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{{nihongo|''''']'''''|天明}} was a ] (年号, ''nengō'', lit. ] name) after '']'' and before ''].'' This period spanned the years from ] through ]. The new era name of ''Tenmei'' (meaning "dawn") was created to mark the enthronement of Emperor {{nihongo|]''-tennō''|光格天皇}}. The previous era ended and the new one commenced in ''An'ei'' 11, on the 2nd day of the 4th month.<ref>Titsingh, Isaac. (1834). ''Annales des empereurs du japon,'' pp. 420-421.</ref>


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== Usurpation of the account Enkyo ==
== Use of Japanese era name in identifying disastrous events ==
First of all, I'm curious to know why you thought of contacting me about this, since I have been inactive in this wiki for quite some time and I'm not in either ] or ]. Next, please note that I haven't gone through the discussions and I am only sharing my general views (as I am & will be almost inactive in the near future).


Hi, Enkyo2. I saw you tried to rename to and it was declined because the name was already registered to a global account. However, if it passed years since the last edit of the account, the ] of the account is available. It will take about ten days after your request if no response to an email notification returned. You can try and leave it for ten days. ―― ] (]) 08:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Coming to article renaming, my take is summarised in the last comment in the thread: ]. I have settled to being content with having a redirect at the place where I want the article to be. As long as readers are able to access the article from the place, I think it is pointless to have a heated debate on moving the page, with there being a lot more important work to do, e.g. important topics that don't even have an article, unencyclopaedic stuff that get articles, etc. ] isn't currently true (it could have come true in the past, with the article moving back & forth — I haven't checked) but my views haven't changed.] -- ] (]) 07:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


: Thank you for your helpful words. --Enkyo2 13:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
:] -- Yes. Thanks for the feedback.
:'''1.''' Your initial curiosity is easily addressed. As you know, I'm interested in creating some kind of consensus about an exception to ] naming "guidelines" for disasters occurring in Japan (645-1867). At the same time, I plausibly guessed that questions about Wiki-nomenclature for events in pre-20th century Japan, also known as pre-] Japan, would likely disinterest the participants in what I construed to be a more future-focused WikiProject.


:Hopefully we can clear up the simple.wp account too : ]. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">] <sup>'''(])'''</sup></span> 05:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:For this reason, I took the extra step of posting a specific invitation on the User talk-pages of contributors to any discussion on the 2007 WP:DM talk-page. I encountered ] in the following context from May 2007:
::'''Bridge disasters categorisation'''<br>
::There is some discussion going on about this at ]. -- ] 04:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::One of the points raised in that discussion is whether all engineering failures are disasters. Specifically, it has been suggested that ] was an engineering failure that wasn't a disaster. In the light of this, should we rethink about having ] as a descendant of ]? -- ] 20:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


==Welcome back==
:Your point is elegant; and, it happens that the sway harmonics of the ] is a subject which interests me quite apart from anyy fascination with ]'s 1652 ], which was the relatively obscure context from which I first approached WP:DM ....
Hope all is well. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 04:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


==Nippon Era's==
:In terms of your Millennium Bridge posting, I wonder if you'd be interested in at least the first of the following external links:
Hi I noticed that you contributed a lot to these articles (your name kept propping up in the talk pages) - do you think those era's should be merged together? I mean the Taika (645–650) Hakuchi (650–654) Shuchō (686–686) Taihō (701–704) Keiun (704–708) Wadō (708–715) periods? ] (]) 16:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
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:::* Strogatz, Steven. (2003). ''Sync: The Emerging Science of Spontaneous Order''. New York: ]. 10-ISBN 0-7868-6844-9; 13-ISBN 978-0-7868-6844-5 (cloth) .


:It is not clear why you seem to suggest that articles about specific ]s should be merged. For example, each of these articles is an independent subject with explicit and different support cited from more than one ]:
:'''2.''' The Dutch ] ] died in 1812 before completing his translation of the seven-volumes of the ] which he brought to Europe in 1796. Titsingh's French translation was published and disseminated posthumously in 1834. Digitized copies of that 19th century text have been uploaded on-line as part of the ]; and I've taken on the multi-year task of furthering metastasis of the Hayashi/Titsingh data-set throughout en:] and ]. This essentially dull Imperial chronology identifies serial earthquakes, tsunami, floods, fires, and volcanic eruptions; and I'm understandably persuaded that it will be easier all around if I try to make any reference to these recurring disasters seem as non-controversial as possible -- which is why I came to engage the issues involved in en:] and en:] naming guidelines.
:* ] →
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:* ] → ... etc.
:* ] → ... etc.
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:For me, the point of your question is not understood. --Enkyo2 12:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
== Neutral notice ==
As an editor with an interest in New York City articles, you are invited to participate in an RfC at . --] (]) 21:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


== Re: Moving of "X family" to "X clan" ==
:This is patently trivial, of course; but my willing investment of time and care may appear less foolish in the context of ]. Each week, a stub or the first paragraph of an important article is chosen to be translated into as many languages as possible. Ideal candidates are (1) short, (2) easy to translate, and (3) lead to potential translations of other topics; and I believe that one of 2007's selections becomes worth noting:
::* Week 42: en:]/] (16 langs total)


Regarding the series of moves your Ansei account made at the start of May, could you be a bit more careful? Most, if not all, of them were/are ''branches'' of Fujiwara/Minamoto/... clans, rather than clans themselves. I've already moved Nijo back, and will work on the others in a bit if you don't wanna do it yourself. Cheers! ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
:Aha! Yes? Do you begin to appreciate the impetus for devoting such close attention to such small details?


== "Jimmu" and others ==
:'''3.''' As for your informed cynicism at ], I do acknowledge that you and others are indisputably correct. Yes, certainly. Nevertheless, my optimistic outlook encourages me to wonder if we shouldn't try to be a little less ready to discount the possibility of constructive outcomes in these kinds of exercises?


Enkyo, why did you ] when you had clearly already seen on the talk page where I had pointed you to the Misplaced Pages style guideline where we ''have'' an established consensus on how to romanize that?? ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:Again, thanks for the feedback. --] (]) 20:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Hi Enkyo,
== 1695 Coin on Japanese Yen ==
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Hi Ooperhoofd, I'm the original user who took out that particular line (later reinstated by Nik42) since I am not familiar with any copper coins with the gen (元) character on the obverse that were issued by the shogunate in 1695, and none of my catalogs lists one. It was interesting to see how the thread progressed at ]'s talk page. :)


I opened an ANI thread on you. This is not personal, and it's not about content (where I ''think'' I agree with you). It's about your use of language (and images, etc) on talk pages. Very difficult to understand. Maybe someone needs to teach you how to communicate on Misplaced Pages. This seemed the easiest way.
As mentioned by Nik42, there is indeed a bronze Kanei-Tsuuhou　(寛永通宝) coin that features a "gen" as a mintmark on the reverse. This indicates an Osaka mint issue of 1741. However, this is a minor variety among many and not actually a coin type like the Kanei-Tsuuhou or Bunkyuu-Eihou. The following coins from the 17th century contain the character "gen" in the name: Genpou-Tsuuhou ()　was issued by Nagasaki merchants at the behest of the Dutch as trade money in 1659. However, this was not a shogunate release that circulated in Japan, and it was merely a copy of the Chinese Yuanfeng-Tongbao. Genna-Tsuuhou () was issued in 1617. There is debate as to whether it was an official release, but it was issued before standardization of coinage in 1668.


Cheers!
I was also confused when I checked the referenced work, ''Annales des Empereurs du Japon'', at Google Book Search. But as you indicated, I was looking at the Stanford version with missing pages. I have since looked at the other edition and have found the passage in question. As the Kanei-Tsuuhou coin with the gen mintmark was released in 1741, it is probably not what this book is referring to. The dates for the two other coins listed above do not match either. Since the 1695 date is during the Genroku (元禄) period, I agree with ] that the "gen" mark is probably a reference to the gold koban (小判) and silver chougin (丁銀) coins that were minted at this time. I'm inclined to think that the ''Annales'' was actually referring to these coins and that "copper" is an error. However, getting back to the issue about Japanese Yen, overall, my stance is that these coins with a "gen" character don't have a bearing on the etymological origins of the term "yen." ] (]) 07:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


] (<small>]]</small>) 14:09, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
== ] ==
Hi! It's me again. According to the Ja WP, the hoei eruption began on Dec.16, 1707 (Nov. 23, the 4th year of Hoei) and ended on Jan.1, 1708. So the previous edit seems to be correct, unless the Ja WP is incorrect. I advise you to see different references and books. ] <small>(])</small> 17:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC) :Hi Enkyo2, I haven't had time to look at this but appears to be the same old; I think you're a great, v.interesting, and v.informative communicator; my advice would be not to get bogged down in discussion with someone who thinks fit to write like this but to move on to one of the tens of thousands of other pages which need your time and learning, ] (]) 21:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
::Links to related threads are and . --] (]) 13:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:Excellent beginning to 2008! Thank you for your continuing attention to minor, but ultimately important details. So this is how Misplaced Pages evolves, eh? I'll revert my edit immediately, if you haven't already done so. --] (]) 17:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::I found another page, actually a Shizuoka Univ. page, says the same thing with Ja WP. Sorry it is Japanese. But you can understand the dates. Wish you a happy new editing year! Thank you. ] <small>(])</small> 17:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


{{outdent}}I added an inline-note which mirrors . A review of the guideline page history shows that these sentences were drafted by Jpatokal in 2004 and the section was created by Nihonjoe in 2008 . The guideline suggests "Use Google to check popularity if in doubt, and create a redirect from the n version" -- compare the list of Google Books Ngram Viewer results posted by Kusunose .<p>Since 2009, there have been similar notes in the first paragraphs of articles about ], ], ], ] and ] -- compare ]. These spelling notes were each deleted by Hijiri88 with unhelpful edit summaries:
== Saiō ==
* 14:05, 22 August 2013 . . Emperor Temmu ‎ (''WP:SELFREF, WP:POINT.'')
No need to invite me to accept your edits, they are much appreciated! I was introduced to the story of the ] when invited to participate in the 2005 ], and was fortunate enough to receive a private tour of the museum from the curator, Emura-sensei. Meiwa Town has no real industry other than rice, but it is fiercely proud of the fact that it used to be an imperial residence, and the town Historical department has a small number of bi-lingual pamphlets on the subject (I'm currently working on translating another one for them). When I started digging into the story more, which is tied up in the whole ] story, I noticed that, apart from the locally produced pamphlets and the information posted in the museum itself, there seems to be nothing anywhere on the Saiō. If not for this little town's work, it could have been a story that virtually disappeared to time. That's why I've been working to expand this whole area in Misplaced Pages. I created articles on the Saiō, on ], expanded the Ise Shrine article 5-fold, as well as numerous other areas that have branched out from this, including leads that have lead to ] and the establishment of the divine imperial line myth/belief. Talk about opening a can of worms!
* 14:08, 22 August 2013 . . Emperor Kimmei ‎ (''WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.'')
* 14:12, 22 August 2013 . . Emperor Mommu ‎ (''WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.'')
* 14:16, 22 August 2013 . . Empress Gemmei ‎ (''WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.'')
* 14:19, 22 August 2013 . . Emperor Kammu ‎ (''WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.'')
This is moving in the wrong direction. --] (]) 20:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
:A review of the edit histories of these articles and most others about the ] reveals a cross-checking system of cited sources. This includes ]'s 1980 translation of ] and ]'s 1979 translation of ] -- compare ]. See JSTOR reviews of Brown's work and Varley's work . --] (]) 12:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


