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== zhuda @ the s.h.e article == | |||
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== Question about Chinese characters == | |||
Yeah, I don't think there's an English term for it. Because a "hit song" is really only determined by how it performs on the charts, and not all hit songs are track 1 (e.g. S.H.E's second album). A ''similar'' term would be a CD's single, but singles are usually individually sold, either in hard copy or digital. We can't really say "digital single" either because the technology wouldn't have been popular enough back when S.H.E started out in 2001. So yeah. - ] 15:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
:But with "main song", that's usually a term used to contrast the word "filler song" in an album. An album has many main songs, but it would be really lame to say "their track ones." - ] 04:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Tibet== | |||
And who are you? ] <sup>]]</sup> 06:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Please see the left side of ] | |||
I have added the neutrality tag. I guess you see the question arising on the actual geographical boundary and framework of historical Tibet -it is subject to debate - I see where you are coming from. Its the old China-Tibet argument again - its difficult - particularly writing an article carefully. I would hope you see I have put tons of work into articles on Tibet.] <sup>]]</sup> 06:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
The characters are 乙丑?月 - what is the month character which I do not know? | |||
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If you are from ] then I can see your view totally. But try not to let politics affect the article. ] <sup>]]</sup> 06:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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I've removed it as on studying it I too question the accuracy of it. -it isn't all that useful anywat - it was presentation I was thinking about] <sup>]]</sup> 06:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Yes I agree that map was a bit too definitive when even historical boundaries were not all that clear a but you shouldn't object to the flag or seal. It is the flag used in historical Tibet by the Tibetans - I'd hoped it would improve the understanding of the article not as a ruse to promote Tibetan nationalism. The reason I rmeove dit was beacuse of the map and I had doubts over the accuracy of the info and its legitimacy. For instance in an article on "historical" Tibet why did it have info on 2005 population and economy when the article is about pre 1950? This was a contradiction but thanks for bringing it to my attention. Peace. ] <sup>]]</sup> 06:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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The fact that you haven't heard the name of one of Australia's best known 19th century photographers doesn't make him non-notable. As for Greg Bierne, he is an artist, not a casual snapshot photographer. ] (]) 12:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
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::Delete that. Thank you for expanding the section. With the photo reduced to thumbnail size, it looks tolerable. ] (]) 00:37, 24 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Greetings, I have been having the beginnings of a revert battle with ], at the disputed ], I was wondering if you'd be kind enough to look in and give an opinion? Thanks. ] | |||
You previously voted against a move back to Dragon Boat Festival from an editor's bold move to "Duanwu Festival" because a "more precise, official name is preferred in the case of competing English names" and because "'Dragon Boat Festival' often means a specific dragon boating competition, rather than the festival itself". | |||
With respect, the second of those points is simply untrue, as sourced at the talk page by others and now myself. Part of those sources (just added by me) address your first point: there aren't really "competing" English names (DBF is far and away more common) and DBF ''is'' the official English usage of the central government of the PRC, of its branches (even in locales like Beijing where there are no races), and of its English-language media organs. | |||
== ] == | |||
Do you speak Shanghainese and, if so, are you available to come up with the pronunciations of words from time to time? ] 16:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
That may not change your personal distaste for it but, for what it's worth, links to my sources and discussion are ] if they might cause you to reconsider your previous vote and establish a better, more accurate consensus over there. — ] 10:58, 3 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
Thanks for this valuable info. I think the ad hoc would be best (can the Hanyu pinyin tone marks be used to indicate tones)? ] 06:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Central National Security Commission, when did it become a party organ?== | |||
== GA == | |||
When did it become a party organ? --] (]) 09:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== calling for discussion == | |||
Hey PalaceGuard, | |||
I just wanted to congratulate you on your recent GA status article. You are doing a great job. Keep up the hard work. -- <strong>]</strong>] 06:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
In you redirected ] to ]. The edit summary you used was, sorry, worthless. | |||
== 重装 == | |||
I found this a very strange edit, one that really does require a much fuller explanation. | |||
I think you might be right about "reinstall." It was hard to figure it out from the original characters via Wiktionary definitions. ] 08:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
Practically where an article contained a link to ] the context is that it was some kind of secret police -- like the Gestapo, not a committee of senior advisors, like the ]. | |||
== Food item == | |||
I agree with ], whose first edit summary said ''"National Security Committee is too general and should become a disambig page."'' | |||
Hi, I need the Chinese name for the food item that is similar to ]--white balls that are smooth and a little smaller than golf balls, made from glutinous rice flour and filled with sweet bean paste (mung bean or azuki bean). These are available frozen in Chinese supermarkets, in clear plastic trays almost the way eggs are sold. They're boiled in water and are chewy in texture. In Vietnam this is ] (see the photos) and in Japan there is ] like this, but I want to figure out tha original Chinese name for this food. ] 08:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
If you provide an explanation, please put it on ]. ] (]) 13:22, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
Oh, looks like they're filled ] (yuanxiao). ] 08:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Wow, great info. Can you add all that to the article? ] 16:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
From your continuation of his edit war, I presume you're the same person as the URL editor at ]? | |||
{{sc|a)}} Announce yourself as such, rather than run afoul of {{sc|]}} &c. by pretending to be two people. {{sc|b)}} review {{sc|]}} and the editing process. It is the ''URL editor's'' edits which have run aground and ''he'' (=you?) need to take the discussion to the talk page before edit warring over their continued inclusion. — ] 13:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
== thanks! == | |||
:Thanks. I'm not saying you have to agree (it's pretty common on the internet for people to simply dig in their heels and snort) and I'm not the {{sc|]}} of the page or anything, but hopefully my comments there have been helpful and will contribute to improving your use of English. There absolutely is ''not'' a one-to-one correspondence that goes {{nowrap|{{lang|zh|包子}}}} = (steamed) ], {{nowrap|{{lang|zh|点心}}}} = ] = ], {{nowrap|{{lang|zh|饺子}}}} = ] (or ]). If I'm a little over-protective of the page, it's precisely because I think it's unhelpful to reinforce Chinglish. Some '']'' are rice buns but some are dumplings; {{lang|zh|点心}} means ], ], or ] in different places but none of those are ]s; and ''jiaozis'' are just one kind of Chinese dumpling, not the only possible meaning of "dumpling". | |||
:If you truly and completely disagree (presumably since Chinese English teachers universally ''do'' translate those terms one-to-one), the way to go about 'fixing' my ']' is to use (or better yet , , and ) to establish the {{sc|]}} {{sc|]}} usage; use (ideally) the ''Oxford English Dictionary'' to establish the "proper" English usage; and find published {{sc|]}} and include inline {{sc|]}}s to back up your points. That makes it much harder for terrible people like me to remove your clearly superior work. {{nowrap|; )}} Bonus points if you could take the time to use <code><nowiki>{{lang|zh|汉字}}</nowiki></code> around your characters; follow {{sc|]}} by not including them where you're linking through;* and using {{tl|nowrap}} to keep the characters from text wrapping (works fine in Chinese but very unhelpful when glossing it in English). I try to include {{tl|linktext}} for things and places (not individual people) but that can be ''mafan'' since 9 times out of 10 you'll have to create a new article at wiktionary for your link. | |||
