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Aceh article edits

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I can certainly understand what you are saying and in all honesty the only reason I thought to make the edit that I made was because of the opinion that I read regarding the interpretation of a God caused incident. It was my intent to be neutral as the point I was trying to make was that if some people perceived this Tsunami as an act of God for not following religious law it is entirely possible that a considerable majority of the rest of the world would have thought the exact opposite way, by which I mean because this region is still forcing a terrible, fear inducing, humiliating to women and counterproductive to the psychological health of innocent human beings set of laws..... Well maybe God hit this region with the Tsunami because of the outdated system of laws being enforced, not because they weren't being followed closely enough. Again it is of course a complicated subject and in reality I wouldn't force an opinion of my interpretation of God into any Misplaced Pages article as they are supposed to be fact based and backed up with legitimate references, but in this case I felt it was reasonable to at least offer an alternative point of view to the opinions that were shown on the page. I'm not certain that erasing my comment was entirely appropriate although perhaps you could have modified it to have been stated in a less harsh way, but facts are still facts and if one group of people who believe the Tsunami struck because people were disobeying God's law there is going to be another group of people who think the Tsunami hit because a group of people so insulted God by having the audacity to think they knew what God would want as law. Be this as it may I am not responsible for this article and I am not a citizen of Indonesia so my frame of reference is not going to be the same as yours, but perhaps it would be advisable to leave my post up because there might be human beings who live in this region who live in fear and terror every day because of an archaic, subhuman system of religious laws being forced upon them in a modern world and perhaps by reading something like an alternative to what is written will be a small step in giving them the courage to stand up for themselves to the point they join together and decide to live under a set of laws that the people decide is best when taking into account their heritage and their history, and hence not have to live in fear that they broke man's interpretation of God's law because that sort of horror is unimaginable to freedom loving hard working good people as I'm sure deep down the majority of people living in Indonesia are Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)Raleigh80Z90faema69

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Bernal biography (not Colombia travelogue)

Please explain why you believe that the Bernal biography is so evidently suited to being a geography lesson THAT IT NEEDS TO BE STATED IN CAPITALS. What exactly is it that is so important about the incidental fact that the place where he was born, but never lived, happens to be the national capital? Why is your trust in the links system so low that you do not think that those who might want to learn more about Bogotá can use the link? And what is your source for the 89%/84% data you called upon? Kevin McE (talk) 20:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

The capital of Colombia is Bogota

Well.... First of all it's a relevant fact, 2nd of all it informs casual enthusiasts who have no knowledge of Colombia what the capital of Colombia is, so by the very act of looking up this guy who they heard won the Tour de France they now have also learned what the capital city of Colombia is.... It's how wikipedia works.... It teaches you things you didn't expect to know while simultaneously giving you the exact information you were looking up..... Comprende hermano..... Muy bueno... Furthermore when someone like seacactus takes the time to write 2,500 characters of relevant information instead of just deleting all of it because it doesn't fit in with what your opinion of the article should be maybe you could have the damn consideration to edit it down a little, or reword some of it, or possibly delete some of it and leave some of it not just decide hey I'm kevinmce and i decide what's important I'm erasing everything.... you know, being really lazy & condescending instead of maybe being polite and helpful by taking 20-30 minutes to edit the edit of another contributor Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 02:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

You plainly don't understand the purpose of wikipedia articles at all. The article should contain information pertinent to the subject, and links allow people to find details of related subjects. So cut the patronising tone, and start trying to make Misplaced Pages better, rather than clogging it up with irrelevant matter, regardless of how true it might be.

And you still haven't provided a source for the percentages you cited, or did you just make them up? Kevin McE (talk) 19:20, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Understanding consequence and choices

Yes indeed fine point on the purpose of Misplaced Pages articles which should always be informative, to the point, properly cited and on every occasion the 100% verifiable truth.... Now the only reason this conversation is taking place is as a consequence to the choices you made when you decided to remove numerous other posts while offering really condescending & unnecessary reasons instead of constructive & or helpful reasons..... It wouldn't be happening otherwise..... And like all other wikipedia users I do not care what you think wikipedia is for any more than I care what Jimmy Wales thinks Misplaced Pages is for.... I care about what I think wikipedia is for, what I use it for, why I read it and bounce from page to link to person to place to thing and as far as edits go there are obviously rules put in place by the rightful owners of this page and personally I take it very seriously and never change a page unless I know the post I'm making can be proven as factual & it is relevant in nature to the page I'm editing. Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 21:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

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1980 Tour finish line photo

The photo that you talked about in the 1980 Tour article () shows Gerrie Knetemann holding Zoetemelk's hand, not Raas. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 21:31, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

