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==AfD== | |||
Thanks for your reedition] 17:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
I just nominated ]. -] (]) 02:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
==Communicaiton== | |||
Hi. I'm very new in Misplaced Pages. I would like to communicate you about the Tripolis Museum, you said you have been to. My mother's ancestor nearly escape the etnical cleaning in Morea in 1821. Therefore I'm deeply interested in it. What can I find there? What is to see?] 08:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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*I've unblocked you to allow you to change username. The procedure is above (you have more than enough edits to qualify). Please request the change before you make any other edits, just on the basis that any other edits you make may lead to someone else blocking you for your username... it's very circular! Good luck! ]<b><font color="red">]</font></b> 20:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Your recent edits to country articles == | |||
May you please explain your reasoning in replacing up-to-date data with out-dated data for all these countries, as well as removing verifiability references from these articles? I see no sense in it and would like to see your reasoning before committing to reverting all these edits. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 13:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Please check your facts before levelling such accusations in future. I have replaced the old ] figures with the most up-to-date data, contained in the ] released only two days ago by the ]. See for yourself ] if any of the data I have entered is incorrect. Finally, please note that the report, while released on 9 November 2006, was compiled on the basis of '''2004''' data.--] 13:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Easy tiger! All I did was ask for clarifications - had I assumed bad faith I would not have bothered to ask why you did it! I saw a 2005 figure change into a 2004 figure and only raised a concern. You did not provide a reference link for verification so you cannot blame me for my concerns. Btw, please provide me with a reference link so I can include it in the Malta article. Thanks. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 14:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::Claiming that I replaced "up-to-date data with out-dated data" is a rather serious accusation on Misplaced Pages. The "2005" figure was in fact the 2003 figure contained in last year's report; it is an easy mistake to make, but you'll find that almost every other country had 2003 as the date of the old data. I simply corrected that error while updating to the newly-released figures for 2004. In any case, including a reference link to the very large UNDP file in every country infobox is entirely unnecessary as the reader can simply obtain the material from the external links section of the ''relevant'' article, namely ], which the infobox ''does'' link to. No other country infobox contains a separate external link to the UNDP site, and I see no reason why ] should be an exception.--] 17:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::Please accept my apologies for the aggressive wording, which was a mistake on my part. As I said, I was decieved by the erraneous figure on tha Malta page, and it was not my intention to assume bad faith. While I partly agree with your argument for not including a reference to the articles, I think that in the spirit of ] an extra reference does no harm. ] was refused FA status because of its lack of verifiability, and while one missing reference does no difference in this aspect, I still think that it is a plus to verifiability and shall add a link to the HDI article in the references section. Again, my apologies. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 22:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::In that case, for the sake of consistency, could you go through and add the same link to every country infobox, not just Malta's?--] 01:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::K. <sub>└</sub> <sup>''']'''</sup> / <sub>'']''</sub> <sup>┐</sup> 09:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Snake huh? == | |||
Poisonous too? What's with ]? And why did you choose to highlight that Ψ in your sig, while ]'s ] lost to ]'s ]? The latter would certainly be more compatible with your ], you "face with a tail"... ]] 22:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:But a big Ψ is always better than a small one, don't you find? ;)] 01:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Same would apply to a big K, I presume. Micro-K/Ψ guys would argue that ''it's not the size of the waves, but the motion of the ocean..."'' I say ]! ]] 12:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::You're incorrigible. What's your animal, by the way? ] 12:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::Hmmm, that would be ], but don't advertise that please. :-) On the western astrology, my ] is ]; same is my ]?/(Ωροσκόπος I mean), I've been told. Those planets conspired for my birth! In any case, I believe in actions rather than profecies, and I find that these practices aim to comfort (and exploit) the weak. I prefer reading the cartoon sections... PS. Model '78, aren't we? I am '71. ]] 13:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::Nice, that makes us mortal enemies according to the Chinese. I won't tell you my age because I don't want people here telling me I should act it, like they do in real life. Ωροσκόπος is ] or rising sign in English - confusing, I know. Don't misinterpret the nature of astrology; all it does is tell you what you're predisposed to - it says nothing about what you will choose to do with that information in the real world. It is a ] universe after all and you're quite right in saying that actions will ''always'' matter over anything else. ] 13:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::I see you it by removing that hyphen. Maybe you should better add a "]" in the end, for ]. My opinion on astrology starts with a "]" and is ] to their plural. ]] 22:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::::] ones, you mean? Or are you confusing them with ]es? ] 01:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Yes and no. Blue in pink vases, just like as]<nowiki>ogy</nowiki>. ]] 15:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Cooperation board launched== | |||
A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched ]. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! ] 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I am sorry if I seemed a bit offensive the other day, but know that it was nothing personal nor it had something particular to do with your views.. Just try to understand that being compared to a Shoah-denying Nazi can touch a few nerves :) I am not offended at all by your views, it is just that this discussion has been going for so long at that page that it is actually stopping me and many users from doing other tasks on wiki.. It is like a discussion that never stops :) Believe me, I see your point, I really do.. However, I just would like to see the fine line between political activism and encycylopedic edition not crossed.. Look, the article is not even in GA status, there is so much work that needs to be done and that's why it is so hard sometimes to approach with 100 percent good faith to people who just drop by and create section headers Armenian Genocide with capital letters and saying: "why don't you mention what butchers Turkish people were?".. I hope you also understand that too.. The cooperation board has nothing to do with this.. I hope that, with time and observing my edits, you will see that.. Cheers! ] 18:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Athene/a/ai == | |||
