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== Warning messages == | ||
| Hi David. I don't know who to ask about this, but thought you might know. There are a few sources that have come to RSN that aren't really in need of full deprecation, but that are wasting editors time by being reused and readded. Take for instance ], a source that was both UGC and circular but was needing continuous clean up by the editors of the astronomic objects project. Ultimately deprecation was used so a warning appeared if you try to add it, stopping it from being a timesink. But really it didn't need the other aspects of deprecation. I was looking to find out how we got to the current deprecation process, and how editors went about getting it setup, as part of thinking about a slightly different solution for these sources. A different setup with a warning about UGC, self published, circular sources etc, rather than the deprecation one. I'm waffling on. -- <small>LCU</small> ''']''' <small>''«]» °]°''</small> 01:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry if this isn't possible, but could you see if ] is a sockpuppet of ]? There's a current arbcom case rof Ril. And this anon's been badgering me on my talk page, and making personal attacks elsewhere and vandalized RFAr. It's , where he comments on Ed's arbitration case and signs using the infamous four tildes Ril signature, that really makes me think it it. It appears to be a static IP as well. Thanks. ]·] 16:20, September 1, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :so the history is the looooong RFC on the Daily Mail, which then opened a process for ruling other sources such obvious wastes of time that they could be similarly classed as almost never to be used - I would go through the deprecation RFCs in rough historical order to get an idea of how it developed as an idea. | |||
| :UGC is its own class of thing, and you can see the reasoning behind deprecation: that some editors are so persistent in wanting to use known bad sources that you eventually have to make a rule that says "no." Even as all new rules are bad - ] (]) 14:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ==Happy First Edit Day!== | |||
| ==How to add your photo to a wiki article== | |||
| <!-- ##RW UNDERDATE## --> | |||
| ''You have seen the picture, now here are the instructions'' | |||
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| Hello David. I would like to help others and to help myself by being able to write the article on ''How to add your photo to a wiki article''. I can compress an image, and upload it, but at the moment that is as far as I can take it. This is for images from cameras which people are prepared to place in the public domain. I have read and tried but to no avail. The furthest I got was to create a link to my photo; it did not get imbedded in the article. I know the instructions are there somewhere, deep in the many pages of detail, but I keep stuffing up. I would like to have and write (or provoke the writing of) the BRIEF SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS for embedding a picture in a wiki article. I look forward to being experienced and useful and being a helper myself. Garrison Roo my email address is garrison at exemail dot com dot au One of the articles I have been working on is Lakemba, New_South_Wales. I am also the most involved in another non-profit organisation which uses wiki, and we are winging it !! | |||
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| |style="text-align:left" width="100%"|Happy First Edit Day, '''David Gerard''', from the ]! '''Have a great day!''' ] (]) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :There's something somewhere on meta ... I'll see if I can find a moment to look around - ] 16:29, 4 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thank you== | |||
| Not everyone shares your criteria for RFAs. I'm not even sure I do (depends on the definition of "crazy" and "stupid"). However, you are one of a few editors who had actually encountered me before my failed RFA, so I appreciate your vote of confidence all the more. Thank you. ] 11:51, 4 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :When they say admin isn't a big deal, it really isn't. It doesn't require any more social skills than to run, ''e.g.'', a PHP-BB forum. You wouldn't want everyone having the keys, but it's not a ''special'' ability. If you continue to work at the encyclopedia and you're put up again in a few months, you'll almost certainly do fine :-) - ] 16:29, 4 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==University of Houston IP block== | |||
| I direct your attention to ], where your block of Environknot's IP is discussed. It's now been unblocked. In your opinion, was the unblocking a wise move? --] | ] 02:16, September 7, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :If it's not open any more, then it shouldn't be a blocked proxy - ] 11:05, 7 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Joolz's RFA== | |||
| Hey David, thanks for your vote on my recent RFA, your support was appreciated :) -- ] 11:52, 9 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==LMC== | |||
| Glad it met with wider approval. ] 15:03, 10 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == CheeseDreams sockpuppet? == | |||
| It has been suggested on ] that {{user|WholemealBaphomet}} is a sock of banned user {{user|CheeseDreams}}. Their writing styles seem similar, and they appear to edit from the same POV. If I'm not mistaken, every sockpuppet use adds a week to the ban. I'd appreciate it if you could check this out. Thanks, ] <sup>]</font></sup> 18:02, 11 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sockpuppet check request== | |||
| Sorry to bother you, but I don't know where one would formally request a sockpuppet check. | |||
| Can you confirm/match the IPs of the following?: | |||
| *{{User|Zephram Stark}} | |||
| *{{User|Go Cowboys}} | |||
| *{{User|Felice L'Angleterre}} | |||
| I believe them to be the same, and therefore probably using the same IP or open proxies, possibly one of these, which Zephram Stark has used for sockpuppet support: | |||
| * {{User|67.136.36.2}} | |||
| * {{User|4.124.74.165}} | |||
| * {{User|211.26.218.9}} | |||
| * {{User|69.174.193.208}} | |||
| * {{User|4.124.93.149}} | |||
| * {{User|72.11.72.185}} | |||
| * {{User|64.114.81.166}} | |||
| Thank you. --] | ] 00:08, September 12, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I've already blocked Go Cowboys and Felice L'Angleterre indefinitely, and if Zeph does it once more, I'm blocking that account indefinitely too. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 01:47, September 12, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Go Cowboys appears to be Zephram Stark using their work connection instead of their home one. As if it wasn't obvious from the edits themselves. Felice as well, amazingly enough. Of the IPs, 67.136 and 211.26 are highly plausible; 4.124 ''doesn't'' appear to be, nor 69.174, 72.11 or 64.114 - though if the edits match I'd suspect open proxies or similar. - ] 07:38, 12 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *Could you try one more? {{User|Professor Stevens}}. --]] 23:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *It would be great if you could try this one too: ]. --] 22:14, 22 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :FYI, I've just blocked ] indefinitely. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 22:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Yet another sockpuppet check request == | |||
| This one is directly related to an ongoing ArbCom case. Please see | |||
| ] for further details, including a list of IPs. Thanks, --]<big>]</big> 14:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Yet another sock check== | |||
| Hi, David, are you busy? I'm wondering about several problem users, that seem to coalesce a bit sometimes. Other people besides myself have suspicions that they're the same person, please compare . Anyway, here they are: | |||
| *], has the obvious sockpuppets ] and ], and also edits from ] and ] (and so on from a whole range, I bet. :-() | |||
| *], has driven Lucky 6.9 to distraction, please compare ]. Note that his contribs list looks much less heinous than it should, as his specialty is creating lots of rubbish stubs and templates, which get deleted and disappear from the list. | |||
| *], don't know about that one, but again compare the ] thread. | |||
| Imdaking and Wiki brah are extremely disruptive, 100% nuisance editors, in fact I've borrowed your phrase about "showing them the door" on ] to make my point. They really, really need permabanning, as they're wearing out good editors and giving wiki absolutely nothing in return. I can't believe there will be any difficulty convincing the ArbCom of that, but effectively keeping them out is a different matter, since at least Imdaking is using nimble dynamic IP's. If we should have the good fortune to find that the two of them are the same, and that all the edits come from a reasonably blockable range, well, that would be a big relief for several harrassed editors (], ], ]). ] | ] 14:46, 12 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Since I am the one that first brought up the question, I now think that User:LILVOKA is most likely not connected directly to the others, but I think there probably is a connection between Imdaking and ]. ]<font color=#2554C7> </font>] 15:51, 12 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::And also add ], who also signed up around the same time, and also seems to keep crossing paths with some of the others. I wonder if they are all some elaborate interlinking troll game. ]<font color=#2554C7> </font>] 20:26, 12 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::And looking at the very first edit by ] (see ) and a few other of his edits, suggests that there is a strong connection between him and another problematic editor, ]. ]<font color=#2554C7> </font>] 11:38, 13 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Nice response to Space Opera article== | |||
| Take a look at http://stopmidsentence.blogspot.com/2005/09/scientology-two-things-i-just-learned.html ... -- ] 21:00, 12 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :This one's a laugh as well - http://intepid.com/2005-09-10/14.59/ -- ] 19:02, 14 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :And more... http://www.livejournal.com/users/blizack/177566.html -- ] 19:01, 15 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Yuber arbitration == | |||
