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== Buccaneers–Eagles rivalry == |
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== ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2024 == |
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Not necessarily saying the article should have been kept, but I noticed your comment {{tq|The couple of keep-leaning comments, and the sources presented by said comments, were refuted by noting their lack of independence. Alvaldi's comment at 20:08 7 January 2025 is a nice summation of this.}} I think its worth noting that Alvaldi said to ''keep'' the article on the basis that there was enough independent, in-depth sources for notability (cited <small> (2024), (2009), (2003), (2003).</small>). There were a few other sources that were non-independent that were presented, but a good number of them were actually independent. ] (]) 03:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC) |
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<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> {{Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2024-12-24}} </div><!--Volume 20, Issue 18--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * ''']''' * ] * ] * ] (]) 00:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Sent via script (]) --></div></div> |
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:Yes I agree, but the two sentences are somewhat separate - the attempted refbombing of the debate, Alvaldi aside, were of sources that are "probably perfectly fine to use them in the article to source some facts, but as they are not independent sources so they do not help establish that the article passes WP:GNG which is needed for it not to be deleted" (to use Alvaldi's words). Josh and yourself showed a consensus that Alvaldi's sources were marginal, and Alvaldi (funnily enough, despite !voting keep) refuted the attempted refspam by KatoKungLee. Have to make this sentiment more obvious. Cheers, ] (]) 04:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::PS: Happy to restore to draft for further work if so desired, anyone please let me know. Thanks, ] (]) 04:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC) |
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== ] == |
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== Question About Formal Tone and AI Concerns == |
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Its 3am here and I was about to vote for deletion on this while typing my rationale, but I see that you've already closed it. If you think it would make a difference, I kindly request you to reopen it for a day. This XfD is very similar to ], which was taken to DRV and reopened. Subsequently, two editors were blocked. ] (]) 22:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Hi Daniel, |
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:], STONEX was reopened because it was closed by a non-administrator (very different reason). I'll reopen it on the basis you're about to offer a contrarian view to the close (and the closed was based off no participation), please vote ASAP as it may be closed by anyone else. Thanks, ] (]) 22:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::Thank you for reopening it. I have made my comment and hope it makes a difference. By similar, I meant that the vague votes cast by the driveby voters were similar to those in StoneX. ] (]) 22:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for commenting so quickly — it removes the justification for my original no consensus close (no really significant participation since the last relist), so makes it a good decision to reopen. Cheers, ] (]) 23:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC) |
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== ''The Signpost'': 15 January 2025 == |
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I just wanted to ask, does using a formal tone in my responses mean I'm using AI? I’ve been trying to keep my responses clear and respectful, but I didn’t realize that could be seen as AI-generated. |
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Is it a problem to write in a more formal style here, or does that automatically raise concerns about using AI? I'm just trying to understand what's expected. |
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Thanks for your input! ] (]) 20:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Two (out of two I checked) of your posts came up as 90% AI-written according to the AI detector I used (which is falliable, but that's such a coincidence). Further, the subheadings that you used were distinctive of AI-generated messages. I still believe you were using AI to generate those two messages. (By contrast, this message registers 0%.) ] (]) 22:22, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Also, . ] (]) 22:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::What's the current guidance on blocking AI trolling, which this clearly is? ] (]) 23:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I don't feel good about feeding back the "tells" either ("subheadings") ] (]) 23:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::There's no automatic prohibition in project-space, so it needs to be judged through the lens of general disruption. The use of subheadings is both a tell but also part of the disruptive nature of LLM-generated projectspace postings, so I don't think it's fair to say "you're being disruptive" but not explain ''how'' it's disruptive. ] (]) 00:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::In response to your fairness objection, I think it's wrong to knowingly assist in calibration of such models. We don't feed trolls, we shouldn't tutor AIs. ] (]) 00:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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==AFDs== |
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Hello, Daniel, |
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I know you needed to take a break from admin responsibilities and I probably feel like that every week! But it's great to see you back, helping out in AFDLand. You've been missed in our regular rotations of AFD closers. Glad to have you back! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 06:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks Liz! Yesterday and today have been reasonably quiet for me so thought I'd jump in and help out. Life gets busy again tomorrow for a few weeks but I'll do whatever I can to help! Cheers, ] (]) 06:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Hougang knife attack AfD == |
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Hello, I wanted to ask about the close at ]. You found that the consensus of the !voters was to merge the article, but none of the !voters supported a merge. ] (]) 23:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi ], that seems odd — I agree, it should definitely be "redirect" rather than "merge". Fortunately in this situation a redirect is simply a merge with no content copied, so no really big changes. I'll go and update the close and the paperwork accordingly. Thanks for the heads-up, ] (]) 08:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC) |
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