would go down this route. On Albanian wiki its been a nightmare of sorts with IPs and those pages. Thanks for advice. By the way as i am here, i had another issue which i thought was a little out of my depth and to do with an IP. I'll just provide a link to the talkpage of the article . There isn't much to read but i do need the advice of an administrator. I do believe the IP is that person. What would you say is the best course of action (if its an area on wiki that has come up over the years for you)? Unilateral action, a forum or would you recommend an admin who may have expertise in the area as to how to best handle it. Best.Resnjari (talk) 14:39, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Resnjari: I'll reply here rather than there since the IP has been away for a couple weeks and I don't want to inadvertently ignite what may be a sensitive issue. We normally do respect requests to remove information about low-profile individuals (see WP:BLPPRIVACY, WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE and WP:LOWPROFILE for more details). Even if it's reliably sourced (and I think it is in this case) and not apparently harmful or contentious, if it also doesn't add significant information to a person's biography then there's probably no harm in just removing it. If you did have a concern that the IP editor is not actually the subject, you can direct the editor to contact WP:OTRS. They can handle private identity confirmation, and can also handle correcting or removing sensitive private information if it's the subject's wish. For what it's worth I have seen this a few times and have asked the person to go through OTRS and it's never come back for me that the request was not genuine, though sometimes the request is untenable. I think you've handled this fine, but if they do come back around with more complaints about the article it would probably be a good idea to go the OTRS route. Hope this helps. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 19:09, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Much appreciated and many thanks. I read the policies and made adjustments to the article. On comments in the talkpage, as they are a bit awkward as they delve into a personal event can they be removed (by me or an admin)? If so can that entail all comments in the talkpage as they relate to addressing the IP on those matters? If i am not allowed who would i go to or what forum for such a request (would it be WP:OTRS or somewhere else) ?Resnjari (talk) 20:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Resnjari: I don't think there's any more to be done here, the information doesn't appear to be sensitive to me. Who the subject was married to is pretty freely available information. If you come across something more inappropriate, like a user publishes their own (or someone else's) email address or phone number or full postal address (I've seen this many times) then you can ask for it to be suppressed by using the email form at WP:OVERSIGHT. Users with special permissions can remove sensitive personal information and hide the edits from being viewed by anyone, even administrators. Page histories with suppressed edits look like this. Another process that's related that you might be interested in is WP:EMERGENCY for dealing with very urgent matters like threats of self-harm or violence, but obviously that doesn't apply to this situation. The key to both processes is not to draw too much attention to the matter on-wiki if you can help it, we're all volunteers here and not expected to be experts in dealing with confidential information or deescalating a violent situation. Just privately let someone know at the appropriate email and they will take care of it. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 13:01, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Ivanvector for the advice and information. Work has kept me from replying earlier. When it comes to biographies most articles that i have written on have been on people who are deceased long ago, so this sort of situation has been a learning curb for me. Best regards.Resnjari (talk) 17:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

For the great advice...

		The Admin's Barnstar
		For the detailed and great advice you provided and for your tireless contributions to the Misplaced Pages Project in making it a better place. Much appreciated.Resnjari (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much

The RfC discussion to eliminate portals was closed May 12, with the statement "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time." This was made possible because you and others came to the rescue. Thank you for speaking up.

By the way, the current issue of the Signpost features an article with interviews about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

I'd also like to let you know that the Portals WikiProject is working hard to make sure your support of portals was not in vain. Toward that end, we have been working diligently to innovate portals, while building, updating, upgrading, and maintaining them. The project has grown to 80 members so far, and has become a beehive of activity.

Our two main goals at this time are to automate portals (in terms of refreshing, rotating, and selecting content), and to develop a one-page model in order to make obsolete and eliminate most of the 150,000 subpages from the portal namespace by migrating their functions to the portal base pages, using technologies such as selective transclusion. Please feel free to join in on any of the many threads of development at the WikiProject's talk page, or just stop by to see how we are doing. If you have any questions about portals or portal development, that is the best place to ask them.

If you would like to keep abreast of developments on portals, keep in mind that the project's members receive updates on their talk pages. The updates are also posted here, for your convenience.