Thanks for your response on ]! I appreciate your help... if you're interested, we could use all the helping hands we can get at ]. Oh.. read your user page... like you, I am totally addicted to ]. Later! ] 13:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
::*Thanks!!! <small>umm one way you could show moral support is by adding your name to the ]. Just a thought...</small> | |||
::*By the way.. some day.. months from now... November-ish or even December-ish.. I wanna put some major effort into ]... | |||
::*Later! ] 14:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Hopefully, though, we can just move on to ''improving'' the entry, by providing more sources (use the {{tl|zh icon}} for Chinese-language ones), the ''name'' of the "inventor", more details, more (sourced) varieties, etc. — ] 02:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Name == | |||
:<small>*What that means is that we don't want too many ] in our running text but we ''do'' want people to be able to find the characters if they're looking. So it's (obviously) wrong to write something like <code><nowiki>] (Zhou Dynasty)</nowiki></code> but it's ''also'' wrong to write <code><nowiki>] (周朝)</nowiki></code> or even <code><nowiki>] {{nowrap|({{lang|zh|周朝}})}}</nowiki></code>... because the ] article ''already'' provides the Chinese characters if a curious editor clicks through the link to go find it. '''BUT''' it's completely correct to include the characters in a sentence like</small> | |||
Did you get your user name from one of the characters in ]'s movie ]? Just wondering. (] 10:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) | |||
::<small>...Gua Guagua's friend ] {{nowrap|({{lang|zh|姓名名}})}} was the ] of ] {{nowrap|({{lang|zh|什么什么郡}},}} <small>]</small> ''Shénmeshénme Jùn'') during the early ]...</small> | |||
:<small>Since there ''are'' no pages for those topics, it's actually very helpful to have the characters (and sometimes the tonal ]) for those names. You could use {{tl|linktext}} and create a Wiktionary entry or even start a short page for ] and move the Chinese text there and put {{tl|China-hist-stub}} at the bottom, but obviously that's above and beyond the call of duty and no one minds if you don't bother to. (Apologies if you've been here long enough you already know ''all'' of this, just made an honest mistake with a few terms at XLB, and now find it offensive for me to talk about basic stuff. It's meant well.) — ] 02:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)</small> | |||
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== Sydney Law School == | |||
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See the thread with same title on my talk page. ] (]) 13:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Soybeans in the pod== | |||
== A page you started (Citysuper (supermarket)) has been reviewed! == | |||
In the U.S. we know this as ]. I didn't know that Koreans or Chinese ate soybeans this way, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised as there are so many culinary overlaps between those three cultures. This must be one of the very few exceptions to the use of soybeans in highly fermented form. ] 01:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
Thanks for creating ], PalaceGuard008! | |||
As I'd suspected, the ] article, under "Uses," only mentions the Japanese use of edamame, and not the Chinese and Korean. If you know about those, you should add info about it there. Edamame might merit its own article, which would talk about all three varieties. It is possible that the Chinese and Korean versions originally come from the Japanese. ] 01:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Interesting! What is 酒糟, exactly? ] 02:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
<blockquote>Hi, This Article 'citysuper (supermarket)' does not have any issue. | |||
Looks like it's "sediment" or "dregs." ] 02:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Edamame == | |||
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Yummy. I'm quite surprised that there isn't a proper article on this food item already! ] (]) 23:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Mao== | |||
Hey, just to let you know I did revert you on the Mao Zedong page - as something like what you added is relatively controversial - and I think it's controversial enough that you should probably have a source to go with it. Assuming you have the source I'm perfectly fine with that being in the article, but I think until then - "propaganda" is a pretty strong word.--<small>]]</span></span></small> 01:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Oh nononono - I'm aware that he acted in that position - the reason I believe a source would be best is the high traffic the article gets and the potential for the factoid to be lost.--<small>]]</span></span></small> 02:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Nicely done.--<small>]]</span></span></small> 02:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Constitution of Australia== | |||
Oh Hello there PalaceGuard | |||
Firstly, I apologize for not having responded. It is my first edit of the Misplaced Pages and i was not familiar with this talk facility. | |||
I didn't realize what was happening. I made the change and when it went back I thought it was an automatic change due to my not having logged on properly or something. | |||
At any rate, I am interested in understanding why my changes were reverted. Why does WIkipedia state there is no Preamble to the constitution? There clearly and legally is. | |||
For example: THE LEGAL INFORMATION ACCESS CENTRE states there is a preamble. | |||
The Australian Government's Senate web site at also includes the preamble. In fact, any record of the Australian Constitution also includes Clauses 1 to 8 which constitutes the Preamble. So why does the Misplaced Pages page state incorrectly thast there is no preamble? | |||
I am truly interested in an intelligent discussion about this point. | |||
My email is so should I expect to hear from you or shall I return here to check? | |||
Kind regards | |||
Truth First | |||
: There is a (big) difference between a preamble of the ''Act'' and a preamble of the Constitution. The links you gave us refer to the preamble of the ''Act''. The Constitution itself does not contain a preamble. (Try and keep discussion in one place please.) ] (]) 11:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
:: I have emailed Truth First about the distintcion between the Preamble and the Covering clauses on the one hand, and the distinction between the Preamble to the ''Act'' versus the Preamble to the ''Constitution'' on the other hand. Let's continue our discussion at ]. --] (]) 11:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Forbidden City == | |||
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Never got around to congratulating you for this. Good work. --] 17:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Chinglish picture == | |||
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Actually, I rather thought that the whole list of regulations was a veritable goldmine of Chinglish. Perhaps instead, other parts of the article could refer to it. ] 00:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Also, while I realize that WP is not censored, I don't think it would enhance the article's encyclopaedic nature to have an image with the word "shit" staring the reader in the face. There is also the context (a list of regulations in a public place) that would be lost if I cropped the picture. As it is, it clearly demonstrates that local governments in China are not immune to Chinglish. ] 00:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Very impressive! For fonts, I'd recommend something common in case people don't have the font when they download the SVG file. I think a sans serif font (like Arial or Verdana) or something would look good, because Misplaced Pages's default font is a sans serif font - so it doesn't stand out like a sore thumb. Font size is something to consider - depends on whether you want it as a thumbnail in the Forbidden City article, or rather large. The colour... I'm not sure, because you've got light and dark areas. Maybe you'll need to draw semi-transparent boxes behind the labels to make it readable. And when you're done, also consider uploading the SVG file too - you can embed those in pages like any other image type. ] (]) 07:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Hi, PalaceGuard008! I know that you have contributed a lot to the Forbidden City article and is trying to improve the quality of it, but I strongly think that the Palace Museum article and the Forbidden City article should be re-merged. Much of the contents in the Palace Museum article is nothing new or more elaborate than the informations that are already presented in the Forbidden City article (the infos are basically the same), and by merging them back together again, I feel a more comprenhensive article could be shown. Also, since the palace (Forbidden City) itself is such an essential part of the museum, I think it is only fitting that they combine into one article. Plus, many of the international articles linked to the Forbidden City talk about both the Forbidden City and Palace Musem within the same article, as I think perhaps it is easier to organize them.--] 02:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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It seems as if you like alphabetical order on your own user page, however you object to it, on the Tofu page. | |||
