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== "Al-Aqsa is in danger" ==
==''Project Talk Page Guidelines''==
*'''This talk page is <u>only</u> for the discussion of how to organize the WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.''' '''] to LIST Current Articles Issues. ] to DISCUSS Current Articles Issues.'''
*About Moderators: Our discussions are moderated and ] and other problematic postings will be deleted. Moderators will move any Current Article Issues topics posted here to that section. They also will archive resolved or dated discussions.
*Moderators will be chosen by: 1) Nomination by a project member and 2) Consensus of members, which means that there are no reasonable objections. ''NOMINATIONS OR VOLUNTEERS WELCOME!'' The following members have been appointed as moderators:
** HG
** Carolmooredc


Hello, I'm sure you're all very busy at the moment, but am looking for third-party input on something. An editor made a very large addition to the small page ] which appears to me to seriously skew the article's tone and compromise its NPOV. It seemed relatively good and neutral (if short) before, but certainly the additions appear very much to push it in one direction. I've laid out what I think are the problems on ] and on the ], but have gotten no response. To avoid an edit war, would appreciate if someone (or multiple someones) would take a look. Thanks! ] (]) 10:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
===''To Do List''===
*Remove unused pages like ] and ]
*Decide what to do about ] and ] which haven't been used, at least until they are made more workable and/or used
*What to do about articles of disputed relevance like ], ], ]


== Nakba denial ==
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I have created a page on the subject of ] - a topic of some weight in literature on the historiography of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I have barely scratched the surface of the available source, having prioritized the most readily accessible ones. There may very well be some gaping gaps, not least in that I don't have access to any of the best Ilan Pappé material, so haven't been able to directly quote him. More eyes welcome. ] (]) 19:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
== WikiProject Middle East Textbooks is Looking for Members ==
{{WP:WikiProject Middle East Textbooks/Invitation}}
Hi. All of you are invited to join ]. I look forward to seeing many of you sign-up. ← <span style="font-family: serif;"><b>]</b></span><sup>&nbsp;(])</sup> 19:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


== Requested move at ] ==
== ] ==
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — ]] 15:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


== Requested move at ] ==
This project recently started. They were inspired by ]. It started after discussion at ] --] (]) 18:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
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An editor has requested that ] be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You &#32;are invited to participate in ].<!-- from Template:RM notice--> ] (]) 20:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


== ] ==
== Additional moderation sought ==


I'm spinning this off the main article because it's taking up quite a lot of space and almost certainly will continue to expand with an Israeli ground incursion into Gaza. You're welcome to help me get this ready for the mainspace. --] ] 01:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
As folks can tell, I have not been able to devote time lately to this project, which I continue to think could help identify and smooth out some of the I-P topic editing conflicts. So, another moderator or two would be helpful. At a minimum, if a (relatively) neutral party could help archive this page, that would be great. Any additional efforts to facilitate discussion of pro-active IPCOLL work, of course, would also be beneficial. Thanks muchly. ] | ] 13:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


== ] ==
:Does anyone object to ] being moved to a subpage? I could do that if no one objects. I will wait a week or so before doing anything. Is this OK to everyone? --] (]) 12:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


An editor has started an RfC asking "Should ] by Hamas be included in the ]?" at ]. Interested editors are invited to participate. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
::First, per my recommended changes I actually cut out a lot of other stuff but leave member statements on front because most other projects do and makes it clear it really exists. Now that I've read the whole article in order to re-write, I figured out what the moderator does. ;-) I am willing to be an administrative moderator for archiving or moving misplaced messages (if new regime created) but not for removing negative comments since I can be pretty combative myself - one reason I wanted to streamline these pages to make it easier for me to review and clean up my act :-) So I shouldn't be judging others. ] (]) 20:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


== Limiting or merging single-event stubs (in war navbox) ==
::: It seems that there is no objection to this nomination; I will therefore add Carolmooredc to the list on top of this page. &mdash; ] 07:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


I've been seeing a lot of minor war events getting their own articles, which are 90% navboxes and background and 'see also' links to war lists. They often draw on twitter posts or less reputable sources. They are also rapidly added to the navboxes (which are on a lot of high-traffic pages), making those much less useful and perhaps confusing readers who click through a few serious articles and then end up on a dodgy, thinly sourced stub.
== The politicization of Misplaced Pages ==


I made routine merges of the Daraghmeh + KY articles, which were reverted; the former now somewhat inefficiently sitting through AfD, the latter a draft. What's a smooth way to set a style guideline for what gets a navbox-level article / what should be developed in draft-space?
A few months ago I wrote an essay about some ideas I had for resolving political conflicts in the Misplaced Pages. I wrote it mostly for myself, but in the last couple of weeks, a few people have found their ways to it and commented on it favorably.


'''Examples''':
So anyone that's interested is welcome to read ]. --] (]) 06:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
These 3 all started out quoting unreliable pro-military sources; nothing notable + no details
*] - pending deletion, edit war over merge
*] - hardly mentioned
*] (]) - very minor, edit war over merge


These simply don't need their own article:
==Page and Process Unclear, Talk becoming Overly Contentious - Needs Reboot==
*] - not notable; maybe eventually part of notable pattern. not obviously part of this conflict
*] says:
*] - odd title, minor
** ''Collaborative editing of a low-tension and/or higher tension article, (help choose an Article in Talk), initiated by Durova''
*] - minor
** ''Facilitated discussions/interventions at disputed articles: Palestinian people (Padillah and HG), (others-to-be-named)''
:It is not clear how this is supposed to work, especially on alerting people to issues/problems in other articles. While some announcements of need for help get a response, I made one where one of the editors I was disagreeing with in article told me here, "no, you can't bring that here." Ttat doesn't seem appropriate given the above. (I think someone came by anyway and helped resolve problem.) I have a note about an RFC:Bio going to post here which hopefully I won't be chided for again.
*The merging of collaboration and monitoring on one page can make things very confusing.
*This has become a place where some of the more contentious editors feel free to enage in ] and personal attacks - too reminiscent of the other pages we are having problems with.
*I'm thinking of just rewriting the main page to be a COLLABORATION PAGE with BATTLEGROUND STATISTICS as the only monitoring page and moving What's Happening and a couple other relevant things there. Might provide an outline here in the near future. General comments welcome! Carol Moore 17:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)]


These might be kept if improved :
:Hi Carol, yes I agree. I think part of this problem was highlighted in ] posting asking for additional moderators to volunteer. Would you consider volunteering to become a wikiproject moderator? ] (]) 17:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
*] - only one of these major enough to potentially have an article
*] - terrible naming + list convention started w/ the Russian invasion of Ukraine
<span style="color:#666">&ndash;&nbsp;]]</span> 03:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)


