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Biased article

This article portrait nofap in negative light.this article uphold the feminist,pro porn and radical secularist view.be cautious this article and writer is not neutral on this topic 103.137.160.108 (talk) 09:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

A simpler point is that the article has WP:MAINSTREAM WP:Academic bias, meaning WP:GOODBIAS.

And "feminist" is close to meaningless, if you don't specify what kind of feminism it is (e.g. Marxist, liberal, conservative).

It's a simple point to understand that mainstream science and NoFap are at odds. tgeorgescu (talk) 13:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I think that this article MUST be biased. Firstly, the science simply doesn't say that regular masturbation has no impact on masculinity as this article implies it does. Secondly I believe in science - but you don't even need it for this topic: as a man, you can see for yourself that you get better numbers lifting in the gym and that women like you more when you haven't masturbated for a few weeks. I am genuinely confused that this article so strongly contradicts lived experience: it just doesn't make sense? --New Thought (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not go by lived experience. It goes by mainstream WP:RS.

The idea that masturbation produces illness is itself a symptom of mental illness or religious fanaticism.

And no, masturbation does not deplete testosterone. If anything, it increases the level of testosterone.

A man urinates on average 374 nmol testosterone during 24 hours. The average seminal testosterone level is 47 ng/100 mL. So during 24 hours an average man urinates the testosterone from 65653 ejaculations.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/100318-men-sperm-1500-stem-cells-second-male-birth-control

Alchemical sublimation of unused sperm cells is mystical idiocy. It is literally mysticism (i.e. Taoist alchemy). And alchemy is a pseudoscience.

These are some of the reasons why real scientists don't take NoFap seriously. Psychiatrists don't deny that some people lack self-control when masturbating, but they don't think that masturbation or porn are causes of illnesses. They attribute such condition to preexisting mental illness. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

References

1. Bao, Shihua; Peng, Yifeng; Sheng, Shile; Lin, Qide (2008). "Assessment of urinary total testosterone production by a highly sensitive time-resolved fluorescence immunoassay". Journal of Clinical Laboratory Analysis. 22 (6). Wiley: 403–408. doi:10.1002/jcla.20283. ISSN 0887-8013. PMC 6649076. PMID 19021270.
2. Moreno-escallon, B.; Ridley, A. J.; Wu, Ch. H.; Blasco, L. (1982). "Hormones in Seminal Plasma". Archives of Andrology. 9 (2). Informa UK Limited: 127–134. doi:10.3109/01485018208990230. ISSN 0148-5016. PMID 6890792.
3. "108 microgram / ((47 nanogram/100 milliliter)*3.5milliliter) - Google Search". www.google.com.

New content analysis

"Masturbation abstinence practices have returned to the USA in the form of semen retention communities. Followers on one of these male, anti-masturbation forums, “NoFap,” on Reddit (denoted “r/NoFap”), have engaged in homicidal behaviors that appear to be linked to these sexual beliefs and practices. This study uses a systematic search on r/NoFap and two control forums (r/pornfree, and r/stopdrinking) to define a corpus of violent content. The study's goals were to describe the nature of threats on r/NoFap and suggest whether the violence might be attributable to sexual deprivation or false beliefs that non-sexual targets caused their violent urges. Of the 421 violent posts identified from September 2011 to September 2022, r/NoFap contained the majority (94.3%). Violent threats on r/NoFap mostly targeted pornographers, women, scientists, specific persons, or any person (i.e. homicidal “rage”). Violent threats against r/NoFap’s own followers were growing most quickly. Violent posts were well-supported with upvotes by other followers in r/NoFap. These data are important because NoFap may represent a growing threat for real-world violence." Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795. IntroEggplant (talk) 23:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay, agree. But I'm not performing the edit because there are WP:RULES. You are free to perform the edit yourself, or maybe another editor will do it. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Specific suggested edits for other editors:

"NoFap was founded in June 2011 by Pittsburgh web developer Alexander Rhodes after reading a thread on Reddit about a 2003 study"

is not accurate.

"NoFap was started in 2004 on the BodyBuilding.com forum where men believed it would increase their testosterone

In "Research concerning NoFap forums and followers" add:

A study of NoFap followers identified that the more involved these men were on the forums (e.g., posting more), the greater their depression, anxiety and erectile dysfunction symptoms. Importantly, this is the opposite of other online support forums. NoFap participants report, and appear, to be harmed by participating in the forums.

In "Research concerning NoFap forums and followers" add:

A 2023 study identified two mass murderers in the USA and UK as following NoFap, which precipitated a study of the violent posts in NoFap. In contrast to other forums on Reddit of comparable post numbers and content, NoFap posts were remarkably violent. The most frequent targets were other NoFap followers, whom they threatened to kill if they were to masturbate again. Other targets included pornographers, women, scientists, and specific persons. The authors attribute this to the forum founders, who they noted run Pick-Up-Artist forums and posted pictures of themselves with a lit "Molotov" cocktail on the same platform, which they suggested glorified violence and misogyny by the leadership.