| David, before Yuber's case is closed, can I ask you to look at ], and specifically my post ? I feel that Guy should be allowed to present evidence if he's to suffer the same penalty as Yuber, and should have been told that Fred had compiled evidence against him. Cheers, ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 02:39, 14 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Haven't touched this case myself, but I've forwarded your message to the AC list - ] 09:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks, David. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 02:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == ], etc. == | |||
| I'm sorry to bother you about a couple of things: | |||
| *I've recently added new evidence that discusses AI's belligerent revert warring and intimidation. AI has unapologetically verified (on the evidence page) that I have quoted him accurately. I noticed a motion suggested to close the arbitration, but I hope that the new evidence will be considered beforehand, as it may affect the decision. | |||
| *Also ArbCom related: I don't know if you caught my sock check request ({{user|CheeseDreams}}={{user|WholemealBaphomet}}?). (I guess it's likely that you did catch it and are dealing with a CheckUser back-log and other commitments). Baphomet is continually disrupting Misplaced Pages, and a sock confirmation would simplify matters. | |||
| I'd be grateful if you could look into these things if/when you get the chance. Thanks, and sorry again for the bother. ] <sup>]</font></sup> 05:15, 14 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm recused from the AI case, but I've forwarded your message to the AC list - ] 09:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Request for CheckUser on ]== | |||
| Please be advised that I have filed a ] against ] (Previously and still editing as Anon 80.141.235.81 and others under a Dynamic IP) for repeated viloations of Misplaced Pages policy and ]. As stated in my Request for arbitration, I and another User (] both believe this person to be the sockpuppet of a signed in Misplaced Pages user created solely to make edits to half a dozen articles, referencing and linking then all to ]. As such, please accept this as a formal request that you access ] to review the past seven days of ] and in order to check this possibility. Thank you. ] 22:02, 14 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :These accusations really make me smile. I don't know what this CheckUser is, but I agree to use it, so that everybody can see that I am ] using a dynamic IP address and sometimes forgetting to log in under my nickname. Perhaps you may also have a look whether there are further nicknames used by ] and ] who have frequently accused me to be a sockpuppet of a Misplaced Pages administrator. ] 00:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| If you look at the top of this page, you'll see CheckUser is presently broken - ] 06:15, 15 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I understand ] is now working. Could you please advise on the matter regarding ]. Thank you. - ] 14:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I left a fairly reasonable comment on this user's talk page to do with him having edited your user page, and got a mouthful of abuse in return. What's going on? -- ] | ] 14:44, 16 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :He appears to react in unpleasant ways to people. I know there's a few admins ''this'' close to blocking him as an abusive POV-pushing troll and probably sock puppet, though I probably couldn't be bothered doing so myself (and me saying so is neither authorisation for or caution against such a move) - ] 15:25, 16 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Misplaced Pages 1.0 sifting == | |||
| I'm a new member of the WP 1.0 editorial team. I have spent many hours going over all the ideas proposed on the Misplaced Pages 1.0 pages for finding acceptable articles, as I wanted to summarise the main ideas as a prelude to the team working on them (if they want to!). The idea of having general users do much of the cleanup and article selection work is (I think) one of the main ideas out there. The idea was proposed by ] for using tabs to facilitate the process, and I also like Mark Lewis's idea of having user's rate the article. These seem to have a lot in common with (Let me know if you disagree!). I have a few questions about your approach: | |||
| * Do you still advocate this approach? Have you made any changes since your original posting? | |||
| * What should this project be called? | |||
| * What progress (if any) has been made on this since March? I realise that things have been pretty much stalled, but if things have been achieved I'd like to know about it. | |||
| * Do you have ideas on how to get "from here to there"? It seems that first we have to convince the community that it is a good idea, and second we have to get the people who write wiki code to write the code for implementing it. I'm very ignorant of this sort of thing, so personally I can't really help, I'm afraid! | |||
| I'll post things on the team page in a few days, feel free to edit things there as well if I've got anything wrong. Thanks, ] 20:38, 17 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sock check - Ray Lopez ArbCom case == | |||
| {{user|Stirling Newberry}} recently filed an ArbCom request over the actions of {{user|Ray Lopez}}. I don't know if ArbCom is going to accept the case or not, so whether this passes your test of 'plausibly related to an ArbCom case' is up to you. | |||
| Anyway, Stirling Newberry reported that someone was forging his username and defacing images. Turns out it was a lookalike account name (StirIing with a capital ''eye'') that made the changes. I've blocked the imposter, but it might be worthwhile to try a sock check between the imposter {{user|StirIing Newberry}} and the accused ]. Thanks! ](]) 15:51, 18 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I just noticed that ] indefinitely blocked ] two or three weeks ago. Obviously that reduces the urgency of my request—though evidence of abusive sockpuppetry certainly would lend added weight to Theresa's block. ](]) 16:06, 18 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Stirling is REALLY PISSED OFF , and I'm not surprised. Sigh ... losing Stirling to the trolls is a major blow to Misplaced Pages IMO - ] 21:19, 18 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == {{User|Amin123}}, {{User|Aventura}}, {{User|154.20.105.198}} == | |||
| David, could you please check to see if these are the same individual? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 02:51, 19 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == ] in a rather odd context == | |||
| Check out . Weird, but I think possibly meant to be tongue-in-cheek. :-) -- ] 16:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :That famous galactic overlord! - ] 16:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == And another... == | |||
| Repeating (you might have missed this interspersed above): Could you try one more? {{User|Professor Stevens}}, compare and contrast with {{User|Zephram Stark}} as above. --]] 18:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Could also take a look at {{User|EKBK}} in regards to {{User|Zephram Stark}}. Thanks. ] | ] 15:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::I've already blocked Professor Stevens. I'm minded to block EKBK too. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 02:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::Why is the sockpuppet blocked but not Mr. Stark himself? --] 07:03, 23 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| '''Update:''' As of 23 Sep 2005, arbitration has been requested against Zephram Stark. One of his suspected sockpuppets {{User|EKBK}} has made a statement supporting Zephram. ] | ] 18:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *And, while you're at it, same editor, same possible sock: {{User|Black Angus}}. Note that he's carefully removed . Note also that ZS's RfA has the votes now to enter arbitration. Thanks for the unpleasant detective work. --]] 20:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sock check == | |||
| Not involved in this RFAR, but the edit war just popped up on my watchlist. You may want to sock check {{User|FishingGuy99}} and {{User|Labgal}} for ] in ]. Really, the edits make it obvious. Thanks. ]·] 04:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==My RfA== | |||
| Thanks for your support at my RfA. I'll try to do my best with the old mop. -] 18:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Picture from the wikimeet== | |||
| :] - stuck on commons. ]] 00:47, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Visual Basic Classic Wikibook == | |||
| I see you have contributed to the Visual Basic article on Misplaced Pages. Any chance you would like to join in editing the wikibook: http://en.wikibooks.org/Programming:Visual_Basic_Classic? --] 09:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == My RfA == | |||
| David-- Thank you for your comments on my RfA. I realise that JETFA might seem vulgar to some, but that's one of the reasons I named it JETFA instead of spelling it out. And in fact, when I think of it, I actually think of "Frickin'", so it wasn't so divisive. And while some of the criticisms on my RfA have been a bit more than "gentle comments", I appreciate everyone's remarks. This has been a very eye-opening, encouraging experience. I almost think everyone should be required to go through something like this to help highlight areas of that person that could be improved. Once again, thanks. --]]] <sup><font color="#3D9140">]</font></sup> 14:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sockpuppetry== | |||
| Dear David. I know that you say that you don't normally take this kind of case, but on the other hand it does not hurt to ask. ] is a sockpuppet created only for an oppose vote on rfa. I'd love to know who among our ranks is able to sink so horribly low, because I do not think s/he should get away with this.--] 17:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I had a look. You will be unsurprised to hear it doesn't match anyone, and that's because it's a dynamic dialin IP. Yay. - ] 19:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks David! I really appreciate that you had a look :-).--] 19:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Articles for deletion == | |||