:Glad someone is trying to tackle this thorny issue. A few minutes after (some event) happens, odds are good that someone will try to make an article out of it. Criteria would be good, but do you mean only for AI/IP articles? ] (]) 17:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
::You know I couldn't figure out what he was talking about when I first read the posting and still unclear without my studying the Collaboration article page (or talk above), which as I noted about is pretty confusing. Thinking about it, I think a first easy step we could do now would be to have two talk pages for collaboration, one for project structure and process (where for example ] actions v. wiki editors would go) and one for current issues on articles (where for example JIDF itself article would go). Then people more interested in one or the other would not be getting others confused. What do you think? (and if current posts above overlap, put a copy in each talk for past discussions). Carol Moore 17:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)]
:: Wars are one of the few events that generate such a proliferation of stubs and nav-links, and attract editors who fight over them rather than merging into a few informative articles. This war and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are the recent examples I've seen. We ideally could point people on navbox talk pages to standard guidelines for how to keep them useful. <span style="color:#666">&ndash;&nbsp;]]</span> 06:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi. just a brief note to let you know i'm still here. I haven't looked at these pages in a while, but I can try to maybe look a little bit more now and then in the future. not sure whether my edit activity will change much though. thanks. --] (]) 15:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
::::By the way, Carol, I like both your ideas. however, you might want to start them perhaps as separate sections on a single talk page, just to see what kind of responses you get. how to structure those pages might depend on how much interest they get. does that make sense? thanks. --] (]) 15:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


== Discussion at ] ==
:::::Good to know you're still paying attention. I was going to do a short outline here and then do whole page on my Talk Sandbox page for people to look at at their leisure. Just waiting til latest controversies die down (including one I'm about to start) so can look at with most neutral eye. Carol Moore 15:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


You are invited to join the discussion at ]. Your contributions would be appreciated. ] (]) 17:27, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::Noticed above in the description of this talk page that "community lounge" was supposed to be for a lot of the discussions currently here. I think renaming it something more goal oriented like "current article debates" and then moving any debates that accidentally get her might might be part of the solution. So no need to create brand new pages. Also, as I'll note elsewhere, the criteria of when to bring an article issue here might be specified. We could brain storm a bunch of reasons and then decide which seem appropriate and which not. Carol Moore 00:43, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


== ] ==
===The idea of this page===
One idea of this page, in my opinion, is that anyone who makes their way here to proactively start or join a discussion is doing their part to help solve the problem. so various controversies may emerge here, but that does not negate the value of this page. thanks. --] (]) 16:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
===Alerts board===
Would it be appropriate to provide a space here where people can simply list active controversies informally, without any "scientific" or official tabulation? --] (]) 16:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


Experienced editors are invited to look at the recent work at this article. ] (]) 10:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
:Simplification is definitely needed! Carol Moore 00:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


== ]: Methodology & Translations ==
==Draft Restructuring of Wiki I-P Collaboration pages==
Per recent discussions above...and the statement on the main page ''For the time being, all sections on this page may be considered provisional -- this WikiProject is open to your creative input and editing.'' I came up with greatly simplified structure that allows busy users to read and understand what the project is about and how it works. As other subprojects arise and become active, they can be added. Feel free to comment on the talk pages of those draft articles pages listed below. ''Temporary links deleted after changes made.''
*Sandbox 1: Main page explains project; talk page only for discussion of project, not specific articles; Sandbox includes notes on changes. New page is about 1/2 current size.
*Sandbox 2: "Current Article Issues" (formerly Community Lounge) which includes "Current Article Issues List" as main page and "Current Article Issue Discussion" on talk page
*Sandbox 3: Lists/tables moved over from the main page which have to be integrated into current Battleground Statistics page. Something which hopefully others will do.
] (]) 15:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Silence means consent...don't wake up next thurs or fri morning to find everything changed to new version which isn't quite like you would have liked because you didn't comment ;-) Also I am going to ad a short draft invite to the project main page for people to use when I find the existing page where the long ones are hiding, to check them out. ] (]) 00:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::Hi Carolmooredc, I think your proposal would be an improvement. I agree that it's probably best to go ahead, unless anyone objects. ] (]) 00:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


Having concluded my sabbatical, and having found this project, I'm ready to dive in again where angels fear to dive. Currently I'm taking a more narrow focus, working backwards as events become clearer in retrospect (the historiography will come later); too, reliable sources have begun to assemble their own timelines. If anyone wants to undertake massive improvements large or small, feel free!
:::Agree with PhliKnight. (And I'm sorry that I didn't bother to give any feedback earlier or thank you for your efforts.) It sounds a very logical breakdown with room for add-ons as necessary. Good work. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


For reference, these have been my sources to date: Al Jazeera, BBC, The Forward, The Guardian, Times of Israel, Haaretz, Middle East Eye, NYT, and to an extent the think tank ].
==Changes to pages per talk above==
Ok, I have made the changes per above. Below is a summary. Please discuss what needs reinsertion after you have looked at all three relevant pages. Lots more can be done, including integrating some excellent ideas from this talk page's archives into our process. Doing the archiving I did see how the discussion deteriorated from great ideas on how to improve process to usual wrangling over specific articles. Hopefully this page can be used to bring more light and less heat to: ]!
*Changed "Community Lounge" page to: ] of articles currently experiencing issues or disputes and a ] page for specific issues.
*Integrated most important material on main collaboration page into six sections or moved per below; trimmed excess verbiage
*Moved 3 sections into ]
*Removed Links to ] and ] which haven't been used, at least until they are made more workable and/or used
*Removed links to ] because put short invite draft in article
*Removed ] project that never got going
*To Do List moved to the talk page of this article
*This Collaboration Talk page is only for the project.
*Added Wikiproject banner, currently at ] ]
:(]) 08:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


Secondly, the first translation was into Chinese. There are now six. Although I'm a monoglot, I can tell that the French was, at least initially, a straight up translation whereas the German is definitely its own creature. The most recent, surprisingly, is Arabic. Just as surprisingly, Hebrew has yet to appear! Is anyone more knowledgeable keeping an eye on these narratives?
==Check Article Issues List and Watch the Page for Discussions==
*Check ] since a lot of the articles were placed in an approximate month; feel free to put articles in the month or months where there were issues.
*'''Remember to put on your watch list ]''' because it also includes as its talk page ] for specific issues which are no longer on this page. Discussion of issues with organization of project, including on various pages, belong here. ] (]) 18:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


] (]) 13:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
==Can the project be re-booted to address deteriorating condition?==
*First, I hope that separating ] from process discussions here will let process people come up with ideas they can then bring over to articles discussions.
*FYI. I just put an announcement about an important reconsideration of a deletion of an article on the ] - start watching it. :-)
*I know we were all excited that some of the destructive editing habits would change after the early 2008 administrative moves and there were lots of good ideas on process which are on this page's archives. Things did seem to improve a bit, but then over time this page turned into mostly article discussions that were too much like the discussions on article talk pages.
*Now things seem to be getting as bad or worse than they were before and part of me just wants to announce on my user page that I'm ]ing all articles on Is-Pal topic -- or at least those that involve certain groups of editors - and give a list of policy reasons why. But I'd probably get in big trouble for that!!
*Also, relevant to all this, note that the new draft ] is really including a check user. Of editors I searched, I only found one so far that produced IP results, an infamous longtimer -- who seems to post from all over the world. What's up with that? So there will be a lot of issues once the new wikiscanner really gets going regarding some of the games some of us suspect people are playing. Thoughts on any of the above??? ] (]) 21:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


: Welcome to the project, ]. Thank you in particular for your focus on RS. I agree that all of those you list meet ]. ◅&nbsp;]&nbsp;] 08:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
::The looks very interesting. Regarding your other comments, I think we need to recruit more neutral editors and admins to help moderate discussion. ] (]) 21:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


:: It helps that whatever the editorial stance, they're dealing with brute fact. ] (]) 13:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Carol, I don't know what the last part of your statement was supposed to mean; I used the checkuser thing on myself and it had me in County Cork and Sao Paolo, two places I've never even been. I have a guess as to which "infamous longtimer" you're talking about, and every edit from anywhere but where we already know he edits from was an obvious false positive (and who cares anyway.) Conspiracism unsupported by evidence is unlikely to help fix the deterioration you allude to. &lt;]/]]&gt; 01:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