== Enkyo '''PLEASE''' be coherent and stop making unrelated rants on talk pages ==
But on saying all that, my focus is definitely only from one direction, the ancient view. I have little to no academic knowledge of the ] or later times, so having you come in and add to those is a great help for the article. I've had another user add the list of Saiō, which has also helped (though there are many errors, Saiōs were daughters, nieces or even sisters of the emperor, where the list only lists daughters - I'll fix it soon ). I also have a group of 5 Heian images that depict the Saiō in ]. Any advice that you may have to improve the article, please let me know. I think this is a fascinating aspect of Japanese history that is fairly unknown. As I said, thanks for your help! ] (]) 14:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


] Hello. There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
== Re:Heinrich Hertz ==
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:This is a ] for continuing a pattern which is difficult to parse neatly -- see and . The fact that this is a pretext needs to be made explicit. I can only hope that the mere act of naming it will diminish its power to cause harm. --] (]) 12:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:*See
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::Enkyo, please see my for you to respond in this ANI thread. ] ] 21:38, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


==ANI==
I'm sorry but I cannot help about it. The matter is the definition of the category ethnicity and the category religion, isn't it? It's a too big and too complicated issue for me to think what is most appropriate. In my humble opinion, unlike Kuki Shozo, religion influenced little on his work. I didn't know about how his religion and ethnicity influenced the relation with colleagues and other physicists though. That's what I thought. Regards. ] <small>(])</small> 18:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
A comment that another made about you has been quoted at ]. Do not worry the editor whose conduct is under discussion is not you. You may want to take part in the discussion.--] (]) 10:01, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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::As it happens, I ony stumbled on this curious dispute by accident. Hertz was amongst the recipients of the Japanese ]-(singular) which had been mis-titled as ]-(plural). In the context of correcting that trivial error, I was simply double-checking the links for each of the honorees with Misplaced Pages articles. As I quickly scanned the articles' text and talk pages, I hoped to learn more about the decision-making process of the Japanese Decorations Bureau. This is perhaps more than you wanted to know; but there it is.


] Hello. There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you.
::I approached this article with a mind-set focused on abstracting what I could about an opaque reasoning process, so my perspective was a bit skewed. I was attracted to the array of reasoning processes which were combined in this thread, and I rather expected to encounter more difficulty in breaking through with a structure-based resolution to a dispute which seemed more concerned with whether or not Hertz' ancestry were Jewish. In contacting you and others, I hoped to attract fair-minded allies; or alternately, I was on the look-out for a point-of-view I hadn't yet considered.
:Enkyo, please could I ask that you engage in this discussion at AN/I, rather than suspending editing and waiting until it has been archived? It may be a coincidence that you restarted editing just after the previous thread was archived, bit if so it's an unfortunate one as it gives the appearance of trying to escape scrutiny. Now, if you have resumed editing again could you please join the AN/I discussion? To be honest, I find Hijiri's complaints a little shrill and repetitive, but equally I have to say that I find your communication style opaque and unhelpful. The problem between the two of you is not going to go away if we ignore it. Please join the discussion. ] ] 15:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
::Enkyo, I looked at your contribs to see whether you had again ceased editing while the new ANI thread is open and found . I assume it's your response to the ANI thread but I strongly advise against you posting it in this form. As it stands it entirely vindicates Hijiri's point that your communication is verbose to the point of impenetrability. Post it if you will, but expect that it will make your opponent's point for them rather than strengthening your own position. ] ] 21:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
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::In that regard, I did succeed in a way. Your response was not anticipated; but I do hope you now understand that my thinking was at least thoughtful, if mis-guided. I apologize for any inconvenience ... but I guess you could say that I was just barking up the wrong tree. --] (]) 00:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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I'm not sufficiently familiar with the issue to be of much help. ] 02:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


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My suggestion was simply to cite a source that states that "most scholars" dismiss the first several Emperors. Most of the sources I have seen (''The Japan Encyclopedia'', ''The Story of Japan'', to a lesser extent ''Japan - A Short Cultural History''), while somewhat cynical about the dates and even existence of many of the early Emperors, still adhere to the full canonical list starting with Emperor Jinmu, and so seem to disagree with this statement. ] (]) 00:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


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:] -- Yours is a nuanced point of view, but it encompasses a subtle '']'' fallacy. Given the current status of Misplaced Pages and of ], I admit that the informed points I might otherwise want to make are relatively unimportant. However, in a different context -- in a 1940 context, for example -- with much more at stake, the "conservative" point-of-view you would seem to espouse becomes significant, meaningful, worrisome. If you have an interest in the issues have become inextricably linked with any discussion about the legendary founding of the Japanese Imperial dynasty in ], I's suggest you consider the following:
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:By all means, if you would prefer to substitute a different in-line citation for the one I have added, or if you would like to augment this section with other in-line citations, I'm happy to encourage you. In due course, perhaps we'll figure out a way to work together to move beyond a plausibly trivial dispute which can only remain unresolved for the time being.
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== Correia da Serra ==
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Hello Ooperhoofd! First of all let me tell what a delight it is to see someone with such care and attention to original sources as you! Regarding your questions about Correia da Serra, there is no doubt whatsoever that, in the modern European Portuguese spelling (I believe since 1911), his name should be writen '''Correia'''. Notice, as in the document you , that he did not write his name as '''Correa''', but as '''Corr<u>ê</u>a''', with an '''^''' over the "e" (he also didn't wrote José, but Joseph, also an archaic Portuguese spelling). This is a huge difference in Portuguese. It implies, and always implied, that his surname was not the Spanish one, and that one should read it as '''Corre<u>i</u>a'''. The archaic spelling is still common in Brazil. Thus, and also given the fact that in French and in English Correia is generally rendered and read as Correa, his name started to be writen internationally as such, but never in Portuguese, where it is almost everytime writen Correia and only as Corrêa if someone intencionally wants to render the archaic spelling. Also, his name was not José Correia '''d<u>e</u>''' Serra, but José Correia '''d<u>a</u>''' Serra, I'm moving the article once again... Life is an unending struggle! Cheers. ] (]) 19:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


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Links to initials are not wrong in general however certain ones such as ] link to pages which list multiple possible meanings rather than discussing a particular one. This type of page is discussed in detail at ]. As general rule they should be linked to directly as they are used to help with searches. When I find these I try to change them to point to the specific article that applies assuming to context allows this to be determined. Your not only to do this most people don't think about this aspect of initials. I'll happy to check for any further such links on ]. ] <sup>(] <small>•</small> ])</sup> 04:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


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== Go-Momozono vs. Momozono, the second vs. Momozono II ==
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I changed "Momozono, the second" because I remember a book that I used where the Go-emperors were listed with Roman numerals, thus "Momozono II". If there are books that refer to him as "Momozono, the second", then we can obviously leave both versions, I don't mind. The wording could be something like "Older books refer to him either as "Momozono, the second" or "Momozono II"." or something along those lines. sincerely ] 23:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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:Aha! Yes, of course. Yours is the obvious solution. Wny didn't I see it? Thanks. I'll make changes later today and tomorrow. Good working with you. --] (]) 23:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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== Categories for kashindan? ==
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Ooperhoofd- I'm mulling over instituting a new sort of category set, and I was wondering what you'd think of it. As you've probably noticed, there are many articles for retainers of major Japanese clans here. Just by way of example, ] list is interesting...so I was wondering, why not create categories for groups of retainers? For instance, tagging all the men on that list as "Category:Tokugawa retainers." Now mind you, there's an important distinction to be made, because after the establishment of the bakufu in 1603, "Tokugawa retainer" means hatamoto/gokenin at the lower levels, and ] daimyo at the higher levels, so it'd be tricky...or perhaps if they're fudai daimyo, to start a "Category:Fudai daimyo" or something to that effect. With regards to the majority of Edo period retainers, perhaps tagging them as "Category:thus-and-such-han retainers" would be wise...tagging articles for men like ], ] and the like as "Category:Aizu retainers," tagging ], ] et.al. as "Category:Kagoshima retainers," and so on.
I suppose, to make a long story short, that it would go a long way to show more of the background such men came from...say, as far as the Satsuma men go, "Category:People from Kagoshima Prefecture" puts them with everyone post-1868, and while it's certainly not ''false'' (as they were born within the boundaries of what became Kagoshima Prefecture), these men were born into a different sociopolitical landscape, and it'd be nice to have some kind of category to indicate both their origin and the context of the original sociopolitical framework they fit into. At any rate, thanks for listening. Who knows where this will lead? -] (]) 21:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


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:And, if I were you, I'd dare go a step further in the effort to create this win-win environment. I would specifically set out to identify how to go about dismantling any categorizing structure which does develop. As an intellectual exercise, why not assume the negative? As an exercise, why not construe this effort as doomed to failure ''a priori.'' In that context, you would probably want to clean up the "mess" your work will have created.
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::Obviously, <u>I do '''not''' think this project is futile</u> nor doomed -- no ... not at all. Rather, I'm thinking that the perspective you gain by attending to the practical steps which would be necessary to remove your work will somehow help the structure to appear more vividly in your mind's eye. I'm speculating that this would likely help you to develop a more fully-modulated, multi-perspective viewpoint.
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:I must tell you that, it seems to me, your approach here is scholarly. At a very modest level, you're hoping to introduce a very small parsing change in a complex system, and you want to pay attention to the ramifications of that small categorizing change. You're asking real questions, with real consequences, and you're prepared to put some real work into the effort. I'm persuaded that tenured university professors spend too much time despairing because of those graduate students who never seem to grasp the attraction of the not-quite obvious as you have done. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone other than me were to tell you that this is exactly in tune with the contemporary thrust of Japanese historiography.
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:Good work -- yes. Whether you persist with this nor not, the fact of the matter is that <u>original thinking isn't an everyday commodity</u>. Thanks for brightening my afternoon with this interesting new idea. I'm turning it all over in my mind even as I'm tearing myself away from the computer so that I can head out for a dinner engagement ....
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::Ooperhoofd-- now Tenmei-- first of all, congratulations on the name change. Secondly, thank you for the feedback. I will need some time to mull this over myself, but I thought that if there was anyone I ought to share these thoughts with, it should be you. I can't help but wonder where this idea will go...but then again, that's the whole beauty of Misplaced Pages as an entity.
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::That's good for those categories; I suppose the other top-level category to institute might be Category: Tozama daimyo (as the category is indeed called on the Japanese Misplaced Pages). As for the ], perhaps Category:Tokugawa clan is good enough, but as that category includes non-daimyo like the heads of the ] as well as women, perhaps a Category:Shinpan daimyo would be good? As far as domains go, perhaps an overarching Category:Feudal Japanese retainers (or something to that effect), and underneath, sub-categories listed by names of the han in question. I'm specifically thinking of domains like Satsuma, Chōshū, Tosa, Hizen, Aizu, and the like, which have many retainers (especially late Edo-era ones) listed, and as I said above, it would be nice to have the men in a category that groups them with other men of similar origin.


