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In the lead it refers to Ilhan Omar as the first refugee elected to the House. It would be accurate to say that she is the first ''Muslim'' refugee elected to the House, but ] (Holocaust survivor) and ] (refugee from Vietnam) were both elected before she was.
In the lead it refers to Ilhan Omar as the first refugee elected to the House. It would be accurate to say that she is the first ''Muslim'' refugee elected to the House, but ] (Holocaust survivor) and ] (refugee from Vietnam) were both elected before she was.
] (]) 19:43, 8 November 2018 (UTC)ssrk419
] (]) 19:43, 8 November 2018 (UTC)ssrk419
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Lead, twitter, Breitbart, etc.
So, as usual Omar is the target of the right-wing loony brigade, this time realized in a series of edits by an IP and Ajackson12. Aside from the fact that Ajackson12 should probably be blocked for POV-pushing & edit warring (including terrible edits across a half-dozen articles), it seems like there are one or two decent sources here (Tablet and Haaretz). (Of course don't support the nuttiest bits.) Obviously inclusion of "look there was a tweet" in the lead section is a no-go. Overall, I think this version by Snooganssnoogans does a pretty good job of using non-garbage sources to record the parts of the events that might actually belong in an encyclopedic biography, with appropriate placement in the article. Although I am dubious of the idea of quoting tweets at all; surely there is a better way to include the information? --JBL (talk) 16:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
It's better to try to work constructively with editors, including those whose politics don't align with ours. Ajackson12 is capable of editing well, with this as one positive example (see WP:WTW). I've got my eye on the situation and will block if it's necessary, but hopefully it isn't necessary. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes well I have no problem with Ajackson12's non-terrible edit. I would like to revise my earlier comment slightly in a different way, though: there is no Haaretz reporting, the Haaretz link is literally just a quote from Tablet, I am going to remove it as a source. --JBL (talk) 18:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I’m in agreement with you here, which is why the lead should stay as it was previously (containing that section) until consensus is reached. Now as to why the accusations of antisemetism should be in the lead- the purpose of the lead is to summarize the article. The article includes accusations of antisemetism, so too should the lead. Furthermore, the current version is well sourced and shows both sides, so there really isn’t a reason why it shouldn’t be in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajackson12 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Incorrect. The article covers Omar's entire biography and political career, of which her criticisms of the Israeli government are just one part. There is no reason to single out just that part for inclusion in the lead.Wukai (talk) 23:42, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
That’s the great thing about Misplaced Pages, you can add the rest! This sentence summarizes a section of the body, if you would like to summarize more sections then you should. And just to confirm, is there an objection to how the sentence is phrased, or just the sentence itself? - Ajackson12 —Preceding undated comment added 07:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Adding the rest would make the lead section too long. It's a short article. There is no need to get into any of her political views in the lead section. They are not usually mentioned in lead sections about politicians anyway. A brief summary of their political career suffices. See Keith Ellison, for example. Wukai (talk) 19:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
1. It won’t make it too long, right now it’s like 4 sentences. 2. This is very noteworthy, most of the coverage around her mentions this controversy. The only reason I can think of as to why it wouldn’t be included is a political bias for Omar, and an attempt to cover up what she’s said. Your previous edits to remove the lead and controversy section and bury the paragraph about this issue in the middle of the early career section only reinforces this. 3. To characterize this as a political view is misleading, it’s about the criticism that her political views have gotten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajackson12 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Criticisms of political views are even less notable than the views themselves. You have given no reason that the lead section should include either, when it is not standard for lead sections to do so. I doubt anyone will agree with you that it should. Certainly the criticism would not be "covered up" as it is described in great, indeed excessive, detail in the article.Wukai (talk) 21:40, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
As the edit warring has continued, I have locked the page for a week. Figure this out without undoing each others' edits. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
It's obvious that this material does not belong in the lead: it's unambiguously undue weight, and piling references that just rehash the same thing (including one of them twice, nice work) doesn't change that. Not really clear why we should pretend the user who keeps edit-warring to keep it in is acting in good faith, either: has anyone else looked at his edit history? --2601:142:3:F83A:530:D291:C75F:BC34 (talk) 23:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
The article currently locks poorly sourced smears into the lede. Admins should fix this immediately. And Ajackson12 should obviously be kicked off Misplaced Pages. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be at least some mention, under her political positions, of her NO vote on a bill against FGM (female genital mutilation). minnesota-bill-against-female-mutilation-raises-opposition? Seems more than relevant given her belief and concerns of others about her. I do not think that qualifies as "right-wing loony" vandalism... and should think this absolutely relevant to feminist voters --Thorsmitersaw (talk) 21:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
This is Misplaced Pages: you can either edit the article directly or propose text on the talkpage for discussion. The article you linked (which is pretty good, and explains the context surrounding the issue in some depth) mentions Omar only once in passing, so it is not much to hang content on. Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the purpose of Misplaced Pages articles on politicians is not to help voters vote the way editors would like, it is to provide encyclopedic biographies of notable people. --JBL (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
A note about the material in this article related to the Arab-Israeli content
By decision of the Arbitration Committee, such material may not be edited anywhere by IPs or by editors with less than 500 edits and (not or) 30 days. They may use talk pages to discuss such material. I mention this because Ajackson12 has been told this by another editor, and it's possible more new editors might try to edit such material (which can be reverted on sight). Doug Wellertalk11:44, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: This material used to be incorporated in a natural way into the "Early career" section -- one major part of Ajackson12's edits here and elsewhere has been creating new sections in order to draw attention to his pet issues. It would be much better to restore the original arrangement (no "Controversy" section, no section with just one subsection, integrated presentation). However, since you've just warned IP editors off, I will not do it myself. --2601:142:3:F83A:38B5:1FB:ECC2:25CB (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
I've just made a bunch of edits that include merging this material into other sections, along the lines suggested by the IP. --JBL (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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The sentence "She is distantly related to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the first Somali member of parliament of a European country." is not sourced and should be removed. No replacement is needed. Yazsh1234 (talk) 03:09, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Edit request: Ilhan Omar is Not the First Refugee in the House
In the lead it refers to Ilhan Omar as the first refugee elected to the House. It would be accurate to say that she is the first Muslim refugee elected to the House, but Tom Lantos (Holocaust survivor) and Joseph Cao (refugee from Vietnam) were both elected before she was.
Ssrk419 (talk) 19:43, 8 November 2018 (UTC)ssrk419
IPs and editors with less than 30 days and 500 edits may not edit material relating to the Arab-Israeli dispute
I'm adding this because it's clearly an issue in the article. This is part of the discretionary sanctions regime at WP:ARBPIA. Such edits can be reverted without counting as ordinary reverts. Serious problems over this can be reported to WP:AE. Doug Wellertalk17:02, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
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Done per WP:BLPSOURCE. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)