== Declarations of War ==
::::It only seems to catch long-time users of whom there are many on the many pages I edit, so why go out of your way to assume it's any one individual? I'm not sure how to identify false positives - the ones in green that a few of them had? (Even though a couple had same ones in yellow also.) Anyway, its still in draft/testing mode. Obviously, people who don't know how to read it shouldn't be drawing conclusions - but why can't they ask what certain information means without people assuming conspiracy theories? Those who do know might make some constructive use of the info. Wikipolicies on using it still uncertain so we probably could have a more constructive input if we could discuss it here without making negative comments. Thanks. ] (]) 02:16, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


I've been casting about for the formal Israeli declaration of war by invocation of Article 40A –the actual Knesset/Security Cabinet paperwork– as well as a transcription of ]'s announcement in full. All I'm finding are bits and pieces. ] (]) 13:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Re: Phil's comments on more neutral editors to moderate discussions. Do you mean like a list of neutral editors willing to mediate article talk page discussions informally like the ] that we would present on the front page?? More thoughts welcome. Also, I had some ideas for making clear problems and where to go to get to help I might put together as a proposal for input. I know I sure still need lots of guidance, with so many options, some confusing, and some of which work better than others. ] (]) 16:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


== ] ==
:::::I personally look forward to the re-boot. The collaboration project should be used to set overall guide lines and should stop a lot of hot air getting repeated endlessly on individual articles...] (]) 02:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


Does this have merit as an article? Happy for anyone to contribute :) ] (]) 14:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
==Mentions of Wikiprojects/Noticeboards?==
I just discovered the ] and ] noticeboards and added them to the main article page ]. However, looking again I see the Israel one says go to wikiprojects so I fixed that. My question: is this a good idea for the variety of political reasons one might think of which I won't list? ] (]) 18:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


:It does. Eventually a proposal will get traction... ] (]) 01:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Can we have an automated mailing list? The idea behind that is to halt tag teaming on articles...as most contentious issues are repeat performances and standardised formulae for the various issues should be worked out in advance by involved editors...] (]) 02:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
::On second thought, now that as of this writing an inaugural ceasefire is holding, ceasefires are the salient matter. Calls for ceasefires are a matter for our coverage of protests and such, methinks. ] (]) 14:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


== ] ==
==Need List of Volunteer Neutral Editors here???==
Per the above and my own recent experiences trying to find help for problems, I was wondering if it would be helpful to have a front page section listing volunteer neutral editors who want to help and then for us to go out and get some?? It would make it less haphazard trying to find editors neutral on and willing/unafraid to deal with the topic. And if there were complaints they were just overboard biased, we could remove them. (Of course, that whole process in itself might make doing this difficult.)
After 1.5 years of active editing, it took me rewriting these pages and looking at or trying the variety of dispute resolution resources I had not yet tried to get a better picture of how to deal with issues. I find that sometimes you get good advice, sometimes none, sometimes POV viewpoints that reek of canvassing and tag teaming, and there's the problem I'm having with at least one, maybe two, editors following me around saying negative things to sabotage my requests for help. Having a neutral editor easily available would help with all those problems! ] (]) 19:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


The page ] is a disaster of a piece of content at present. It's almost wholly unsourced, could potentially be a personal essay, and the only sources are some op-eds, not scholarship. It's so dysfunctional that it borders on a ] case, but I thought it might be worth flagging it as a doer-upper first. ] (]) 22:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
==Questions on "Citing and reporting incidents" section just added==
First, I'm hoping more people will come back here once holidays really over next week. ;-) Plus more problems should be arising related to ] and related changes across various articles.
Second, see my proposal on ] and ].
Third, I just moved ] back to main page as a separate section but have a few questions of things I don't understand that should be made clear/corrected. But I think we need some examples of what raises to that level, as opposed to the other places to report mentioned in the next paragraph. (Incivility, sockpuppets, etc.) (Looking at the Warnings and Blocks helpful and if there's an analysis page, that might help explain.)
*I am unclear on difference between citing and reporting. Citing means mentioning past Arbitration issue on talk page of article one is editing, like "User:PartisanPest has been blocked twice of disruptive editing."??? Where as reporting evidently means to ].
*I am confused on when an editors pattern of disruptive edits on one or a series of articles becomes a behavioral pattern that should be reported as that and what would be the policy to quote. I think that needs explicit explanation.
*This issue is partially raised by this current sentence: ''When criticising particular edits, comment on the content and not identity of the contributor. Aside from the fact that attempting to challenge a particular argument by challenging the person who offered the argument constitutes a ], it is likely to be a violation of ].''
* To ''Do not make allegations of ] (including ]) unless you have fairly strong proof of such'' I'd like to add specific example, like: ''for example, his/her following you to at least __ pages they have not edited previously to delete your edits or to follow you to various help pages to comment on your attempts to seek advice or help.'' Or whatever people think is most relevant.
*Is there a wiki page to point to that already details how to do this? Couldn't find one and there should be one. ] (]) 18:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


:This isn't within our ambit, or at least not yet. Let's wait for the ] to happen before we have our own ]. And not to put too fine a point on it, the last item on the Post-Zionism's talk page is dated 27 June 2013, so no controversy there. (] 11 March 2022 likewise). ] (]) 14:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
==Flagged Revisions Discussion and BLP articles feeler==
I finally figured out what ] are and oppose them because I can imagine a POV clique taking over I-P articles. Share your opinion here ] Also on what to do about BLP's with flagged revisions one option here: ] ] (]) 21:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


== Proposed mergers at ] ==
: From my ], I can assure you that there's no reason to be afraid of that. They are quibbling over it a lot, but I haven't seen anybody who raised any concern like this. &mdash; ] 02:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Editors have proposed merging the articles ] and ] into ], which are of interest to this WikiProject.


You are invited join the discussions at {{slink|Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis#Proposed merger}} and {{slink|Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis#Proposed merger 2}}.—] 17:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
==RfC on Arbitration Enforcement==
Obviously this could be relevant to this project and people might want to comment. ]. Runs til Feb 21. If people want to run their own thoughts by here, first, feel free. I might later. ] (]) 15:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


== Article idea: Israeli settler organizations ==
==RfC on Checkusers==
] Considering there are checkusers with strong POVs on both sides of the issue, this is quite relevant. In fact I opined that people who edit a lot on this issue should not be checkusers at all. One of the issues is a Board to hear complaints, which I think may have arisen as a proposal because of complaints about at least one of the check users. It makes one question whole process. (Of course there is wikiscanners but it's not very good, at this point anyway, and certainly not "official."} ] (]) 16:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


It may be worth creating ], covering orgs that support settlements, like ], ], Nahalat Shimon International, Hashomer Yosh, and Israel Land Fund, and nonprofits that financially support those orgs like Friends of Ir David and the ] . We have articles on some of the individual orgs but no overarching article. ] (]) 08:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
== Project barnstar? ==