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::Well, at any rate, all things to carefully think about. I'm in no rush. Again, thanks, and I'll be in touch with you again sometime soon. -] (]) 06:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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: This is speaking from personal preference and not so much ], although I think that may apply to some degree as well. I think the need to give something context in relation to other things, such as a harbor, is more suited to Wikitravel than to an encyclopedia. I think most readers would want to know about Subject X rather than Subject X's position in relation to Subject Y. I think it would be different if the relationship mattered, but I don't think the church or opera house's proximity to the harbor is relevant to the understanding of either item. Where I think it would matter, for example, is when the two are intricately tied, for example something in OsakaJo Koen in relation to the castle, or New York's Central Park's location within Manhattan. Does that make sense? Like I said, this is more personal preference but also looking at the guidelines which say: ''Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article.'' I don't normally deal in images as a rule, like you I'm up to my eyeballs in other projects as well as grad work, but I dabble. Again I appreciate your input and discussion. You've explained well why you think they should be there and while I don't necessarily agree, I wouldn't remove them because you've made a good case. <small>'''TRAVELLINGCARI'''</small>'''<sup>]</sup>'''<sub>]</sub> 20:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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::: Hope I didn't break your brain :) I'll be thinking on it as well, maybe we'll end up revisiting this <small>'''TRAVELLINGCARI'''</small>'''<sup>]</sup>'''<sub>]</sub> 20:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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:As an artwork, yes, of course it is a better composition. I especially like the reflection of the top of the central structure in the water. However, my preference remains with the one you've already posted because it presents the formidable walls and the expansive moat. I have the impression that the main reason that ] fell to Tokugawa forces was because the moat was filled in; and in that context, the image already posted does illustrate that aspect of Osaka's history.


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:On the other hand, maybe my thinking is a bit too literal here. Maybe the evocative qualities of this new image will be more effective as the general reader learns from the article. Why don't you post this new one, while temporarily removing the other two which show the moat ... and let's see what feedback this edit engenders?
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:::Explaining that photo in the "Moat and outer walls" section: The reasons for moving what we both see as the superior image to the gallery may seem a little backwards; but to my eye, the high quality of the other photographs made this choice seem better in that grouping context. The crispness of the photography is a little less stark in the one which remains above. In this placement, the image serves well enough to illustrate the width of the moat. In my view, the obvious redundancy seems more of a "plus" than a "minus" ...? What do you think?
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==Treaties on Kashmir ==


Various scholars have written on the Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir), The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846). But very little of that text is on wikipedia.
== extra eyes ==
I am currently living in Shikoku, and have some French and Japanese. I noticed you've done some editing on Shikoku-related articles. I'm trying to learn more, myself. I have some French and Japanese, some Spanish, less German; I have done some editing of Wikis before, and added a few pages here (mostly on pre-midaeval Europe and Middle-Eastern poets)... If there's anything you would like an extra pair of eyes for, I would be happy to assist.
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Maharaja gulab Singh originally worked for the Sikh Empire. But then betrayed the Sikh empire by siding with the East India Company in the Anglo-Sikh War. His name is mentioned in the treaty of Lahore too. He collected Taxes for the East India Company and the money was then given by him to the East India Company.


The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846) lapsed under Article 7 of the . The Act was passed by the British Parliament on July 18, 1947 to assent to the creation of the independent states of India and Pakistan. The aforementioned Article 7 provides that, with the lapse of His Majesty’s suzerainty over the Indian states, all treaties, agreements, obligations, grants, usages and sufferance’s will lapse.
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The 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur (Sikh) was under the control of the East India company when he sign The Treaty of Lahore on 9 March 1846 which gave Jammu and Kashmir and its people to the East India Company.
:Yes, of course. Trivia is disfavored, and while I understand and agree with this Misplaced Pages policy in other settings, I'm not quite prepared to jettison the list you've edited out. My reservations about my own rationale remain unaddressed as yet. When I attempt to articulate why not -- why not remove a mere trivia list -- I don't assess my own arguments as compelling. In such circumstances, I just have to wait for my thinking to mature -- or not. The main point I'm trying to clarify is that you were <u>not wrong</u>. Rather, I guess I'm thinking that a non-standard criteria-array needs to be applied in this unique setting.


Under the British legal system and international law a treaty signed by the 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur and under duress is not valid. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.)
:Tentatively, words like "art" and "icon" seem relevant in terms of trying to explain why this article represents a unique exception to a general rule. I'm also persuaded that Frank Lloyd Wright would have considered each item on this bullet-listing as an accolade .... Enough for now. We'll see what happens next. Obviously, I'm not the only one with this museum/building on a watchlist; and I'm hoping that someone else will render the issues moot while my indecision plays itself out. There is nothing urgent here. The full list is retained in archived history; and it can be reintroduced. Sometimes it's best to let others take the lead, and this may be one of those instances. --] (]) 15:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


We may need to add a section on the impact on the removal of Article 370 of the Indian constitution on The Instrument of Accession too.
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None of this text is on there.
Saw your note: thanks. It's a good idea, I will do something about it soon.
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Various scholars have written on these treaties, for example Alistair Lamb disputed the validity of the Instrument of Accession in his paper
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Thankyou for your interest on this article, your input is appreciated. Please be careful however not to disrupt the text layout too much. This is a Featured Article and as a result it complies with ]. This means that the article should not contain any very short paragraphs such as you created in the Early Life and Post-War sections. I have changed these back to their previous configurations. The addition of the blue ensign is nice, but positioning it on the left of the page disrupts the text beneath it and so I have moved it back to the right. Finally, you have added "The Pacific fleet of the Canadian Pacific Railroad tended to hire its officers from the Royal Naval Reserves, and much was made of their long and faithful service to the company." to the article, but this does not add anything to the article because a) Stuart never served in the '''Pacific''' Fleet of the ], he served in their '''Atlantic''' Fleet and b) he was not recruited by the ], but instead joined a different company, ], which was taken over by the ] sometime later. Thus he was never recruited by Canadian Pacific and their recruitment policies have no bearing on his career. I have therefore also removed this text from the article. Again, thank you for your interest and if you have any comments or suggestions please add them to the article or let me know. Regards--] (]) 14:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:I appreciate your feedback -- nice, very nice. This perhaps gives me an opportunity to pursue a few things a bit further ....
:* In terms of format, I always feel a bit unsure. My reason for moving the Blue Ensign to the left was motivated in part by an attempt to create a format link amongst the evolving series of articles about prominent Canadian Pacific captains, including ], ], and Stuart. Your comments cause me to re-think that strategy. Would you qive a quick look at these other CP articles? Would you advise me to move the Ensign to the right?
:* And your comments cause me to ask you help me re-consider a couple of niggling points. In a context established by ] in June 1927, your comments above make clear to me that I'd assumed without verification that Stuart joined the ''Empress'' in the Pacific prior to it's repositioning and re-fitting in 1926-1927 -- in short, I had perhaps misunderstood that Stuart was promoted to the rank of staff captain in the Pacific. There is no question that the majority of his career was spent in the Atlantic; but I did think that the sentence you've deleted was technically accurate. Only now do I recognize that I'd made an under-supported presumption. Plausibly, the promotion to staff captain may well have occurred post-refitting -- after the ''Empress'' had been modified for the colder climate affecting North Atlantic voyages. This causes me to wonder anew: Why do you say that Stuart never served in the Pacific? Is this one of those trivial points for which you do have a reference source? If so, I'd like to suggest that you add just one more in-line citation to this text.
:* In the same vein, it happens that CP's acquisition of the Allen Line in 1910 was kept deliberately fuzzy by ] and ] so that the contracted Royal Mail subsidies for both steamship lines could continue to be collected; but there is no question that ] was a wholly-owned CPR subsidiary after 1910. In short, Neil himself would not have disputed that he worked for CPR's steamship arm before and after the Great War. I make this point because of the subtle difference between the meanings of "recruit" as a noun and as a verb. As I understand it, the verb recruit would have applied equally well to anyone added to the list of CP ships' captains -- whether promoted from within or attracted from outside the company. The point I was trying to make <u>is</u> relevant -- that the special qualities which distinguished Stuart were unique, of course; but like special cachet associated with "Commander ], RNR," there was a cachet in the company of peers Stuart joined when he was promoted to the CP captains list. Unfortunately, my well-meaning intention becomes irrelevant without a further source which explains that the conventions of the CP Pacific Fleet were replicated amongst the core officers of the Atlantic fleet.


Where he writes ''"While the date, and perhaps even the fact, of the accession to India of the State of Jammu & Kashmir in late October 1947 can be questioned, there is no dispute at that time any such accession was presented to the world at large as conditional and provisional. It was not communicated to Pakistan at the outset of the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu & Kashmir, nor was it presented in facsimile to the United Nations in early 1948 as part of the initial Indian reference to the Security Council. The 1948 White Paper in which the Government of India set out its formal case in respect to the State of Jammu & Kashmir, does not contain the Instrument of Accession as claimed to have been signed by the Maharajah: instead, it reproduces an unsigned form of Accession such as, it is implied, the Maharajah might have signed. To date no satisfactory original of this Instrument as signed by the Maharajah has been produced: though a highly suspect version, complete with the false date 26 October 1947, has been circulated by the Indian side since the 1960s. On the present evidence it is by no means clear that the Maharaja ever did sign an Instrument of Accession.''
:In other words, your edit wasn't off-point, but your explanation for why I was wrong didn't go far enough. I only realized my broader error when I read your note.


