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== March 14, 1938 ==
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I am sorry I got stuck making this edit, but perhaps the editors can help. The problem with the original write up is that it is factually inaccurate and does not correspond to the referenced declaration of the Slovak Parliament. In the below I provide a new text, with two references: a Cambridge University Press book and an AEPress book, with detailed accounts of the participants of the events by a renowned historian.
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Original: In the lead up to World War II, ...., Reference 11
You're invited to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: ]. Thanks/] 13:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


Proposed: In the lead-up to ], ] exploited the geopolitical situation, including the ], the pragmatism of the Western powers, and the fragility of the security situation in Slovakia, to pressure Slovak leaders to declare independence to establish the first ] as a ] under its control.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-05-28 |title=The Slovak Dilemma |url= https://books.google.at/books?id=ODk8AAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA1&ots=5yZUxKXs9J&dq=the%20slovak%20dilemma%20steiner&lr&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=the%20slovak%20dilemma%20steiner&f=false|website=OUP |language=en}}</ref> <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-05-28 |title=Vznik Slovenského štátu. 14. marec 1939. Spomienky aktérov historických udalostí. 1. Diel |url= https://is.muni.cz/publication/836228/cs/Vznik-Slovenskeho-statu-14-marec-1939-spomienky-akterov-historickych-udalosti/Bystricky-Letz-Podolec|website=AEPRess|language=sk}}</ref>
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== Landlocked country, landlocked state ==
Who thinks that we shouldn't talk about the ] in the Slovakia article? ] 08:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


I would like to remove "landlocked country" remark, as it is the repetition of already mentioned landlocked state in the previous sentence. It doesn't sound good when same things are repeated several times. Can you just leave the word "country" instead. Thank you. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:03, November 4, 2011 (UTC)</small>
:Now, if you'll excuse me, I don't think we shouldn't talk about Beneš decrees and about its impacts today (last days confirm that), but currently I think there is too much emphasis on it. Because if we're talking about Beneš decrees in such detail, so we should on Magyarization. What I expect from this is ''no harassment'' for my opinion. ] <sup>]/]/]</sup> 08:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


== History in Infobox ==
::But these were not even mentioned in the history section! You think the Beneš decrees are not important in the history of Slovakia (actually even today, if you exactly know what I mean)? And you call someone a vandal for putting info back? ] 08:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


The country infobox serves to briefly provide basic information. The same is true for the part involving history.
:::Maybe I overreacted, as Beneš decrees are quite key event (why the Germans then disappeared), but what I didn't like is the removal of uncontroversial content and inserting POV wording, and that's frowned upon. And impact today – last days speak for themselves. But I question this - do you think that two opposing sides here can negotiate neutrality? Again, no harassment please. ] <sup>]/]/]</sup> 09:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
However, this is not currently the case in this article. This section does not show the basic historical events crucial to statehood, but the whole historical discourse.
This is not right and no other country's Infobox has it. Note that there are 10 historical events with lots of parentheses and notes. Compared to Germany, which has a much longer statehood, for which 5 events are enough. Simply compared to any other country - this Infobox in wiki article about a country is crazy and unprecedented. Not to mention that there is a historical event about the state (Slovak state during WW2), to which the current Slovakia does not reference politically or legally, and therefore it is not an event in its statehood. Therefore, I perform standardization with really basic and key events, not the whole discourse.--] (]) 07:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
: Opposite. If, it is very big problem for You, the section can be ]. ✍️ ] (]) 08:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
: Opposite. Every country has different kind of history, you cant remove important facts in infobox about Slovak history to only few basic points, just because you dont like how many information it has. The infobox is without change for many months and it looks like you are the only one editor who has problem with that. You constantly removing map - Slovakia on the globe, informations about Slovak history and also even anthem from infobox (thats pure vandalism). Please stop with your disturbing edits. ] (]) 20:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
:I would also support removing the First Slovak Republic from the establishment history section. ] and ]'s articles don't include their respective Axis collaborationist governments in the establishment history section, so I don't see a reason to include a similar government in this page's infobox's establishment history section. ] (]) 02:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
:Opposite. The First Slovak Republic didn't come to being as a result of a 'simple' ruling party change. It was the first Slovak country. ] (]) 13:40, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