== Renewed calls for a two-state solution ==
What do people think about having a barnstar that can be awarded by the project? (I'm thinking of something like the {{sectionlink|Sri Lanka Reconciliation Award}}.) I just came across ] message by ], which was ]. How about an award for him? &mdash; ] 18:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I've been trying to find a suitable place in Misplaced Pages for mentions of items such as Thomas Friedman's 14 Nov 2023 in the NYT or the 14 Dec 2023 from 27 Jewish leaders to President Biden, both calling for a two-state solution. Is there an existing article which would be an appropriate home for such items? If not, should we create a new article? Thanks ] (]) 14:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


:Please could someone respond to my question. Another relevant piece has come to my attention, called "", by Michael Koplow and Shira Efron. ] (]) 15:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
== Draft guidelines for placename usage ==
::] fits the bill. ] (]) 18:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
* 1) "West Bank" or "the West Bank" (capitalized) is the most commonly used name for the land area known by that name, and is to be used when referring to that land area as a whole in the context of events after approximately 1970. In the context of events before 1970, and especially 1967-1970, it may sometimes also be appropriate, either capitalized or uncapitalized.
:::I was hesitant about adding such items to that article as there doesn't seem to be a suitable place in the article's structure. But if that's the best article to use, then I/we will need to tweak the structure. Any suggestions? Should I/we create a new top-level section after section "Public opinion in Israel and Palestine"? And what would be a good name for such a section? Thanks ] (]) 19:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
* 2) In the context of events during the British Mandate, terms used by the British administration are probably most appropriate.
::::I've created a section titled "Renewed focus on two-state solution". Your input and comments are very much welcome. ] (]) 23:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
* 3) In the context of events in ancient times, "Samaria" and "Judea" are appropriate placenames.
:Perhaps ]. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 00:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
* 4) When discussing specifically the administrative region of Judea and Samaria, in the context of that administration and not merely referring to a specific land area, the term "Judea and Samaria" is used.
::Or would ] be a better fit? ] (]) 00:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
* 5) As of the time these guidelines were proposed (in March 2009), given the references which had been examined, some editors were not convinced that there was a proportion of nonpartisan usage in reliable sources of the terms "Samaria" and "Judea" to refer to places in the context of events in modern times sufficient that the terms could be used without qualification while conveying a sufficiently neutral voice. On the other hand, the terms are used in sources to refer to land areas which may not have other common specific names referring to exactly the same areas. The terms can be used inside quotations from sources, (for example, putting "in Samaria" in quotation marks if it's a quote from the source), in phrases such as "the area sometimes called Samaria", or in phrases such as "the biblical region of Judea", etc., but not in plain unqualified use. In particular contexts, sometimes "northern West Bank" or "southern West Bank" is sufficiently precise and conveniently concise. Ideally, the proportion of mentions of the term "Samaria" and "Judea" as compared to the mentions of "West Bank" in Misplaced Pages articles in general will correspond to the overall proportions of those mentions in similar contexts in reliable sources, but each case depends on what works well in the context of a given article.


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::''Comment''' on (1). Why 1970? West Bank, the Jordanian name from 1950, was quickly accepted in international usage, and stable by mid-50s (the American administration always talked about the 'West Bank scenario' ). Even Israel accepted this, and Government documents in Hebrew down to 1960 refer to it as 'the West Bank/Hagadah HaMaariv). I can't see why Israel's desire to rename it unilaterally after 1977 should alter this 6 decades usage.] (]) 20:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:::'''Comment''' It is simply wrong to suggest that "West Bank" was in common usage prior to 1967 or '69, or that the "American administration ''always'' talked about the West Bank scenario'." I have demonstrated in my evidence that there was ''not one reference'' to "West Bank" in the Unispal documents prior to 1968. I am quite sure you are mistaken on this point. In fact, on page four of ]' 1999 book ''Righteous Victims, A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict'' he says, ''"The population has tended to concentrate, in both ancient and modern times, in the hilly central areas of Judea, Samaria, and Galilee..." '' This is just one more contemporaneous use of Judea and Samaria by a distinguished historian, an historian often referenced by the Palestinians as an authority. ] (]) 23:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I suggest you do your homework. Read the primary documents from official Israeli government correspondence with the United States, from 1956-1964, for example (two crisis periods) as cited in specialist histories of the period, and you will find ample use by American diplomats, Israeli diplomats and politicians, of the term 'West Bank'. As for always, Abraham Ben-Zvi, whose two books I was thinking of in particular, says 'repeatedly use'. So, back to your books, chum. They're in what they call libraries.] (]) 11:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)] (]) 11:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::: When West Bank ''was'' used prior to '69, it had a different meaning from today, as it was then in Jordan, and was the "West Bank" of the river. It did not suggest "Palestine," at that time, but meant "Jordan." It had no specific boundary. Even today, the "boundary" of the West Bank is merely the '48 Armistice line with ''Jordan''. Oh and when Ben-Zvi wrote "repeatedly used" he was referring to the repeated use of the "Scenario," not the repeated use of the words. Homework doesn't help with that. Good reading skills do, however. The library is so passe ;) ] (]) 05:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::What has changed? Surely it does still refer to the west bank of the Jordan river? That is, it's a geographical term, which has/had ''political implications'' in terms of suggesting that the area was part of Jordan (ie, not part of "Palestine" nor of Israel) And of course, the fact that it is not primarily Israeli or Palestinian terminology is presumably one thing that has helped it remain, since at least the 1960s, as the preferred standard term to this day. Today, "Palestine" would be the term to use to suggest "Palestine". --] (]) 08:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::In short, points (1) (2) and (3) are acceptable if we simply adopt the respective terms for (1)1950-onwards (2) Mandatory period refs use Mandatory period language (1920-/1948/1949) (3) References for antiquity follow sources and use Judea and Samaria for the relevant periods. (a note) A little problem exists for the Roman, Arab and Ottoman periods, but that is minor. The only sticking point I can see is that peculiar qualification in 1 ('In the context of events before 1970, and especially 1967-1970, it may sometimes also be appropriate, either capitalized or uncapitalized'), the point of which is hard to see.] (]) 20:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Good work'''. Excellent ground-work for compromise and consensus. Thanks, Coppertwig. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 01:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Ideological support''' - it's great that someone is finally trying to resolve this in a civilized way again, and I highly appreciate the effort! IMO, it is very important however to include a geographical clause, about using the terms in a purely geographical non-political context, for example, ''] is located on the Samarian foothills, near the ] region of Israel'' or ''] is located on the Samarian foothills in the ]''. -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 01:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support - with Ynhockey's "purely geographical clause" ''' - ] (]) 03:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I see actually zero movement towards a compromise in the formulation, in several points. 'the land '''as a whole''',' just means, technically, slipping 'Judea and Samaria' in through the backdoor, for the whole period, from antiquity to 2009. I.e. it means 'West Bank' is generically acceptable as a political identification for the period 1970-2009+, but for any other geographical, political or administrative context, Judea & Samaria qualifies. Thus phrased, the minority view comes out as dominant usage. Clever tableturning. ] (]) 21:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Given attempts to replace references to "occupied territories" with "disputed territories", then maybe a policy should also include these and also "occupied Palestinian territories" (to exclude the Golan Heights and, where relevant, Sinai).--] (]) 09:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support up to a point''', more clarity needed. 1) to 3) seem good, subject to Nishidani's point that West Bank would seem to be the common term for some time before 1970. Perhaps some more evidence is needed on timelines for this - as ever, one-off uses one way or the other not being enough of course. 4) and 5) seem to be a little unclear, and offer some leeway for people to start throwing in the terms, eg by saying "ah, but I am talking about the J&S administration, not the area itself" or "I'm just quoting this source which talks about Samaria" or "well 90% of settlement pages say they're in the the West Bank, so let's give this one as in Samaria/Judea, to be fair" or "ah but I don't mean one half of J&S, I'm referring the area which traditionally extends into Israel" etc. I'm afraid this is a bit of red line for me - no settlement, Palestinian town or geographical feature should ever be described as being in "Judea" and/or "Samaria". They don't add anything except for a load of political baggage, however we might try to argue around it. If we mean the top half of the West Bank, say "northern West Bank" like all mainstream contemporary sources do. Of course I agree with Ynhockey's point that beyond that we can and indeed should also be referring to more localised areas - eg "X is a Palestinian town/Y is an Israeli settlement in the Jordan Valley in the northern West Bank, 2km east of Nablus" (apologies I haven't checked if that works or not, but you get the point). It can also then specify which Israeli or Palestinian local authority (council or governate) it comes under.--] (]) 11:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
*'''Suggestion''' regarding 4): wouldn't it be wiser to use the phrasing "the administrative district of Judea and Samaria" whenever referring to the administrative district? ''i.e.'' explicitly stating the administrative district part? This avoids confusion about using "Judea and Samaria" as a general place name. Cheers, <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']''' - 01.04.2009 11:54</small>