''Indian troops actually began overtly to intervene in the State’s affairs on the morning of 27 October 1947''
:So, my bottom-line inquiry becomes this: Can you identify another source -- something other than Tate's ''Transpacific Steam: The Story of Steam Navigation from the Pacific Coast of North America to the Far East and the Antipodes, 1867-1941'' -- which describes a CP policy of filling the captains list with RNR men? If you have no answer today, fine. What I'm hoping is that you'll keep this in the back of your mind so that you'll be ready to follow through whenever you do stumble across something in 2009? 2010? 2011? etc. Do you see my point? --] (]) 16:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


''It is now absolutely clear that the two documents (a) the Instrument of Accession, and (c) the letter to Lord Mountbatten, could not possibly have been signed by the Maharajah of Jammu & Kashmir on 26 October 1947. The earliest possible time and date for their signature would have to be the afternoon of 27 October 1947. During 26 October 1947 the Maharajah of Jammu & Kashmir was travelling by road from Srinagar to Jammu. (The Kashmir State Army divisions and the Kashmiri people had already turned on him and he was on the run and had no authority in the state). His new Prime Minister, M.C. Mahajan, who was negotiating with the Government of India, and the senior Indian official concerned in State matters, V.P. Menon, were still in New Delhi where they remained overnight, and where their presence was noted by many observers. There was no communication of any sort between New Delhi and the travelling Maharajah. Menon and Mahajan set out by air from New Delhi to Jammu at about 10.00 a.m. on 27 October; and the Maharajah learned from them for the first time the result of his Prime Minister’s negotiations in New Delhi in the early afternoon of that day. The key point, of course, as has already been noted above, is that it is now obvious that these documents could only have been signed after the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu & Kashmir on 27 October 1947. When the Indian troops arrived at Srinagar air field, that State was still independent. Any agreements favourable to India signed after such intervention cannot escape the charge of having been produced under duress. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.)"''
:::I do see your point and I appreciate the level of detail into which you have gone on this. Just to clarify, I was not disputing that CP deliberately recruited RNR officers to their fleet, this sounds eminently plausible and I am sure it is accurate. Neither was I questioning the reliability of your source which I am sure is acceptable. My problem was initially with the information's placement, which I felt disrupted the narrative flow of the article. On a closer reading however I realised that the information as written did not seem to relate to Stuart. To break down my objection, Whilst I think it unlikely that CP differentiated in their recruitment policy between Atlantic and Pacific fleets, Stuart's service was predominantly on Atlantic vessels and thus it does not seem likely that he was recruited specifically into their Pacific Fleet. I admit, I interpreted the term "recruit" differently to you and this too formed part of my objection. I will experiment with reinserting the information in a way that I feel flows better with the text, take a look and see what you think. Regarding the flag, my problem was by no means with its presence in the article or even its appeareance on the left. It was simply where it was situated in the article that I found disrupted the text (mainly due to the USS Cassin image just above it). I will move it to the left slightly lower down and see if this has a positive effect. Give me a little while to make these changes (I have to go offline for a minute) and then let me know what you think. Many thanks for your input.


Additionally Maharaja was on the run. The prevailing international practice on the recognition of state governments is based on the following three factors: first, the government’s actual control of the territory; second, the government’s enjoyment of the support and obedience of the majority of the population; third, the government’s ability to stake the claim that it has a reasonable expectation of staying in power. The situation on the ground demonstrates that the Maharaja was not in control of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and was fleeing for his life and almost all of Kashmir was under the control of the Kashmiri people and the Kashmiri Army that had rebelled against him. His own troops had turned on him. With regard to the Maharaja’s control over the local population, it is clear that he enjoyed no such control or support. The people of Kashmir had been sold by the East India Company and he charged them high taxes thetefore the Kashmir Muslims, Hindus Pandits and Buddhists hated him. Furthermore, the state’s armed forces were in total disarray after most of the men turned against him and he was running for his life. Finally, it is highly doubtful that the Maharaja could claim that his government had a reasonable chance of staying in power without Indian military intervention. This assumption is substantiated by the Maharaja’s letters.
:::: ] -- No, no. You've no cause to re-edit. Let me re-state: What interested me was the extent to which my serial mistakes here were a little bit more complicated than what you'd identified. I really only sought to engage your attention in a minor point which may come to have relevance in the future, not today. I was merely sharing my thoughts, not expressing an objection nor anything remotely intended as critical of anything except my own work. The article on ] is just fine the way it is. It's excellent, in fact .... No question about it. --] (]) 17:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well thankyou very much, I appreciate that. Actually, although there were some stylistic problems with your edits I thought the information you raised was interesting and that article has definately benefitted from you attention. If you have anything else to add let me know and I'll help integrate it into the article effectively. Nice to meet you.--] (]) 17:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


Many of these treaties apply to Jammu and Kashmir. The is already on Misplaced Pages. It is internationally recognized as a disputed territory under various United United Nations resolutions that are already listed on Misplaced Pages , ,, . There is a lot of documentation on Jammu and Kashmir in the UN already. If you look at the page , it already contains sections on the "Indian view", "Pakistani view", "Chinese view", "Kashmiri views". May be we could do something like that with these treaty pages. The Treaty of Lahore was signed in 9 March 1846 and the Treaty of Amritsar 16 March 1846. They predate the creation of both modern day India and Pakistan. The Treaty of Lahore was signed between the Sikh Empire and the British government. It is an international treaty and comes under international law. ] (]) 11:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)




::Currently the pages on Jammu and Kashmir are very fragmented. Its difficult to navigate through the pages. May be have a page on the treaties that apply to Jammu and Kashmir and link these to actual history events. The reader could then click on a link, obtain a more indepth knowledge of the treaty, its relationship with other treaties and the events surrounding it. Therefore providing them with a more educational understanding of these treaties. There is a lot of literature on these treaties, that we could use for references. There are also multiple parties to these treaties and we could link to them too. Many books and scholarly papers have been published illustrating the details surrounding these treaties. May be also create subsections on these pages illustrating the views of the Government of India, The view of the Government of Pakistan and the view of the Kashmiri Parties, The Government of China, The United Nations, The Sikh Empire and the British Government on these treaties. On Misplaced Pages we have the text on the various treaties but it does not show how these treaties relate to one another. We need show how they relate to one another and the events on the ground. We need to enhance the experience of the reader. ] (]) 14:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Hi Tenmei, yes, that's it exactly! You can learn more about dablinks at ]. Lots of acronyms and initialisms shew up as blue links, but link to disambiguation pages. Fixing them is one of my little hobbies on Misplaced Pages :) Best, ] (]) 15:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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::Yes, thanks. I've made the change you've suggested. It may take me a while to get used to it, but I can see how this will help avoid dablink mistakes. I appreciate your follow-up. --] (]) 15:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC) Note that any non-free images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described in ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Di-orphaned fair use-notice --> --] (]) 02:15, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
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I wonder if you might be persuaded to modify your work to create a "new" flag which is configured in this non-standard manner? Off hand, I can think of a number of articles in which posting your "new" flag would be a plausible enhancement.
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I've located a relevant photograph in the National Archives. The Perry flag is clearly visible in the background of a photograph showing the Supreme Allied Commander speaking at the ceremonial signing of the instrument of surrender. --] (]) 18:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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== Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū ==
Hi, Tenmei. Some days ago we were talking about that includes two excellent and high resolution prints of the ''jungu-ji'' in Edo times, plus some photos of the demolished temples within the compound taken by one of the Beato (it's unclear which). You might find them interesting too. Take care. --] (]) 04:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


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Tenmei, in response to your comment, I too would like to keep a source like that but Buskahegian added the same citation to ], ], ], and ], all without adding any other information to the pages. Since the publication is fairly recent and those other pages only mentioned Japan in passing (no earthquakes mentioned), this seemed like a promotion. I did explain this in the edit summary. Whether the contributor is directly associated with the author is beyond me. I hope that Buskahegian will return to the pages with additional information and then read the citation. He did however add a citation to ] when he added the reference. Granted, he provided no new information to the page, but he at least made some sort of in-article notation of why the source is included. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and let the chage stay. I won't revert your revert, but take into consideration my reasoning. ] (]) 17:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
:] -- Your broader viewpoint explains very clearly what was happening here. I'm glad that I took the time to comment, because your feedback helps me understand what you were doing and why.


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:Maybe we can agree on one thing: This is one of those times when I've learned something worthwhile because of mistaken assumptions. I tried to add what seemed to have been as simple as 2+2 ..., but I was tripped up because my focus was too narrow. Sometimes we all find ourselves learning things the hard way. It happens to me all the time. The more interesting example of "flawed reasoning" in this case was my own. --] (]) 18:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


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:]-- I'm having a little bit of difficulty in pulling my thoughts together, but I didn't want to delay any longer in simply responding very briefly. Yes -- in general -- I do think the infoboxes are a very good idea for this specific 30+ set of articles; but until more of the logos are uploaded to commons, I'd tend to think that it made more sense to position a series of tired, dull "family photo" images in that prominent position -- not that these group pictures are better, but rather that the 30+ group photos from the serial summits are probably easier to deal with as a first step towards populating the array will relevant images ...? More tomorrow or the next day. --] (]) 20:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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The short explanation is ], section 1.2 Setting a Ref so it can be used more than once. If a ref tag is named more than once <nowiki> <ref name = "SourceName"> Source</ref> followed by <ref name = "SourceName"> Source </ref> or <ref name = "SourceName"> See Above </ref> only the first instance will be used by the reflist. All others are ignored. As is your structure is not a problem, however if a user reorders the paragrahs such that <ref name = "SourceName"> See Above </ref> is the first instance then only the text 'See Above' will apear in the reflist and thats not very discriptive of the source. The best soultion is to use <ref name = "SourceName"/> (note the /) for all subsequent refrences. The long version <ref name = "SourceName"> Source</ref> need only appear once in the article (usually the first instance, but it doesn't really matter). This solution also makes the wiki-text shorter and more readable if the ref contains a long cite tag. As far as re-editing is concerned, don;t worry I'm on the case. </nowiki> --] (]) 18:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks. I'd seen this formatting style in others' work; but I simply didn't put 2+2 together by asking a quick question. --] (]) 18:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
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*e. Meritorious Service Decorations -- decorations, details of which are contained in 18-12, Meritorious Service Decorations, to recognize the performance of a military deed or military activity in an outstandingly professional manner of such a rare, high standard that it brings considerable benefit to or reflects great credit on the Canadian Forces (CF).
*f. Mentions in Dispatches -- awards, details of which are contained in 18-27, Mention in Dispatches, to recognize a mention in dispatches from a senior commander for brave or meritorious service, normally in the field.
*g. Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) Commendation -- a CF commendation, details of which are contained in 18-17, Chief of the Defence Staff Commendation, to recognize a deed or activity above and beyond the demands of normal duty.
*h. The CF Medallion for Distinguished Service -- an award from the CF, details of which are contained in 18-25, Canadian Forces Medallion for Distinguished Service, that recognizes service rendered to or in conjunction with the CF by an individual who is not an active member of the CF and that exceeds the expectations of the person's responsibilities.