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Is there a particular reason for that? I'm assuming that it is not something as petty as you be anti-Japanese, so please inform me as to your reason. | |||
For your contribution: "Was there some sort of pan-Balkan-Nordic-Arabian movement in the early 20th century?" -- you win my Sentence of the Week award! Thanks for the laugh, ] (]) 14:50, 15 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
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I'm sure someone else will change it at sometime, and someone else will revert it...and it will go on forever, but at least we don't have to waste our time on it anymore.] 05:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Ha, I don't know why I left that message for myself! Thanks for noticing. Strange that white rice is used for this. ] 10:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Tiananmen Square calculation == | |||
== Curious if you an opinion to my response on the refdesk == | |||
I did it by looking on Google Maps: | |||
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Hi. I wrote a response to the supposedly "dumb question" on the humanities refdesk, about governmental succession. It's currently the last answer. Curious if you have anything to reply to my views, as to whether I am correct or not. Probably best to reply there, not here, but if the question is archived by the time you get a chance to respond, you can respond here. I am curious as to whether I am right. ] (]) 07:03, 4 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
On the Map, there is an area calculator that came to 55.25 acres: Here is the area I included: | |||
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Then using the Google calculator: | |||
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Hello PalaceGuard008, you've done such a great job adding original language refs to the Forbidden City article, I was wondering if you can help with a new article on more recent Beijing architecture. I just started it today and will add a few more paragraphs shortly to prepare it for DYK, with intended coincidence for it to be on the main page on its anniversary of 1 October. If you notice the zh: interwiki, it lists some projects after the 1959 Ten, and I was trying to steer the article away from those and focus on the original. What I'm going to add is some architectural information about the buildings and some more information about the works of art commissioned for the buildings. I have been able to find some excellent references in English, but basically, what I was asking is if you can help expand this article with any Mandarin pages you may be able to find. My ability to read Chinese is still very limited but I do study, have some resources, and have taken a class so I know a few things, but if you can find any online references I would be happy to read them and see this article expanded. Regards, ]] 00:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Thanks for taking a look. Anything that you add, I'm sure will be splendid. I am thinking of starting sections for the second and third paragraphs, with the titles, "art commissions", and "architecture" respectively. And I have some more information to continue along the lines of the third paragraph, maybe with additional subsections of "modernism", "socialist realism", and "historicism" for the architecture section. The article could very well continue with descriptions of the buildings, and make a very full article—but I really want to find more information on the initial planning, and the political situation. Very important in this is finding some sources in Chinese, which is difficult for me since I'm still learning. So any help from you would be fantastic! ]] 01:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
:: please read ] . Dates and statistics in particular need to be cited. These require citations, otherwise they may be ]. Instead of arguing for its inclusion, you find it hard to find actual sources? ] (]) 10:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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::: calling someone "a disruptive editor in general " is a personal attack. You really need to ] and move on. ] (]) 18:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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:::: Calling out someone's disruptive behaviour is not a "personal attack". Yet again you have a twisted interpretation of policy. WP:BURDEN is about resolving disputes between editors who, in good faith, have a difference of opinion on the veracity of a statement. You have shown that you have no genuine issue - or even interest - with the statements here. Instead, you fetishise the cite tag and just go around slapping it everywhere - including, in this particular instance, on statements that are clearly referenced just in a preceding paragraph - and then delete the content. That is disruptive editing. You need to stop doing it. Where another editor calls out one of your indiscriminant cite tags and you have a genuine issue with the statement, you should seek consensus on the talk page. You can start learning to do this in this instance by engaging on the article talk page, instead of just repeating "no I'm not, no I'm not" on my talk page. --] (]) 12:46, 12 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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The word "caisson" is meaningless. Please do not do that. I do not care that you ripped off my work (which you did - a copy and paste is an effective deletion. Leave my article to exist because I need it. I'll forgive you for the rip off. --] 19:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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::I have brought it up on ANI as you refuse to discuss it but acted arbitrarily. --] 20:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
There is no such a thing as "my article", Matisse (See ]). Having said that, a redirect without discussion is not unacceptable. If PalaceGuard008 wants to merge and redirect, he needs to place {{tl|mergeto}} and {{tl|mergefrom}} tags in these articles and engage in a discussion. Recurring attempts to redirect and merge without discussion is considered ]. See ]. ] <small>]</small> 20:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Thank you. That is what I wanted to hear. He has already copy/pasted the ] article into his. He pretty much did the same thing with the ] article. --] 20:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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:{{ping|EdJohnston}}, I did not think it is appropriate to "agree to make no more edits at this article until consensus is reached on the talk page", given that User:LibStar seems to have stopped discussing but also stopped blanking, which means (i) it seems impossible to achieve consensus in the positive sense; and (ii) on the assumption that User:LibStar is indicating acquiescence to the current version, uncontested, constructive edits can now go in, including to resolve some of the very issues that User:LibStar was complaining about. I'm not going to appeal the block, as 3RR is there for a reason and I don't think it's unfair to cop a 24-hour block for the technical breach. However, if you have any thoughts on how one ''should'' proceed in the situation where the other disputant has stopped discussing but also stopped reverting, I would be grateful for them. --] (]) 15:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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It is not to be argued out on ANI. Just put the merge templates on as stated above. --] 21:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Please use new banner when you post on my page. Sometimes I have two or three messages at once so I do not always find messages that have been stuck in out of sequence. Please follow the rules. I can't even easily find your messages now as I have to hunt through all the talk page entries. --] 21:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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{{ping|Alex Shih}} Hey, thanks for dropping by. It makes me nostalgic too to think how much (real) life has changed since those days, for me - and no doubt for you too. Anyway, nice to see a familiar face (so to speak) from the past! --] (]) 12:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