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== Looking for Project volunteers to answer some questions ==
*I very much appreciate all the comments. When I posted the draft guidelines, I neglected to mention that I didn't create them out of thin air: they're based on the considerable work that has already been done by many in this discussion, including compromises already established or being worked on; I was inspired particularly by Nishidani and Canadian Monkey, but also by many other editors. I'm sure many of you know a lot more about these issues than I do, so I hope you'll contribute suggested changes in the wording to help improve and fill out the details in these guidelines. (By the way, I see that when I posted the draft in a hurry a few days ago, I accidentally posted to the project page instead of here as I had intended; I thank ] for fixing that.)<br/>I would appreciate it if people would suggest wording for the guidelines to cover the period 1948-67, and perhaps suggest talk pages to look at where there have already been discussions about this. It may be that "West Bank" was used (sometimes uncapitalized?) during that period but not as universally as it was later; I don't know the status of other terms during that time. I'm sorry: I thought I had read "1970" somewhere within the last few days but I can't find it and I might have remembered wrong. At the same time I thought I had read about the use of "west bank" without capital letters. It might be better to just say "1967".<br/>I've made a copy of the draft guidelines below and invite users to edit it. I'm going to make some changes, largely to try to accomodate some of the comments above; they're just suggested changes and can be changed back if people don't like them. <span style="color:Red; font-size:19pt;">☺</span>] (]) 22:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::I think that where I had seen mention of the year 1970 and "west bank" without capital letters was in ]. <span style="color:Orange; font-size:17pt;">☺</span>] (]) 22:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:OK, I've made a bunch of changes to the draft guidelines below, and invite others to also edit them collaboratively.
:Some remaining questions: Should the "modern times" part say after 1948, after 1950 or after 1967 (or what)? Is "modern times" a reasonable phrase to refer to that? (Though perhaps it doesn't really matter much what it's called within the guidelines themselves.) What would be some initial proposed wording for guidelines about "occupied territories" and "disputed territories", an issue raised by Peter cohen above? (Or, where are some links to previous discussion of this issue?) <span style="color:Orange; font-size:11pt;">☺</span>] (])
*'''Absolute Ideological Support Implementation irrelevant to me''' ] what we end up with, but this is ''precisely'' what ] should be for.--] (]) 04:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:I reorganized the draft guidelines to be in chronological order and what seems to me to be a somewhat logical order. I reduced the level of indentation compared to the previous edit. I added a sentence about "northern West Bank" and "southern West Bank", and made some other smallish changes. <span style="color:Orange; font-size:17pt;">☺</span>] (]) 22:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:I've put notices about this discussion at ] and ]. <span style="color:Orange; font-size:19pt;">☺</span>] (]) 02:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Guidelines are at least something to hang your hat on and specific problems can be argued in that context. The draft is really quite good on first look. ] (]) 05:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


I am writing an article for ], Misplaced Pages's internal newspaper and am looking for 2-4 WP:Israel Palestine Collaboration volunteers, both longer term and newer members. Feel free to directly add your answers on ] and let me know if you any questions/comments. ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 22:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
== Draft guidelines: editable version ==
:''Anyone may edit this copy of the draft guidelines, with the goal of achieving consensus. See also the discussion in the previous section.''
* 1) References for antiquity follow sources and use ] and ] for the relevant periods.
* 2) In the context of events during the British Mandate (1920-1948/1949) , terms used by the British administration are probably most appropriate.
* 3) Guidelines 4–10 refer to modern times (After 1948? After 1950? After 1967?).
* 4) "]" or "the West Bank" (capitalized) is the most commonly used name for the land area known by that name, and is to be used when referring to that land area as a whole in the context of events after 1967. In the context of events before 1967, it may sometimes also be appropriate, either capitalized or uncapitalized. The terms "northern West Bank" and "southern West Bank" can be used to refer to parts of it.
* 5) When discussing specifically the administrative region of ], in the context of that administration and not merely referring to a specific land area, the term "Judea and Samaria" may be used. The first time it is mentioned in an article, it is to be clarified by the use of a phrase such as "the administrative district of Judea and Samaria", or by a wikilink to its article or both.
* 6) As of the time these guidelines were proposed (in March 2009), given the references which had been examined, some editors were not convinced that there was a proportion of nonpartisan usage in reliable sources of the terms "Samaria" and "Judea" to refer to places in the context of events in modern times sufficient that the terms could be used without qualification while conveying a sufficiently neutral voice. On the other hand, the terms are used in sources to refer to land areas which may not have other common specific names referring to exactly the same areas. The terms "Samaria" or "Judea" cannot be used without qualification in the NPOV neutral voice; for example, it cannot be asserted without qualification that a place is "in Samaria". Any uses of the terms must be in one of the situations described in (7) and must use one of the following qualifications.
*:* 6A) The terms are used inside quotations from sources, (for example, perhaps putting just "in Samaria" in quotation marks if the source uses that phrase), or
*:* 6B) In phrases such as "the area sometimes called Samaria", etc., or
*:* 6C) In phrases such as "the biblical region of Judea", etc., or
*:* 6D) As an adjective as part of a phrase which appears in a source, for example "on the Samarian foothills", or
*:* 6E) The term is being mentioned rather than used, as in "Samaria is a term used for ...", or
*:* 6F) The term is being used within the article about itself, where its meaning and usage has already been explained to the reader; although additional qualifications may be needed for some uses even there.
* 7) Qualified uses as described in (6) will be used only in one of the following two situations
*:* 7A) The term is part of a longer quote from a source; or
*:* 7B) All three of the following conditions hold (or there is rough consensus that each of them holds):
*:*:* 7B (i) The term is used in the source; and
*:*:* 7B (ii) the term is being used primarily in a geographical sense; and
*:*:* 7B (iii) use of the term allows for a more precise, concise geographical specification than "northern West Bank" or "southern West Bank" or avoids awkward phrases such as "in northern southern West Bank".
* 8) Since some sources do use the terms in modern times, phrases such as "what was once Samaria" or "what was once Judea" are not appropriate in the NPOV neutral voice, although e.g. "what was once the kingdom of Samaria" may be OK in some contexts, for example when discussing archeology, or in one of the situations in (7).
* 9) Ideally, the proportion of mentions of the terms "Samaria" and "Judea" as compared to the mentions of "West Bank" in Misplaced Pages articles in general will correspond to the overall proportions of those mentions in similar contexts in reliable sources, but each case depends on what works well in the context of a given article.
* 10) However, when one of the placename terms appears in a quote from a source which is being used for other reasons, the placename is not to be elided from the quote for the purpose of reducing the number of mentions of the placename.