::Thanks for clearing up those unanswered questions. This subject was something I wondered about, but I didn't have an opportunity to ask someone who might know more -- or, more correctly, I didn't look very hard. So, in appreciation, I'm posting the Canadian FIN CS link to the appropriate pages, beginning with ]. In future, I'll know where to look in Misplaced Pages. FYI -- The striken text above is just to help me keep track of what I'm doing.--] (]) 18:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
:::* ]?
:::* ]?



== You may wish to know ==

Since you are a member of ], you may wish to know about ]. --I'm an ''''']]]]'''''<sup>]]</sup> 18:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Glasperlenspiel: Huh? --I'm an ''''']]]]'''''<sup>]]</sup> 20:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

: I had not previously encountered , and when I scanned your user page, my first-blush response was ''Glsperlenspiel'' -- aha. I hadn't construed the Misplaced Pages projects in that manner, and the focus of your attention came as a delightful surprise.

:Just now I interpret "Huh?" to mean a question -- as in why did you leave a message on my talk page?
:Please, think no more about it. It was only a whim. The allusion was complimentary, but too obscure. This does happen from time to time -- too often, but there you have it. -- ] (]) 20:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)







== Ribbons ==

I see you are interested in ribbons and medals. You may be interested in the discussion currently in progress at ]. Cheers, ] (]) 12:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== WP:CIVIL ==

I'm merely putting the idea out there - I now intend to sit back and let people see if they like the idea, without edit-warring to keep it in. I do not want to ignore consensus, merely test it. ] (]) 00:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)





== Vaucluse? ==
]
I'm not far from ], about 250m along and 50m on the left from the point in the picture--] (]) ♠<font color="#BB0000">♥</font><font color="#BB0000">♦</font>♣ 05:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:Why do you ask?--] (]) ♠<font color="#BB0000">♥</font><font color="#BB0000">♦</font>♣ 10:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

==J. R. Wasson==
Thanks for your comments and improvement of the ] article. It's obviously a notable military concept and consdiering how many articles refer to it, it surprises me that there wasn't an article sooner. ] (]) 22:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)



== :Image:DeGuignes_Pekin_livres.jpg ==

Copied message from the copyright talk page to make sure you see it:

Wait, wait, wait... These books are old, but someone took the photograph. The photo in this case is of several three dimensional objects, so such a photo would include new artistic decisions on placement, angle and lighting... is this photo taken by the uploader? If so, he owns the copyright and can release it through GNU or whatever. If the photo is by someone else, that person owns the copyright. ] (]) 17:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:You asked me on my talk page how to delete this... The fastest way, I think, would be to add the speedy delete template:
:<nowiki>{{del|Nominated for deletion by the uploader - copyright on photograph owned by someone else}}</nowiki>
:or however you want to phrase that. Normally there's a deletion process that can take a while, but if the uploader him- or herself tags it an admin will usually just yank it. ] (]) 14:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)









== Please read my comments ==

Please read my comments, there is a change Caspian blue will remove them. . Thank you. --] (]) 18:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== could you help with ]? ==

hi there, do you think you could help improve this article with content ]? thank you. ] 17:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

==Best Wishes==
I hope that your mentorship arrangement works out well. I think you have a lot to contribute to Misplaced Pages, if you can learn how to work with other editors a bit better. You should always ] and keep your temper. I tend to propose a lot of articles for deletion and participate in AFD discussions; sometimes other editors become very angry with me. I try not to get angry myself - it serves no point, it would merely hurt the cause that I am advocating for. If another editor gets out of line, usually an admin will warn them or block them. Best of luck! ] (]) 19:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

==Minamoto no Sanetomo's murderer ==
Hi, Tenmei. I have read ]'s article and saw that you changed Sanetomo's murderer's name from Kugyō to Kokio. Are you sure Murray is right? Every single source I consulted, in Japanese and English, gives the name as Kugyō, and not Kokio, and that's what I used in the ]'s article. The date of the event also does not correspond to the one I found in other sources. which again agree. I am not a specialist when it comes to dating Japanese historical events, and know it's tricky business, so I don't want to press this last point to hard, but I think we should solve these glaring inconsistencies one way or the other between the two articles.
] (]) 11:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

: --''See'' response at ]. --] (]) 19:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I have read the current version of the article and I would say the problems have been solved. For the time being. Better no info that having info that may be wrong. As I mentioned in my comments, there are also conflicts regarding HOW he was killed, with an arrow or with a sword. Arrows sound for practical reasons more likely, but one never knows. The best way would be to read the ], but I can't read it. It's too difficult for me. Thanks and bye.
] (]) 08:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

== Order of Ouissam Alaouite ==
I'm not going to lie to you I typed the name Order of Ouissam Alaouite on yahoo and went to 3ed site: http://www.emering.com/medals/french/morocco.html. Also latter I found that the ] also has a like to his own web page showing the Order of Ouissam Alaouite, in the picture you can see the medal's ribbon. Since I have never seen a ribbon that doesn't match the ribbon on the medal, I assume that how it would look? --] (]) 19:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:Your research method shows initiative and logical thinking -- using the known data set to infer that which is not otherwise specified. I should have done the same thing myself; and frankly, I can't imagine why I didn't?
:Now that I think about it, the fact is that I thought that the subject was too esoteric for Google. Thanks very much for your response. Not only did you provide a constructive suggestion, you caused me to stop and think ... and to laugh a bit at an unanticipated, self-imposed barrier which shouldn't have been perceived an obstacle. --] (]) 19:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)




== Nisei ==

Dooitashimashite! I see you've put a lot of effort into the "-sei" pages; keep up the good work! —] (]) 02:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks, Tenmei, for the MOFA citation on the Mexican immigrants. ] (]) 10:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


== More about dates ==
Hi, Tenmei, and thanks for the feedback. I have a couple of things I would like to discuss with you, because I know you are interested in dating issues, and know a lot about them. You probably know already all I will say, but I am sure you won't mind reading it anyway.

I have been translating the text of 83 steles erected all over Kamakura in historical places (see for the original Japanese) for a future article and had noticed that event dates tended to change with the source, but couldn't figure out why. Now I think that at the root of the problem is the fact that in modern Japanese Gregorian dates and traditional Japanese dates months and days have the same name even though they do NOT mean the same thing. For example, in 元弘三年五月二十一日 easily becomes 1333年5月21日 but, alas, as you know very well the first 五 二十一日 and the second are not equivalent. So now you have a hybrid date with a Gregorian year and a lunar day and month. And the error is impossible to detect unless you check the Nengō with NengoCalc. When you translate the thing into English, then, all trace of the confusion disappears and you are left with a date that is completely wrong. I find it interesting that 91 years ago in 1917, when the stele was erected, this error was already that common to appear in a monument (and in at least several of the steles too). In any case, this is why I said in the forum that I believe we should always use the original Nengō to compute the Gregorian date.
So this explains part of our parked note.

<blockquote>
There is a scholarly discrepancy in the specific date of the assassination -- on the 26th day of the 1st month of the 1st year of ] (Tuesday, ], ]) according to Titsingh, Murray, Brinkley, Frank. (1915). Ponsonby-Fane, Richard. (1962). Alternately, Sanetomo's death is recorded as January 27, 1219 according to Mass, Jeffrey P. (1995). Kamiya, Michinori (2008). ''Fukaku Aruku - Kamakura Shiseki Sansaku.'' Vol. 1, pp. 17-23; Mutsu, Iso (2006). p. 103. Japanese Misplaced Pages identifies as February 13, 1219.

</blockquote>
Part, because we are still left with another discrepancy. Why should there be a 24-hour difference between two dates (Feb. 12 and 13)? Have you got any idea? I believe it's not a simple mistake. I think it's systematic, because I found it already several times in different places. Could it be that some include the day in which an era change and some don't? I would like to figure this out, even though, after my decision to recompute on my own all dates, it's no longer all that important.

Also, do you know if there's a template dealing with Japanese Nengō? Thanks.

] (]) 04:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)



== Oppose ==

Replied at the RfA. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 11:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== Question followup ==

I am confused - the question is indeed based upon a hypothetical situation. What are you asking the candidates for? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 16:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for your support and your voice in the discussion of ]! --] (]) 06:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Re: NIMS in wider context==
Dear Tenmei, your message is deep, and I will first reply superficially and then will start thinking about it (yes,

most people do reverse).

Regarding the importance of the List of Independent Administrative Institutions (Japan) and List of National Laboratories

(Japan), most of the listed organizations are certainly important domestically and many internationally. Many of them have japanese wiki pages, but no english pages simply because of lack of english writers, attention or time. Misplaced Pages still needs to establish itself as important source of information, and I hope we can help this.

Regarding terminology, one must understand that the English proficiency in Japan is still low, that many people use web-robots or word-by-word lookup for translations, and that the Japanese language is often difficult to translate into English adequately. Thus many unusual terms are simply blunders, once given by officials and then hard to change. "National laboratory" and "National institute" both refer to significant organizations (here "laboratory" is by no means a couple of rooms). I can't tell you right away why this title difference (I can ask if you need), but I guess it originates from subtleties in correponding japanese titles - in Japan, orgnizations are thorougly distinguished by, e.g., their source of financing (which ministry group, etc.).