Thanks for your clarification on ]. Have you got anything on whether the name of the city was actually understood to be the plural of the goddess' name? ] ] 17:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:A quick Google search produced , but I'm sure we can find something more decent. Ἀθῆναι is the obvious plural form of Ἀθήνη, which according to Liddell and Scott is in fact the generic Ionic name rather than the strictly Attic Ἀθηνᾶ, contracted from Ἀθηνάα or Ἀθηναία. Ἀθήνη occurs routinely in Attic texts, however, so it appears the two coexisted at some point until Ἀθηνᾶ prevailed in Attic/Koine and hence modern Greek. The motivation for my edit was purely to clarify the link between the singular and plural forms, but describing it as ''Attic'' was perhaps not entirely accurate in retrospect. ] 18:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Interesting. Thanks so far. ] ] 18:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Imia/Kardak== | |||
Look, I know what you mean. However, Misplaced Pages cannot decide on their ownership. It is already linked to Aegean dispute. It is not in cat:Turkish isles either. So pls let's keep it at that and stop wasting our time! Seriously. There is no need to dispute as petty as this. The main of the article doesn't correspond to the article Dodecanese, nor does it correspond to Turkish Isles. It belongs to Aegean dispute, and that's where it should be. Please let's not wage a virtual Imia/Kardak war over this! ] 09:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:OK, if it's as petty as you say then you will just let it be, right? Your assertion that the islets are "grey zones" of undetermined sovereignty is not NPOV, it is ''precisely'' the Turkish POV. Cheers. ] 09:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::(edit conflict) The article itself says "it is situated between Dodecanese and southwestern Turkey", so the current state of the article with only Aegean dispute cat corresponds with that, and is for the best.] 09:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::Wrong. "Aegean dispute grey zones" ''is'' the Turkish POV. "The Dodecanese" is the Greek (and correct) POV. I have not removed the former, and you shouldn't seek to remove the latter. Let's leave it at that. ] 09:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::It is not my assertion, it is how it has been reported all throughout the world by major news organizations. Please do not accuse me of being a POV pusher. I am sorry, but I will revert it in due time. Do you want me to add another cat:Turkish isles to it? Do you really want to start an edit war for this? Especially one that can include many other editors, both Greek and Turkish? Everybody knows these isles because of the dispute, we should be giving it as is. When there is a lasting settlement on the Aegean dispute, it will be properly categorized, I am sure. If I were a real POV pusher, I would have added the Turkish Isles cat instead of simply removing the other one, right? The Turkish POV is that they are Turkish! Have you been following the news?! If you want, I can add the Turkish Isles cat, and let's leave it at that, no?] 09:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::Doesn't matter whose POV is what, in Misplaced Pages we should be reporting the issue as is.. It is known by everyone as part of the "Aegean dispute".. Gees, it is really petty to be pushing for this u know, especially in the virtual world!] 09:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::So why are you doing it, then? ] 09:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I meant that it is petty to start an edit war to ''claim ownership'' of the island. My edits were to insure that it stayed neutral and didn't venture into dangerous waters, no pun intended. Avoid the ]. As I said, if I were really pushing for POV, I would have added turkish isles cat since that is the "Turkish POV", as you said. However, I didn't. Many Turkish users would have been tempted by it, just like you were tempted to include it in Greece. See the difference? Nevertheless, I am not going to engage in childish ownership games and add a silly ownership cat. I will just stick to reverting the cat that you have added. That's all! ] 09:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::::OK. In the meantime, you have 24 hours to cool off. ] 09:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I know, no rush. Patience grasshopper :)] 09:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
Careful, both of you. Kekrops, you've already violated 3RR, strictly speaking (your last removal of a category was also a revert, of a much earlier addition), and Baristarim, your announcement of continuing the revert war after waiting out 24 hours doesn't sound too good either. - As for categorizing the article for its "disputedness", my suggestion would be to rename the category. Certainly not everybody agrees that these islands are "]", but I guess everybody would agree they form part of the "]"? (and of course, they are rightly in ] anyway.) ] ] 10:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I would prefer to see "]" nominated for deletion, actually. ] 10:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Actually, on second thought, I was going to say just that, you beat me to it. It's filled with very few articles, and as the ] article says, the problem is that there is no clear definition of which islands are "officially" disputed even from the Turkish side - Imia is really the only one that's definite. ] ] 10:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Sneaky comments == | |||
''really'' wasn't necessary. See ]. ] 16:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Spare me the policing. He's been at it all day. ] 16:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Well, somehow an editor that hadn't been editing suddenly came back to Misplaced Pages after 1.5 months and voted in this AfD. Cough cough. In any case, I am not going to beat a dead horse. There is no Greek-hysteria, and I am sorry that you feel that the board is ill-fated. Maybe true since most of those who signed up aren't doing to realize the potential of the task and notification pages. I am not the owner of that board and I really would appreciate it if others were taking some of the slack. I cannot be everywhere all the time. Me belonging to a board doesn't mean I will act like Jesus and turn the other cheek when stuff hits the fan! ] 18:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
Of course the board is ill-fated; it was conceived by someone who attempts to denigrate the Greeks at every opportunity as an | |||
"artificial" nation "created" in the 19<sup>th</sup> century while at the same time proclaiming the unbroken continuity of his own tribe. When you express such basic contempt for the people you purport to be interested in cooperating with, you cannot seriously expect any result but failure. That is the reason I didn't sign up in the first place - I can see through the bullshit. After your recent comments it is achingly clear that I was right all along. ] 08:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
. Try to help ''defuse'' these situations, instead of inflaming them. Thanks. ] 15:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Excuse me, but did his repeated taunts of "lies and distortion" ''not'' violate ]? ] 17:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::I really do suggest that you cut down on stalking. Looking for AfDs, CfDs and TfDs by checking into the contributions lists of others, friendly or not, constitues stalking and is disruptive. There is no way this can happen with a ten minute difference out of the blue and . If you keep this up, I will definitely be reporting this behavior. ] 21:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::What are you insinuating Baristarim? Sounds very cryptic and ambiguous. --] 21:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::And this looks like stalking. ] 21:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::Listen, I've had about enough of ''your'' stalking, your insinuations, allegations and accusations. You will not tell me which articles I can edit and which votes I can participate in. If you continue engaging in this kind of disruptive behaviour, you will leave me with no choice but to take the matter to the next level. Consider this a warning. ] 06:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::I just saw your reply. Sorry that you feel that way, I wasn't stalking you - I have many articles on my watchlist. ''In any case'', my second post was to Eupator, not you. You have to admit that there was no way that he could have replied to me in ''your'' talk page ''three'' minutes after my post, right? Anyways, just wanted to say something about the Fire article. Your addition is fine, I never edited that article, so I don't know how it got to that point. The article needs to be rewritten in any case, it is a complete wreck from whatever way you look at it :) ] 09:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::I agree. It's all over the shop, really. On the other hand, some of the material posted by the new guy could be worth looking at. ] 17:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