| Uh David? Why did you add Geogre's image to the AFD page? He participates a lot at AFD but I don't think his image really belongs there, does it? ] ] 12:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :The image of a Wikipedian on the prowl out to carefully kill things that must be killed! | |||
| :You can be sure someone will say it's "too frivolous" or something - ] 12:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| #It's too frivolous. | |||
| #Also it verges on a personal comment. | |||
| #Also I cannot see any possible way in which it can help AfD. | |||
| #Also you seem to have started a little bit of an edit war, since SPUI has now reinserted the image. | |||
| How long before someone puts ]'s Godwinian image up there, I wonder? Really, ], I expect better from an administrator. ] ] 17:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Probably it belongs on CSD more - ] 18:13, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Now that I see that it had Geogre's blessing... well, foreknowledge... well, anyway... I guess my remarks above are a tad on the stuffy and humorless side. ] ] 21:33, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==If you get time, have a look at this== | |||
| ] --]] 07:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Fantastic! I see this is going to run and run - ] 09:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==A question about edit histories== | |||
| Dear David, I wonder about a technical question. Some time ago, ] moved the page ] (the Norn) to ], and made ''Skuld'' into a disambiguation page. ] notified me about this immediately, but I neglected to look into it due to exhaustion from Wikistress. When I finally looked into it, I moved Skuld back to where it used to belong as an article on the ] Skuld. When Coolcat objected to this move, I asked him to file a move request, which failed . Now, everything is back to status quo, except for a vital thing, most of the Norn's is at ]. Since ] who is a user in good standing has insisted that it be fixed, I have to ask you if it is possible.--] 13:38, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah, an admin can do a pile of messing around with histories, versions, etc. It's a long-winded PITA, but it's quite doable. I don't have time at this moment, but if you can find a handy bored admin ... try on IRC, there's en: admins galore on #wikipedia - ] 15:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::I am an admin. How do I do it? Ok, I can try to rearrange so that the original page is named Skuld, but then some of the edit history will belong to the Manga thing.--] 16:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Archive== | |||
| Nice job, burying your mistake away by archiving. You never responded and never substantiated anything. Weak. Btw, nice photo: ]. Larsoner.] 16:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Happy to be of service, do come again! - ] 20:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sorry to bother you ... == | |||
| David, you recently blocked Dervish Tsaddik/Tsaddik Dervish/##.##.##.## for "sockpuppetry." There does not seem to be a Misplaced Pages policy against sockpuppetry, but rather a provision under "" that "Sockpuppets that were created to violate Misplaced Pages policy should be blocked permanently." | |||
| Was there an accusation that DT/TD was being disruptive? I don't think that was the case; DT had noted at one point that his girlfriend was a longstanding Misplaced Pages editor -- it may be that he and she just, for whatever reason, decided to use permutations of the same name. What was the underlying complaint against DT/TD? | |||
| Thanks. | |||
| ] 22:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I am also interested in this. While Dervish Tsaddik is an, er, opinionated editor, I didn't see any evidence that he was using sockpuppets to violate wikipedia policy. Could you explain more fully your reasoning here? ] ] 03:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Tsaddik Dervish and Dervish Tsaddik are the same editor. He also used the IP to pretend to be yet a third person. He knew damn well what he was doing too - ] 06:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::That's not quite responsive to my questions, David. You use the word "pretend" to describe the actions under this IP, but the word, while mildly accusatory, doesn't mean very much in this context. In what way was Dervish Tsaddik/Tsaddik Dervish/## being disruptive or violating Misplaced Pages policy? I note that -- under yet another name, in case you're feeling ban-happy -- Dervish Tsaddik has indicated that indeed "Tsaddik Dervish" is the username of his girlfriend. If "he knew damn well what he was doing," and he intended to deceive people into believing that he was more than one person, using the names "Dervish Tsaddik" and "Tsaddik Dervish" would seem to be an astonishingly foolish choice -- I myself have to look back to be clear which of the names is him and which is his girlfriend. What do you claim he so knowingly was doing? ] 14:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Was this supposed sockpuppetry used for the purpose of voting, for deception and impersonation, or for circumventing policy? I don't think this is at all obvious. This ban seems unjustified to me. I'm going to unban him. ] ] 14:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sockpuppetry check== | |||
| Hi. I wonder if you could investigate something for me in regards to a matter that is now under arbitration. Would you be able to check if any of these IPs are sockpuppets of each other, or could be coming from the same user: | |||
| ] | |||
| ] | |||
| ] | |||
| ] | |||
| ] | |||
| ] | |||
| Thanks for any help you're able to provide. ] 01:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Could you tell me what the result of that check was? I have not been able to find it anywhere and that would resolve this situation once and for all. Thanks!] 14:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I saw socking on one of the IPs (see block log). Still investigating - ] 14:36, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Whre do I find the block log and which IP was it? Thanks for your help, it is appreciated.] 14:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :] - ] 14:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I'm sorry this is all very new and confusing to me. I saw where 64.154...was blocked as being a sockpuppet of some other users, but did you discover that Bigdaddy was the same as any of those users, because he's blocked too and I'm just tryign to figure out where an IP check was done that matched him up to one of the sockpuppeting IPs. Thanks and I'm sorry for being a pain.] 14:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| : hi. as I'm still ''really'' sure I'm not bigDaddy, could you please provide your info/opinion on 67.124.200.240. People are taking your statement here and declaring it some kind of "proof" against me apparently. ] 04:02, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, Mr. Gerard. Thanks for all your help in this matter. Some more evidence has evidently been unearthed ]. What sockpuppets won't do when exposed, huh? ] 06:29, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Mr. Gerard would you please respond to our inquiries? The 64.154.26.251 account that I use is being accused of misuse in a manner in which I do not understand. Can you please explain your blocks so I can either return to using it or stop using the account so I can be out of the shadow of suspicion? On October 4, 2005 about 10:30 (UTC) you blocked three users: BarneyGumble, PaganViking, and LEONARDWATSON for ''infinite'' time. All three users were accused of sockpuppetting the other two accounts, all three were accused of sockpuppeting 64.154.26.251, but only one has an edit history. You have been unavailable for comment for a half a day now. I have no idea when this sockpuppeting happened. This week? Six months ago? A year? I have occasionally looked at the 64.154.26.251 history page, which belongs to a network I share, and saw no talk page references that would indicate any kind of edit disputation or elaborate back and forth discussions, other than my own very recent ones. I am responsible for roughly 75% of the edits of that user ID. I have certainly never seen the names BarneyGumble, PaganViking or LEONARDWATSON before today. Another user of the 64.154.26.251 account has come forward wondering why someone (]) has blocked it (the result of a different accusation which can easily be proven false), and started a new user ID. Is he about to be blocked for ''infinite'' time as well? When can we begin to do the work to disavow whomever sockpuppeted at this earlier time and clear our names? ] 05:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Again, Mr. Gerard, ] is an investigation that may be of interest to you. Thank you. (The "shared network" gambit must be a tiresome one, by now.) ] 06:29, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::If you're going to make false statements about me without evidence, do it on your own talk page, and I will contradict you man to man. Don't start fights on other people's talk pages. ] 08:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::1. It's a true statement. 2. Evidence has been provided; you've just chosen to ignore it. 3. I'll let you know that on the appropriate page, which is this one. 4. I'm not starting a fight, just pointing out you're another tiresome, silly sockpuppet that BD777 is unsuccessfully trying to trick the arbs with. But, boy, the overtime you're putting into this one is entertaining! ] 10:59, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I wouldn't be so sure about any of these until a recognizable common pattern of editing can be identified. ] 12:54, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sortan == | |||
| David | |||
| Interesting (albeit ultimately non-useful) sockpuppet check on Sortan. Interestingly, Sortan commented on WP:AN/I about me very quickly after I'd commented on it about him, but in such a way that he wouldn't find the comment by looking at my user contributions (as I was logged out). Whoever it is is probably a relatively prolific user, and also has WP:AN/I on their watchlist, ] 19:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Hello, {{PAGENAME}}. In case you haven't noticed, I'm writing a special series on the upcoming 2005 ArbCom elections for '']''. In the October 17 issue, we will be profiling the current ArbCom members. Note that this should not be a platform for re-election; rather, it should serve as an insight into what ''you'' feel about the ArbCom, and your opinions of it are. Thus, I hope you don't mind answering a few questions. Many thanks! | |||