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:::Thanks for the explanation. Using Zscaler is not optional on my machine as it is work equipment. The position you refer to basically means that people cannot edit if their companies choose to use Zscaler. There are thousands of people affected at my work alone. I can see the counterargument would be, "just buy your own computer and edit with that", which is certainly an arguable position too, but I don't think it is consistent with Misplaced Pages's goals to block thousands of people, including established editors, because of their companies' choice of service providers. --] (]) 12:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
: In this case, see ]. There's no way around it apart from hashing out some kind of a concensus. Is it just one editor? Are other editors satisfied as to its equivalence? ] (]) 23:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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::::::Katie, yes that would seem to be a good solution, thank you. If there is anything I need to provide to make a case for it, please let me know. --] (]) 10:32, 27 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
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== Received third opinion on Merge of zaojing and Caisson (Asia architecture) == | |||
Hello PalaceGuard008, I want to ask you about the recent article moves to several articles on Chinese warships. While I do not disagree with your edits, many of them were helpful, I can't help but feel the articles are messy and somewhat arbitrary. We now have a big mess of Wade-Giles and Pinyin mixed in together when the Misplaced Pages policy so far with Chinese warships is to favour pinyin names, for example the Qing era ] and ] rather than ''Ting Yuen'' and ''Chen Yuen'', even if at the time the Wade-Giles spelling was more common. Now though, there is a ] in Wade-Giles but her sister ship, ] in Pinyin. This seems to go against the general Misplaced Pages consensus and seems clunky and unintuitive. It could be argued that ''Ying Rui'' could be changed to the Wade-Giles ''Ying Swei'' or Chao Ho back to the Pinyin ''Zhao He'' but not both different romanizations at once? | |||
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<blockquote>If you want my honest opinion, I think it is Caisson that needs to be merged into an article on zaojing (preferably as a separate explanatory section), not the other way around. I say this in consideration that it only focuses on the Forbidden City, while the zaojing covers a much wider time frame. That's just me, though.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 06:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</blockquote> | |||
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:How strange that you don't want me posting on your talk page but you are happy to post here. Conflicting signals much? Your post is full of logical holes - if you can edit a given page, so can I, and in the absence of consensus you should leave it in the state it was in before you edited. So leave User talk:Sumple well alone. As to the merits of your complaint, I've said it once and I've said it again, go get a dictionary or a textbook. You obviously don't understand the meaning of ]. If you believe it is a personal attack on User:Bishonen to say she is persona non grata on this or another page, you should alert her to your concern and see what she would like to do. Perhaps you can also inform her of the different conflict resolution options available to her. Given that your edit has been repeatedly reverted, you obviously don't have any support for your views from the community and so you yourself should leave the page well alone in its pre-existing state. --] (]) 17:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
:By the way, I had completely forgotten about this, but a perusal of the history of User talk:Sumple shows that this is a fight you have periodically picked since 2008 and last in 2011. ''The text in question doesn't even concern you''. You are feigning indignation on behalf of someone who doesn't even care - it's disingenuous and it's transparent and you know it, and I'm frankly astounded that you are persisting almost 10 years later. --] (]) 18:34, 30 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
::Pot meets kettle? Geogre blocked you more than 10 YEARS AGO and he left the project EIGHT YEARS AGO, yet you still insist on keeping him on a "blacklist". Talk about petty. It's pretty clear you're the one with an axe to grind and couldn't let go. Look, I'm not gonna insist that you remove Bish and Geogre on your CURRENT talkpage because Bish is too magnanimous to be on your petty level, but ] is no longer your talkpage and you don't get to maintain 2 separate userspaces, much less make public proclamation about who are not welcomed on an supposedly "abandoned" talkpage. It's as simple as that. Btw the "natural state" of the Sumple talkpage doesn't have the personal attack because you yourself blanked the page , which was your final act before abandoning that account. But then an IP address re-inserted the personal attack . I'm going to remove the attack again, but you're free to seek community consensus on AN/I on this matter. I doubt it would end well for you.--] (]) 08:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
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After reading the Caisson article (which I really didn't before, I only went on Mattise's word that it focuses solely on the Forbidden City) it is plain and obvious as day to see they are the same exact thing, only using either English terminology or the exact Chinese terminology. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Why don't you guys draw straws or play rock paper scissors or something, because there are articles on East Asian topics that have English originated titles or exact renditions of East Asian terms.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 17:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Merge caisson (Asian architecture) into coffer == | |||
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My view is that until you straighten out the terminology in Caisson (Asian architecture) any suggested merge with ''zaojing'' should be put on hold. The term "caisson" is not commonly used in architecture in the way you use it. There are no architectural articles on Misplaced Pages that use the word as an architectural word. The Oxford English Dictionary is not an architectural glossary. Glossaries on architecture do not list the term. If you want to use dictionaries, then ''The Random House Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged Edition'' lists five definitions. As number 6 (and least preferred): '''Also, cassoon , Arch, coffer (def. 4)'''. I have suggested that the Caisson (Asian architecture) be merged with ] which is the correct architectural term in English. Other than the least preferred definition in a general dictionary, I cannot find a reliable architectural source supporting your use of the term. (And I do not count superficial online Chinese travel sources if not supported by more reliable sources. Cheers. --] 13:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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On the current Misplaced Pages page for "Sheshan Basilica" it seems as if your edit added in some information of particular interest: | |||
A general dictionary is not a technical dictionary. If I look up common technical terms in my profession in OED or any other general dictionary, it will not give a correct definition. In fact, this is the source of much strife in my field on Misplaced Pages, as lay persons stick material into the articles, based on common usage, and disregard the professional definitions. This way misinformation is perpetuated. Fortunately, there was a recent Arbcom decision that in professional fields where scholarly sources exist, correct sourcing ] and ] must be followed, as it is dangerous for Misplaced Pages to put forth inaccurate information. Granted, architecture is not, for the most part, a life threatening issue, but the general standards and guidelines should still be followed in all articles. Cheers. --] 14:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