== macedonian == | |||
Kékrōps, sorry, I broke that flow of that discussion, but I never was referring to anything except Bulgaromacedonian. I set up that section, with that name, because that term isn't English. Your conversation with Francis wandered. In the end, I think we agree which term has entered English, and which has not. ] 16:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Actually, you set up a section entitled ''Bulgaroskopian'', which I explained was pejorative while ''Slavomacedonian'' was not. In any case, we do agree that the latter has entered the language. ] 16:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Languages of the European Union == | |||
Thanks for your edit, it improved it quite well... Thanks again ] 08:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:No worries, mate. ] 19:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
==]== | |||
I just saw your last changes in the template. Something is going wrong with the template after your change; there is a redundant "Greek elections}}" πλάγια της template (τουλάχιστο στο Mozilla). I don't know what is that exactly, but it needs fixing. And what is this story with the flag? Δεν την έπιασα! Ευχαριστώ!--] 20:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Α! Το έφτιαξες βλέπω! ΟΚ!--] 20:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Πρώτον, μία σημαία φτάνει και περισσεύει, και δεύτερον, είναι αναχρονιστικό να εμφανίζεται πάνω από τις εκλογές της Γερουσίας της δεκαετίας του 20 και του 30 η σημαία της θαλάσσης που καθιερώθηκε επίσημα ως σημαία του κράτους μόλις το 1978. Το ίδιο ισχύει και για τα δημοψηφίσματα, το τελευταίο από τα οποία διεξήχθη το 1974. ] είναι η κατάλληλη για τις δύο αυτές περιπτώσεις, αλλά είναι μάλλον περιττή. ] 20:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::OK! Απλά δεν ήξερα ότι η σημερινή μας σημαία καθιερώθηκε επίσημα ως τέτοια το 1978. Ευχαριστώ και για την ιστορική διαφώτιση και για την ανάλογη τροποποίηση της template. Καλημέρα!--] 08:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Frisian language == | |||
According to , a specialised study center, it seems that the second time you were right. It is not the other official language of the Netherlands at the national level. --] 18:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Vergina Sun == | |||
You removed a paragraph from ] with the following explanation: "Peter Hill is a Slavicist with no particular knowledge of ancient Greece or its symbols." That's your unsubstantiated personal opinion (which ] disallows). Also, deleting a point of view which you don't like isn't permitted by ] policy. Please bear in mind that we need to fairly represent ''both'' the Greek and the Slavic points of view if we're to meet the requirements of the NPOV policy. -- ] 11:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:If you want to include the opinion that the Vergina Sun is not a Greek symbol, at least cite an expert on classical antiquity who would be qualified to make that judgment. A Slavicist with extensive personal ties to the FYROM and explicitly anti-Greek partisan loyalties cannot be considered a credible source. His article was published in Melbourne's ''Age'' at the height of the conflict in 1994, provoking a furious reaction from the local Greek community and prompting the newspaper to distance itself from his views. Moreover, the Slavic point of view is already well represented; Peter Hill's views are just that, his own "unsubstantiated personal opinion", and bear no more weight than yours or mine, quite frankly. ] 11:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::I'm afraid you've missed the point I was making. Hill's view (which I don't fully agree with personally, btw) makes an important point on the Slavic side of the argument. He's a published academic, which neither of us are, so he qualifies as a ], which neither of us do. His argument is published in a major newspaper, which makes it ], which our own viewpoints aren't. I know you don't like the argument he makes, but please don't try to remove it because of your personal views on the matter. -- ] 11:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::I reiterate my request that you cite an expert on ancient Greece who claims that it is not a Greek symbol. ] 11:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::I agree, the experts (or at least the ones I've read) do claim that it's a Greek symbol. But as you know, the dispute is really about politics, not archaeology, and Hill's point is essentially a political one. I think your current wording is fine, btw - thanks for being constructive about this question! -- ] 12:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::::I don't mind including opposing points of view at all, as long as they are placed in their right context. Hill's views are not those of a neutral outsider - he is rather vehemently pro-Slav and even married to one if my memory serves me correctly. Not that that matters of course, so long as people know where his loyalties lie. I was in Melbourne when that article was published and have fond memories of the Greek reaction and the ''Age'''s subsequent attempt at damage control. ] 12:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::::Yes, I can imagine that the local Greek community was not very pleased... I agree, it's worth noting where his loyalties (or perhaps biases) lie, though of course we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that ''both'' sides are naturally biased towards their own POV. -- ] 13:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
I agree. His view is marginal and that alone qualifies as a justification for the latest addition of Kekrops ("and actively promoted their cause"). ]] 16:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Marginal indeed. The Greeks "appropriated" a symbol found on ''their'' territory (and not just in Macedonia), not the Slavs who have no connection, historical or geographical, to it whatsoever. The mind boggles. ] 17:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::The idea that anything other than territoriality within internationally recognised borders can determine contemporary ownership of such archaeological treasures baffles me. The Greeks have "appropriated" the Sun of Vergina as much as the Egyptians have appropriated the Pyramids, or the Italians the Colosseum. Except for the minor detail that the Greeks of today still speak the language of their supposedly unrelated ancient counterparts, unfortunately for Professor Hill. ] 17:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
You're whole arguement is flawed. Which Greek scholar would be objectively non-biased. They would lose their funding and be sacked ASAP ] 03:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
:What a ridiculous and racist comment. Go away. ] 04:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Regarding your edit to ]:== | |||