And oddly enough he is way way more excited and amazed about what just happened than Zoetemelk is, which makes sense if you've ever seen Knetemann at any finish line where he has won... I'm surprised nobody has fixed it, Misplaced Pages's version of Tour de France history is nothing like French "actual" Tour de France history but it takes time to translate and even find apparently.... And thanks I honestly did not think Knetemann wore glasses that big, plus I could not find an answer anywhere on the internet (didn't know where to look) and it in a blur it looks like Raas. Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 00:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Then this Tour of California thing.... Idk what country your from but it sucks that America kinda sorta almost had a race that seemed like it was starting to actually matter a little bit with all the bigger name riders who didn't want to ride the Giro, and now it's cancelled....apparently it went the way of the Tour de Trump.... Anyways thx again on 1980 Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 01:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for the info.... In fact I use the editing description section as a tool to communicate and have done so rather frequently because in a way I interpreted this description section as a place to have brief discussion on the article being edited.... With this being said I will certainly try to use the talk section for any discussion of substance in the future as I am fairly new to this editing business and am not yet fully familiar with how it all works, but in the case of the Strasburg article.... I mean Jesus God how can an article on one of the biggest stars in the sport be allowed to look so unprofessional for a period of 12 hours? As such I felt I would call out the glaring redundancy to the point that it was either someone not paying attention.... Or might have even been vandalism. Fortunately after I made my remarks someone quickly came along and fixed it. I would have fixed it myself but on that particular page it seemed like it might have been a younger fan doing some of the editing of his or her favorite player and I didn't want to be greedy and write the entire section because there are plenty of other editors out there who like contributing and I was trying to give that person the chance to edit the section into a more professional sounding way. In any case thanks for the clarification and have a pleasant remainder of the year! Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 20:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Hinault & leading every grand tour he ever entered

I posted this on my talk page bc I was going to revert the edit regarding Hinault wearing the leaders jersey in every tour and then try to get a discussion as to why this does or does not matter but I'm going to research more early cycling victory first as it may have been done by a few riders 50, 60, 70 years ago

The reason I made that edit atop Hinault's page is as follows.

1 He wore the leaders jersey in every Grand Tour he ever entered 2 I was unable to find any other time trial/prologue specialist or Grand Tour winning rider, including Bartali, Coppi, Anquetil, Binda, Merckx, Bobet, Thevenet, Gimondi, Visentini, Fignon, Indurain, Delgado, (armstrong), Zoetemelk, Heras, Contador, Nibali, Froome etc.... Who did wear the Leaders Jersey in every grand tour they ever entered 3 if Bernard Hinault is the only rider in the entire history of the sport to do this, it is significant in the sense that it never happened before and will probably never happen again because nobody comes in and dominates the Tour/Vuelta/Giro on their first entry like Merckx, Hinault or Fignon did, not even Egan Bernal.... Of course it could happen that someone will come along and dominate every grand tour they enter, but it hasn't in 40 years. 4 how did nobody else notice this (or) is this not a big deal because who cares if Bernard Hinault had the lead after the prologue in 1984 and then got destroyed by Fignon 5 I'm just saying if only one rider in the entire history of the sport has accomplished something that nobody else.... In the entire history of the sport has ever accomplished.... It becomes significant.... He wore the leaders jersey in 13 grand tours.... More so, considering it's unlikely to happen again in the foreseeable future as the only other riders who could potentially make this claim have yet to ride a Grand Tour. 6 why/how would you source something that is very easy to look up as there are very few other riders to investigate aside from time trial specialists who could have wore yellow early in every Tour, (which Boardman, Dennis, Marie, Knetemann and Tony Martin did not) and dominant GC riders who were good enough to win every Tour, of which Hinault.... Is the only rider in the history of cycling to wear the leaders Jersey in every Grand tour he ever entered Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 14:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Sources