On June 12, 2007 you added: "Traditionally, many of the Catholics in the area were fishermen, who would make the pilgrimage by boat. This tradition continues among local Catholics, with the result that the creeks around She Shan are often crowded with boats in May." () | |||
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This phrase persists to current iterations of the page, yet without any citation. Were these facts sourced from your personal experience, or from the anecdotes of someone else? While scholars note that early pilgrims traveled by boat, this is the only online source proposing that boat travel continues to be a part of contemporary pilgrimage to this site. Further citation would be much appreciated! | |||
Look up "multiple" in your dictionary. Not good enough to have one nontechnical source. The English did rule the world once upon a time, but I believe that is no longer the case and other cultures get to have their own identity today, even on Misplaced Pages. Would you use a general Chinese dictionary as the main source for an article on an English topic? Cheers. --] 14:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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That's actually a great idea, I'll actually do that, and revert the History section to just before my additions, to maintain the coherence of the article, until the new History section is complete.]§]<sub>]</sub> 08:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Hi PalaceGuard! I still need to make an official greeting lol. I can also tell why you have such a name haha. I've read your forbidden palace, its very good and im glad it did reach the GA status. I think Chinese/Asian culture deserves a fairer cut into the earths spere of influence anyway. All the same, I just hope our argument about flags will end peacefully, and I'm sorry if I have offended you in anyway. But I must say here, my argument will go down soon anyway. It seems no one around other than me seem to support flags. Once ben and ench or a few people dig into the argument on your side, I'll prolly end it. oh well, I tried. ] 23:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Referring to another post on my talk page: As I have explained to you before, when I said "my sources" I mean sources I own and can consult. The sources that I own and can therefore verify by looking are quoted incorrectly in your article. You have used the copied sources incorrectly when you copied from one article to another. In one instance I could not find the source cited in the book so I must have been mistaken. In another instance, the lady whoever's tomb, neither a caisson nor a zaojing is mentioned. These books are very difficult for me to read and understand, and I do at times make mistakes. Cheers. --] 18:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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I can see you have interest in the regions of Sydney and I can see you were also involved in the injustice that happened involved the Eastern Suburbs Sydney page and the consequential removal of the South-Eastern Sydney page all thanks to one biased editor who manipulated the entire debate called Dacyevillain who has gotten away with their tyranny. | |||
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Just thought you'd like to know the editor Dacyevillain has gone around changing suburb articles in Bayside Council like the individual articles for Botany, Banksmeadow, Hillsdale, Daceyville, Pagewood, Eastgardens etc which originally were described as 'Southern Suburbs' or 'South-Eastern Suburbs' to now saying 'Eastern Suburbs' purely because they're being allowed to get away with it even though no reliable nor government sources refer to these suburbs as 'Eastern Suburbs' in any way. | |||
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Please see the left side of en:File:Jiming Temple's Horizontal inscribed board.Nanjing.jpg The characters are 乙丑?月 - what is the month character which I do not know?
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The fact that you haven't heard the name of one of Australia's best known 19th century photographers doesn't make him non-notable. As for Greg Bierne, he is an artist, not a casual snapshot photographer. Amandajm (talk) 12:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete that. Thank you for expanding the section. With the photo reduced to thumbnail size, it looks tolerable. Amandajm (talk) 00:37, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Dragon Boat Festival
You previously voted against a move back to Dragon Boat Festival from an editor's bold move to "Duanwu Festival" because a "more precise, official name is preferred in the case of competing English names" and because "'Dragon Boat Festival' often means a specific dragon boating competition, rather than the festival itself".
With respect, the second of those points is simply untrue, as sourced at the talk page by others and now myself. Part of those sources (just added by me) address your first point: there aren't really "competing" English names (DBF is far and away more common) and DBF is the official English usage of the central government of the PRC, of its branches (even in locales like Beijing where there are no races), and of its English-language media organs.
That may not change your personal distaste for it but, for what it's worth, links to my sources and discussion are here if they might cause you to reconsider your previous vote and establish a better, more accurate consensus over there. — LlywelynII 10:58, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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Central National Security Commission, when did it become a party organ?
When did it become a party organ? --TIAYN (talk) 09:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
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In this edit you redirected National_Security_Committee to National_Security_Council. The edit summary you used was, sorry, worthless.
I found this a very strange edit, one that really does require a much fuller explanation.
Practically all the instances where an article contained a link to National Security Committee the context is that it was some kind of secret police -- like the Gestapo, not a committee of senior advisors, like the United States National Security Council.
I agree with User:Materialscientist, whose first edit summary said "National Security Committee is too general and should become a disambig page."
If you provide an explanation, please put it on Talk:National Security Committee. Geo Swan (talk) 13:22, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Xiaolongbao
From your continuation of his edit war, I presume you're the same person as the URL editor at xiaolongbao?
A) Announce yourself as such, rather than run afoul of WP:SOCKPUPPET &c. by pretending to be two people. B) review WP:3RR and the editing process. It is the URL editor's edits which have run aground and he (=you?) need to take the discussion to the talk page before edit warring over their continued inclusion. — LlywelynII 13:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not saying you have to agree (it's pretty common on the internet for people to simply dig in their heels and snort) and I'm not the WP:OWNER of the page or anything, but hopefully my comments there have been helpful and will contribute to improving your use of English. There absolutely is not a one-to-one correspondence that goes 包子 = (steamed) bun, 点心 = dim sim = snack, 饺子 = dumpling (or vice versa). If I'm a little over-protective of the page, it's precisely because I think it's unhelpful to reinforce Chinglish. Some baozi are rice buns but some are dumplings; 点心 means dim sum, snack, or dessert in different places but none of those are synonyms; and jiaozis are just one kind of Chinese dumpling, not the only possible meaning of "dumpling".
- If you truly and completely disagree (presumably since Chinese English teachers universally do translate those terms one-to-one), the way to go about 'fixing' my 'mistakes' is to use Google (or better yet Google Books, Google Scholar, and Google ngram) to establish the WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH usage; use (ideally) the real Oxford English Dictionary to establish the "proper" English usage; and find published WP:RS and include inline WP:CITEs to back up your points. That makes it much harder for terrible people like me to remove your clearly superior work. ; ) Bonus points if you could take the time to use
{{lang|zh|汉字}}
around your characters; follow WP:MOS-ZH by not including them where you're linking through;* and using {{nowrap}} to keep the characters from text wrapping (works fine in Chinese but very unhelpful when glossing it in English). I try to include {{linktext}} for things and places (not individual people) but that can be mafan since 9 times out of 10 you'll have to create a new article at wiktionary for your link.