Again, we can't thank you enough for your support of portals, and we hope to make you proud of your decision. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   10:36, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S.: if you reply to this message, please {{ping}} me. Thank you. -TT

IP block

Hi there. Just thought I'd raise this with you, seeing as you blocked this IP for sock-puppetry. I think this IP is the same person. The are editing in a similar manner and to similar pages. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Edit warring#Need a clarification of a 1RR

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Edit warring#Need a clarification of a 1RR. Pretty sure you didn't say what is being proposed. NeilN 16:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)Template:Z48

@NeilN: I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything - my comment from an old discussion is being imported. I'll take a look. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 17:12, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Printsterprintingdocuments

Did you mean to softerblock? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I did that on purpose, yeah. An account that makes one obviously promotional edit in completely the wrong place might be someone who just really doesn't know what they're doing, and if they read our guides and understand what this project is about then maybe they'll contribute constructively, or at least understand that we're not an advertising platform. Slim chance, I know. But regardless, they can't use that username. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 11:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough, my friend. I like your gentle way. It reminds me of me before the weight of being an admin crushed my spirit. :) Kidding. I'll certainly be influenced by this and softer my blocks. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Olive branch

I am sorry if I hurt your feelings during ARCA discussion, it was not my intention. No matter the outcome of the proceedings, I look forward to working with you to build better encyclopedia! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:57, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Rockin' Rebel paradox

You removed a reliable source confirming his death on the grounds that no reliable source confirms his death. And you said anyone could re-add it with one, but made it impossible for anyone but admins one minute later. This is a bad call on a few levels.

First, Greg Oliver and Dave Meltzer are not mere fans with opinions and Internet access. They've graduated university and have long professional careers, where they've learned the importance of credibility, good sources, ethics and responsibilities as much as any reporter with similar longevity. Meltzer, particularly, is something like the Knowlton Nash of the wrestling world. If he's comfortable stating their deaths as fact, they're virtually certainly dead.

Second, you're perhaps waiting for something extravagant, like a police press conference or a segment on The National. If so, we may be waiting forever. As you can probably tell from his article and level of news coverage, Rebel was not The Rock, Hulk Hogan or any other transcendent mainstream name. Nor is he close. Even within wrestling fandom, he's oft-forgotten and overlooked. It's entirely likely we'll just have people citing Meltzer citing friends, relatives and co-workers for years to come.

Third, while we're holding Rebel's death to an unusually high standard (and while the couple continues to not debunk the reports on social media), we leave dozens of other reportedly dead people on the Deaths in 2018 list, based on the say-so of friends, relatives or co-workers. Not word from cops, doctors, politicians, judges clergy or whichever other official you might be waiting on here. Why can a couple of art galleries declare Malcolm Morley dead? Or Brechin City FC can call it for John Ritchie (on its self-published website, no less)? Bruce Krison's story names no source at all, but we're not assuming that means he's a living person. Why the double standard for someone else we have no reason to believe isn't dead?

Anyway, I'm not knocking you for it, just saying I think you've made a mistake and might consider fixing it. If not, I guess there's no harm in keeping him alive on Misplaced Pages, just probably a bit confusing to readers who heard he died and Googled their way here to find he didn't. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:49, June 2, 2018 (UTC)

The Walt Disney Company

Thanks for semi-protecting The Walt Disney Company. Pepper Gaming (talk) 21:58, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Update for Rockin' Rebel's death

Hi Ivanvector. As you may know rockin' Rebel and his wife are dead and it says that you updated information a day ago but I only see his date of birth and not the day of his death. Could you at some point update the page? Thanks MaxTraxx 82 (talk) 13:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi MaxTraxx 82, please see the article's talk page. As of yesterday there was an issue that the sources reporting his death were basing their report on speculation, while nothing had been officially confirmed, and we normally do not update articles on people who may have died until there is an official confirmation. Some editors are already discussing the matter on the talk page. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 14:30, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Topic ban violation

Hi Ivanvector. You blocked A. Katechis Mpourtoulis for topic ban violation regarding the Balkans. They are again editing the same pages . Since it is a topic ban violation, not disruptive editing or socking, I do not know what excatly should be done in this case. Can you have a look at it? Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2018 (UTC)