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::::You mean right now for this question? Can you propose an even shorter version that still talks about the impacts today?<br>
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::::We can wait for others' reaction too if you will. ] 09:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
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:::::Possibly into this: "The part dealing ... ... has become a controversial issue in today's politics". I think we will just wait. ] <sup>]/]/]</sup> 09:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
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== Slovakia ==
In my opinion, the history overview in this article should be kept brief and Benes decrees do not seem to me important enough to be included. Moreover, any meaningful NPOV discussion of Benes decrees would need at least a paragraph. Btw, despite the unnecessary and heated debate among some politicians today, there were no Benes decrees enacted in Slovakia (the Slovak National Council promulgated similar acts), Germans were evacuated before the end of WWII (unlike in the Czech Republic, from where they were expelled after WWII) and Hungarians were returned the citizenship soon afterwards. I believe it is not the purpose of Misplaced Pages to support national mythology and victimization. ] 14:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Slovakia culturally Eastern Europe ] (]) 03:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

== Foreign Relations section needs update ==

As of December 2024 the Foreign Relations section is somewhat out of date with no reference to the diplomatic support it is giving Russia in the context of the War in Ukraine. ] (]) 02:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:: Slovakia is part of NATO and supporting all of EU sanctions against Russia, what exactly should be added in the context of the War in Ukraine? ] (]) 20:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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March 14, 1938

I am sorry I got stuck making this edit, but perhaps the editors can help. The problem with the original write up is that it is factually inaccurate and does not correspond to the referenced declaration of the Slovak Parliament. In the below I provide a new text, with two references: a Cambridge University Press book and an AEPress book, with detailed accounts of the participants of the events by a renowned historian.

Original: In the lead up to World War II, ...., Reference 11

Proposed: In the lead-up to World War II, Nazi Germany exploited the geopolitical situation, including the Munich Agreement, the pragmatism of the Western powers, and the fragility of the security situation in Slovakia, to pressure Slovak leaders to declare independence to establish the first Slovak Republic as a client state under its control.

References

  1. "The Slovak Dilemma". OUP. 2024-05-28.
  2. "Vznik Slovenského štátu. 14. marec 1939. Spomienky aktérov historických udalostí. 1. Diel". AEPRess (in Slovak). 2024-05-28.

Landlocked country, landlocked state

I would like to remove "landlocked country" remark, as it is the repetition of already mentioned landlocked state in the previous sentence. It doesn't sound good when same things are repeated several times. Can you just leave the word "country" instead. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denisademkova (talk • contribs) 16:03, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

History in Infobox

The country infobox serves to briefly provide basic information. The same is true for the part involving history. However, this is not currently the case in this article. This section does not show the basic historical events crucial to statehood, but the whole historical discourse. This is not right and no other country's Infobox has it. Note that there are 10 historical events with lots of parentheses and notes. Compared to Germany, which has a much longer statehood, for which 5 events are enough. Simply compared to any other country - this Infobox in wiki article about a country is crazy and unprecedented. Not to mention that there is a historical event about the state (Slovak state during WW2), to which the current Slovakia does not reference politically or legally, and therefore it is not an event in its statehood. Therefore, I perform standardization with really basic and key events, not the whole discourse.--Igec133 (talk) 07:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Opposite. If, it is very big problem for You, the section can be collapsed. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 08:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Opposite. Every country has different kind of history, you cant remove important facts in infobox about Slovak history to only few basic points, just because you dont like how many information it has. The infobox is without change for many months and it looks like you are the only one editor who has problem with that. You constantly removing map - Slovakia on the globe, informations about Slovak history and also even anthem from infobox (thats pure vandalism). Please stop with your disturbing edits. Peter11700 (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I would also support removing the First Slovak Republic from the establishment history section. Croatia and Ukraine's articles don't include their respective Axis collaborationist governments in the establishment history section, so I don't see a reason to include a similar government in this page's infobox's establishment history section. CJ-Moki (talk) 02:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Opposite. The First Slovak Republic didn't come to being as a result of a 'simple' ruling party change. It was the first Slovak country. Gyalu22 (talk) 13:40, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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Slovakia culturally Eastern Europe Milenka26 (talk) 03:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Foreign Relations section needs update

As of December 2024 the Foreign Relations section is somewhat out of date with no reference to the diplomatic support it is giving Russia in the context of the War in Ukraine. 91.84.189.190 (talk) 02:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Slovakia is part of NATO and supporting all of EU sanctions against Russia, what exactly should be added in the context of the War in Ukraine? Dasomm (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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