| 1. Are up for re-election this year? <br> 2. If so, do you plan to run for re-election? <br> 3. How do you feel about serving on the ArbCom? <br> 4. What do you think are the strengths of the ArbCom? <br> 5. Weaknesses? <br> 6. If you could change anything, what would you change? Why? <br> 7. Do you regret accepting your position? Why or why not? <br> 8. If you could say one thing to the current ArbCom candidates, what would you say, and why? <br> 9. Do you think your job is easy? Hard? Explain. <br> 10. Looking in retrospective, is there anything you would have done differently? <br> 11. Do you feel that the ArbCom is appreciated by the community? If not, how do you think that could be changed? <br> 12. What is the most frustrating thing about being on the ArbCom? Enjoyable? | |||
| I hope you didn't mind me bombarding with you with questions; by no means feel obligated to answer all (or any) of them. Thanks for serving Misplaced Pages, and for taking your time to help a ''Signpost'' reporter! ] |<small> ]</font color>| ] </small>| ]<sub>] </sub> 14:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :# My term runs out end of this year. | |||
| :# Nope. I signed up for a year because I had a good grasp of my attention span ;-) In any case, I'm presently marked inactive owing to work pressures and just a bit of burnout. | |||
| :#It's worth doing, but crikey it's a lot of work and involves dealing with a lot of utter stupidity. | |||
| :#It keeps a lot of rubbish out of Jimbo's in-tray, so he can get on with other things. It gives us a mechanism to get rid of the truly poisonous or the truly clueless. | |||
| :#It's not scaling too well - as the wiki gets more popular, the number of editors and hence the number of problem children goes up in proportion - and we're burning through arbs at a horrendous rate. It gets some people thinking in terms of taking editors they're arguing with to the authorities rather than actually trying to work with people they disagree with. (The AC Is Not Your Mother. It's the ''last'' resort, not the ''first''.) | |||
| :#I would wave a magic wand and make the statements and evidence submitted more concise, well-written and clueful. Unfortunately, many problem editors (particularly those too clueless to work with others) are weak on precisely these points. | |||
| :#Not at all. It's a messy job, but it's got to be done. | |||
| :#"You have not understood the depths of human stupidity on Misplaced Pages until you have tried to sort out some of these things." | |||
| :#It's difficult and stressful. You have to be extremely clueful, be seen to be extremely clueful, and have a skin like a rhinoceros. ''Everyone'' will want a piece of you. | |||
| :#Not sure. The process needs streamlining, but it's not clear how to. | |||
| :#Mostly, I think. We need to work faster. | |||
| :#The most frustrating thing is dealing with cases which should never reach the AC and which are really Foolishness vs Foolishness. The really enjoyable bit is making Misplaced Pages a better place to work by ejecting the really poisonous troublemakers. | |||
| - ] 14:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks! ] |<small> ]</font color>| ] </small>| ]<sub>] </sub> 14:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Wikimedia UK meeting == | |||
| Hi David, there will probably be a meeting for the purpose of discussing Wikimedia UK ], which you might like to attend. You could add your name there if so. ] ] 23:26, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :BUGGER. I am booked out. Meh! - ] 11:01, 6 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == New Wik account == | |||
| (feel free to move to WP:AN/I) | |||
| ] (] • ]) | |||
| * reverts ] just like ] | |||
| * edits ] in a similar way as NoPuzzleStranger | |||
| Also, it's a taunting anagram/pun of my username. :) -- ] ] 18:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Barneygumble == | |||
| I have been contacted by a user who was a party to a mediation I once presided over requesting to know why he was blocked by you. I realise that you are busy but I would appreciate it if you could get back to me about the specifics of why ] was blocks. Perhaps I could be of asistance in helping you resolve this problem. Thanks. -] 06:46, 7 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Since, you are responding to other queries I must insist that you respond to mine. If you do not I will have no alternative but to unblock ]. Please respond as soon as possible. -] 01:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == SMH Sat 8 Oct - Icon article on Misplaced Pages == | |||
| Hi - just thought I would let you know that you are quoted in the on Wikipeidia. --] | ] 21:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Hah, a reprint of the Guardian piece ;-) Thank you! - ] 21:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::The paper version acknowledged that the piece was syndicated. Regards--] | ] 08:18, 8 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Well, blow me down! It worked! Thank you :-) == | |||
| Dear David: Well, I must say, I didn't think I had a hope in hell of reaching admin any time soon - but your nomination, and the community, have jointly proved me wrong against all the odds. I must confess I am quite flabbergasted that the RfA passed; I can only assume this is ]'s doing! :-) I am most deeply honoured; I am much indebted to you, my good sir, for the trust that you placed in me in making the nomination. I promise I shan't let you down, and shall take great delight in being able to do my best to keep the wiki as detritus-free as possible. I look forward to working with you in the future, both in ] and in hounding down ]. All the best, --] | ] ] ] 00:35, 8 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| please ban | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User:!!!!!!!!!!!!David_Gerard_is_a_pedophile_who_has_AIDS | |||
| ---- ]|] 18:09, 8 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| He manifested again. We need an IP check to calm the phear. ;) --] ] 18:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == request for user check == | |||
| Please check if I am a sockpuppet as soon as you can, and if possible do it today because I think I'll take a wikiholiday... | |||
| I'm involved in a RFArb case and in edits at ]. Previously on WP:ANI two other users had agreed to be checked against me, but there's also a user who did one edit, received a warm welcome and disappeared. I'm ], the two who had agreed to be checked before (but may have already left the project, I still wonder if I'm too old for all these) are ] and ] and the one-edit guy is ]. If you have already checked that before please let me know of the results. Thank you very much in advance. ] <small>]</small> 13:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==likewise== | |||
| So it's true. In that case I would like to ask your help on a check that could solve an ongoing edit war. The IP adresses that must be checked are the ones of ] and ]. Thanks in advance. ] 13:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Wik sockpuppets == | |||
| Heya, could you look what IP addresses is using? It'd be nice to know whether we need to get rid of the autoblocks associated with his blocks quickly or if we can block off certain small ranges temporarily, etc. Thanks. --]] 23:35, 10 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Lately he's been tending towards using open proxies, with a particular fondness for holes in the Saudi Arabian proxy network (those being hard to block more than a short time). In general, they can be left unless there's collateral damage. Is anyone keeping a central list? I've been finding he's a good open proxy canary - ] 05:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yeah, I run an open proxy blocker bot, so any open proxies that aren't currently blocked would be great clues to me. If you could put them on my talk or mail them to me that would be great. --]] 20:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Tampa Tribune== | |||
| David, This is Richard Mullins. I'm a reporter with the Tampa Tribune newspaper. The good people at Misplaced Pages suggested I contact you. I'd love to hear what interested you about Misplaced Pages. I'd love to know how often you work on entries and what your particular area of interest is. Also, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the accuracy of the system and what you think of errors added to the entries. My e-mail is rmullins@tampatrib.com and my phone number is 813-259-7919. {{unsigned2|19:44, 11 October 2005|12.5.1.207}} | |||
| ==], Maoririder, etc== | |||
| There's a notice on this blocked editor Sandove89's user page stating: | |||
| : ''This user has been blocked indefinitely from editing Misplaced Pages, per ruling of administrators, Jimbo Wales and/or the Arbitration Committee. See block log'' | |||
| Are you aware of any arbitration committee ruling or fiat from Jimbo ruling that this editor should be blocked indefinitely? I suppose it just boils down to "Some admin decided to block him, so there." | |||
| While we're here, if possible, could you perform sock puppet checks on the suspects in the ] case? I'm pretty sure Lucky 6.9 got at least one wrong, and gave the user the benefit of the doubt). | |||
| The alleged socks are: | |||
| * Sandove89 | |||
| * Riverofdreams | |||
| * Cursa | |||
| * Newsreporter | |||
| Bare IP numbers associated are apparently 130.111.105.203 and 130.111.96.164 | |||
| The editor that was blocked by mistake, and later unblocked, was Inquisitor911. --]] 09:05, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == checkuser on vandal socks == | |||
| Hello, | |||
| Can you run checkuser on some of the and perhaps close some open proxies? Thanks. -- ] 13:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, fuck me sideways ... that vandalbot really is going for it, isn't it. I'm at work right now (just checking in), but for prompter action this is probably time for a mention on Wikitech-l and on #wikimedia-tech , for a dev who has access to the database. If they get interesting results, please get 'em to drop me a line too - ] 14:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::The worst part is, history and logs are flaking out. For a long time (maybe still?) you couldn't get a history for ] or a ]. It's hard to block what you can't see. | |||