Your recent edit to ] () was reverted by '''automated bot'''. You have been identified as a new user editing a page that experiences malicious edits by banned users that continue to edit via ] or ]. Since these ranges are too large (collateral damage) to be ] and user's ]es are not visible, edits to this page by logged-out editors of server or shared IP ranges and new users are reverted. The changes can be ] and restored by established users. // ] 14:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Hummh, this is indeed pretty weird. :-) I guess the article is on the bot's watchlist because of Kaltsef - but it must have a rather strange definition of what a "new user" is. If it only knew... Anyway, I'm going to look into it. ] ] 14:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Να 'σαι καλά, ρε Μέλλοντα. ] 14:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::Actually, my only guess is that its code chokes on your diacritics when trying to access your edit count. Something similar seems to be happening with the Interiot Tool edit counter, which doesn't like non-ascii names either. ] ] 14:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::There hasn't been a repeat so far, though. My latest edits remain intact. By the way, how is it that a genuinely new user like ] can slip through the cracks? ] 14:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::::Right - Phormion demonstrates that it can't really be a matter of edit count, but probably of age of first edit (he's about as old as you). As I said, my guess is the bot couldn't correctly access your history data because of some bug with converting the diacritics. ] ] 15:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
If it helps, IE7 (or Yahoo plugin for Internet Explorer 6), that comes with tabs, like FireFox, has the same problems. When you press the middle button (wheel) on your name (or when you right-click/select open-in-new-tab), you're supposed to have your userpage in a new tab. Instead of that, you get to edit the new (red) userpage of a "]". The same happens to all accented pages. So, I suggest you get rid of the accents in your name. ]] 23:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Regarding your edits to ] == | |||
The lead, as you have rewritten it, is far better (actually, the entire lead now, all (5?) paragraphs works quite nicely). Your comments and behavior on the talk page how ever have been uncivil, and you have been assuming bad faith. You may want to review your talk page edits from the last 2 days, and consider some reversion, as I am taking a little time to decide whether to bring this to the notice board. ] 17:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Assuming that I had the desire to "bury" the other languages, whether literally or figuratively, is the epitome of bad faith. My decision to strike your offensive comment was based on ]. As you have ignored my repeated requests for a retraction, I should be the one taking this to the noticeboard, quite frankly. ] 17:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::"] ] ] ] ]: ]!" ]] 23:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
Kékrōps, please don't make incivil comments again (such as the ones ]). They are not helpful at all, and as you are a prolific editor, I expect better from you. <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 05:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I was unaware I had to live up to your expectations. In any case, if you don't reprimand him for accusing me of wanting to "bury" other languages, you're really in no position to expect anything from me. Cheers. ] 06:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Let me reiterate: what I just gave you was a ''warning''. If you don't comply to it, you will be blocked. <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 06:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::Ba ba da, bi ba da... ] 11:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
==About Northern Cyprus== | |||
It's kind of standartisation of all the articles concerning unrecognised countries. The accepted words are 'de-facto independent republic within de-jure borders of XXX'. If you don't agree please provide some proof Northern Cyprus is NOT independent actually. Good luck! ] 14:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Whatever, just check your e-mail.--] 15:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Lo he entendido bien la primera vez, no te preocupes chaval. ] 16:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::I don't get it. Can I say it in Albanian? Te kam derguar nje e-mail.--] 16:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::No, you cannot. ] 16:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
== A potential compromise == | |||
Hello. With regard to a paragraph in the TRNC article that reads; | |||
Greek Cypriots believed the amendments necessary due to an abuse of those safeguards by Turkish Cypriots, leading to an unworkable government. | |||
I think with a small edit where 'due to an abuse of those safeguards' is changed to 'due to what they saw as abuses of those safeguards' or perhaps 'due to their perceived abuses of those safeguards' then that paragraph would be as neutral as we are going to get. If those abuses can be specified by a neutral source then fair enough but the source in question doesnt go into specifics and neither could it be considered neutral. I'm reaching out to you to see if compromise could be reached as in the cold light of day that phrase isnt neutral. ] 00:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:You might want to take that up with Garnet; he was the one behind the current wording. I wouldn't oppose your suggestion as long as we insert a similar proviso vis-à-vis the "independence" of the "TRNC" or revert to the original wording of "de facto state" of which you were an erstwhile supporter. ] 05:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:: I think any change to 'abuses' needs a concensus across both sides of the debate to avoid an edit war. On the subkject of 'de-fato- state...can you remind me what the wording was, the title has changed so many times I've lost track of both its wording and the arguments behind the changes. ] 12:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::My understanding, based on a couple of your own posts, was that the result of the mediation was "de facto state". It has now been changed to "de facto independent republic", which would be fine if it weren't for the very tenuous nature of its "independence". Independent of Cypriot rule, surely, but ''de facto'' wholly dependent on Turkey, by the admission of everyone but the Turks themselves, who for understandable political reasons tout the "TRNC" as a rival to the Republic of Cyprus. ] 16:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::: I wrote my reply to you before I looked at the article and I can see the most recent mayhem. I personally have no issue with the inclusion or omission of the word 'independent' and the mediation did agree on 'de-facto state' (because at the time people were arguing that the TRNC wasn't a 'state' because it wasn't legal) which was a whole other kettle of fish. I wonder what the definition of independence is when it refers to a nation. Perhaps that term can only really be applied to a sovereign state, which the TRNC. isnt. I mean if the TRNC isnt a legal entity in the eyes of the UN then how can it be an independent nation? ] 19:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::::I appreciate Adam's constructive comment above. ("well, what would NikoSilver say, it matches his strong POV doesn't it?") :-) ]] 00:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::::I concur. There's really no room for excesses here. The fact that there is a de facto breakaway state in the north of Cyprus is an indisputable statement of fact; whether there should or shouldn't be is another matter entirely. The Republic of Cyprus has accepted that any future settlement will provide for a bizonal federation, so a Turkish Cypriot state will survive in one form or another even after a solution. On the other hand, claiming that it is "independent" is stretching it a bit too far towards the official line of Talat and the Turkish foreign ministry. Ordinary Turks and Turkish Cypriots would probably agree that it is entirely dependent on Turkey for its existence. ] 00:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
== TRNCing == | |||