Finally, I absolutely agree that quality of NIMS (and many other) wikipedia articles must be improved. I appreciate your encouragement, and especially look forward to more specific suggestions. At the moment, my editing of wikipedia is rather sporadic, in a way of patching any holes I encounter by chance. Best regards. ] (]) 07:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: ] ==

If you would like the source code of the page, I can send it to you for working on. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 15:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:Afd are typically only left open for five days; the time period of that AfD had expired, ergo why I closed. What I mean by source code is that if you want to draft a reformed article in userspace, I can copy the information from the deleted article and give it to you. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 16:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::I've copied over the source to ]. Distributing the page history isn't feasible as there's no way to do that without restoring the article. As to your questions:
*It's recommended, but not required.
*As long as you aren't canvassing, you are allowed to notify wikiprojects/related contribtors
*If you have such concerns, bring it up at ]. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 17:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:Looking at the page histories I suggest contacting ] and ], as well as ] and ]. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 18:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you for your follow-up. --] (]) 18:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: ] ==
The two categories you included are not actual categories (they were red instead of blue to indicate this). You had "American feminist", which should be either of two existing categories: "American feminist writers" or "American feminists". "Cornell alumni" is also not a category and should instead be "Cornell University alumni". This distinguishes from alumni of Cornell College, an entirely different institution. I hope that helps answer your question. ] (]) 04:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== September Newsletter ==

The ] of the ] newsletter has been posted! Be sure to check it out! &mdash; ]] 14:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: RfA Support/Oppose? ==

I've ] to the RfA in light of your comment. Essentially, like I've outlined there, I was foolish and I apologise. While the sarcastic use of "oppose" in the support section was intended to make a point, it made me seem entirely dismissive of the opposition arguments, which was not my intention. Many thanks for the heads-up. <font color="#FF0000">]</font> <font size="1">(])</font> 20:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::And speaking of the RfA in question (mine own!) --Tenmei, I TOTALLY failed to see your followup q to 11 til seriously JUST NOW. (At work, even. Jeez.) So I apologize for the extreme delay, for one thing--and for another, I plan to draft an answer tonight as soon as the groceries are put away. Because frankly? That's a heck of a good question. :) ] 21:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==
One of the advantages of not having many supporters at your RFA is that there are fewer people to thank at the end. Thanks for your support and your willingness to look at my complete record. I'm going to try to interpret this resounding defeat as a statement that I should choose my words more carefully in the future, and remember that every statement I make gets recorded forever, just waiting to get carefully transcribed onto my next RFA. I would go insane if I believed that it was repudiation of what I truly meant: that no editor should consciously and willfully ignore guidelines and policies, and editors that repeatedly do so should not be rewarded for or supported in doing so.

I'm sure I'll get back to full speed editing soon, because, after all, , ].&mdash;](]) 05:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Preferred ==

Regarding the ] infobox:

# Automatic formatting is better because I don't see a reason to force onto two lines what might easily fit onto one. If any formatting needs applied there to handle the wrapping, it should be a nowrap-type of tag.
# It's arguable that yes, USA could be removed from the infobox, since that's readily obtainable in context of the article. However, that's a matter separate from the edit I looked at.
—''']''' (]) 02:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: An unanticipated compliment ==

Wow, thanks! Glad to be useful. ] (]) 15:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks from NIMSoffice==
Dear Tenmei, first of all, thank you indeed for correcting my rushing writing style and for your useful comments, some of which I might have missed simply because they were hard to find on my talk page. Many thanks to TheMolecularMan too.
*Regarding the Scientific Jargon, please see my comment in discussion of that page. It was written on a user talk page and was hard to find back now.
*Regarding the referencing, please see my talk page. Best regards.] (]) 00:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Forgive my ignorance, I still don't know how is it better to reply - on my talk page, which keeps your comment, or on yours (which might give you the "new message" notice). Regarding the referencing style, I haven't developed my wikipedia style yet. That is why the difference in blue highlighting you mentioned. I don't see any important point in what to highlight because in a journal reference, the article title, journal volume/page numbers and doi are united. Yes, titles might be duplicated, but this is very rare. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I also wrote on my talk page my position regarding adding "free download". Regarding UserA1, I have replied to his edits of my references and he stopped the discussion, instead providing me with useful tips over Misplaced Pages reference operators :-) I think he understood my citing free-download sources as a blunt attempt to popularize my publications (which in reality are not mine), and that he strongly opposes self-promotion on Misplaced Pages. Whereas, my purpose, as I mentioned, is to point attention to high-quality free resources on the web. Regards.] (]) 03:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

==Ronald Niel Stuart==
Hi, you changed one of the citations in this article today. I understand why you changed it, but now it looks different from all the other citations. Can you please either convert all the citations to the new system or change the single one back.--] (]) 21:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks.--] (]) 06:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

==New Burzagli's document in Japanese==
Hi. We found another document in the Burzagli's archive written in Japanese. Could you help us with translation or do you know somebody that can do it? Here the link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/Image:Japaw.jpg. Thank you for your marvellous job anyway--] (]) 21:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hi man, I think this document will be interesting for you . As you can see is an official police report. It says that after an official investigation the authorities come to the conclusion that the death of the Admiral was caused by the violences he suffered by fascist authorities.--] (]) 12:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== Earthquakes Newsletter ==

Be sure to check out the ''']''' of the WikiProject Earthquakes Newsletter for updates and news. Thanks, &mdash;<span style="font-family:Garamond; color:#000000;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;(''']''')'''</span> 23:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Your comment ==

:D ]<sup>]</sup> 19:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

== Re: ] ==

You can see the deletion discussion at ]. I stand by my assessment of AfD consensus to delete. But if you wish, feel free to bring a ], just let me know if you do. I have ''temporarily'' userfied the page and talkpage to your userspace at ]. - let me know when you are done with your research or whatever you plan to do with that material so I can delete that page and talk page again soon. ''']''' (]) 21:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks. The issues involved in ] have nothing to do with me ... but I am a little troubled by this:
:* I stand by my assessment of AfD consensus to delete. But if you wish, feel free to bring a ], just let me know if you do.
: If this comment has to do with ], please trouble yourself no further. Please delete the temporary page at your earliest convenience. --] (]) 03:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I will delete the user subpages, but please refer to them if/when you use that material in an actual article in namespace, so the chain of GFDL is preserved. ''']''' (]) 07:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Reply to "Serial vandalism pattern" ==

No problem. I've come to sort of specialize in those vandalism-on-top-of-vandalism situations. And this was far from the worst. Now, regarding your questions:
* 1. No, I don't think posting to ] is the way to go to get help with this. ] is mostly for asking administrators to block vandals who do it repeatedly. (I'm not an administrator. I just occasionally look at ] looking for something I can/should do something about.) I'm not sure where you should post. Maybe ] would be the appropriate place, although it seems to get filled with a lot of "why did my edit get reverted/deleted" questions. Sorry I don't know the answer to this one.
* 2. Yeah, warning vandals is encouraged. Not sure I can say very convincingly, for myself, why we do it. But the first paragraph to ] gives a little bit of rationale. When it comes to posting to ], to get a vandal blocked, that's one of the things the admins check for -- whether they were warned, and whether they continued vandalising after being warned (usually multiple times). Generally, if the vandal wasn't warned, or wasn't sufficiently warned, the admin won't block them, just (maybe) issue a warning. But mileage may vary -- it's largely at the admin's discretion, whether to block or not. Usually I fix the vandalism, then warn the vandal (or post to ] if it got that far) unless the vandalism is old or the user's already been warned by somebody else after the vandalism was done.
-- <span style="font-family:serif">]</span> 02:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:FWIW, there seems to be a great deal of variability, too. Some admins seem more tolerant than others, but maybe it's in the nature of the vandalism, the amount of traffic the page gets, whether its a bio, & other factors I don't know about. (It does seem bio pages get better protection/tougher action, but that could be anecdotal.) ] ]</font> 14:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
==Fortescue==
Both of those are a matter of personal preference more than guideline. Unless somebody's well known by a 3-part name (] comes to mind), I default to not using it, in preference to an initial or nothing at all. On dates for lifetimes, if there's a link, I remove it, 'cause that'll be in the linked article. All I can say is, suit yourself, 'cause if somebody dislikes it, it's gonna get reverted. ;D ] ]</font> 14:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Good questions on naming conventions ==

This is a bit of a muddle -- I admit that I was thinking only of making Needham's opening paragraph a bit simpler, and it didn't seem quite right to say that he was "mainly known as" or "known in China" as, since his Chinese name was used all over the world when referring to him in Chinese.

The article ] isn't much of a help, either.

So my interim suggestion would be to follow one convention for all, whether they are Chinese, Japanese, or not. It seems tidier to put the Chinese or Japanese characters at the head, as part of the person's name rather than trying to decide where to tuck it in and make the reader search for it. Another example is ]. On the other hand articles for a number of people who had widely used Chinese names do not supply them, e.g. ].

So I think we should follow your suggestion to think about it for a while and find more examples of good uses of one convention or another. ] (]) 06:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:Your instincts are exactly on-point; and this is one of those instances in which extraordinary care needs to be invested. I've tentatively modified the first paragraph using Sir ] as a model. Like Needham, this British ambassador was accorded British honours which occasioned the addition of ]s. I would have thought that Americans like Fairbank, Buck and Snow present an inadequate model in this specific context.

:I agree wholeheartedly with the central point you make -- that it's better to put the Chinese or Japanese characters at the head, as part of the person's name rather than trying to decide where to tuck it in and make the reader search for it. Perhaps the best resolution here would be for me to defer to your well informed judgment? --] (]) 07:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

This is a very useful discussion -- probably we can follow the "one convention for all" guideline in most cases, but be sensitive to individual needs. In any case, thanks for bringing this up and for your thoughtful discussion. ] (]) 08:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Chrysanthemum Throne ==
I still believe the "Rhetorical usage" section is overkill for using mainspace to rebut the ], but the edits you've made certainly make it worthy of inclusion. Could we compromise on putting it below "History" at least, if not also condensing it? ] (]) 23:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== 3RR warning for ] ==

] You currently appear to be engaged in an ]{{#if:Yonsei (fourth-generation Nikkei)|&#32; according to the reverts you have made on ]}}. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the ]. If you continue, '''you may be ] from editing'''. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a ] among editors. If necessary, pursue ]. {{#if:Edit warring over the likely deleted or merged article is not worthy, so I let the article with your POV pushing. Your personal attacks to HongQiGong and me along with your dishonest edits are being recorded to the history. Good luck!|Edit warring over the likely deleted or merged article is not worthy, so I let the article with your POV pushing. Your personal attacks to HongQiGong and me along with your dishonest edits are being recorded to the history. Good luck!|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr -->--] 18:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

==re:Nikkei==
Hi, Tenmei. I didn't even look in again at that AfD... um... "discussion", but since this ''absurdly'' inappropriate deletion nomination was closed as "No consensus", I assume the anti-Japan noise machine made its mark. Either that, or the closing Admin just counted !votes, and ignored the overwhelming evidence of notability presented at the article and in the discussion...

When these Chinese and Korean editors whose ''parents'' are too young to remember WWII are even more anti-Japan than their ''grandparents'' (I lived in Korea and spoke to many of that generation, my wife is Korean), we can do them the favor of assuming they are motivated by blind, stupid, ignorant nationalism. But this current attack on Japanese-''American'' articles-- the people, and their descendants who helped free their countries from Imperial Japan-- can only be motivated by blatant racism. Needless to say, this should not be tolerated at a project that purports to be an encyclopedia.

