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== Centenary Action page ==


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Any help you could give with the ] page would be really appreciated. Someone in California seems to have taken exception to it, but it is a genuine campaigning organisation to increase female representation in parliament. I have tried to update the references according to guidelines, and it would be great if those notices could be removed.


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:Police commissioner logo changes per commissioner, so this has been superseded. ]] 08:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:@] In the interest of full transparency, I'm watching this talk page and am the "person from California" you're talking about. ] ] ] 15:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:@] I'm not clear, looking at the article, whether "Centenary Action" and "Centenary Action Group" are the same thing. Is it an organisation of individuals, or an joining-together of many organisations?
:The sections on "Campaign successes" and "Media coverage" are, to be honest, a mess. Take the first one: you've linked a chunk of text as an external link, that isn't how it's done. You've duplicated the same link as a reference. That ref supports the fact that IPSA makes provision for parental leave, certainly. But it doesn't mention Centenary Action. There is nothing to support the fact that CA had anything to do with this. You need to find references in ] (ie not CA's own website or publications) which explicitly state that it was campaigning by CA which led, at least in part, to the change. And the same for all your other points in those two sections.
:Yes, I'm sure CA is a good and worthy group fighting a necessary battle, but this article hasn't yet got much evidence of the coverage in ] which is needed for it to be a worthy encyclopedia article. That's why I suggested "Draftifying" it: putting it into the "Draft" space so that you and other editors could polish it up, add sources etc, without it being vulnerable to deletion as being inadequately sourced to show notability. Whether by editors from across the pond or not.
:Here's one article, for a start:
::{{cite news|url=https://www.stylist.co.uk/visible-women/womens-representation-politics-uk-mps-sexism-culture/184336 | work=] | title=Toxic culture is “actively putting women off” entering politics, say campaigners | first=Moya | last=Crockett | date=2017 | access-date=25 October 2024}}
:]] 15:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] There's also the issue of ]. Somewhere along the way you said that some text you had added to the article which was removed as copyright was OK because it had been added by the person who'd written it on their site (or words to that effect: I'm not going to chase up to find just where). That suggests that you are a volunteer or employee of CA, if you are writing their website. Please clarify your relationship to the organisation, after reading ] and ]. Thanks. ]] 16:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Pam,
:::I think Kps2015 said the thing about the copyright at the AfD. And thanks, I've been trying to point to notability policies (which, more or less, boil down to reliable sourcing). I'm okay with draftification, but ] technically disallows unilaterally moving an article to draftspace more than once (''maaaybe'' even if the person doing is has a COI? It's hard to tell). My intuition tells me this would be unilaterally moved back if I did that, anyways, so it's not worth my time. ] ] ] 17:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi Pam. Yes, that is correct, I have been asked by the organisation to put up the page on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 13:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::::@] Asked? Paid? Please read ] and ]. ]] 13:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks Pam. I have added a declaration to the talk section of the page.
:::::Can you let me know if there is any other objection to the page than the "Campaign Successes" section. If I delete it, will the page be OK? ] (]) 14:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::@] You were told six days ago about the requirement to declare being a paid editor. If you're taking money to do something, you should learn how to do it properly and not rely on the good will of volunteer editors to clean up your work. I'm sure CA is a worthy cause but I'm finished with doing the work you're being paid to do. ]] 16:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@] I am trying to get clarity on what particular part of the page there is objection to. Reading between the lines, it seems that it is just the "Campaign Successes" section. If that is the case, I am happy to delete that section until I have further references.
:::Is there any objection to the rest of the page? ] (]) 13:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help with this @]
::The organisation is called "Centenary Action". See its website - https://centenaryaction.org.uk/.
::It is a membership organisation. The members are listed on its website.
::I take your point about references and I will go back to the organisation to ask for more information.
::Yes, I am happy for the page to be moved to draft if that is the right thing to do. ] (]) 13:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@] What is your connection with CA? A volunteer, an employee, or what? You seem to have said that you wrote material on their website. ]] 13:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::::@] Hi Pam.
::::I had no involvement with Centenary Action's website. They provided me the text to create their Misplaced Pages page. So, yes, I do have a conflict, but all I am trying to get up is a factual description of what the organisation does. ] (]) 13:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@] The objection I'm having is lack of sourcing about Centenary Action specifically (and not just the founder), creating concern that there might be a claim of "inherited notability" from said founder to the organization. Also, the copyright violation, but that's been cleared up. ] ] ] 18:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)


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:I meant this redirect page ] (]) 01:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] Any reason why you can't do it yourself? ] ] ] 03:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
:@] Redirects are different and the dba CSD isn't an option. But I've CSD'd it under "required for a noncontroversial move". The page will take some careful editing, to preserve its previous description with 3 awards (archived page needed) while describing current award which seems to be just one novel. ]] 06:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::With hindsight, it would probably have been quicker to use "Request move" anyway, especially given the time of night! ]] 06:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::Looking again, no, it's fine as is. Not just a novel, my misreading. They don't seem to offer any definition of scope or criteria! ]] 06:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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  • On 1 January 2025, a one-month backlog drive for new pages patrol will begin in hopes of addressing the growing backlog.
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Orphaned non-free image File:Lancashire Police & Crime Commissioner, Clive Grunshaw.png

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 04:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Police commissioner logo changes per commissioner, so this has been superseded. PamD 08:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Happy holidays!
Wishing you a Merry Christmas filled with love and joy, a Happy Holiday season surrounded by warmth and laughter, and a New Year brimming with hope, happiness, and success! 🎄🎉✨ Baqi:) (talk) 10:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Women in Red January 2025

Women in Red | January 2025, Vol 11, Issue 1, Nos 324, 326, 327, 328, 329


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  • Celebrate WiR's 20% achievement by adding {{User:ForsythiaJo/20%Userbox}} to your user page.

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Vote!

Dear @PamD, I noticed you’ve contributed to the Pawan Reley article. It’s currently under a deletion discussion, and your input would be highly valuable. Please consider sharing your thoughts on the discussion page. Thankyou! 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 03:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 66

The Misplaced Pages Library: Books & Bytes
Issue 66, November – December 2024

  • Les Jours and East View Press join the library
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Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Me (DragonofBatley). Thank you. Tarlby 22:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Major conflict of interest

I want to bring to your attention a few pages where I believe there is a major conflict of interest or paid editing. These include the pages for Dipali Goenka, Manish Kejriwal, and B. K. Goenka (deleted multiple times). All three pages are of poor quality, and it’s worth noting that the first two were moved into the namespace by the same user ID. The last page was similarly moved into the namespace, possibly by a related ID, and the subject is Dipali Goenka's husband. What should we do about it? TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

I reached out because you participated at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dipali Goenka (2nd nomination) and had concerns about a possible conflict of interest. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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