- Hopefully, though, we can just move on to improving the entry, by providing more sources (use the {{zh icon}} for Chinese-language ones), the name of the "inventor", more details, more (sourced) varieties, etc. — LlywelynII 02:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- *What that means is that we don't want too many Chinese characters in our running text but we do want people to be able to find the characters if they're looking. So it's (obviously) wrong to write something like
] (Zhou Dynasty)
but it's also wrong to write] (周朝)
or even] {{nowrap|({{lang|zh|周朝}})}}
... because the Zhou dynasty article already provides the Chinese characters if a curious editor clicks through the link to go find it. BUT it's completely correct to include the characters in a sentence like- ...Gua Guagua's friend Xing Mingming (姓名名) was the chancellor of Shenmeshenme Commandery (什么什么郡, p Shénmeshénme Jùn) during the early Tang dynasty...
- Since there are no pages for those topics, it's actually very helpful to have the characters (and sometimes the tonal pinyin) for those names. You could use {{linktext}} and create a Wiktionary entry or even start a short page for Shenmeshenme Commandery and move the Chinese text there and put {{China-hist-stub}} at the bottom, but obviously that's above and beyond the call of duty and no one minds if you don't bother to. (Apologies if you've been here long enough you already know all of this, just made an honest mistake with a few terms at XLB, and now find it offensive for me to talk about basic stuff. It's meant well.) — LlywelynII 02:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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Please stop assuming ownership of articles as you did at Bankstown Central Shopping Centre. Behavior such as this is regarded as disruptive, and is a violation of Misplaced Pages policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. LibStar (talk) 10:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- please read WP:BURDEN . Dates and statistics in particular need to be cited. These require citations, otherwise they may be original research. Instead of arguing for its inclusion, you find it hard to find actual sources? LibStar (talk) 10:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I might need to restate WP:BURDEN. The burden of demonstrating verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. quite simple really. LibStar (talk) 10:46, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- It is not bad faith to remove content that is uncited and not verified. It would be bad faith to remove cited material. Misplaced Pages is worse when there in unverified material that is left there for long periods. In the time spent arguing here, you could have found sources instead you want to go over and over a discussion that completely ignores why WP:BURDEN exists. Can you please read it carefully and follow its instructions for editors find to actual sources for material that is uncited and wishing to be restored. Please do not post on my page again, as your time could be better spent finding sources LibStar (talk) 14:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- @LibStar:, I have removed your comment posted in the thread below. Your input there was unwanted. You are invited to discuss content issues on the article talk page. I have tried multiple times to explain to you why gratuitous removal of content when you have no genuine issue with the factual accuracy of the statement is editing in bad faith. You don't seem to understand it and, going by your above comment, you also don't want to understand the point - i.e. you have consciously decided to be a disruptive editor. I don't care about your decision to be a disruptive editor in general, but in this incidence you have been asked to discuss the content issues on the article talk page, and that's where you should engage. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 18:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- WP:KETTLE your edit warring is a clear example of disruptive editing, especially when you have subsequently found sources. You have chosen to consistently defend your actions which has in fact led to your block. And consistently accuse me of bad faith when your continual reversing of edits was in fact bad faith. WP:KETTLE . You consistently fail to understand WP:BURDEN . LibStar (talk) 18:52, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- calling someone "a disruptive editor in general " is a personal attack. You really need to WP:LETGO and move on. LibStar (talk) 18:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- It is not bad faith to remove content that is uncited and not verified. It would be bad faith to remove cited material. Misplaced Pages is worse when there in unverified material that is left there for long periods. In the time spent arguing here, you could have found sources instead you want to go over and over a discussion that completely ignores why WP:BURDEN exists. Can you please read it carefully and follow its instructions for editors find to actual sources for material that is uncited and wishing to be restored. Please do not post on my page again, as your time could be better spent finding sources LibStar (talk) 14:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
As suggested by the admin below you need to stop blaming others. LibStar (talk) 18:56, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Calling out someone's disruptive behaviour is not a "personal attack". Yet again you have a twisted interpretation of policy. WP:BURDEN is about resolving disputes between editors who, in good faith, have a difference of opinion on the veracity of a statement. You have shown that you have no genuine issue - or even interest - with the statements here. Instead, you fetishise the cite tag and just go around slapping it everywhere - including, in this particular instance, on statements that are clearly referenced just in a preceding paragraph - and then delete the content. That is disruptive editing. You need to stop doing it. Where another editor calls out one of your indiscriminant cite tags and you have a genuine issue with the statement, you should seek consensus on the talk page. You can start learning to do this in this instance by engaging on the article talk page, instead of just repeating "no I'm not, no I'm not" on my talk page. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 12:46, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- I will continue to point out poorly cited material as I see fit. And will not challenge someone that puts in or restores material provided that is adequately sourced.