About your conflict with Caspian, and the AfD which resulted. It is very disappointing to me. I considered him a friend and ally in the Korea-related articles. He has been good in fighting Japan-POV trolls/vandals, etc. I have noticed his increasingly irrational and extreme behavior in the context of Japan-related articles, but I thought he was just a little excitable, and would come to his senses eventually. But this AfD and his behavior at it indicate to me that he has become a loose canon and a potential detriment to all articles with any relation at all to Japan unless they show that country, its culture, its people, or even descendants of its people in an obviously negative light. At the AfD, when the yonsei generation was shown to be, without a doubt, completely notable-- the subject of ''many'' books, studies, articles, as well as, despite his original claim, in wide use in English-- I actually thought he would admit his mistake and change his position. Instead, he let his personal and national animosity stand in the way of good judgment. He stood by his position (implying that my own "Keep" !vote was biased because I "liked" Japan), and he called in HongQiGong, long-time, notorious, virulently anti-Japan edit-warrior. This showed me, conclusively, that Caspian's intent in this AfD was not for the good of the encyclopedia, only to delete this article by any means possible. And I know perfectly well that the Korean whose Japan-hatred is extreme enough to bash sushi restaurants out of national "pride" on ] (bashing nikkeijin articles at Misplaced Pages might be a near-vitual equivalent) is the same one who will shout '']'' at my wife and me on the streets of Seoul. So he can consider our editing-friendship to be finished.

I don't know what your specific conflicts are with him, and I'm not really interested. What little I see looks irrational and absurd-- A disambiguation question which leads to edit-war and the AfD of a highly notable subject... squabbling over "Hawai'ian" Japanese and "U.S." Japanese... I have no idea what that is all about... but it seems to be noise to distract from constructive, positive work, at best, and possibly the products of a mind warped by hatred.

About HongQiGong's "interest" in the nikkeijin articles, consider this: He was able to put in the effort to gather enough sourcing for ] to get it up to GA status. (Won't he be proud when it's on the mainpage? at one point he tried to detail each war crime against China in the main article on Japan...). In contrast, from the Nisei article, he wiped out up such things as-- 'Maj. Gen. Charles Willoughby, intelligence chief of staff for Gen. Douglas MacArthur, said, "The nisei saved countless allied lives and shortened the war by two years."' ...After all, something like this is OH! so difficult to source! () The amount of effort expended on the two articles seems quite telling.

So what do we do? I was raised very close with a very nice nisei family, Japanese culture, etc., and married into a very nice Korean family. Like most people who have connections on both sides of the body of water which separates Korea and Japan (I doubt the edit-warriors have settled on what to call it yet) I just want to avoid the irrational hatred that comes from both sides. I will not be fighting the POV-pushers either pro- or anti-Japan. Dealing with these people warps one's view of life and people. (St. George become the dragon?) I'd like to think that this is what happened to Caspian-- I'd like to think his original intent was good, but the POV-nutcases eventually lured him over to their side (their "side" not being the same nation, but the same mindset)...

In real life it is easy enough to spot these people and avoid them. In real life I've got friends and family on both sides of ] ]-- name it and be labled a "~ -nationalist"-- who get along perfectly fine... But at Misplaced Pages, do we just ignore them? Just sit by and let the POV-warriors, both Japanese and non-Japanese (most of whose English skills are questionable at best)-- slug it out over these articles, and in the process invalidate any article on such subjects-- even the non-controversial ones-- that English Misplaced Pages can make?

The Japan project seems to want to avoid this 500-pound gorilla-- apparently for fear of the inevitable "Japanese nationalist" accusation that will be lobbed at anyone who disagrees with the Japan-bashers... Ah, but they've got some fine ''anime'', ''manga'', and railroad station articles... And I guess I'll retreat back into ] from the ]. Porn and cartoons-- Sure, they're subjects of ridicule here, but apparently this is the only type of article Misplaced Pages can do right... (Feel free to copy any of this to any forum where it may do some good-- I won't be pursuing the matter, as I have no stomach for this sort of thing.) ] (]) 19:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

== Jimmu ==

Thankyou for your thoughtful remarks regarding my edit to Jimmu.

Before I edited, the passage read 'Jimmu is regarded by historians as a "legendary emperor" because of the paucity of information about him, which does not necessarily imply that no such person ever existed. Rather, scholars can only lament that, at this time, there is insufficient material available for further verification and study.'

I was uncomfortable with this version for one or two reasons. Firstly, while 'no information' does not mean 'didn't exist', it certainly can't be taken as evidence that he ''did'' exist. It does not imply that he didn't exist, but it is even less an of an implication that he did exist.

The tone of this passage struck me as hopeful that, if we just wait a while, it is likely that we will be able to verify that he existed. Or even that historians do, or should, want Jimmu to have existed.

I had never heard of Jimmu before reading the article, was just doing my normal browsing, and noted a sentence which struck me as mildly OR. I am happy to defer to your obviously greater knowledge of the subject. However, I would submit that the status of the first Japanese emporers is similar to the Kings of Rome: there is an even chance that they existed or didn't exist. ] (]) 11:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== RfC message ==

I removed your RfC from ] both because it was malformed and because it belongs on the talk page, not the main page where every user will see it. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by pasting the same message that's already on that talk page and at ] on my talk page, so I've removed that. If you want to leave me an actual message, feel free. ] (]) 07:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:As I said, the problem with the RfC you put up was that you put in on the article itself instead of the talk page. You seem to have that rectified now though at ]. ] (]) 09:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== Tags on Severance Hospital ==

Hi. I removed the tags you placed on Severance Hospital.

From what I understand the facts that you object to is the name "Yonsei Severance Hospital" but that name is not used on the current version of the page.

Since tags in article space is intended for readers rather than editors they should reflect the current state of the article.

If the name is readded might I suggest use of an inline tag such as *one* of {{]}}, {{]}} or {{]}}. Which helps readers and editors to immediately identify what the problem is. ] (]) 20:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

:Another unnecessary problem helped by a simple suggestion and with practical consequences. Thanks. It would have been better if I could have reached towards this possibility on my own initiative, but that will come in due course, I suppose. --] (]) 00:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

I just added a citation to this article. An anon changed the numbers in the table. Could you tell me where you got your numbers from when you first entered them? (] too lazy to log in) - ] (]) 08:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

=

== Excerpts ==

Hi Tenmei, as far as your questions... I agree with you that in many cases excerpts from poems do enhance the article. I liked the way the poems were used in the articles you pointed out to me. I thought they made powerful statements and I thoroughly enjoyed reading them. Thank you - ] (]) 01:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:I have looked at the excerpts that you provided Epousesquecido, and I agree that they can be very helpful in encyclopedic articles. However excepts make me eager for more; I want the entire source, and then commentary about the source! ;-)
:Thank you very much for putting together ]. I will reflect on it through the year to come, as I have reflected on ] over the last six months.
:Also, I replied on my talk page suggesting how this can be put onto the Japanese and English Wikisource. Let me know if I can be of assistance with this.
:<span style="font-variant:small-caps">] <sup>'''(])'''</sup></span> 05:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Very thoughtful ==

Tenmei, your kind gesture in leaving such a thoughtful work with our electees has been noticed... thank you. ++]: ]/] 21:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== I added the wikicode, we can discuss later the merits ==

I added the wikicode, we can discuss later the merits, I have to go for all you can eat sushi now. Back in an hour or two. --] (]) 21:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

'''The quote function is excellent. It allows you to see if the text actually matches up with what as used in the article. I sometimes read an entire New York Times article, and am still not sure what part verifies the text in Misplaced Pages. It also allows you to refind the article if the url stops working. You just plug the quote back into Google and it refinds the article. Perfect for Associated Press and Reuters articles that tend to get deleted from websites after two weeks so they don't have to keep paying the press agency to use them. --] (]) 00:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

:Thank you for explaining. I need to think about this a bit more. For the articles I'm likely to create, the central issue remains unresolved -- whether the quote function will be perceived as excellent (as you and I construe its utility) or whether it will inspire ], etc.? Now that you've opened my eyes to this option, I'm intrigued by the potential consequences. Maybe it won't gain acceptance amongst the editors who follow my work most closely, but I'm inclined to experiment with this. --] (]) 02:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::If your quotations is long enough that a TL;DR response is possible then copyvio is a much more serious concern. ] (]) 08:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)'''

The other great thing about using the quote function is when the article use as the source is broken into very short pages like Rolling Stone and Crime Library. They do that so a new ad show with each click to a new page. I was just searching for the word "Haifa" in a Rolling Stone article and had to click through every page and do a control-F at each page. If I had the full text string, I could have just started the search in Google and it would have taken me to the correct page right away. Some source articles are broken into 20 or 30 pages so they can serve 20-30 new ads. --] (]) 17:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== winter ==
] in winter.]]
Thanks your autumn picture. I give you in return winter picture. -- ] (]) 15:18, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi. I have deleted your subpage ] under ] because it is composed completely of four New York Times articles. Please note that Misplaced Pages's copyright policy applies even in userspace and you should not host copyright violations in your user space. Thank you. --] (]) 02:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

:] -- You have deleted a user page without warning. What reason had I to know that this was even a remote possibility?

:Please restore the removed text so that I can profit from the error you have now brought to my attention. If I don't understand, then your action was both pointless as well as intrusive.

:I do not perceive this as either appropriate or laudatory; but since I don't understand well enough to be more specific, it is difficult to know how to express my dismay. --] (]) 05:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

::It would appear, based on the following text copied from your userpage, you have identified a niche in which you hope to improve Misplaced Pages:
:::<small>One of the worst policy decisions Misplaced Pages has made is to allow user and user talk edits to be indexed by search engines. (Note that even though they can be blocked from Google with {{NOINDEX}}, mirrors can still pick them up.)</small> This creates ''space that is largely unmonitored'' <small>for libel and nonsense, but is nonetheless a top g-hit for any relevant search term.</small>

::The whatever-it-was which led to you to do whatever it is you're doing is opaque. The policy which informs your edit is similarly opaque. In my view, you now have an obligation to explain and to mitigate the awkward consequences which now ensue.

::One thing should be clear: I have been heedlessly unsettled by your actions. Two questions are now implied:
::*1. How many others have been caught up in your novel tactic?
::*2. Am I the first, or only one in a strategy of edits which could have been handled differently?
::These questions are not merely rhetorical, but substantial. --] (]) 05:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Umm ... yeah. Your subpage contained word-for-word copies of four ] articles. That is copyrighted material and not appropriate to use here. Deleting copyright violations is not awkward, novel, or anything else. --] (]) 13:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::It's kinda rude to do it without first warning him though. ] | ] 17:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

===Sandbox===
::::This response is unhelpful, uncooperative, unwelcome -- heedless. Not good.

::::You have argued that that your edit was informed by ]; but I would have thought you might have considered an arguable conflict in terms of ].

::::A more considerate response would have been to restore what has been rendered unknown; and then to tag it immediately with ] as was specifically suggested at the link you did provide.