== Requested move at ] ==
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From the "to do" list above: ''] and ] which haven't been used, at least until they are made more workable and/or used'' ] (]) 13:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


== Requested move at ] ==
:No problem in leaving them. It might inspire usage.--] (]) 00:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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== Requested move at ] ==
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== Articles wanted ==

I think we've all noticed the (unsurprising) recent proliferation in new articles that quickly get AFD'd or merged. Meanwhile, there are still articles that have not yet been written but would easily pass GNG as stand-alones. I thought for editors who are interested in making new articles in this topic area, it might be useful to gather some redlinks and greenlinks to turn blue. Here are my suggestions (and GScholar searches for convenience):
* ]
* ] (or ])
* ] (1948-1966 in Israel, 1967-... in occupied territories)
* ] or ] or ] (includes looting of homes, archives, antiquities, etc., compare with ], ])
* ]
Other suggestions welcome, unless this was the wrong place to post this, in which case, sorry! ] (]) 07:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

:] in case anyone wants to work on that. ] (]) 17:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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== Please help improve the following articles ==

Requesting collaboration to improve the articles ], ], and ] , which are all currently being considered for deletion, in order to make sure that these articles align with Misplaced Pages guidelines. I believe that all the major issues brought up in the deletion request could be addressed and fixed if we work to improve these articles collaboratively, especially considering the precedent of ]. Your expertise and contributions are highly valued. ] (]) 14:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move at ] ==
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== ] ==

Dear all

I've just created an article for ], any additions are very welcome.

Thanks very much

] (]) 11:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

:Hi all, I'd appreciate some help with it, someone has added what appears to be government propaganda trying to discredit the organisation by pretending the symbol they use celebrates a lynching. ] (]) 00:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

== ] ==

Thoughts on this newly-created article? ] (]) 13:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

:I have just read it and feel very depressed for human kind. A well written article though. ] (]) 17:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi everyone, I've started a new article on the topic of ]. It's not comprehensive but hopefully gives an overview of the topic. Any edits or suggestions are of course welcome. ] (]) 17:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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== IRC Channel: on Liberal and not on Freenode ==

Hi, a minor nit:

The page mentions that the IRC channel is on ] (that makes no sense. Surely there's no Misplaced Pages activity there). The link to the Webchat sends to a channel on ]. For now, the channel there is dormant and does not seem to be registered. Should I register it? ] (]) 11:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move at ] ==

There is a requested move at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 23:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== depopulated Palestinian villages ==

Hello, the entries mentioned in ], ] and ] and other articles also in other languages do not have unified/appropriate properties in wikidata, , others are left as instances of "human settelment", "village" or "former human settlement", and with inconsistent (or non-existing property for) location, country ...etc, and a few have the properties relating to the timeframe of their depopulation. wikidata is still lacking/behind in some "technical" level such as describing the former population. But those still require consistency and inclusion of missing properties.

Adding apropriatly consistent properties to the remaining hundreds of items as this is disregarded/underacknowledged information is vital for any general attempt for reflection/contextualization that is genuine. ] (]) 12:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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== RM Talk:Genocide of Indigenous peoples#RFC: Palestinian genocide accusations ==

May be of interest. ] (]) 18:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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== ] ==

] Translation suggestion / request.

I'm not sure if there is a last I'm supposed to add it to?

] (]) 15:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move at ] ==
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== An RFC of interest ==

Please see ]. ] (]) 12:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== ] ==

There are two discussion occurring at ] and ] discussing whether the article should be edited to further cover the opinions of ]. Editors are invited to participate. '']''<sup>]</sup> 07:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

== An RFC of interest ==

Please see ]. ] (]) 13:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

== Merge proposal ] ] ==

About 5 years ago, I expanded ] with its pre-Jewish history -there was a village called Mulabbis there. A few months ago an editor -without consulting anyone- removed all the pre-Jewish history from ] and put it in an article called ]. This is a relatively small article. I have now started a formal discussion about a merge, see ], cheers, ] (]) 21:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move at ] ==
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* The RM has been closed. ''']] (])''' 00:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

== ] RfC ==

There's a discussion at ] about whether specific prose attributed to Benny Morris should be added to ]. Editors are invited to participate. '']''<sup>]</sup> 07:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

== Writing about the 69 destroyed cultural heritage in Gaza ==

At ''']''', we have a table based on a ] list published 5 days ago, showing the 69 main cultural sites destroyed in Gaza. Many do not yet have articles about them.

Please help in creating articles about these destroyed sites.

] (]) 09:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

== Discussion on the reliability of the Jewish Chronicle ==

There is a discussion at the Reliable sources/Noticeboard about the reliability of the Jewish Chronicle, interested editors can see the discussion here ]. -- <small>LCU</small> ''']''' <small>''«]» °]°''</small> 19:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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== Referring to Member statements section ==

The red field in the ] says: "This project page can be edited by all members. To become a member, please write a short message in the Member statements section" but the Member statements were removed to Archive. Maybe someone more experienced can remove that sentence and then remove this discussion topic ~ ] (]) 10:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi. Where are the member statements in the archive? Can you post the link here? Thanks, ] | ] 15:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
::https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Archive_3#h-Member_statements-2008-01-16T17:09:00.000Z ~ ] (]) 15:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks. How about if the member statements are moved to a subpage, so that participants can add new statements there? ] | ] 15:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

== Reference to Nakba missing in description of Israeli settlement history ==

''Note: Decisions on this topic affect all pages about Israeli settlements''

On this page https://en.wikipedia.org/Kfar_Chabad about an Israeli settlement established in 1949, I noticed that there is no mention of destroying a Palestinian settlement or expelling people. The only reference is that it was a "depopulated" Palestinian village. By not mentioning the circumstances surrounding the establishment of the settlement but mentioning the "Terrorist attack on the vocational school" the story becomes one-sided.

My suggestion is to add at least one sentence about the Nakba, referring to the Nakba page. This probably applies to most pages about Israeli municipalities/settlements. To avoid having to create a specific description for each municipality/settlement, my suggestion is to use this generic sentence if possible: "During the ], Zionist militias forcibly expelled about half of the inhabitants of Palestine from their homes." ] (]) 11:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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== RfC: should ] -article be linked from the ]-article? ==

See:], cheers, ] (]) 22:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

== Shalom Nagar ==

I'd welcome more eyes, and corrections, on this ] of Adolf Eichmann's executioner. The "later years" section, especially parts cited from ], covers areas of interest to this wikiproject that I want to make sure I've covered fairly. ] (]) 16:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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"Al-Aqsa is in danger"

Hello, I'm sure you're all very busy at the moment, but am looking for third-party input on something. An editor made a very large addition to the small page Al-Aqsa is in danger which appears to me to seriously skew the article's tone and compromise its NPOV. It seemed relatively good and neutral (if short) before, but certainly the additions appear very much to push it in one direction. I've laid out what I think are the problems on the talk page and on the relevant user's talk page, but have gotten no response. To avoid an edit war, would appreciate if someone (or multiple someones) would take a look. Thanks! AntiDionysius (talk) 10:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Nakba denial

I have created a page on the subject of Nakba denial - a topic of some weight in literature on the historiography of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I have barely scratched the surface of the available source, having prioritized the most readily accessible ones. There may very well be some gaping gaps, not least in that I don't have access to any of the best Ilan Pappé material, so haven't been able to directly quote him. More eyes welcome. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:March 2010 Israel–Gaza clashes#Requested move 13 October 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:March 2010 Israel–Gaza clashes#Requested move 13 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — MaterialWorks 15:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israeli permit regime in the West Bank

An editor has requested that Israeli permit regime in the West Bank be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. GnocchiFan (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Casualties of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war

I'm spinning this off the main article because it's taking up quite a lot of space and almost certainly will continue to expand with an Israeli ground incursion into Gaza. You're welcome to help me get this ready for the mainspace. --Jprg1966 01:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?