| ::By now I presume someone has notified the developers. -- ] 16:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::I put a on wikitech-l and wikien-l - ] 16:29, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for your support on my RfA! == | |||
| ] Thanks for your support of my ]!! I was surprised at the turnout and support I got! If you ever have any issues with any of my actions, please notify me on my ]! Thanks again! I'm surprised you supported! I thought my "deletionist tendencies" would scare you off, LOL! Take care & thanks again! <small>] <sup><font color="#6BA800">]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">]</font></sup></small> 04:28, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Checkuser policy-thingy == | |||
| Just in case you don't know, fvw has started a policy proposal on Checkuser at ]. I didn't see your name on the talkpage, so I figured I'd tip you off. You are the one true Checkuser-dude I mean :P. If you did know, feel free to ignore this ] 10:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah, maybe I should have informed you, sorry about that. I'd just spammed it to so many talk pages already I felt worried I'd be RfCed if I didn't stop :) --]] 12:08, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Admin needed== | |||
| Hello agian. I need the help of an admin at the moment; and you the one I recognized on RC. An editor keeps loading up ] with rambling, incoherent personal attacks, such as Ordinarily, I know that these people are best left ignored. But what Silverback is doing on multiple pages is starting to look like the kind of obsessive stalking behavior that warrants admin attention. If you have time, please take a look. Regards, ] | ] 13:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I've noted this on ] (which is unfortunately locked at present as a vandalbot target) - ] 13:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for taking a look. ] | ] 13:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'm afraid I remain highly cynical on this, David. ] 21:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sock check request == | |||
| I would appreciate if you could see if {{user|NightmareGuy}} and {{user|DreamBoy}} are socks of {{user|Gimmiet}} (a reincarnation of Gabrielsimon, returning after being ]). Gabriel/Gimmiet has a strong animus towards {{user|DreamGuy}}, the user who the previous two were created solely to harass. I doubt that they are the same, because the former two lack Gimmiet's typos, but some users have suspected a connection nevertheless. Thank you. ~~ ''']''' (]/]) 00:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Technical question regarding CheckUser == | |||
| I was told that CheckUser is ineffetive for a user which didn't edit for some months, because the logs would be already deleted. | |||
| *Q1: Is this correct? | |||
| *Q2: But, if this is a blocked user, wouldn't his IP be stored indefinitely for the use by the AutoBlocker? | |||
| ] 20:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :1. Yeah, it works off the recentchanges table. This nominally keeps data for 1-2 weeks, though it might be more depending on disk space and what the devs feel like. | |||
| :2. Apparently not! | |||
| :Check ], which I just started yesterday - ] 13:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| =="You finally did it, Damn you all to hell!"== | |||
| Looking at the deletion debate for ] (unanimous delete) and the lunacy that passes for an undeletion "debate" on VFU, I undeleted the article as a slam-dunk keep whose undeletion was only being opposed out of a misplaced obsession with process. I mean, if we're going to be deleting articles like this, it's a bit pointless pretending we're writing an encyclopedia at all, we might as just call it the "let's just choose a random article every week and kill it" game, and hence my Planet of the Apes quote above. | |||
| It's a good article about a famous guy, it's just that there are enough deletion-happy individuals around that such facts don't count for much. Well my mad excess of inclusionist lust bought the article another run at AfD. | |||
| * ] | |||
| Your scrutiny (and vote) would be much appreciated. --]] 02:33, 17 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :If such an article is deletable, it's time for us all to pack up and go home now - ] 09:53, 17 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| =="If in doubt, don't delete" principle sneakily removed== | |||
| Aaron Brenneman couldn't resist giving away the fact that he'd sneakily removed, from the deletion policy, without discussion, the small paragraph at the end of the opener which says "If in doubt, don't delete." This has been part of Misplaced Pages deletion policy for eighteen months, since it was added by a non-logged-in editor and then edited and compromised to its current wording by Theresa Knott. I have restored the paragraph. Please keep and eye on the ]. There are some unscrupulous people around who find the current policy inconvenient and would do anything to traduce it. --]] 16:28, 17 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your vote please?== | |||
| Sir, with your ] comment in mind, would you please look at the article my wife and I wrote on ], which is up for deletion, quite unfairly in my view. Thanks. ] 18:43, 17 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sockpuppet Check Please == | |||
| As you may or may not be aware, ] has been making vandalizing edits recently. He has vandalized ] several times now, and has also made a ] to ]. Both have since been reverted. | |||
| However, the nature of the edit made to W:WWIN (flaming ]), when combined with the targeting of ] and the initials DG, have made me suspect ] to be a sockpuppet of another user, ] who has been an active editor on Otherkin for some time and writing from a very antagonistic viewpoint, and who also has a history of edit warring with ] there. | |||
| I realize this is a serious accusation, and others have suggested that I should simply ] of ], however it seems too much of a coincidence for a reasonable person to accept that an experienced editor with the same initials would come out of the blue to pick a fight with another editor they had no history of fighting with, much less also begin trolling an obscure topic such as ], when there is no apparent previous history of trolling by ]. Either way, a simple check of the IP addresses involved would settle the matter, and I've been told that you are the only person presently empowered to do so. I've also been told that you are likely not to take very seriously a request to do so, but I thought the matter worth taking my chances. Would you check, please? ] ] 04:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Never mind, I just noticed your policy about only doing such checks if they relate to an ongoing arbcom case. I'm sorry to have wasted your time. ] ] 04:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::I've been informed by ] that there is currently an ] that could be considered directly relevant open against him; he has also said that he is in favor of me approaching you with this, though he has indicated as well that you are unlikely to take me seriously, and has indicated that my entire case is based on two initials being the same which you happen to share as well. I think there is more to my argument than that, particularly given the past history between the users ] and ] which is apparently the basis for the ongoing arbcom case, so I would like to repeat my earlier request for a sockpuppet check; I hope you will agree with me, but I understand if you think the evidence is too slim to act upon, even by checking IPs. ] ] 14:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'll get to it some time soonish ish - ] 14:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thank you, I appreciate that very much. ] ] 14:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == a request from ] == | |||
| I've previously ] to be checked if me and three other editors are sockpuppets of each other. Today that I've returned here, I saw ] and ], being labeled (by a certain user) as sockpuppets of a banned swedish user, but no evidence supporting those "''labelings''". Did your user check support this "''labelings''"? Please let me know as soon as you can. Thank you very much. ] <small>]</small> 10:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==IgnoreAllRules== | |||
| I had to laugh when I saw . --]] 13:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :It's nice to know that your supreme power is unchecked my any sense of responsibilty. - ]]] 22:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Er, so do you know who it is or not? What "responsibility" would you be speaking of? Please answer the first question first - ] 23:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::Don't be fucking coy. If you have something to say, say it. - ]]] 23:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::You share a proxy for a large organisation with him with you two as the only users on it, and he has a fondness for the same pages. Assuming in good faith you're not him, you'd either know who it was or not. The hostility of your responses don't make any sense unless you actually are him. Are you? If not, why the immediate hostile responses? - ] 23:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::#You've never that I've seen, | |||
| ::#There was only one page on my watchlist that was vanadlized, so I'm not sure what "fondness for the same pages" is about, | |||
| ::#So the section at the top of this page ''"plausible link to an ArbCom case"'' should be amended with ''"or something to do with my mates"''? <br/> ]]] 00:12, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Avoiding another Recycling Troll incident counts. So far you're saying nothing to make me assume you're not him, and this is part of your personal animosity against Tony Sidaway. So was User:IgnoreAllRules operated by you, or not? - ] 00:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::* "Recycling troll"? That's a pathetic excuse and you know it. At least have the courage to come out and say, "Yeah, I checked the proxy despite my own guidelines." Honesty is a shared responsibility. | |||