Just a heads up to not get too carried away :) - I think that you hit four reverts. I am cool with it, but better to avoid the heat all the same. Cheers! ] 10:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Almost. ] 10:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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:Teşekkürler, but what has the board actually achieved? After a few posts early on, it seems largely defunct nowadays. I'm always willing to cooperate, board or no board, but I sometimes get the impression that "cooperation" is just code for capitulation to the views and wishes of the other side. That said, you're not the only one who has asked me to join; the Greeks have also encouraged me, politely but firmly, to do so, but I still see it as little more than a diplomatic beauty pageant. Kinda like ]'s ] for ] back in the 90s. ] 06:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Gray Wolf == | |||
I think I made this explanation before; Gray Wolf is to Turks what ] is to Americans. I don't think its Wikipedic to add into the article our interpretations of why TMT put the Wolf on its logo. Also suggesting a connection with Grey Wolves is apperantly misleading since TMT was found 11 years earlier and by the time Grey Wolves gained power TMT had already dissolved. Regards.--<tt class="plainlinks">] ]</tt> 12:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I think you'll agree however that they both had their origins in a particular tradition of Turkish Cypriot nationalism; don't forget where ] came from. The grey wolf symbol had a particular resonance for Turkish nationalists even before the establishment of the ] per se. ] 21:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Well, will agree that Grey Wolf is to Turks what bald Eagle is to Americans - it is not the others fault that a particular ideological group appropriated for themselves.. Anyways, Kekrops, is this edit ok ? - I don't know the subject.. ] 08:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::Clearly not. The Greeks fighting in Macedonia weren't fighting the Macedonians; they ''were'' the Macedonians. As for the claim that the grey wolf is to Turkey what the bald eagle is to the USA, a reliable source would be much appreciated. I don't think the two are quite comparable; the eagle appears on the ], while the wolf has no such official sanction in Turkey. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you won't pass for a left-leaning liberal if you go around wearing a grey wolf T-shirt, n'est-ce pas? That is what I meant when I said it had a particular political resonance. ] 08:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::Ok, as for that edit I had to ask since I see a lot of edits happening in those pages but I am constantnly confused among Bulgarians, Slavs and Macedonians. I had an idea that it was a bit fishy so I tried to get the look of someone who knew the subject better. This Macedonia name thing is really confusing, I will definitely give you guys that.. As for the GW.. Yeah, I suppose - these days it has become associated with a particular ideology. If 80 years ago the TR govt had made it an official thing, like "the official animal" (ex Bald eagle - US, the hen - France), that would have stopped it from being appropriated in that manner. ] 09:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Re: Entertain me, Turk == | |||
]--<tt class="plainlinks">] ]</tt> 08:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Also, apperantly you are a frequent reader of my userpage, it is flattering, thank you.--<tt class="plainlinks">] ]</tt> 09:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Why not, it's thoroughly amusing. ] 23:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Ilinden-Preobrazhen uprising == | |||
You are right - it was called Ilinden-Preobrazhen uprising with the 'Preobrazhen' part refering to the uprising of Bulgarians in Eastern Trakia, around Luleburgaz and Edirne. Makedonists prefer to forget the 'Preobrazhen' part because if they write the name in full it will become clear that this is '''Bulgarian''' uprising aiming for liberation of all Bulgarians that were not liberated during the Russo-Turkish war 1877-78. This is why that anonymous makedonist keeps deleting the respective part in the ] article. --] 11:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Eurovision 2007 == | |||
Eurovision 2007 | |||
Let's be very practical and spread the message widely | |||
vote for west europe to save the contest | |||
VOTES ONLY FOR SPAIN- FRANCE- SWEDEN- FINLAND- IRELAND- UNITED KINGDOM- GERMANY- | |||
I'm not voting for my Favorite Moldova, Ukarine & Georgia | |||
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Littledaniel_93" <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 10:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> | |||
:Cute. I'm rooting for Serbia, personally. ] 10:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==slavic toponymes in Greece== | |||
Help needed in this article(Slavic toponymes in Greece)! http://en.wikipedia.org/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places . Very strange article that doesn’t uses any sources. Please check the talk page, Plese advise and help. Regards (Seleukosa 19:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)) | |||
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==Project European Union== | |||
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Φίλε Κέκρωψ, | |||
Even though I am sympathetic to your edits to this MOS, I felt that I had to revert them. Τhere are a number of things in the MOS that are unfavorable to Greeks, but the other side feels the same about other points. Now that a balanced policy has been created by mutual agreement, care needs to be taken when making changes. I propose that you repost your suggestion in the Talk page for discussion. Φιλικά, ] 07:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Blocked for edit warring at ] OR ]== | |||
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== Stop Vandalism in Albania's page! == | |||
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:Anyone can see for themselves who is really vandalising the article. Cheers. ] 16:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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::I have a good mind to report you for ], given your racist diatribes against non-Albanians editing ] and now your baseless accusations of sockpuppetry. You have already violated ] several times over. Don't push your luck. ] 15:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Rfc for Human rights of Kurds in Turkey == | |||
I've started an rfc, feel free to add your comment on the talk page. --] 09:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Kapnisma== | |||
Geia sou file, enas akatanomastos epimenei se geloia edits ], rikse se parakalw mia matia. | |||
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== thanks for the help == | |||
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== demogra[hic history of macedonia == | |||
Hi. About the above article, i noticed your two objections raised in the slavic, avar .. section. I agree with what you say, and certainly was not trying to push the point that macedonia was completely slavicised. I hope the little adjustments reflect this ] 14:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Kingdom of Greece== | |||
Kekrops: I saw you reverted the orthography of Βασίλειον της Έλλάδος ''Vasileion tis Ellados'' to Βασίλειον τῆς Ἑλλάδος ''Vasileion tes Ellados''. I am not sure if the characters you have used appear for other users, but I have looked at this on two different computers and I get square blocks in place of letters. I expect that you are using a polytonic orthography, which would be synchronal, but might be hard for everyone to see. The other thing is your use of tes for της. I am not sure what system of transliteration you are using, but in modern Greek tes sounds like ταις or τες, not της. Regards, ]] 06:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
:All newer operating systems/browsers support polytonic script, but I've added ] for your benefit. Let me know if it comes up for you now. Regarding your second point, I have changed the transliteration to ''tīs'' as per the ] standard. Το ''tes'' είναι όντως αναχρονιστικό εδώ, αφού δεν αναφερόμαστε στην αρχαία γλώσσα αλλά στην καθαρεύουσα, η οποία αν και αρχαΐζουσα δεν παύει να αποτελεί μορφή της νεοελληνικής. ] 08:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Apparently, I had an older browser :) Thank you for using the polytonic template. ]] 15:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
== ], the novel == | |||
