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== Why does AFC have their number of hosts 2 (not counting Saudi Arabia 2034) but every other confederation counts future tournaments? == |
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Like Africa counts South Africa 2010 and Morocco 2030 as 2 in total and North America has 4 (counting the upcoming 2026) but AFC only counts Japan/Korea 2002 and Qatar 2022, not counting Saudi Arabia 2034 ] (]) 03:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm wondering why it's called FIFA World Cup? I was looking for stats on the men's world cup hosts and couldn't find the article for men's world cup, just the general FIFA World Cup. But it's confusing cos there is a separate Women's World Cup wiki entry. They're both good quality imo, just the naming of the titles is kinda confusing. What do others think? I'm not a feminist or anything lol I just don't get why it's not just called Men's world cup? If that's what people are interesting in finding info about, they would search that right? ] (]) 10:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:That's something you'd have to ask FIFA. They refer to the tournaments as the FIFA World Cup and the FIFA Women's World Cup, so we do too. Hope that helps. – ]] 11:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC) |
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The table in the section "Attendance" shows the commands "align=left" in the rows 2026, 2030, and 2034, in the last two columns. ] (]) 21:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:By the way, if you search for ], it takes you to the ] page anyway, so you shouldn't have had any trouble finding what you were searching for. Are you sure you're not trying to stir the pot? – ]] 11:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== I believe "World Cup" should redirect here == |
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== Links to match reports == |
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like ]/], or ]/] ] (]) 06:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Didn't know where else to post this but many of the links to FIFA match reports from past tournaments seem to redirect to Fifa's homepage. From what I can see Fifa has moved and updated the pages. Hundreds of links are now potentially useless. ] (]) 18:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Firestar47}} I looked for an example. ] links the first match Brazil–Scotland to the broken https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/france1998/matches/match/4000/ (don't click if you are epileptic). I found an apparent replacement at https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup/1998france/match-center/4000. So they changed many parts of the url but it may be systematic changes making it possible to guess replacements. I tried another example. ] links the first match to https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/southafrica2010/matches/match/300061454/. The same changes would produce https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup/2010southafrica/match-center/300061454. That fails, but it works if a hyphen is inserted in south-africa: https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup/2010south-africa/match-center/300061454. I'm not planning to fix these links but this may help somebody willing to work on it. ] (]) 19:35, 2 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::Nice work. Ideal thing really would be if someone higher up did a program to change all the links in one go. ] (]) 19:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::2038 Fifa World Cup |
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:::Held In New Zealand ] (]) 16:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Si deme datos lugar i métodos de pago icuanti tiempo más trasporte ] (]) 02:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC) |
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' <small>(])</small> ''']''' (]) 17:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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] → {{no redirect|FIFA Men's World Cup}} – No ]; the ] is also widely referred to as the "World Cup". For example, , , , , , , , etc. This can also be seen in ; people are overwhelmingly using "World Cup" rather than "Women's World Cup". The proposed title would also be ] with ]. If this move is successful, a dab page would be created here. ] (]) 10:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:<small>Note: ], ], and ] have been notified of this discussion. ] (]) 10:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Oppose''' I'm always one for equality, but even just looking at the official names for the tournament the men's tournament is "FIFA World Cup" while the women's official name is "FIFA Women's World Cup", so the Consistent argument doesn't hold as the pages are currently titled matching their official names. If it was FIFA World Cup (women), then the Consistency argument would hold, but it's not the official name. ] also holds here. During an active women's world cup, it's fairly reasonable to assume that discussions about a current tournament is the women's one, given its the active one. However, during a non-active time, it is more likely to be referred as a women's world cup, when not specifically obvious (ie. during a discussion on women's football, the WWC is usually assumed) ] (]) 10:46, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*:{{tq|is "FIFA World Cup" while the women's official name is "FIFA Women's World Cup", so the Consistent argument doesn't hold as the pages are currently titled matching their official names}} ]; we don't title our articles based on official names, so which one of them is the official name isn't relevant to assessing the primary topic and ]. ] (]) 10:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong oppose.''' Very few sources use "FIFA Men's World Cup". ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 12:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''', the two events are nothing alike and there is a clear primary topic. ] (]) 13:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''', clearly fails ]. ] (]) 15:48, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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}The world cup is one of the strongest and viewable event of all time} ] (]) 14:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> The lead already says {{tq|The World Cup is the most prestigious association football competition in the world, as well as the most widely viewed and followed sporting event in the world.