| :::* I have no ''personal'' animosity, I don't actually ''know'' any Wikipedians ''personally''. Where I have animosity is contributors whose heads are stuck so far up their own arses that they reckon that the standards of behavior don't apply to them. And this includes you and your shiny proxy machine. <br/> ]]] 00:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Your refusal to say "yes" or "no" is the most glaring thing here. It appears your main problem with the checking is you were caught - ] 08:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Don't be stupid. Of ''course'' it was me, I had thought that was a bit obvious. Did I even once deny it? 180 seconds of bad behavior, switch main personality back on. I was quite prepared to admit it to anyone who had simply asked, accept some loss of respect, perhaps a block even. But your flagrant abuse of the authority given you far outweighs my burst of childishness. - ]]] 09:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::In which case my response must be: This is a project to write an encyclopedia, not a game of ]. I suggest you go and write something - ] 09:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Can we please move on? I have my own personal animosity etc. but this is not going anywhere good... <small>] <sup><font color="#6BA800">]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">]</font></sup></small> 00:24, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| =='']''== | |||
| Hello, David Gerard! I just wanted to deliver this week's issue of '']'', which features the current ArbCom, directly to your front door. :-) Also, if you wish to read your fellow Arbitrators' full and unabridged responses, you can find them ]. Thanks again for all your help! ] |<small> ]</font color>| ] </small>| ]<sub>] </sub> 21:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == A possible sockpuppeting from a new/old user == | |||
| Hi David. I am sorry to bother. Could you please check this? ] with contribs , ] with , ] with and ] with . The 4 are using the same rant and non-stop personal attacks (religious hatred) since a few days now. Thanks in advance. -- ] 00:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC) <small>] </small> | |||
| == My RfA == | |||
| ] Although you remained neutral during my RfA, I truly appreciate the time that you took to make your voice heard. It appears that I was able to gain a consensus from those who voted and I promise to do a good job using the keys to the janitor's closet. '''>:''' ] <sup>] • ] • ]</sup> 01:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Heh. As long as you remember that mop is loaded, you'll be fine ;-) - ] 18:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == supplement to Checkuser: "revealuser" or rIP == | |||
| I'm sort of floating an idea, see ]. -- ] 19:49, 19 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Check == | |||
| Can you see if ] is the same as ]? If so, we've got a 3RR violation. If not, damn...I was hoping they would be. Cheers, ] <sup>'']'' | '']''</sup> 11:57, 20 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == MATIA == | |||
| Hello again. Check ]. Thanks. ] <small>]</small> 19:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Help! I am being hassled by what appears to be a sockpuppet vandal == | |||
| Please take a look at the edit history for ]. Please help if you can. ] <sup><b> ] </sup></b> 01:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *You want to leave these nice people alone? and stop spamming random talk pages with the same nonsense, over, and over, and over again, ad nasueum?--] 01:59, 21 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Accepted == | |||
| Salve, David Gerard!<br>Thanks for your note about my RFA vote. It was perhaps an intemperate remark on my part. I've been in a bit of a snarky mood at times lately, getting frustrated with some of our fellow Wikipedians and I surely could have phrased my comment better. Do let me know if I can help with your articles. My interests can be seen ]. Ave! ] 13:49, 21 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Disappointment == | |||
| I am disappointed by the apparent fact that you refuse to even consider criticism of what appear to be your closets friends on the Wiki, in particular Snowspinner and Tony Sidaway. If people have issues, they should talk about them, lest they fester and grow worse. ]]] 10:01, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :You ignore that I love everyone. Even you. I still think the RFC was ridiculous, though, and you'll note I'm far from the only one - ] 10:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Then how else would you propose such disputes be resolved? Past talk page interactions and mediation have hardly been fruitful. Surely you're not proposing that this be dropped on RFAr? ]]] 10:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::Do you honestly think that RFC is going to resolve anything? It's already devolved into the inclusionist/deletionist war, and having a nutter like Agriculture as the second certifier pretty much kills its credibility. | |||
| :::If you REALLY want to ''resolve'' it, do something like pop onto IRC. Tony's there a lot. He's really a pretty reasonable fellow. Talking in real time helps a lot - ] 11:05, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::<small> insert hue and cry at such language below</small> | |||
| *Frankly, yes, I do think that the RFC may resolve something (but hardly everything). For one, it allows people to vent their feelings and find out if others agree. For another Tony did post an apology. I do not agree with Agriculture's statement, nor have I asked him to certify, but please note that there are five other cerfifiers who aren't nutters (speaking of which, do you really want me to point out the nutters who endorsed your outside view? :) ) | |||
| *I'm not on IRC a lot, mostly for lack of time (I should, in fact, be studying right now). But while I'd like the opportunity to talk some things through with Tony, this really isn't a dispute between him and me. There has been a lot of grumbling about him, including people who call him a troll or demand his immediate deopping (both of which, for the record, I emphatically disagree with). But yes, I brought it into the open. If people must shoot the messenger, let them. ]]] 11:23, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| : Where valid, the criticism was actually pretty mild. Like many other editors--like you, in fact--I can be uncivil. But I tend to be involved in controversial areas where consensus is not obvious. I've got a very good record of getting it right, but this kind of activity does mean that I tend to lead the consensus rather than lag behind. Undeletions are a case in point--I've hardly ever undeleted an article for it subsequently to fail AfD. There are some editors who don't think I even have a right to do that, but they're wrong. The undeletion policy gives me that discretion. | |||
| : The undeletion of the Wolters article was a much bolder move, because it was a direct challenge to the broken VFU procedure. But again, it worked. There was a good consensus to keep, and a possible copyright infringement was addressed. Misplaced Pages is first and foremost about content; the very people who claimed that VFU would have restored the article in any case, had also voted prior to that to keep the article deleted on mostly procedural grounds. VFU got a shock, and I hope a salutary one. Most editors care very much about content, and the process-first ideas commonly expressed in VFU are clearly not shared elsewhere and have no claim to consensus; nor are they compatible with Misplaced Pages's undeletion policy. A job well done. I'd do it again if I had to. --]] 11:46, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *I do not dispute the fact that I can be uncivil. However, I do apologize for such things far more often than you do, and that makes a difference. Nobody really objects to your principle that good articles should not be deleted - however, people object to the way you go about it - first because of your uncivility, and second because if people are already discussing things, they do not like having their discussions ignored. In the , VFU did end up with a substantial majority to undelete. So your shock was not necessary. And note that I did not vote to KD it on procedural grounds. The end does not always justify the means, especially if the end can be achieved through friendlier means. ]]] 13:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :: I've no doubt that the publicity of the undeletion helped to sway the undelete vote; the same utterly mindless arguments to keep deleted, quite outside undeletion policy, were trundled out on the VFU thread right to the bitter end. You assumed that I was referring to you when I referred to Splash and Xoloz--I've no idea what you voted or why, indeed the link you give seems to suggest that you didn't vote on VFU at all. You claim that you apologise for your incivility more than I do; good for you, but wouldn't it be better if you were to avoid being uncivil? You say that "people" object to the way I go about dealing with the problems of VFU; obviously not very many do, we had an overwhelming keep on the AfD. You claim that the reason for objections is incivility; it obviously isn't. The first objection of those who object is that they believe that I ignore consensus. The second objection is that I disregard process. The former is proven false by the aforementioned thumping great keep, the latter is true. Broken processes that don't work must be ditched. --]] 06:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Tony was very much the opposite of "reasonable" on IRC. As I said before I have no respect, let alone good faith, for people such as himself. <small>] <sup><font color="#6BA800">]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">]</font></sup></small> 21:19, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| : Ryan, the fact of IRC was that you came to #wikipedia on what was for me very late a Friday night when I intended to relax and unwind in front of the television with my family around me, and a bit of friendly, undemanding chat with friends on IRC. Your presence was unexpected and unwelcome so I placed you on ignore and made no significant effort to interact with you. I even left the channel. Now anyone reading the above would think that I had harangued you with intemperate language, or worse. For the record, I didn't do anything in the least unreasonable. --]] 06:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Can You Help with a Puzzle? == | |||