Thanks for your remark to my query on the ]. The field is, of course, wide open for some author with an other-than-] surname to write a ]-winning novel from a different standpoint. I only doubted one point re: the credence of evacuation scene: the ease with which the protagonist acquired ] protection for himself and putative relatives to emigrate. Are we to understand that the French officials were sympathetic and/or lax? -- ''Thanks, ] 15:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)'' | |||
== FYROM accession move == | |||
My apologies, I misread the debate and thought Husond's statement at top was the result, not the proposal. Thanks for fixing my mistake! --] 19:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Geography textbook and child encyclopedia == | |||
::Hello Kékrōps. see my last revision (it is 100% of your version with added private published in front of the encyclopedia). I just added state published for the geography textbook. Τι νομιζεις? Τωρα καλα ειναι? Για σου. ] 20:42, 09 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
Ευχαριστώ για το καλωσόρισμα, αλλά πράγματι σκοπεύω να ψιλοαραιώσω αυτή τη φορά. Έχουν καταντήσει τόσο αστείοι πια! Τα λέμε, ]] 00:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Τῷ ὄντι. ] 01:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Germanos karavagelis === | |||
To arthro gia ton Germano Karavageli dexete sinexos epitheseis! Pos mporoume na to prostatepsoume???? | |||
] 09:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Sfages stin Epanastasi== | |||
Signomi, alla mporeis na koitaxies to artho ] sto savvatokyriako? Eho kani pebert tpia fores kai den 8elw na me mplokarisoun. | |||
] 15:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Violation of ] at ] in edit summary == | |||
You have plainly violated ] with this edit summary . Using racial, ethnic or religious slurs is a more serious variety of incivility. | |||
The usual course, to revert your own comment, is unavailable, as you've placed it in an edit summary. I suggest that this is sufficiently serious that you place an apology on the article's talk page. ] 00:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I don't understand what you're talking about. Have a read of ]. ] 00:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
==]== | |||
Greetings! | |||
Please refer to the above page for a suggestion on getting this article back on track. | |||
Cordially, ] 03:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Kalimera Kekrops== | |||
Macedon s story was linked through out its history with the argead dynasty till alexander the great so the left arrow has a meaning with the sense that it redirects to the argeades. ] 07:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Chrysostomos of Smyrna == | |||
To arthro gia ton Chrysostomo Smyrnis eixe kakopoiithi agria apo tous tourkous xristes!!! Prospathisa na to diorthoso alla pithana na xreiastei voithia!!! | |||
me ektimisi | |||
] 16:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Hi Kekrops== | |||
I ve noticed the latest change you made on GDP per capita for Greece. Maybe you should also update the GDP per capita ranking for 2007 data so that the ranking for each country corresponds to the article ''GDP per capita list''?? Because for Greece you put no 18th and on the list its ranked 19th and that creates a contradiction. Cheers] 12:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I know, but that has been the case for as long as I can remember. Individual country infoboxes tend to have more up-to-date information than the main article, unfortunately. ] 12:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Heh... == | |||
No problem about the "many". :-) Hadn't even seen it was removed or re-added. ] ] 11:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Ναι, καλά τώρα. ] 11:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Well done == | |||
Thank you for keeping an objective, open mind re: naming dispute, and not just mass reverting my edits. I thought your touch-ups were good, factual and fair ] 03:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, your're right Greek is probably the closest extant language to ancient Macedonian; unless Albanians somehow claim it ! :) ] 22:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Kekrops== | |||
i know you noticed it, but just not to give you the chance to run away from the discussion as it now has become a tradition for you Kekrops.. See that section with the name Kekrop that i opened in the Pontic Greek Genocide article..As i said that you simple provoke me to open an article which i think should have existed any way..You may be suprised but there many historians who uses the word genocide, ethnic cleanesing about what the Greek army had done there..--] 20:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Valid Tags == | |||
Dont remove valid tags. concentrate on fixing the problems that the tags highlight.] 19:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
:The problem is your use of the tags to push a POV agenda. ] 19:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Racist! == | |||
You sir are a racist!!! You offensive terms have crossed the line. | |||
I demand that you retract your statements and stop harrasing me!!! You are also pushing your POV agenda on many pages! | |||
"I'm sorry, but Skopjan nationalist websites hardly constitute reliable sources. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 13:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC) " | |||
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Macedonia_%28terminology%29{{unsigned|Xstatik}} | |||
:Piss off. ] 14:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Arbcom case == | |||
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== you edits == | |||
Hi, do you have a source for the city of Skopje not being in the Macedonian Empire? thanks, ] 17:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Just take a look at the map cited in the article. ] 17:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::By looking at the map, I would say Skopje is right at the border (hence the ancient Greek name "watch tower"), if not at least the southern districts of modern Skopje were in the empire. ] 17:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::Skopje belonged to ], actually. ] 17:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::That part of Skopje belonging to Dardania was added a couple days ago, and it has no source. ] 17:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::::According to this map from ''A History of the Ancient World'' by George Willis Botsford Ph.D., published by The MacMillan Company in 1913, it certainly covered Skopje and as north as the ] as well. ] 17:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::::Ummm, even that map cited above places Skopje in the conquered area ''outside'' Macedonia, clearly called "Thrace". Other such conquered parts on the map are e.g. Egypt and Persia. Neither of the two respective modern states claim their modern capitals were ...within Macedonia. Of course, all of them were part of the ] world that followed. ]] 19:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Your comment on NikoSilver's talk page == | |||
appears to me directed to me personally. I believe it is out of line. Please revert yourself. ] (]) 16:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:You posted your opinion, and I posted mine. ] (]) 16:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Vlachs again == | |||