Your comment above seems to indicate that you do not use your block period to WP:CHILL to reduce your frustration. LibStar (talk) 13:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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See my comment at the noticeboard. Since you broke 3RR, an admin would be justified in blocking your account. You might avoid this if you will reply and agree to make no more edits at this article until consensus is reached on the talk page. If you try to solve this but can't come to agreement between the two of you, the steps of WP:Dispute resolution are open to you. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 04:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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I have gone ahead with the block since you didn't accept my offer. I was hoping you would "agree to make no more edits at this article until consensus is reached on the talk page." The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- @EdJohnston:, I did not think it is appropriate to "agree to make no more edits at this article until consensus is reached on the talk page", given that User:LibStar seems to have stopped discussing but also stopped blanking, which means (i) it seems impossible to achieve consensus in the positive sense; and (ii) on the assumption that User:LibStar is indicating acquiescence to the current version, uncontested, constructive edits can now go in, including to resolve some of the very issues that User:LibStar was complaining about. I'm not going to appeal the block, as 3RR is there for a reason and I don't think it's unfair to cop a 24-hour block for the technical breach. However, if you have any thoughts on how one should proceed in the situation where the other disputant has stopped discussing but also stopped reverting, I would be grateful for them. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 15:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Most people who show up at AN3 think that their own reverts are fully justified and that the other party is the one at fault. The steps of WP:Dispute resolution are open to everyone. At first glance, it looks like you have been removing 'citation needed' tags but without supplying a citation. The question of whether statements are adequately sourced is one that should be worked out on the talk page. When you are the person adding the information, *you* are the one expected to supply adequate sources. When you open a WP:Request for comment it is advertised in other places and it can bring in editors who are new to the dispute. The WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard can also be helpful. EdJohnston (talk) 15:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's helpful. To be clear, I was not adding content to the page, I was objecting to unjustified mass blanking - e.g. of statements that were clearly referenced in another paragraph. But I appreciate that hardly matters as far as the dispute resolution process is concerned. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 18:32, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Most people who show up at AN3 think that their own reverts are fully justified and that the other party is the one at fault. The steps of WP:Dispute resolution are open to everyone. At first glance, it looks like you have been removing 'citation needed' tags but without supplying a citation. The question of whether statements are adequately sourced is one that should be worked out on the talk page. When you are the person adding the information, *you* are the one expected to supply adequate sources. When you open a WP:Request for comment it is advertised in other places and it can bring in editors who are new to the dispute. The WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard can also be helpful. EdJohnston (talk) 15:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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- @Diannaa:, thanks for your message. In this particular case, the content in question was written by me (diff), so as copyright owner it is up to me to determine whether I wish to attribute myself, and certainly it would be inappropriate for me to attribute my licensee(s). Your edit at St. Francis Xavier Church (Shanghai) was inconsistent with my rights, so I have reverted it and then restored my text. Apologies if this seems aggressive, but as an intellectual property lawyer it is important to me that my intellectual property rights, including the right not to attribute myself or my licensees, are not eroded, and the edit was not directed at you personally by any means. As a side note, I have also undone your change of "cathedra" to "cathedral": the two are different, please see cathedra for more information. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 08:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Talk:Annexation#Tibet
I think it would be a good idea if you were to archive any section older than a year.
I saw that you made this edit to List of annexations since World War II so you might like to comment on Talk:Annexation#Tibet -- PBS (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi
I remember you from your Sumple years when I was working on the article Qiandao Lake Incident (under a different user name). Anyway, I am feeling nostalgic these days and just want to say hi to another old-timer. Regards, Alex Shih 11:45, 25 July 2017 (UTC) @Alex Shih: Hey, thanks for dropping by. It makes me nostalgic too to think how much (real) life has changed since those days, for me - and no doubt for you too. Anyway, nice to see a familiar face (so to speak) from the past! --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 12:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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See below. Katie 16:27, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
- It is generally accepted that an administrator who has declined an unblock request should not then decline another unblock request for the same block, so that the blocked editor gets an independent review. I am therefore leaving your latest unblock request open, but I am posting a comment about the block, both to clarify things for you and to help whatever administrator reviews the request.
- Having seen the unblock request at User talk:165.225.81.6 I thought it was pretty certain that was the block you were referring to. I have posted a message to that talk page explaining the situation, but for convenience I am also repeating it here:
- This IP address is used by Zscaler to provide internet access indirectly through a proxy, which has the effect of hiding the user's local IP address. Whether this is an "open proxy" depends on how one interprets the word "open", but it certainly has the effect of an anonymizing proxy, which is not permitted for editing Misplaced Pages unless there are special circumstances which justify making an exception. In the absence of such special circumstances you will just have to edit without connecting through the Zscaler connection. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. Using Zscaler is not optional on my machine as it is work equipment. The position you refer to basically means that people cannot edit if their companies choose to use Zscaler. There are thousands of people affected at my work alone. I can see the counterargument would be, "just buy your own computer and edit with that", which is certainly an arguable position too, but I don't think it is consistent with Misplaced Pages's goals to block thousands of people, including established editors, because of their companies' choice of service providers. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 12:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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- I would be willing to give you an IPBE if you're required to use this connection at work. Would you like me to evaluate you for that? Katie 23:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- Katie, yes that would seem to be a good solution, thank you. If there is anything I need to provide to make a case for it, please let me know. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:32, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- I would be willing to give you an IPBE if you're required to use this connection at work. Would you like me to evaluate you for that? Katie 23:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- A further option is to edit from an internet café or equivalent. I understand your point, but the counterpoint can be made that it is not reasonable to expect Misplaced Pages to vary their position to encompass your Company's choice of internet contact.--Anthony Bradbury 18:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. Using Zscaler is not optional on my machine as it is work equipment. The position you refer to basically means that people cannot edit if their companies choose to use Zscaler. There are thousands of people affected at my work alone. I can see the counterargument would be, "just buy your own computer and edit with that", which is certainly an arguable position too, but I don't think it is consistent with Misplaced Pages's goals to block thousands of people, including established editors, because of their companies' choice of service providers. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 12:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- This IP address is used by Zscaler to provide internet access indirectly through a proxy, which has the effect of hiding the user's local IP address. Whether this is an "open proxy" depends on how one interprets the word "open", but it certainly has the effect of an anonymizing proxy, which is not permitted for editing Misplaced Pages unless there are special circumstances which justify making an exception. In the absence of such special circumstances you will just have to edit without connecting through the Zscaler connection. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the recent edit warring, but I've granted you a one-year IPBE. At the end of that period, you'll have to apply again. Katie 16:27, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