| David, I'm told that you can find the IPs used to create user pages. If this is so, then you can help resolve a dispute. Can you find the IP (or IPs) used to create the user pages ], ], ], and ]? There is an ongoing dispute over whether these are aliases of injoined user ]. See ] for details. If he created them, he almost certainly didn't use his main IP, but it might be probative to know if they were created with one of the AOL or Fidalgo IPs he frequently uses. (See here: ]) Thanks if you can help. --] 17:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == WikiSort Project == | |||
| Hey, I have started the ] Project. Come on over and check it out.] 21:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks == | |||
| Just a quick thanks for calming me down. --] ] 21:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Block, why? == | |||
| I'm in a BAD MOOD! Why did you block '''MY''' IP address? The explanation you gave said something about a SuperTroll and some Vandalbots. What does that have to do with me? I don't vandalise or make bots, check my ]. I have been at Misplaced Pages for ''months'' now and have '''never''' vandalised. ] 22:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I know you haven't. More answer on your talk page - ] 22:17, 22 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, can I ask you something. Is it possible that I am being "stalked"? I use a firewall, which compiles a log that lists every "entry attempt" together with the "Source IP" and the time. I was glancing at it just now and I noticed two (there may have been more, I didn't check) attempted entries by IPs very similar to mine: | |||
| " Time | Source IP | Destination IP | Protocol "<br> | |||
| " 2005/10/23 18:28:50+3:00 GMT | 62.24.96.136:3910 | 62.24.144.181:135 | TCP (flags:S) "<br> | |||
| " 2005/10/23 17:58:14+3:00 GMT | 62.24.144.51:3199 | 62.24.144.85:135 | TCP (flags:S) " | |||
| I find this very eerie, although I'm probably just being paranoid, but can this "SuperTroll" character be waiting for me to log into Misplaced Pages and then go to one of the pages I regularly go to, recognise my IP (as it's similar to his and the facts that our IPs are similar has been mentioned a lot) and attempt to gain access to my PC. Because I don't really know how computers work, this may all seem ludicrous to someone who does know, but tell me what you think. Should I be concerned? And if you know, what does TCP (flags:S) mean? Thank you, ] 18:33, 23 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't know MS-Windows firewall software very well, but I do know a lot of it greatly overreports and causes its users unnecessary worry. If anyone else reading this has any idea, please answer! - ] 16:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Barnstar! == | |||
| ]] 15:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC)]] | |||
| <u><font color=red>'''I can't believe I'm the first one to think you deserve a barnstar! '''</font></u> | |||
| <big>'''You must be:'''</big> | |||
| :1. The most modest Wikipedian ever, carefully deleting any trace of reward from your user page | |||
| :OR | |||
| :2. The absolutely most underappreciated Wikipedian ever, overlooked every time for a barnstar | |||
| :OR | |||
| :3. Both. | |||
| <big>'''I'm going to find out which. Here is either:'''</big> | |||
| :1. More work to do to maintain your incredible modesty | |||
| :OR | |||
| :2. The first of what should be about a thousand awards for your tireless efforts here on Misplaced Pages. | |||
| There really isn't a barnstar big enough, shiny enough, bold enough, or rare enough to express the respect I have for your efforts. Thank you! ]] 15:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Crikey, where do I put this thing ... it's not like there isn't enough graphical rubbish on my user page ... if my mother had a userpage I could give it to her to put on the shelf ... - ] 16:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Modesty it is, then. I thought so. ;-) I'm sure you could miniaturize it. Please feel free to cut the text or move it to a linked subpage. You have my explicit permission to slice, dice, staple, fold, spindle or mutilate at will. ]] 16:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| :::I think you could be the first person in the ] to describe me as "modest" - ] 16:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Modest of image does not equal modesty in all things. I think you keep a modest profile here. Use the full size, the ] version, or blow it up 600 pixels (which I was quite tempted to do now just for fun). Whatever pleases you most. ]] 16:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Úbeda/Ubeda== | |||
| With regard to ], would it be possible to run Checkuser on the multiple recent sockpuppets in the page's history? They are perhaps sockpuppets of ], but are they socks of anyone else? -- ] 20:23, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sock check for Wikinews == | |||
| What I'm reading about sock check, and the problems Wikinews is currently experiencing, suggest Wikinews should request one or two of the team members be given the ability to check for sock puppets. Logically the first person who should have this responsibility should be ], our most active Bureaucrat. | |||
| In the meantime, we've been fighting a low-level combat with a prolific open proxy/sock user POVior whose burner is often Cowicide, since mid-August. I have a half-dozen accounts and IPs I would like to check on suspicion of being a part of the problem; and I'd like to cross-reference more IPs which have resurfaced. Tim Starling referred me to you, so I'm asking you for advice: how should I proceed? | |||
| - / <sup></sup> 05:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I'll check with Tim and the Board later (hopefully this evening, if I can catch him). I have no power to assign the rights, and the Board are very touchy about the privacy issues ... but yeah, I'll see what I can do - ] 08:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :: Any further word? Things continue to be extremely uncomfortable at WN. - / <sup></sup> 00:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Email== | |||
| I've just emailed you. --] 13:56, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == thanks == | |||
| Also see this: ] ] <sup><b> ] </sup></b> 15:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Annoying sock vandals == | |||
| David -- There has been an itchy rash of sock vandals on ] (I know, shocking). It's only one article that I know of, but given the subject matter of the article and how persistent this person is, it made me wonder if he might not also be responsible for vandalism to other pages. Thought I'd bring it to your attention, FWIW. The users involved have been IPs ], ] (trace to Canada), ], ], ], ], ], ], ] (seems to be the main account), ], ], and ]. · ]<sup>]</sup> 20:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Disputed non-free use rationale for File:King Trigger River 7'' Chrysalis 1982.jpg== | |||
| I have created and am now using ]. Which I think puts across a much better and very important message. And doesn't contain a category ;-) - ] 16:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| :Arigato gozaimashita, David Gerard-sama. --] ] 13:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you for uploading ''']'''. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Misplaced Pages may not meet the criteria required by ]. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from ] is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Misplaced Pages policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an ]; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale. | |||
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| = Sockpuppets = | |||
| David-Hello it was suggested by someone at the help desk that you could help me in terms of finding out if some of the users reverting ] are sock puppets. The reverts the person is making are identical. It's really getting out of hand with not only that article but others that this person is editing. | |||
| Here are the user names: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] | |||
| Thanks for your assistance! ] 02:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Advice== | |||
| Mr Gerard, | |||
| I would like for you to see my comment regarding Able and Baker, so here it is: | |||
| '''Weak keep''' The page appears to have sources indicating notability. On issues of verifiability, and objective notability, personal opinion cannot be expert without sources. Anyone holding themselves out as expert should produce sources upon polite request. Consensus matters much than expertise because expertise is an imprecise term open to too much varying interpretation (especially in areas of pop-culture where objective certification) and abuse (by people claiming expertise without warrant.) Given what I said, I hold the statement "Censensus beats expertise is ridiculous" to be itself worthy of some ridicule. Xoloz 06:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| As you can see, I agree with your desired result, while being quite unhappy with your logic. I'd like to ask you, nicely, to think before posting comments such as "X is ridiculous." Generally views held by geniune editors here are debatable, often wrong, but rarely ridiculous. Simply to say, "X is ridiculous" without significant qualification, is only flippancy, and I submit, likely to cause many who might agree with you to dislike your position. | |||
| I have seen you do this before (at Snowspinner's and Tony Sidaway's RfAs). I realize you may have intense feelings, but you are only ''barely'' discussing if all you can type is a five-word declarative sentence. Sentences like (and I'll paraphrase because it hardly needs looking up) "OH MY GOD YUO ARE TRYING TO DISTROY WIKIEPEDIA!1!1!1!!" (roughly your comment from Tony Sidaway's RfA) are similar examples of the same species of unhelpful, general, short, verbal ejaculations without much use as ''discussion''. | |||