Why are you removing information about the self identification of Vlachs in the Republic like this (line 272/269)? Don't say it's not relevant because it's as relevant as the Slavophones in Greece identifying as Greeks. And where is the 1994 census data? I'm not saying that I don't believe there were 250,000 but it needs a source. Although if there were 250,000 in 1994, and under 10,000 in 2002 (verified), shouldn't there be over 240,000 people identifying as Greek? Unless they don't think they are/were Greek. There are only a few hundred Greeks in the republic and 962 citizens of the Republic in Greece. Alex ] (]) 02:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I've reverted the edit as a whole, which contained a lot of POV crap. You're welcome to re-add the source re the < 10,000 Vlachs in 2002. ] (]) 04:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Oh OK. It's annoying when people add some sourced material and then add POV. Alex ] (]) 05:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Greek people Template: Yeah, but they're still not a subgroup of Greeks. Unless ''all'' of them identify as Greeks then it doesn't count. The Megelenites across the border and the Aromanians in the diaspora do not identify as Greeks because they're not. There is more evidence to put them as a subgroup of Romanians than Greeks. Alex ] (]) 07:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:They are a subgroup of Greeks in Greece, where the majority of them live. The criterion that ''all'' of them have to identify as Greeks simply isn't valid. These templates are not mutually exclusive, and no one is stopping you from including the Aromanians as a subset of another ethnic group. Actually, ]. ] (]) 07:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::They are not a subgroup of any ethnic group. That is my point. Everyone is a subgroup of Greeks in Greece. Your criterion isn't valid either. "Aromanian" does not equate to "Arvanite". Arvanite is a specific term referring to the Albanians that have Greek identity. Aromanian refers to ''all'' the people who speak the Aromanian language (and then some) regardless of what they regard themselves. If someone says "I am an Arvanite" then you can say "You are Greek". If someone says "I am an Aromanian" you cannot necessarily say "You are Greek". The Aromanians are a people who live south of the Danube. They identify either as plain Vlachs or as a member of whichever nation they live in. Alex ] (]) 08:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::"They are not a subgroup of any ethnic group." That's just your opinion. I know many Greek Vlachs who would strongly disagree. ] (]) 08:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::They are an ethnic group by themselves that identifies as whatever they want depending on where they are. It doesn't change that they are Aromanians. I know many Vlachs that don't live in Greece who would be greatly offended if someone said they were are a subset of Greeks. Alex ] (]) 08:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::::And the Greek Vlachs would be greatly offended if you told them they weren't. Or that they should be included in ]. Greeks are also greatly offended by the misuse of the name ''Macedonia'', but as I've been told time and again, offence or lack thereof is not a criterion on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 08:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::::::I never said that they should be included in Romanians as they are not. But they are more Romanian than they are Greek. "Misuse" of the name Macedonia is just your opinion. What should we call the ones who want to call themselves Macedonians and ''nothing else''? Apparently Skopians. You call yourself Greek - so people call you Greek, but then you call yourself Macedonian, so then people have to call you Macedonian and disambiguate the others. Call yourself Blue - then go argue that the ] is offending you. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
==The NPOV solution== | |||
I seem to be getting along with kekrops OK so far in the ] article and he did pick up a serious error in a published book. As I read through here I see that a lot of the controversy is being generated by ethnic or national feelings. I dare say, the Balkans have always been a very emotional topic. The mountains provide a certain degree of protection in which remnants or bastions of ethnic groups can survive and they always feel like a beleaguered minority that has to assert their identity more vigorously. I think the Misplaced Pages NPOV policy rises above all that. Because we are contesting here on the Internet rather than in the field we can afford to take a "friendly enemy" type of approach. Regardless of what you may personally think, in these articles you become non-committal. This is a tough task to accomplish but who said the use of the intellect was anything easy! So what I would suggest is a real effort to stick to NPOV using bland statements and a non-committal matter-of-fact tone. Pour oil upon troubled waters. Put off going to war until tomorrow; meanwhile, you don't have to say all those nasty things today.] (]) 13:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks, Dave. Was that post intended for someone else or do you habitually address others in the third person? ] (]) 14:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Sumerian == | |||
Hoi. for having an eye on this. --] <small>]</small> 21:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:No worries. ] (]) 03:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Ethnically derogatory terms == | |||
Please see my comments at ]. In the interests of promoting a better editing environment on the Macedonia-related articles, I plan to take a tougher line this year on civility. Ethnically derogatory terms such as "Skopjans" are not acceptable and their use is specifically prohibited per ]. I request that you cease using such terms, as they cause unnecessary tension and offence. This ''will'' be enforced, so please take heed of this advice. -- ] (]) 12:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:See my answer on the noticeboard. ] (]) 12:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Hello== | |||
1. According to Misplaced Pages, The turkish republic of northern Cyprus is a sovereign state - as you can see in the ]. | |||
2. The name of article about ] in Wikpidia - is not FYR Macedonia. | |||
] (]) 20:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:It is according to ] in certain contexts. The IMF is one such international organisation that uses ''FYROM'' rather than "Macedonia". As for the "TRNC", it is only on that list under "States ''claiming'' sovereignty". What about ], ], ], ] and ]? Why are they not listed? ] (]) 04:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Marcos Baghdatis == | |||
Why do you remove my edits on the page for Marcos Baghdatis where I claim that he is racist and provide video evidence of him attending a BBQ proving my claims to be true? I have received warnings such as "The next time you violate Misplaced Pages's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced defamatory content into an article or any other Misplaced Pages page, as you did to Marcos Baghdatis, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages." However I beleive the youtube link as proof and this should be a suitable enough reference. I thought that this piece of information would be interesting to have in the Trivia section of his wiki site. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:Because they are defamatory. A chant about ending the Turkish occupation of his homeland is patriotic, not racist. Grow up. ] (]) 02:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
According to you it's patriotic, I'll take a wild stab in the dark and say you are Greek and by the sound of many comments on your talk page you are also "Patriotic". Everybody here who I've shown the video to, from many different backgrounds, all believe it to be racist. You will probably just remove my posts from your talk section as well but I don't care. Also is your name John by any chance? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:None of your business. Now piss off. ] (]) 06:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
==TRNC== | |||
:Hello. I understand well your position; However: | |||
:The term "cyprus" in CIA report appears twice (one is for the real Cyprus, the socond being for the northern territory), and is undoubtedly a simple mistake. | |||
:The second table in "]" - is intended to reflect CIA report, while the term used by CIA is rather "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus(TRNC)" - as you can see . | |||
:No difference between Taiwan and TRNC: Both countries are indicated (in Misplaced Pages) as '''claiming''' sovereignty, but are not recognized by all countries: Taiwan is recognized by 27 countries (out of 192 UN members), while TRNC is recognized by Turkey only. Therefore, since Taiwan is indicated in the second table as a state (because it claims sovereignty and is recognized by "some" countries), so TRNC should be indicated in the second table as a state (because it claims sovereignty and is recognized by "some" countries - i.e: Turkey). | |||