- Appreciate your help, many thanks. Will watch out re editwarring. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
20th century Chinese warships edits
Hello PalaceGuard008, I want to ask you about the recent article moves to several articles on Chinese warships. While I do not disagree with your edits, many of them were helpful, I can't help but feel the articles are messy and somewhat arbitrary. We now have a big mess of Wade-Giles and Pinyin mixed in together when the Misplaced Pages policy so far with Chinese warships is to favour pinyin names, for example the Qing era Chinese ironclad Dingyuan and Chinese ironclad Zhenyuan rather than Ting Yuen and Chen Yuen, even if at the time the Wade-Giles spelling was more common. Now though, there is a Chinese cruiser Chao Ho in Wade-Giles but her sister ship, Chinese cruiser Ying Rui in Pinyin. This seems to go against the general Misplaced Pages consensus and seems clunky and unintuitive. It could be argued that Ying Rui could be changed to the Wade-Giles Ying Swei or Chao Ho back to the Pinyin Zhao He but not both different romanizations at once? Semi-Lobster (talk) 04:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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Instead of trolling my talkpage (FYI, you're persona non grata on my userspace, so don't bother posting there again), you have 2 options. Either re-direct your old talkpage to your new talkpage OR stop editing the old talkpage of an account you abandoned. After talking to Bish, I'm no longer gonna bother removing your pathetic personal attack against her from your current talkpage, but you don't get to maintain 2 separate talkpages/userspace (nobody does) and determine who gets to post on them and who doesn't. I'm giving you 24 hours to either re-direct your old talkpage here or voluntarily remove the personal attack from User talk:Sumple. Stop making Misplaced Pages a battleground.--Certified Gangsta (talk) 22:50, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- How strange that you don't want me posting on your talk page but you are happy to post here. Conflicting signals much? Your post is full of logical holes - if you can edit a given page, so can I, and in the absence of consensus you should leave it in the state it was in before you edited. So leave User talk:Sumple well alone. As to the merits of your complaint, I've said it once and I've said it again, go get a dictionary or a textbook. You obviously don't understand the meaning of persona non grata. If you believe it is a personal attack on User:Bishonen to say she is persona non grata on this or another page, you should alert her to your concern and see what she would like to do. Perhaps you can also inform her of the different conflict resolution options available to her. Given that your edit has been repeatedly reverted, you obviously don't have any support for your views from the community and so you yourself should leave the page well alone in its pre-existing state. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 17:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- By the way, I had completely forgotten about this, but a perusal of the history of User talk:Sumple shows that this is a fight you have periodically picked since 2008 and last in 2011. The text in question doesn't even concern you. You are feigning indignation on behalf of someone who doesn't even care - it's disingenuous and it's transparent and you know it, and I'm frankly astounded that you are persisting almost 10 years later. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 18:34, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Pot meets kettle? Geogre blocked you more than 10 YEARS AGO and he left the project EIGHT YEARS AGO, yet you still insist on keeping him on a "blacklist". Talk about petty. It's pretty clear you're the one with an axe to grind and couldn't let go. Look, I'm not gonna insist that you remove Bish and Geogre on your CURRENT talkpage because Bish is too magnanimous to be on your petty level, but User talk:Sumple is no longer your talkpage and you don't get to maintain 2 separate userspaces, much less make public proclamation about who are not welcomed on an supposedly "abandoned" talkpage. It's as simple as that. Btw the "natural state" of the Sumple talkpage doesn't have the personal attack because you yourself blanked the page , which was your final act before abandoning that account. But then an IP address re-inserted the personal attack . I'm going to remove the attack again, but you're free to seek community consensus on AN/I on this matter. I doubt it would end well for you.--Certified Gangsta (talk) 08:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- Go on, I'd like to see you convince AN/I of your warped reading of "persona non grata". --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 19:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Pot meets kettle? Geogre blocked you more than 10 YEARS AGO and he left the project EIGHT YEARS AGO, yet you still insist on keeping him on a "blacklist". Talk about petty. It's pretty clear you're the one with an axe to grind and couldn't let go. Look, I'm not gonna insist that you remove Bish and Geogre on your CURRENT talkpage because Bish is too magnanimous to be on your petty level, but User talk:Sumple is no longer your talkpage and you don't get to maintain 2 separate userspaces, much less make public proclamation about who are not welcomed on an supposedly "abandoned" talkpage. It's as simple as that. Btw the "natural state" of the Sumple talkpage doesn't have the personal attack because you yourself blanked the page , which was your final act before abandoning that account. But then an IP address re-inserted the personal attack . I'm going to remove the attack again, but you're free to seek community consensus on AN/I on this matter. I doubt it would end well for you.--Certified Gangsta (talk) 08:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
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Citation Needed: Sheshan Basilica Pilgrimage
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On June 12, 2007 you added: "Traditionally, many of the Catholics in the area were fishermen, who would make the pilgrimage by boat. This tradition continues among local Catholics, with the result that the creeks around She Shan are often crowded with boats in May." (Source)
This phrase persists to current iterations of the page, yet without any citation. Were these facts sourced from your personal experience, or from the anecdotes of someone else? While scholars note that early pilgrims traveled by boat, this is the only online source proposing that boat travel continues to be a part of contemporary pilgrimage to this site. Further citation would be much appreciated!
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- @130.132.173.35: - from memory this section of the write-up was based on a Chinese language source, I am not sure now whether it was one of the books I consulted or an online source. Apologies for the lack of reference - this was a long time ago and I was not the most disciplined on referencing back then. Googling just now, I found this article in Chinese which mentions that, after services resumed at the basilica in the 1980s, every May the creeks near the hill would be crowded with the boats of pilgrims. The article is about a doctor working for the church, who would visit the fishing families on their boats. The doctor in question retired in 1998, so this does not provide evidence that the practice continues now in 2019, but it does show that it was still happening in the 1980s-90s. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 16:45, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Regions of Sydney
I can see you have interest in the regions of Sydney and I can see you were also involved in the injustice that happened involved the Eastern Suburbs Sydney page and the consequential removal of the South-Eastern Sydney page all thanks to one biased editor who manipulated the entire debate called Dacyevillain who has gotten away with their tyranny.
Just thought you'd like to know the editor Dacyevillain has gone around changing suburb articles in Bayside Council like the individual articles for Botany, Banksmeadow, Hillsdale, Daceyville, Pagewood, Eastgardens etc which originally were described as 'Southern Suburbs' or 'South-Eastern Suburbs' to now saying 'Eastern Suburbs' purely because they're being allowed to get away with it even though no reliable nor government sources refer to these suburbs as 'Eastern Suburbs' in any way.
I'm one of the people in the community who argued that South-Eastern Sydney should not have been deleted however it seems anyone just using an IP address in the debate was dismissed with Dacyevillain attempting to say anyone who disagreed with them was one person. I'm reaching out because I can see in over a year that has past not much has been done to correct the errors and misinformation that has been occurring thanks to Dacyevillain's edits. Some nonsense edits I can see Dacyevillain has made in the last year are attempting to say on the Daceyville sububr page that there's a light rail station in Daceyvillain called 'The Juniors' which is in Kingsford, not Daceyville and unrelated to this topic attempted to say film director James Cameron has 5 kids when any google search will clearly show he has 4. Eastern Suburbs aside this editor should be monitored full stop for their contributions. 2405:6E00:2ED:BEF6:BF38:CA1F:AC9D:71BD (talk) 08:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi PalaceGuard008, FWIW, there is some context here en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Daceyvillain. The short version is that 2405:6E00:2ED:BEF6:BF38:CA1F:AC9D:71BD (and their many other sock puppet accounts and roaming IPs) has been banned on multiple occasions from editing Misplaced Pages, after they resorted to vandalism and harassment due to their original research edits being reverted. Sorry that they have dragged you into this. cc-ing @LibStar Daceyvillain (talk) 10:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)