| You are on ArbCom. This makes you a symbol of Misplaced Pages. I am a serious person in the working world, the type whose esteem WP seems to seek. (You may be, too, I don't know). If I walk in on a business discussion, and overhear someone consistently beginning discussions with "This is ridiculous!" or with comments like, "OH MY GOD!`1!1!!1..." (The visual impact of sarcastic leet doesn't have an easy verbal equivalent, of course), I would distrust this person. If I found out he was prominent in the business, I'd be likely to avoid working with that business. Please take these comments as friendly advice. Misplaced Pages needs your best words, not your random ones. Best wishes, ] 06:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Twoversions== | |||
| hooray. - ] | |||
| == IRC Memo == | |||
| Hi David, | |||
| Could you do me a favor and check your memo on IRC? I left you something, and I'd appreciate it if you could take a quick look. I'm in class right, now, so I should be paying attention. Talk to you later, hopefully. | |||
| ] | ] 15:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I won't be able to get to it for a few hours (and may not get to doing what we were talking about last night until Sunday or Monday! Work, a sick wife, two new kittens ... life is VERE BUSY!) But I'll check indeed! And I'll be sorting out something wrt the checkuser issue tonight I hope ... chat to Tim last night was productive - ] 15:45, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Good going, then. I talked to Tim as well and he gave me the green light; I just need you and the ArbCom to give me support. Looks like we're getting somewhere. Anyway, good luck with your wife and the kittens. ] | ] 15:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Hi David, | |||
| I just talked to Raul. He gave me his preliminary vote of confidence. All that needs to be done is you requesting perms. ] | ] 01:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Anonymous editor's RFA == | |||
| Hi David. While you're at it you might want to have a look at ], whose 6th edit was to vote oppose and is not trolling on the RFA talk page. ] 16:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :What a wacky kid. - ] 16:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Twoversions template== | |||
| Hello David. I would like to have a look at the relevant discussion on ] deletion. Would you mind telling where it was taken place? Thanks in advance. — ]] 16:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :See ] for a link to the discussion - ] 16:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::What I found there was a link to a previous tfd nomination, which the result was to keep. Was there another tfd that led to its deletion? Thanks. — ]] 16:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::If you read the section below you'll see why I killed it with an axe and took it out of our misery. NPOV is not up for a vote - ] 16:53, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks. In other words there was no discussion. — ]] 16:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::That's absolutely correct - ] 17:00, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you. — ]] 17:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Twoversions and Lightbringer == | |||
| Hi David, my email server is down or something, bt I was just goint to reply to say thanks for taking the time to check out that sockpuppet and the whole RFA, (and I really hate how RFA has become such a hellhole). | |||
| Something else I wanted to talk about. I don't personally mind to see the twoversions thing gone, and it may indeed be a good application of IAR (I'm inclined to believe so) but I just wish when people suddenly have the IAR fits that they would tell someone about it first. Just because something is, er, out-of-policy, doesn't mean it has to be a surprise. I'm currently involved in a mediation related to the "Instantnood 2" arbcom case ]. As an arbitrator, I bet you know the template has been a part of the dispute, and that may even been your motivation. I think it may have at least somewhat contributed to the strained ceasefire we have now, or if not, it was part of the status quo that existed as a result. It was a bit of a nasty shock just in that I feared it may upset the mediation, and so I would have like to have somehow had notice of it beforehand. | |||
| Another thing (sorry) is that I'm at least nominally interested in the Lightbringer RFAr, as I was the admin that protected ], and especially as it's an FA now in sore shape, I'd like it unprotected, and safe, son as possible. Following Fred's recent offer to mkae my own additions to the /Workshop page, I went through and proposed some principles and findings of fact . I wonder if you could take a look at it and tell me if I did everything right, and if it makes sense and is reasonable? I think this case should be straightforward. Thanks. ]·] 04:53, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Twoversions: Being marked "away" from the AC, I wasn't even aware of it. Sorry :-( I still think it's better dead, dead, dead. So far no-one's resurrected it (it's protected blank). | |||
| :I'll look at the Freemasonry thing when I get a chance, possibly tonight or over the weekend. - ] 10:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==AOL Vandalbot== | |||
| I don't know whether it was AOL or not. I'm positive that it was a vandal bot though. The same exact text was created in dozens of different articles with nonsense titles, several per second, on different IPs, all this range. — <small>]] • 2005-10-28 09:32</small> | |||
| :Sounds like a vandalbot, and that's an AOL range. Stopped? - ] 10:21, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Dear David Gerard, I take a liberty to respond personally to your comment | |||
| :''"48 hours break to consider discussion with others and to read the manual of style - ] 12:43, 28 October 2005 (UTC)"'' | |||
| Please note that discussion with the editor was attempted multiple times! See ], , , ], etc. He is now carefully one step under 3RR at several articles. And his moving articles is a total disaster and a huge waste of time, because takes time, effort, several editors to undo. Check again ]! Thank you for your consern --] 14:55, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Hope springs eternal in my heart that he will learn to work with others, despite the "I was robbed" email I just got from him - ] 15:07, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == riPping vandals == | |||
| If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator seven days after the file was tagged in accordance with ]. If you have any questions, please ask them at the ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Di-disputed fair use rationale-notice --> — Ирука<sup>]</sup> 19:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| I have posted ], calling on you to publicly reveal the IPs of the vandalbot socks that have been reverting ], which I believe to be in keeping with item 5 of the ]. More generally, I believe that '''r'''evealing '''IP''' (''rIPping'') vandals should be an option in the cases of disruptive vandalism that prevents Misplaced Pages from functioning normally (causing articles to be permanently protected, for instance). I'll also post a query at the talk pages of Jimbo Wales and Angela to see if they have any comments. -- ] 20:37, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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== Funny bumping into you here == | ||
| Hey David, I knew you were active on RationalWiki but I didn't know you were on wikipedia too. Great seeing you around. ] (]) 14:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, I'm advocating ] in ] and have some questions to ask you aabout sockpuppetry checking and a deleted page: | |||
| #Is there a way to know if ], ], ] have the same IP address as the {{user|Spatfield}}? It would be important to us to know if one of this users used a sockpuppet to call the AfD of the now deleted ]. | |||
| #Also, is there a way to undelete only the diffs of ] or to undelete it and move it into a user page? Can someone restore this article's history? | |||
| Thank you very much! (Reply me on my talk, please) --] 20:44, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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Hi David. I don't know who to ask about this, but thought you might know. There are a few sources that have come to RSN that aren't really in need of full deprecation, but that are wasting editors time by being reused and readded. Take for instance WP: Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 453#RfC: Universe Guide, a source that was both UGC and circular but was needing continuous clean up by the editors of the astronomic objects project. Ultimately deprecation was used so a warning appeared if you try to add it, stopping it from being a timesink. But really it didn't need the other aspects of deprecation. I was looking to find out how we got to the current deprecation process, and how editors went about getting it setup, as part of thinking about a slightly different solution for these sources. A different setup with a warning about UGC, self published, circular sources etc, rather than the deprecation one. I'm waffling on. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 01:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- so the history is the looooong RFC on the Daily Mail, which then opened a process for ruling other sources such obvious wastes of time that they could be similarly classed as almost never to be used - I would go through the deprecation RFCs in rough historical order to get an idea of how it developed as an idea.
- UGC is its own class of thing, and you can see the reasoning behind deprecation: that some editors are so persistent in wanting to use known bad sources that you eventually have to make a rule that says "no." Even as all new rules are bad - David Gerard (talk) 14:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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Happy First Edit Day, David Gerard, from the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee! Have a great day! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
Disputed non-free use rationale for File:King Trigger River 7'' Chrysalis 1982.jpg
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Funny bumping into you here
Hey David, I knew you were active on RationalWiki but I didn't know you were on wikipedia too. Great seeing you around. Simonm223 (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)