:I hope you understand my position. | |||
:] (]) 19:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
::Except that Taiwan has its own entry, while the "TRNC" doesn't. Numbering it gives the false impression that the CIA recognises it as a separate entity, when in fact it treats it under the entry for Cyprus. I believe my version is a fair compromise, where the data are preserved but the territory is not numbered. Regardless of the name used by the CIA, which in fact uses "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" only in ], Misplaced Pages has its own naming conventions. And on Misplaced Pages, the article is located at ]. ] (]) 19:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
==ROU v BUL== | |||
Romania is much richer than Bulgaria. We are both countries now in EU but Romania is much richer. Romanians have a better standard of living and they are richer. That's why they can afford to spend their money all over the world including Bulgaria. ] (]) 15:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Da, da. ] (]) 15:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
So you agree, how nice you even speak Romanian ] (]) 17:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:It's the same in Bulgarian and all other Slavic languages, isn't it? ] (]) 17:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
Unfortunatelly yeah..] (]) 17:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I've always been curious, actually. Why did Roumanian adopt the Slavic ''da'' when most other Romance languages have a variation of ''sí''? ] (]) 17:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
::First, you as greek should know so far. Second, it's not ROU and of course not "Roumanian". Third, you have in your own greek turkish words. It's about the religion here. In the church, Romanians belonged to Greek Orthodoxy and was imposed with slavonic language, so that's why "Da" but in some regions one can say "e" which is the same as in Portuguese. Tell me if you need other explanations in details. ] (]) 17:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::Because up to 19th century the official documents of Wallachia were written in Church Slavonic (Old Bulgarian) and also the Bulgarians had ruled Wallachia for centuries and there were a lot of Slavs in what is now Romania. --] (]) 17:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::But it is ROU; ]. As for Greek having Turkish loanwords, so does Roumanian, but "yes" is one of the most basic words in a language. "...belonged to Greek Orthodoxy"; but ''da'' is Slavic, not Greek. ] (]) 17:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
::At least we get rid of old-fashion, borring slavics and returned to the true roots. ] (]) 17:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
Kekrops, it's Romanian and not Roumanian, do you get it? ] (]) 17:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I prefer the older English spelling, which is retained in Greek, French and other languages. ''Romanía'' in Greek historically refers to the ], of which modern-day ] was only a small part. ] (]) 17:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
::Prefer what you want but when you speak it, pretend to be polite otherwise you'll get an irony for Greece also. Not from me, BTW, because I like Greece but perhaps from BG who are very friendly with you..] (]) 17:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::It wouldn't make a difference, actually, because both ''Romania'' and ''Roumania'' are pronounced identically in English, i.e. with a ]. ] (]) 17:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
I... give it a break will you?] (]) 17:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Wasn't it ]? As for your cross-Danube war with the Bulgarians, I have very good friends from both countries, so I'm staying well away from this one. ] (]) 17:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::Actually, they aren't pronounced the same in English. "Romania" is pronounced like "Roe-mania" and "Roumania" is pronounced like "Rue-mania". ''']]''' 04:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::To clarify, Roe rhymes with "go" and "dough", whereas Rue rhymes with "who" and "blue". ''']]''' 04:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::Depends on the accent, I suppose. Most BBC newsreaders say {{IPA|ɹə'meɪnjə}} or something very close to it. ] (]) 04:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::::Anton, hello from me too. Is there some special reason why "Roumania" is not polite? BTW in Greek language your country is called "Ρουμανία" (Roumanía), and the people are called "Ρουμάνοι" (Roumáni). And Kekrops is right: When Greeks say "Ρωμανία" (R'''o'''manía) they generally mean the ]. See the featured ]. Anyway, there's no intent of sounding insulting with "Roumania", but why would it be? ]] 10:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::::You might want to look at ], Niko. There is a (semi-)relevant discussion about usage of anything other than "Romanians". ''']]''' 11:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Yes, I saw that. But there's no mention of why it may be insulting. Also, I can't figure it out, because we Greeks accept to be called various completely irrelevant names ("Greek", "Yunan", "Rum" etc) from the current self-identifying one ("Hellenes"). But I have noticed that the longer the history of a people, the more names they have! See e.g. Jews (Hebrews, Ivrit etc) or Germans (Deutch, Tedeschi, Allemagni etc) or French (Gaulles) etc etc. Maybe Anton could explain why (and if) "Roumania/n" can sound insulting? ]] 11:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
Niko, first Romanians feel and act like latins. No slavic, no barbarims and only latin, culture, civilization of Rome. If you ask Romanians have never had good opinions about slavic people. Ask them for yourself. And as a matter of pride in their name has to be the one of the Romans, Roma (the capital..), that's why Romanians say in Romanian language: România with Ro and not with Rou or Ru..:( it's odd and strange to hear 'Ru'. ] (]) 21:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::::To spice it up a little bit... Here in Sofia that I am now, Bulgarians tell me that occasionally they refer to us as "Byzantíne" in a pejorative way (i.e. something like cunning, diplomatic, twisting etc). The Greeks here, however, ironically accept the appellation with pride! (for some weird reason I do too btw!) ]] 11:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
If you're now in Sofia ask them about their low wages. All the Bulgarians dream to have Romanian standard of living. Since now Bulgaria is so cheap for Romanians a lot of them go shopping in Ruse. They also made some videos that can be seen in Youtube.com. Bulgaria for a Romanian looks 2 times oldish and backward: 1) because of the writting system, nobody can understand that oldish way of writting with letters hard to spell 2) there's nothing to attract you there, just backward poor "state" with lots of holes in the streets and corrupted policemens. 3) their language that sounds like Russian with ta-ta-ta-ta rythm, like a tractor ta-ta-ta-tata, very unmelodious and very annoying. 4) dirty everywhere, it stinks and smells bad. These people (with a lot of gypsy-bulgars) haven't discovered yet the soap and shampoo..or maybe it's too expensive. Bulgarian women also don't wash..:(( ] (]) 21:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Also, have you heard they don't use toilet paper? also, use turkish WC..An average Bulgarian consumes 4 times less soap and shampoo than a Romanian, as statistics confirm.--] (]) 21:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Also, it's well known that slavic women don't like to wash ..down there ..:(( prepare to ask her to go to wash before..hmm I mean if you want to fuck a slavic woman..Their pussy stinks...] (]) 21:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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