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:... and see here ] for context. ] (]) 07:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
::I've tried! There seems to be a history of getting things not quite right around Zonca. ]] 11:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Louise Glover ==

I don't think you understand ]. I realized almost all of the "multiple references" used were, in fact, the same article posted without credit throughout the internet (so, functionally, the same reference). I found an article that at least appears to give credit, and used that in a way that made it transparent that it was the same article/reference. ] ] ] 13:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

:@] But if you reduce it all to one local paper, "Former nude Playboy model and Loughton resident ...", it gives a very different impression. And not all the detail is present in each version: the first ref (though its date looks dubious, I admit) is the one which gives detail of the two previous incidents. Given that someone wants to delete the article altogether, making this section appear as if "only the local paper covered it, no wider interest" seems a step to the section being deleted completely. The very fact of coverage in several sources (Mirror, Sky, and two separate articles in the Brighton paper), seems significant. ]] 13:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] The AfD is over now. The article isn't getting deleted. if the section were deleted, it might actually be more compliant with the BLP policy, anyways. The first article having dubious is actually a reason to not use it. ] ] ] 14:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
:: @] In regard to that section though, is the subject of the article really still a high-profile individual? I agree that notability has been established. But, if the subject is low-profile, then only information directly relevant to their notability should be included per the BLP guidelines. The criminal convictions aren't relevant to their original reason for notability. They may have been a high-profile individual at the time, but that can change. "Many Misplaced Pages articles contain material on people who are not well known, regardless of whether they are notable enough for their own article. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to the person's notability, focusing on high-quality secondary sources." and "Material that may adversely affect a person's reputation should be treated with special care". ] (]) 15:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@] I guess I take a more moderate approach, in that a few, well-sourced sentences about a criminal conviction at the end of an article isn't going to tarnish Glovers' reputation enough to justify a potentially prolonged argument. We could, potentially, even go down to one sentence: "Glover was convicted of assaulting a DJ. " After all, the assault and resulting criminal issues did happen, and it's not defamation to point that out.
:::The problem is the apparent determination that ''any'' shortening of the article could very well result in the deletion of it. On a website where stubbification is not a form of deletion but rather an alternative to deletion*, that doesn't make sense.
:::(*As an aside, I'm surprised stubbification isn't listed on ]. I've used it as an alternative to deletion several times; basically, a milder form of ]). ] ] ] 17:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
::::@] {{ping|Svenska356}}, this discussion should be visible to all on the article's talk page not scattered around many User talk pages. But I'm surprised that editors trying to minimise the negative aspects of her story haven't done much to include the positive ( a chunk of which was recently removed). I had a go this morning. ]] 17:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::Good point. Maybe we should continue on Talk:Louise Glover and link to the other discussions. ] ] ] 17:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@] I agree that it should be added to the talk page. Sorry, that was my bad in terms of my attempted addition. I am not too experienced when it comes to doing that. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</small>
::::::''Context to above post: this entire section had been copied and pasted to ] with no explanation to show that it was not native to that page: I reverted. ]] 14:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)''

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Dear @],
Any help you could give with the ] page would be really appreciated. Someone in California seems to have taken exception to it, but it is a genuine campaigning organisation to increase female representation in parliament. I have tried to update the references according to guidelines, and it would be great if those notices could be removed.
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:@] In the interest of full transparency, I'm watching this talk page and am the "person from California" you're talking about. ] ] ] 15:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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:@] I'm not clear, looking at the article, whether "Centenary Action" and "Centenary Action Group" are the same thing. Is it an organisation of individuals, or an joining-together of many organisations?
:The sections on "Campaign successes" and "Media coverage" are, to be honest, a mess. Take the first one: you've linked a chunk of text as an external link, that isn't how it's done. You've duplicated the same link as a reference. That ref supports the fact that IPSA makes provision for parental leave, certainly. But it doesn't mention Centenary Action. There is nothing to support the fact that CA had anything to do with this. You need to find references in ] (ie not CA's own website or publications) which explicitly state that it was campaigning by CA which led, at least in part, to the change. And the same for all your other points in those two sections.
:Yes, I'm sure CA is a good and worthy group fighting a necessary battle, but this article hasn't yet got much evidence of the coverage in ] which is needed for it to be a worthy encyclopedia article. That's why I suggested "Draftifying" it: putting it into the "Draft" space so that you and other editors could polish it up, add sources etc, without it being vulnerable to deletion as being inadequately sourced to show notability. Whether by editors from across the pond or not.
:Here's one article, for a start:
::{{cite news|url=https://www.stylist.co.uk/visible-women/womens-representation-politics-uk-mps-sexism-culture/184336 | work=] | title=Toxic culture is “actively putting women off” entering politics, say campaigners | first=Moya | last=Crockett | date=2017 | access-date=25 October 2024}}
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::@] There's also the issue of ]. Somewhere along the way you said that some text you had added to the article which was removed as copyright was OK because it had been added by the person who'd written it on their site (or words to that effect: I'm not going to chase up to find just where). That suggests that you are a volunteer or employee of CA, if you are writing their website. Please clarify your relationship to the organisation, after reading ] and ]. Thanks. ]] 16:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Pam,
:::I think Kps2015 said the thing about the copyright at the AfD. And thanks, I've been trying to point to notability policies (which, more or less, boil down to reliable sourcing). I'm okay with draftification, but ] technically disallows unilaterally moving an article to draftspace more than once (''maaaybe'' even if the person doing is has a COI? It's hard to tell). My intuition tells me this would be unilaterally moved back if I did that, anyways, so it's not worth my time. ] ] ] 17:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi Pam. Yes, that is correct, I have been asked by the organisation to put up the page on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 13:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help with this @]
::The organisation is called "Centenary Action". See its website - https://centenaryaction.org.uk/.
::It is a membership organisation. The members are listed on its website.
::I take your point about references and I will go back to the organisation to ask for more information.
::Yes, I am happy for the page to be moved to draft if that is the right thing to do. ] (]) 13:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@] What is your connection with CA? A volunteer, an employee, or what? You seem to have said that you wrote material on their website. ]] 13:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)


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please add db-author deletion template to this redirect page ].


:I reached out because you participated at ] and had concerns about a possible conflict of interest. ] (]) 07:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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::@] Any reason why you can't do it yourself? ] ] ] 03:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
:@] Redirects are different and the dba CSD isn't an option. But I've CSD'd it under "required for a noncontroversial move". The page will take some careful editing, to preserve its previous description with 3 awards (archived page needed) while describing current award which seems to be just one novel. ]] 06:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::With hindsight, it would probably have been quicker to use "Request move" anyway, especially given the time of night! ]] 06:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::Looking again, no, it's fine as is. Not just a novel, my misreading. They don't seem to offer any definition of scope or criteria! ]] 06:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Major conflict of interest

I want to bring to your attention a few pages where I believe there is a major conflict of interest or paid editing. These include the pages for Dipali Goenka, Manish Kejriwal, and B. K. Goenka (deleted multiple times). All three pages are of poor quality, and it’s worth noting that the first two were moved into the namespace by the same user ID. The last page was similarly moved into the namespace, possibly by a related ID, and the subject is Dipali Goenka's husband. What should we do about it? TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

I reached out because you participated at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dipali Goenka (2nd nomination) and had concerns about a possible conflict of interest. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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