Hey! Thanks for all your edits on Tour de France. But try to add sources for all statements that you make. You can use the template bar on top of the edit window to make it a little bit easier. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks... I only edit on my phone bc I don't have a laptop or PC with internet, so I have to type in the cites after copying and pasting the source webpage.... Good point though, sometimes I think things should be common knowledge in regards to history but you're right most history is not common knowledge.... I went and put a cite in on Anquetil-Poulidor and will do so in the future on edits that aren't easily verifiable stats or numbers Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 12:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Even easily verifiable things have to be sourced. Basically, every statement that is not "Sunday is a day of the week" needs to be sourced. I know, it's a lot, especially on the phone... I'd really recommend to use a computer, since there you can use the templates to add the sources in a proper format, not just the URLs. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:43, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Good comparison on Sunday's.... i need to learn how to cite actual books as well, I've never cited an actual book, only online articles. Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 12:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Additions such as this you made must cite the source where you got the information from. There's no two ways about it, if you don't it will be removed, however important you think it is. The 1998 Tour is undergoing a featured article review and cannot have any unsourced statements. BaldBoris 06:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Boris.... Here's the trouble I'm having with incidents like this, and it's not the first time as I ran into similar issues with the 1990 Tour.... Regarding the morning the Festina team got expelled I watched multiple videos from 1998 which explained how these incidents played out and that's what prompted me to make the edits I made.... The problem I ran into is for whatever reason you can not cite videos as sources on wikipedia.... I've tried and everytime I've used a video as a reference it got removed.... Even though it was a link to the actual tv coverage of the Tour.... Knowing I couldn't use the tv coverage as a reference I went searching Google for news articles regarding Richard Virenque and 1998 but unfortunately American google came up with results for Lance Armstrong and news regarding the 2020 tour none of which was useful.... What should I do in these situations.... The information I added is easily verifiable simply by watching the TV coverage from Paul Sherwen and Phil Liggett.... But if I can't cite The two of them, and I can't find any news articles? Then what? So I didn't include a reference Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 14:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Raleigh80Z90Faema69 and BaldBoris: You can cite those videos, if you really have to, if you find the actual physical videos and the release information on them, but not the YouTube links. TV coverage can not be used as a source, since it is not verifiable. At least not legally. Those videos are on YouTube, yes, but they are there illegally. You cannot link to that and make yourself potentially complicit in copyright infringement! Also, I feel that your edit once more had a problem with wording. You cannot write "held his now infamous emotional press conference where he and the rest of the team grudgingly accepted the expulsion". Who decides that the press conference is "now infamous"? You? Is there a source for that assertion? How do you know Virenque accepted "grudgingly". No source for that either. Please write in a more neutral manner. This is not a journalistic book about the 1998 Tour, it is an encyclopedia. You should probably take a look at Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style#Vocabulary for pointers on what language should be used on Misplaced Pages. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

You see I always thought that youtube videos should be valid sources because by the very act of viewing the video a person knows whether or not the information being cited is legitimate and accurate.... The copyright thing I was under the impression that youtube is incredibly diligent about removing anything that might be copyright infringement but I suppose you're right.... Unless it comes from NBC Sports or directly from the UCI account or a teams account then how can anyone be certain that legal permission to use the footage in question was ever given..... But I have to disagree with you on my edit as there was very good reason for the way I wrote that particular edit.... I used words like grudgingly because the team refused to accept the expulsion initially, then they chose to tell their riders that they could defy the ban and show up for their start time and they met with Tour officials on numerous occasions before grudgingly accepting the expulsion and I would honestly say that Virenque in tears before the press is not exactly taking the expulsion in stride or with ease.... He and they grudgingly accepted it..... Then I used infamous because Virenque was the subject of numerous television skits and a famous puppet show in France even created a Virenque puppet with a bunch of needles sticking out of it as a featured character and that incident of his teary eyed press conference became part of French pop culture and still to this day if you played that press conference video everyone would know what it was from.... In France. I understand the necessity to be neutral and objective for historical purposes but I was trying to be as accurate as possible and give a more accurate and detailed account of the events of that particular day Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 13:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, I'm at an incredible disadvantage being in America Zwerg.... I went hunting and looking for old news reports on google and bing to try to find an article I could cite as a reference yesterday.... The best I could find was a 20years after article from the BBC and cyclingweekly but they only mentioned the big stuff like Voet getting caught at the border crossing, Virenque in tears at the conference and the riders strike when the police started raiding hotels.... The actual substance and detailed info I only found from the TV reports as it was actually happening.... I think both you and Boris are in Europe and you guys have access to far more information on this sport than the search engines in America will ever come up with Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 13:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Raleigh80Z90Faema69: There are plenty of newspaper archives around that you can use, we both do that as well. Delpher for instance, or El Pais's website, so forth. Also, you are actually at an advantage because you could get English-speaking books far easier than I ever could, being in Germany. There are great books on the Giros and Tours of the 70s and 80s, they are on US Ebay, but the guy wants 25 bucks just to ship them to me...

When it comes to the wording, please check WP:EDITORIAL for which kind of words to avoid. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

That's interesting because I've actually found old newspaper articles about some things I've wanted to use including a messed up one about the PDM team from 1991.... And you're right about the books, in fact I learned about the TDF like 15 years ago when I saw 8 Tour De France books about Lance Armstrong at my library and one Tour de France book about the Tour de France Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 08:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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Read edit notes, consider what they tell you about why an article is being edited, and see if you can learn from it. Oh, and don't shout in them: it just makes you look as though you lack rationality. Kevin McE (talk) 17:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not talking to you... You're a petty and childish vandal who attacked every contribution I made over the previous two months because you got mad about something you disagreed with, had a mental breakdown and went stalking my page to seek vengeance Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 17:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)