An editor has started an RfC asking "Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas be included in the List of Islamist terrorist attacks?" at Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?. Interested editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPath 23:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Limiting or merging single-event stubs (in war navbox)

I've been seeing a lot of minor war events getting their own articles, which are 90% navboxes and background and 'see also' links to war lists. They often draw on twitter posts or less reputable sources. They are also rapidly added to the navboxes (which are on a lot of high-traffic pages), making those much less useful and perhaps confusing readers who click through a few serious articles and then end up on a dodgy, thinly sourced stub.

I made routine merges of the Daraghmeh + KY articles, which were reverted; the former now somewhat inefficiently sitting through AfD, the latter a draft. What's a smooth way to set a style guideline for what gets a navbox-level article / what should be developed in draft-space?

Examples: These 3 all started out quoting unreliable pro-military sources; nothing notable + no details

These simply don't need their own article:

These might be kept if improved :

– SJ + 03:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Glad someone is trying to tackle this thorny issue. A few minutes after (some event) happens, odds are good that someone will try to make an article out of it. Criteria would be good, but do you mean only for AI/IP articles? Selfstudier (talk) 17:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Wars are one of the few events that generate such a proliferation of stubs and nav-links, and attract editors who fight over them rather than merging into a few informative articles. This war and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are the recent examples I've seen. We ideally could point people on navbox talk pages to standard guidelines for how to keep them useful. – SJ + 06:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-10/21

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-10/21. Your contributions would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 17:27, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

From the river to the sea

Experienced editors are invited to look at the recent work at this article. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Timeline of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war: Methodology & Translations

Having concluded my sabbatical, and having found this project, I'm ready to dive in again where angels fear to dive. Currently I'm taking a more narrow focus, working backwards as events become clearer in retrospect (the historiography will come later); too, reliable sources have begun to assemble their own timelines. If anyone wants to undertake massive improvements large or small, feel free!

For reference, these have been my sources to date: Al Jazeera, BBC, The Forward, The Guardian, Times of Israel, Haaretz, Middle East Eye, NYT, and to an extent the think tank Institute for the Study of War.

Secondly, the first translation was into Chinese. There are now six. Although I'm a monoglot, I can tell that the French was, at least initially, a straight up translation whereas the German is definitely its own creature. The most recent, surprisingly, is Arabic. Just as surprisingly, Hebrew has yet to appear! Is anyone more knowledgeable keeping an eye on these narratives?

kencf0618 (talk) 13:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the project, Ken. Thank you in particular for your focus on RS. I agree that all of those you list meet WP:RS. ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 08:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
It helps that whatever the editorial stance, they're dealing with brute fact. kencf0618 (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Declarations of War

I've been casting about for the formal Israeli declaration of war by invocation of Article 40A –the actual Knesset/Security Cabinet paperwork– as well as a transcription of Mohammed Deif's announcement in full. All I'm finding are bits and pieces. kencf0618 (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Calls for a ceasefire during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war

Does this have merit as an article? Happy for anyone to contribute :) Neegzistuoja (talk) 14:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

It does. Eventually a proposal will get traction... kencf0618 (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
On second thought, now that as of this writing an inaugural ceasefire is holding, ceasefires are the salient matter. Calls for ceasefires are a matter for our coverage of protests and such, methinks. kencf0618 (talk) 14:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Post-Zionism

The page Post-Zionism is a disaster of a piece of content at present. It's almost wholly unsourced, could potentially be a personal essay, and the only sources are some op-eds, not scholarship. It's so dysfunctional that it borders on a WP:TNT case, but I thought it might be worth flagging it as a doer-upper first. Iskandar323 (talk) 22:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

This isn't within our ambit, or at least not yet. Let's wait for the historiography to happen before we have our own Historikerstreit. And not to put too fine a point on it, the last item on the Post-Zionism's talk page is dated 27 June 2013, so no controversy there. (New Historians 11 March 2022 likewise). kencf0618 (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed mergers at Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis

Editors have proposed merging the articles Kidnapping of Hersh Goldberg-Polin and Kidnapping of Noa Argamani into 2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis, which are of interest to this WikiProject.

You are invited join the discussions at Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis § Proposed merger and Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis § Proposed merger 2.—Alalch E. 17:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Article idea: Israeli settler organizations

It may be worth creating Israeli settler organizations, covering orgs that support settlements, like Regavim, Ateret Cohanim, Nahalat Shimon International, Hashomer Yosh, and Israel Land Fund, and nonprofits that financially support those orgs like Friends of Ir David and the Central Fund of Israel . We have articles on some of the individual orgs but no overarching article. DFlhb (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Renewed calls for a two-state solution

I've been trying to find a suitable place in Misplaced Pages for mentions of items such as Thomas Friedman's 14 Nov 2023 opinion piece in the NYT or the 14 Dec 2023 letter from 27 Jewish leaders to President Biden, both calling for a two-state solution. Is there an existing article which would be an appropriate home for such items? If not, should we create a new article? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 14:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Please could someone respond to my question. Another relevant piece has come to my attention, called "Starting From the Ground Up: U.S. Policy Options for Post-Hamas Gaza", by Michael Koplow and Shira Efron. Misha Wolf (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Two state solution fits the bill. kencf0618 (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
I was hesitant about adding such items to that article as there doesn't seem to be a suitable place in the article's structure. But if that's the best article to use, then I/we will need to tweak the structure. Any suggestions? Should I/we create a new top-level section after section "Public opinion in Israel and Palestine"? And what would be a good name for such a section? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
I've created a section titled "Renewed focus on two-state solution". Your input and comments are very much welcome. Misha Wolf (talk) 23:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps this article. RolandR (talk) 00:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Or would this one be a better fit? Misha Wolf (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Re'im music festival massacre#Requested move 6 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Re'im music festival massacre#Requested move 6 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Siege of Gaza City#Requested move 6 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Siege of Gaza City#Requested move 6 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Looking for Project volunteers to answer some questions

I am writing an article for WP:SIGNPOST, Misplaced Pages's internal newspaper and am looking for 2-4 WP:Israel Palestine Collaboration volunteers, both longer term and newer members. Feel free to directly add your answers on Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/Next issue/WikiProject report and let me know if you any questions/comments. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel#Requested move 8 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel#Requested move 8 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Holit massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Holit massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Nir Yitzhak massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nir Yitzhak massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 12 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 12 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 26 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 26 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Articles wanted