}} ] (]) 16:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per above comments. ] (]) 15:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong oppose''', per ] and ] ] (]) 18:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per ] of the tournament. The tournament featuring men's sides is more commonly called the World Cup, and the tournament featuring women's sides is more commonly called the Women's World Cup. It's a clear example of ], but there is a clear primary topic for the term "World Cup" and the proposed change feels like a case of ]. A hatnote should suffice to clear up any confusion. ] (]) 19:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per above. ] (] | ]) 21:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - however this may be reconsidered in the future in the case of the women's variety continuing to have more popularity as it is currently going. ] (]) (]) 16:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - As much as anyone might not like it, the men's tournament is not called the FIFA Men's World Cup. – ]] 17:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' as above, this is neither official or common name. When you say 'World Cup' in a soccer context, people think about this. The women's tournament does not compare. ]] 17:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' men's event is the clear primary topic. ]] (]) 19:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' ]. I think it's coming, especially with the current popularity of the women's tournament. But it's not the ] yet. ] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">]</span>'' 22:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*:*'''Oppose''' I completely agree with Sporting Flyer and others. Encyclopædias are designed for easy reference, and at the moment, readers will look for "World Cup" or "FIFA World Cup" rather than "FIFA Men's World Cup", just as they will look for ] rather than ]. Cf. ] (PGA) vs. ] (LPGA). |
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*:] (]) 17:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*::I mean, I typed in "World Cup" today looking for the currently ongoing World Cup (not this topic) and found it immediately... ] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">]</span>'' 22:10, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''SNOW oppose''' Not a ]. — ''']''' {] • ]} (she/her) 23:44, 13 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''', It is clearly stated that the official international tournament as "FIFA World Cup" for the senior's men's team, plus this IS the primary topic. |
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*'''SNOW Oppose''', PRIMARY.--] (]) 08:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*:Oppose per Snowman, Iggy and Joseph. ] (]) 10:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per primary topic/official name. ] (]) 12:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong oppose''', until such a name change is made by FIFA, Misplaced Pages has to reflect the facts and the current official name. Wiki should not be used as a platform to provide pressure or advocacy for certain changes. ] (]) 15:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Attendances == |
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*'''Support''': Go to the source: the FIFA website (https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup) is inconsistent - header is FIFA World Cup™, but immediately below it says "Taking place quadrennially, the FIFA Men's World Cup™". ] (]) 19:27, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*:The inclusion of 'men's' in the link is simply for clarity purposes (in this case to avoid confusion with the women's tournament), this does not represent the official name of the tournament. For now, that argument is infufficient, so my opinion is '<nowiki/>'''oppose'''' ] (]) 22:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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I had previously moved the table of attendance figures to "]". It had then been readded here by ], and now I moved it again. |
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:'''Oppose (for now)''' - At this point in time, the competition is usually only referred to by FIFA as simply 'FIFA World Cup', and this differs to the women's world cup. Unless FIFA change this and start referring to the competition as 'men's world cup', the move should not go ahead at this point in time. ] (]) 21:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong support''' Just because FIFA and others are still, bluntly, misogynistic, does not mean that Misplaced Pages should be. Remember, WP rules are advice only, amenable to change. I confess that I find it disturbing that I am apparently the only person to support this! ] (]) 12:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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**You're the only one because the proposal is, frankly, ludicrous. The tournament is not called the FIFA Men’s World Cup, and Misplaced Pages reflects reality the way it is, not the way you wish it were. – ]] 13:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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In a general article like this one, information should be added either if it is a defining characteristic of the subject or if it is statistically significant in some way. While this is neither: every tournament has to have a total and an average attendance and one or more most attended games. Also the size and detail of that table is quite disproportionate to the overall scope of the article. --] (]) 03:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Fifa world cup isn’t just a competition between the senior men's national teams of the members of the Fédération Internationale de Football Association, but also for women. |
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The women page is called "fifa womens world cup" VS "fifa world cup". Yes these two cups have diffent history and happend at different times so it would be correct to have two different pages, but if it’s a page about fifa world cup in general and it’s history it would be innacurate to say it’s just a competition between men. ] (]) 18:48, 20 August 2023 (UTC) |
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: There's a separate article for the women's event: ]. We don't need one combined article for two separate events with different histories. ]] (]) 20:04, 20 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Why does AFC have their number of hosts 2 (not counting Saudi Arabia 2034) but every other confederation counts future tournaments? == |
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Like Africa counts South Africa 2010 and Morocco 2030 as 2 in total and North America has 4 (counting the upcoming 2026) but AFC only counts Japan/Korea 2002 and Qatar 2022, not counting Saudi Arabia 2034 ] (]) 03:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Like Africa counts South Africa 2010 and Morocco 2030 as 2 in total and North America has 4 (counting the upcoming 2026) but AFC only counts Japan/Korea 2002 and Qatar 2022, not counting Saudi Arabia 2034 142.113.207.182 (talk) 03:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
The table in the section "Attendance" shows the commands "align=left" in the rows 2026, 2030, and 2034, in the last two columns. Grawiuton (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
In a general article like this one, information should be added either if it is a defining characteristic of the subject or if it is statistically significant in some way. While this is neither: every tournament has to have a total and an average attendance and one or more most attended games. Also the size and detail of that table is quite disproportionate to the overall scope of the article. --Theurgist (talk) 03:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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