In "Membership" add:

Clinicians have published advice for other clinicians who may be tasked with assisting men exiting NoFap, which they view as a violent misogynist group.

In "Research concerning NoFap forums and followers"

The linguistic database Violent Extremism Risk Assessment identifies the term "NoFap" as a violent term "Driven by moral imperative, moral superiority"

In "Demographics" add:

Followers refer to themselves as the "NoFap Army" and hold regular "wars" online to determine who can abstain from masturbation the longest. Deliganist (talk) 17:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

References

1. Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795.
2. Prause, N., Binnie, J. (22 February 2023). "Iatrogenic effects of Reboot/NoFap on public health: A preregistered survey study". Sexualities: 136346072311570. doi:10.1177/13634607231157070.
3. Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795.
4. Frounfelker, R. L., Johnson‐Lafleur, J., Grenier, C., Duriesmith, D., Rousseau, C. (9 March 2023). ""Between the self and the other": clinical presentation of male supremacy in violent extremists". Behavioral Sciences of Terrorism and Political Aggression: 1–21. doi:10.1080/19434472.2023.2185277.
5. Chan, E. (13 October 2022). "Technology-Facilitated Gender-Based Violence, Hate Speech, and Terrorism: A risk assessment on the rise of the Incel Rebellion in Canada". Violence Against Women. 29 (9): 1687–1718. doi:10.1177/10778012221125495.
6. Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795.

Okay, coming back to this matter: the medical effects of NoFap cannot be discussed due to lacking WP:MEDRS-compliant sources to WP:V such claims. Same applies to antagonistic narcissism producing the belief one is addicted to porn (e.g. PubMed does not have many papers thereupon, so it's unlikely there will be a systematic review indexed for MEDLINE about that). The social-political effects of NoFap are not under such stringent sourcing requirements, so these can be discussed more easily, but I do not endorse repeating the same claims over and over (even if in different words). tgeorgescu (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Biased Article

A mysterious group of users seems to be taking care of this article, preventing any further editing favouring no fap. User Tgioscu seems to be particularly omnipresent in this article, entering an editing war with anyone deleting or changing the current information.

Articles protected, without any vandalism at all. The bias present finds a loophole in Misplaced Pages's rules, since they add defamatory info that's also cited and backed, apparently with people very cult with Misplaced Pages's parameters.

Bias in question makes the article excessively show and back the movement against accusations. Although the sources effectively exist, they are not necessarily true according to the wiki's rules and also they are presented in a way that makes perfectly valid an conflict of interest hidden in Misplaced Pages's orthodoxy.

A new user may come wishing to learn about the movement in a neutral manner as any encyclopedia would be. However, given that the article is subtly build to portrait the movement or group with any pejorative term, including misogynistic, anti Semite, religious fundamentalist, far right wing, conspiracy theorists, although not an explicit tagger, the implications present manage make to have this classification.

Lastly, the scientific validity is build to portrait masturbation as non harmful and anyone opposing it as pseudoscientists. Starting since sexually it has no clear reproductive purpose. Omits studies and possible valid sources stating any harms, causality, correlations and damages from masturbation and porn. Then so, the global amount of sourcing may be a thing, but in this article, the perjury terms are disproportionately bigger against any contrary statement. There more things to point, however, not yet doing that.

I wanna warn of anyone reading this built article of this information and to leave clear proof of it, not breaking any rule of Misplaced Pages while so. I declare it biased and willing to discuss it against anyone disagreeing. Wakatetiwa (talk) 20:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

@Wakatetiwa, A mysterious group of users seems to be taking care of this article Tgioscu seems to be particularly omnipresent or, more likely than a WP:CABAL, a lot of people have this highly vandalised article on their Watchlist, with tgeorgescu simply responding before other editors (and in a way that they mostly agree with). a loophole in Misplaced Pages's rules, since they add defamatory info that's also cited and backed Almost like that's not a loophole, but just the way policy is defined—to prefer WP:Reliable sources over editor's own feelings (see WP:NPOV generally and WP:DUE, WP:FRINGE, WP:BALANCE, WP:FALSEBALANCE specifically). Most of the rest of this wall of text can be answered with a request for you to give us some equally reliable sources that present your preferred point of view. And lastly, specify with regard to build portrait masturbation as non harmful and as pseudoscientists studies stating any harms, as a medical claim, you'll need to provide WP:MEDRES-compliant sources for that. Many thanks in advance. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 21:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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