I think we've all noticed the (unsurprising) recent proliferation in new articles that quickly get AFD'd or merged. Meanwhile, there are still articles that have not yet been written but would easily pass GNG as stand-alones. I thought for editors who are interested in making new articles in this topic area, it might be useful to gather some redlinks and greenlinks to turn blue. Here are my suggestions (and GScholar searches for convenience):

Other suggestions welcome, unless this was the wrong place to post this, in which case, sorry! Levivich (talk) 07:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Palestinian cultural genocide in case anyone wants to work on that. Levivich (talk) 17:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Jewish exodus from the Muslim world#Requested move 26 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jewish exodus from the Muslim world#Requested move 26 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please help improve the following articles

Requesting collaboration to improve the articles List of terrorist incidents in the Palestinian territories, List of terrorist incidents in Israel in 2022, and List of terrorist incidents in Israel in 2024 , which are all currently being considered for deletion, in order to make sure that these articles align with Misplaced Pages guidelines. I believe that all the major issues brought up in the deletion request could be addressed and fixed if we work to improve these articles collaboratively, especially considering the precedent of similar articles existing for various other countries on the English Misplaced Pages. Your expertise and contributions are highly valued. WikiJunkie (talk) 14:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident#Requested move 29 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident#Requested move 29 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:12, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Artists4Ceasefire

Dear all

I've just created an article for Artists4Ceasefire, any additions are very welcome.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 11:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi all, I'd appreciate some help with it, someone has added what appears to be government propaganda trying to discredit the organisation by pretending the symbol they use celebrates a lynching. John Cummings (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Animal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse

Thoughts on this newly-created article? AusLondonder (talk) 13:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I have just read it and feel very depressed for human kind. A well written article though. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israel–Hamas war

Hi everyone, I've started a new article on the topic of destruction of cultural heritage during the Israel–Hamas war. It's not comprehensive but hopefully gives an overview of the topic. Any edits or suggestions are of course welcome. Richard Nevell (talk) 17:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 11 April 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 11 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

IRC Channel: on Liberal and not on Freenode

Hi, a minor nit:

The page mentions that the IRC channel is on Freenode (that makes no sense. Surely there's no Misplaced Pages activity there). The link to the Webchat sends to a channel on Libera Chat. For now, the channel there is dormant and does not seem to be registered. Should I register it? Tzafrir (talk) 11:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Weaponization of antisemitism

There is a requested move at Weaponization of antisemitism that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Mistamystery (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

depopulated Palestinian villages

Hello, the entries mentioned in List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war, List of villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict and Category:Villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict and other articles also in other languages do not have unified/appropriate properties in wikidata, about 20 out of the 600~ depopulated villages are clearly marked as such in wikidata, others are left as instances of "human settelment", "village" or "former human settlement", and with inconsistent (or non-existing property for) location, country ...etc, and a few have the properties relating to the timeframe of their depopulation. wikidata is still lacking/behind in some "technical" level such as describing the former population. But those still require consistency and inclusion of missing properties.

Adding apropriatly consistent properties to the remaining hundreds of items as this is disregarded/underacknowledged information is vital for any general attempt for reflection/contextualization that is genuine. Uwe a (talk) 12:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza#Requested move 3 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza#Requested move 3 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tel al-Sultan airstikes#Requested move 27 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tel al-Sultan airstikes#Requested move 27 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

RM Talk:Genocide of Indigenous peoples#RFC: Palestinian genocide accusations

May be of interest. Selfstudier (talk) 18:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel#Requested move 4 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel#Requested move 4 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza#Requested move 3 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza#Requested move 3 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The section is "Three options".

FortunateSons (talk) 10:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

he:תצפיתנית

he:תצפיתנית Translation suggestion / request.

I'm not sure if there is a last I'm supposed to add it to?

MWQs (talk) 15:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:University of Texas at Austin stabbing#Requested move 14 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:University of Texas at Austin stabbing#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • 22:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

An RFC of interest

Please see Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#RFC - Gaza Health Ministry qualifier. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight

There are two discussion occurring at Talk:1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight#Haifa and Talk:1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight#Unconditional surrender at Haifa: gross misrepresentation discussing whether the article should be edited to further cover the opinions of Benny Morris. Editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPath 07:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

An RFC of interest

Please see Talk:List of genocides#RFC - Inclusion of Gaza genocide. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal Petah Tikva Mulabbes

About 5 years ago, I expanded Petah Tikva with its pre-Jewish history -there was a village called Mulabbis there. A few months ago an editor -without consulting anyone- removed all the pre-Jewish history from Petah Tikva and put it in an article called Mulabbes. This is a relatively small article. I have now started a formal discussion about a merge, see Talk:Petah_Tikva#Merge_proposal, cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 5#Requested move 7 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 5#Requested move 7 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath 04:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight RfC

There's a discussion at Talk:1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#RfC_–_In_the_article_section_about_"Haifa",_should_the_following_paragraph_be_added? about whether specific prose attributed to Benny Morris should be added to 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight. Editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPath 07:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Writing about the 69 destroyed cultural heritage in Gaza

At Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip#List of sites, we have a table based on a UNESCO list published 5 days ago, showing the 69 main cultural sites destroyed in Gaza. Many do not yet have articles about them.

Please help in creating articles about these destroyed sites.

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on the reliability of the Jewish Chronicle

There is a discussion at the Reliable sources/Noticeboard about the reliability of the Jewish Chronicle, interested editors can see the discussion here WP:RSN#RFC Jewish Chronicle. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 13 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 13 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --MikutoH 22:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Referring to Member statements section

The red field in the WikiProject's header says: "This project page can be edited by all members. To become a member, please write a short message in the Member statements section" but the Member statements were removed to Archive. Maybe someone more experienced can remove that sentence and then remove this discussion topic ~ VanderlekD (talk) 10:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Where are the member statements in the archive? Can you post the link here? Thanks, HG1 | Talk 15:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Archive_3#h-Member_statements-2008-01-16T17:09:00.000Z ~ VanderlekD (talk) 15:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. How about if the member statements are moved to a subpage, so that participants can add new statements there? HG1 | Talk 15:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Reference to Nakba missing in description of Israeli settlement history

Note: Decisions on this topic affect all pages about Israeli settlements

On this page https://en.wikipedia.org/Kfar_Chabad about an Israeli settlement established in 1949, I noticed that there is no mention of destroying a Palestinian settlement or expelling people. The only reference is that it was a "depopulated" Palestinian village. By not mentioning the circumstances surrounding the establishment of the settlement but mentioning the "Terrorist attack on the vocational school" the story becomes one-sided.

My suggestion is to add at least one sentence about the Nakba, referring to the Nakba page. This probably applies to most pages about Israeli municipalities/settlements. To avoid having to create a specific description for each municipality/settlement, my suggestion is to use this generic sentence if possible: "During the Nakba, Zionist militias forcibly expelled about half of the inhabitants of Palestine from their homes." VanderlekD (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present)#Requested move 6 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present)#Requested move 6 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

RfC: should Gaza genocide -article be linked from the Israel-article?

See:Talk:Israel#RfC, cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Shalom Nagar

I'd welcome more eyes, and corrections, on this newly created biography of Adolf Eichmann's executioner. The "later years" section, especially parts cited from The Forward, covers areas of interest to this wikiproject that I want to make sure I've covered fairly. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Antisemitism during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 12 December 2024

Thanks for any comments, ByVarying | talk 18:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 17:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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