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Again, welcome! - UtherSRG 04:32, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Ionized. Re our chat a few days back on Talk:Big Bang: I thought I'd let you know that my uni library turned out to have a copy of Arp's Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies so I've taken it out with a view to eventually reading it in full and using it (along with his website and various other sources) as the basis of an article or articles on Arp and his theories. Hope your studies are going well, but if they're not keeping you too busy it'd be nice to have someone pro-Arp around to help keep me NPOV ... What do you think would be best? A single "Halton Arp" article covering the whole lot, or "Halton Arp" being biographical and other articles about the science bits? --Bth 10:32, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC) PS By the way, based on the couple of chapters I've read so far, Arp does seem to reject superluminal jets as being inherently ridiculous, even though they're a natural consequence of near-c motion close to the line of sight. And some of his probability calculations do seem more than a little odd, though I need to run the numbers myself to check my suspicions.

Yes, his probabilities can sometimes come from out of no-where it seems, I don't focus on them too much myself. I am glad you are reading him, most of the people that have addressed me about this reject the idea that they too could simply pick up his books and actually learn, so its good to see you taking the initiative. I think maybe a single article on Arp would suffice, with detailed sections. If the sections get too big, then we either spawn new article, or add to what has already been said by me on the non-standard cosmology and the plasma cosmology pages. If you start it out, I would be happy to contribute. The Arp article should not have an NPOV problem at all, since it would be about his ideas and life, hence they are his points of view, which should be fine in an article about him. If the BB proponents come in and start erasing things, then wars start. It has already happened once, in fact Arp is not discussed on the Plasma cosmology page because someone else failed to understand the connections and moved everything I had said to Non-standard cosm. This, in the end, turned out to be better anyhow, but I still need to go in and reconnect things in the Plasma page. This page was in utter ruin when I found it last year. It is still a mess, and I plan on revamping it this summer. I have attempted to indicate some of what Arp thinks on the Non-standard cosmology page and talk page. But it was in the midst of severe battles with the BB proponents over whether or not it is "encyclopedic" or what-not, hence it is far from complete. You could learn a great deal about Arp by reading my posts on the Non-standard cosmology page (inlcuding the Talk pages) and the Plasma cosmology page (also including the Talk pages). In fact sometimes more is said on the talk pages because the BB proponents refuse to let me add certain things to the articles, because they are stuck in the BB paradigm and are unable to analyze the data from the more proper set of restrictions, hence think it is hocus-pocus. Anyhow, I will be glad to assist in any way possible. take care -Ionized 22:13, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)

I have written to Halton Arp asking for permission to use some of his published diagrams in the non-standard cosmology article. Who was the guy who came up with Flubberizoch?!  :-) Cheers Jon 15:38, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It would be great if Arp added to the page himself as well. I have written him before when I needed advice on a small seminar I gave on the topic. It was user RoadRunner who came up with the Flubberizoch effect, as an excuse to dismiss the Arp quasar correlations. Someone added a lot of good stuff to the page, and a lot of not so good stuff. We will continue to sort it out. good work so far! -Ionized 02:09, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry about the edit conflict, I wasn't sure what to do (still new to this!) but I saw what you changed and added them back in. I suppose a positive way to look at it is that when opponents wade in and add stuff, it makes our work easier as we can refute where possible and incorporate the rest as "theoretical remains to be done to explain X..." or "evidence for Y is inconclusive." Did you like my idea that Arp's QSOs should show a heavy element abundance similar to their associated AGN? If that could be shown, and compared to non-associated quasars, it would be a pretty large nail in the coffin. Perhaps there are subspecies of quasar, some associated with AGN and others that are simply distant AGN? - Jon 03:03, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Permission from Halton Arp

Halton Arp has granted me permission to use some of his diagrams. He points to his new Catalogue of Discordant Redshift Associations and the arXiv article High redshift X-ray QSO near NGC 7319. My email is jon at jon d0t geek d0t nz, if you send me a mail, I'll fwd you the mail. Cheers, Jon 14:02, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

VFD on Laser star hypothesis

• FYI, Laser star hypothesis is on VFD. As you're on the talk page, I thought you'd like to know.

Welcome back!

It's been very interesting lately. Jon 04:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Big Bang

Hey - I noticed you had taken part some discussion of the Big Bang article in the past. I recently stumbled upon it when I was searching for an analysis of the views of big bang supporters and opponents. I was suprised to see that oposing views were not even mentioned in the article. I have tried to rectify that situation by adding a brief summary of the various opposing views and some links, but some people there apparently don't want other viewpoints to even be mentioned. So I thought you might be interested in taking a look at the recent discussion there... Helvetica 08:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Aneutronic fusion

You might be intersted in looking at the group attack occuring at this page. Some of the same people from Plasma cosmology who defend the Big bang are now attacking hydrogen boron fusion with red herrings like radioactive wasste to scare away the non-technical from this technolgy. Have a lookElerner 02:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Aspden

Thank you for your kind message. "Worms" seems to be the right word now; yet I think an opportunity has to be given to them in order that the may become aware of their destructive path. Nothing better than the work of an individual who came from the highest academic background, as you may see in his bio, and who through all his lifetime pursued Truth, not dogma. Let us keep an eye on it, in the article Creation: The Physical Truth too, and see if editor Harald88 may still join and aid us, in what perhaps will became the decisive battle for Science in this new century and millenia we have entered. Best Regards. --Utad3 00:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

May I use your support in order to try to give a clear answer to those "worms"? --Utad3 01:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, depends on what exactly I would be supporting :) Ill check arguments of both sides and give input if I feel a severe mistake is being made. -Ionized 02:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm going to bed :) Enough for today. If allowed, I would advise that you print a copy of both articles... wow, I was not aware that inviduals so educated as them, editing around about physics, maths, etc., could have so little principles. Thanks again for you kind support. Bye. --Utad3 04:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Plasma cosmology

• I'm unable to respond on the Plasma Cosmology page as I've been banned for three weeks. The term is not a neologism, any more than any new scientific term or phrase is a neologism. Wiki requires us to substantiate a term from a reliable source. See for example the following peer reviewed sources on Plasma Cosmology:

• Introduction to plasma astrophysics and cosmology, Anthony L. Peratt Astrophysics and Space Science, Volume 227, Numbers 1-2 / May, 1995. In it, he refers to the IEEE International Conference on Plasma Cosmology, and several other mentions.

• The term is also mentioned in the book "Cosmology and Controversy: The Historical Development of Two Theories of the Universe" by science historian Prof. Helge Kragh (Princeton Univ. Press). This demonstrates primary and secondary sources.
• I think the term "Plasma Universe" is more wide-ranging, and has a longer pedigree than "Plasma Cosmology", see:

• "Model of the plasma universe", Hannes Alfven, IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science, vol. PS-14, Dec. 1986, p. 629-638

• The term is also mentioned in science historian Helge Kragh's book. --Iantresman 11:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)