::::Bluntly, your crisp reply was wrong. The failure to reply constructively was wrong. At best, it turns this into an illustrative example of an administrator using tools inelegantly. Your words lack nuance ... which is particularly frustrating when, as I've already explained, I need to refresh my memory about what you've now placed beyond my ability to review.

::::Again, but with greater urgency, two questions are now implied:
::::*1. How many others have been caught up in your novel tactic?
::::*2. Am I the first, or only one of many confronting a strategy of edits which could have been handled differently?
::::These questions are not merely rhetorical, but substantial. I now feel compelled to add a third corollary question:
::::*3. How many others have responded as I have done -- with an invitation to hang-on, wait-a-minute, let's-talk-about-this, etc. ... AND am I the first, or ''only one of many confronting a strategy of ]ing which should have been handled differently''?

:::: PROPOSAL: I would suggest that you restore the sub-page and tag it for deletion. This will serve two purposes: (1) it will begin a process which can vindicate part of a potentially useful strategy/tactic which does need to be tweaked a little bit; and (2) it will enable me to discover whatever it is that's going on here ....

::::<u>You fail to exercise good judgment</U> when you appear not to understand that, without more, others are simply unable to mitigate future conduct. <u>You demonstrate bad judgment</u> when you appear unwilling to explain what is not understood.

::::It appears that you've focused on being the best sandbox monitor you can be? No -- that can't be correct? If memory serves, I think I've previously encountered an administrator who, in real life, actually does have experience monitoring sandboxes as a teacher of young children. Perhaps we might invite her to help us move forward more effectively?

::::In my view, you should consider re-thinking your reluctance to explain. --] (]) 17:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::Your tone is seriously out of order. If you want my help you need to think about how you are talking to B. Although I agree that it wouldn't have hurt to warn you first the fact remains that B is correct in that you cannot copy paste whole articles from a newspaper into a user subpage.] | ] 18:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

ASIDE: ''See'' inquiries posted at
* ]?
* ]?

It seems to be that the issue could be pretty easily dealt with by putting links to the NYT articles in that sandbox rather than the text itself. Would that be reasonable? ] | ] 17:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

:Tenmei, I'm confused on what you are asking for. If you want the text of the deleted page emailed to you for your own reference, I or any other admin can do that - you need to enable email on your user preferences first, though. Restoring the page and allowing it to go through MFD is a pointless process - the whole idea of speedy deletions is that any page meeting one of the ] is to be deleted immediately by any administrator that sees it. I was not "monitoring" your sandbox page. Rather, I routinely search Misplaced Pages for "Virginia Tech University" and your page was one of the results. "Virginia Tech University" is an improper name for ] that is sometimes used in error. No place by that name exists. The school is named ] and is informally known as ]. Unfortunately, because there are other schools that are actually named "Statename Tech University", eg, ], people incorrectly assume that we have that name too. Your page showed up in the search results. I saw that it was a copyright violation. I deleted it. This isn't unusual. This isn't a "novel tactic". If you want to know how many other copyright violations I have deleted, you are welcome to look at . I have been an administrator for 2 years, though, and I couldn't begin to guess how many copyright violations I have deleted in that time. As for #2, no, you are not the first user to ever have a user page deleted. As for #3, there is nothing to discuss - blatant copyright violations get deleted instantly. There is nothing to "warn" you about as there is nothing you can do to make the page acceptable to keep. --] (]) 19:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

====Death in the family====
]
Perhaps this thread can lie fallow for a while. --] (])

==Right I'm ready==
Sorry not to reply earlier, I wasn't feeling up to it. With regard to your asking my help could you please email me (theresaknott@gmail.com) and tell me plainly what your were trying to say. Then I can advise you on how to say it clearly but politely. ] | ] 15:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


== Thank you ==

ありがとうございました。また話しましょう。普通は日本語を自分で映画を見たり、小説を読んだり学びますが、今年は大学に日本語を勉強します。　でも、まだ上手じゃありません。] (]) 23:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ryukyu "subordination" ==
Hello,

Regarding your kind words on my talk page, I still don't know if I really picked the right word, but an online thesaurus did help somewhat. ;) Cheers! --] (]) 16:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== "who" tag ==
Regarding the "who" tag on ], the article says, "some considered the appointment was not an enormous success". Well, '''who''' considered that it was not an enormous success? We will need names and a reference. For more information on the tag, see ]. ] (]) 21:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

== Primary source ==

You have obviously put a lot of effort into your additions to this article. However, I wonder whether having his level of detail so early in the article makes it a little unbalanced.

I accept that there are disciplnes and people for whom describing the earliest source as primary is acceptable although, I myself am not comfortable with this. For example in ''The Archimedes Codex'' (page 32), Netz points out that the earliest source for Archimedes age at death was in the 12th century AD. He describes the source as "a gossipy, fanciful poem". And yet, for some, this would be a primary source.

In the end, however, I'm not sure that it's helpful to spend a great deal of time discussing whether a particular source is primary or secondary. Whether its accurate is more important. ] (]) 06:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:Tenmei, I got the note you left on my talk page-- thanks. Primary sources are, in my experience, typically regarded far more broadly than the lengthy example you've developed at the article on ]. Ordinarily we don't get bogged down in debates about which archaeological artifact is '''''the''''' primary source, because they're all primary sources. Indeed, it's not at all uncommon to regard as primary sources the writings of those who personally found or personally examined the actual artifacts--not only the field notes and laboratory records but also published writings of those who have direct experience with the particular artifact. Truth be told, I would be very reluctant to confuse unfamiliar readers with a debate or example as "nit-picky" as the example you give. The concept of a "primary source" is very much relative to the scope of one's inquiry-- for instance, by way of analogy, it's widely accepted to be unlikely to be able to find, say for example, the very first written copy of the ], or ], so all the archaeological artifacts relating to these works are primary sources, and quite arguably so are the publications of those who've examined them in person. Not only that, for many purposes any current translation of these books are regarded as primary sources. (The secondary sources involve commentary on the content of these books.)<br>..... Having said this, I think it's preferable to place this content you added at the bottom, and see where it goes in terms of other WP editors' responses to the example. I stopped short of removing it outright. Thanks again for the note Tenmei. ... ] (]) 16:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

::I've had another look at the section. I'm not sure the way in which you have used the term "primary" is consistent with the definition at the start of the article - at least for historiography. I'm not qualified to comment on usage in other disciplines. I concede there are occasions when historians treat transcripts and facsimiles as if they were primary, although this is a slippery path. Since I'm not comfortable with the whole section, I'm reluctant to make minor changes. ] (]) 20:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== Apology ==

Hi Tenmei, Sorry for not replying before you removed your question. I had looked briefly at the article, but it seems outside of my area of expertise so I hadn't commented. Best regards, ] (]) 22:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

::No need for apology. The initial feedback from three who'd already worked on ] helped me see that my contrigution was premature. More fine-tuning is necessary. I especially appreciated the critical commentary which explained that what I'd so carefully crafted might seen as contrary to ]. I didn't see it until it was pointed out, and then the flaw in my work seemed so obvious. Sometimes we learn from our mistakes. --] (]) 22:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


== Order of Ouissam Alaouite ==
Since the order of Ouissam Alaouite was created during the French colonial period and came in five classes, my possibly wrong? deduction would state that the medals ribbons would be model after the French Legion of Honor in witch I took the same look but added the orange or pumpkin colour over red. --] (]) 20:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== RE : Request for Clarifications ==

I've removed the request for clarification that you've inserted. Requests for Clarification is meant for concluded cases, and for ongoing cases it should go to the workshop page itself, or on its talkpage. - ''Best regards'', ] 12:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Arbitration decision draft ==

Thank you for your comments on my workshop proposals in the arbitration case. I assure you they will be taken into account in formulating the final draft that will be posted for voting on the proposed decision page. I have responded to the comments you left so far; I will soon be signing off for the night, but will see anything additional you may post tomorrow or over the weekend. ] (]) 03:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== re: Rejecting "Locus of dispute" as written ==

] &nbsp;] <sup>]</sup> 22:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

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I have mentioned you in a thread on WP:ANI, so if you would like to contribute there you can find it under the title "AFDs not being properly considered due to assumption of bad faith".—Ryulong (琉竜) 01:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Usurpation of the account Enkyo

Hi, Enkyo2. I saw you tried to rename to Enkyo and it was declined because the name was already registered to a global account. However, if it passed years since the last edit of the account, the usurpation of the account is available. It will take about ten days after your request if no response to an email notification returned. You can try and leave it for ten days. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful words. --Enkyo2 13:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Hopefully we can clear up the simple.wp account too : simple:User talk:Griffinofwales#Ongamenet and Enkyo. John Vandenberg 05:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hope all is well. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 04:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Nippon Era's

Hi I noticed that you contributed a lot to these articles (your name kept propping up in the talk pages) - do you think those era's should be merged together? I mean the Taika (645–650) Hakuchi (650–654) Shuchō (686–686) Taihō (701–704) Keiun (704–708) Wadō (708–715) periods? NarSakSasLee (talk) 16:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

It is not clear why you seem to suggest that articles about specific Japanese era names should be merged. For example, each of these articles is an independent subject with explicit and different support cited from more than one reliable source:
For me, the point of your question is not understood. --Enkyo2 12:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Neutral notice

As an editor with an interest in New York City articles, you are invited to participate in an RfC at The Dakota. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Moving of "X family" to "X clan"

Regarding the series of moves your Ansei account made at the start of May, could you be a bit more careful? Most, if not all, of them were/are branches of Fujiwara/Minamoto/... clans, rather than clans themselves. I've already moved Nijo back, and will work on the others in a bit if you don't wanna do it yourself. Cheers! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

"Jimmu" and others

Enkyo, why did you violate WP:SELFREF when you had clearly already seen on the talk page where I had pointed you to the Misplaced Pages style guideline where we have an established consensus on how to romanize that?? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Enkyo,

I opened an ANI thread on you. This is not personal, and it's not about content (where I think I agree with you). It's about your use of language (and images, etc) on talk pages. Very difficult to understand. Maybe someone needs to teach you how to communicate on Misplaced Pages. This seemed the easiest way.

Cheers!

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:09, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Enkyo2, I haven't had time to look at this but appears to be the same old; I think you're a great, v.interesting, and v.informative communicator; my advice would be not to get bogged down in discussion with someone who thinks fit to write like this but to move on to one of the tens of thousands of other pages which need your time and learning, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Links to related threads are here and here. --Enkyo2 (talk) 13:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I added an inline-note here which mirrors WP:MOS-JA#Syllabic "n". A review of the guideline page history shows that these sentences were drafted by Jpatokal in 2004 here and the section was created by Nihonjoe in 2008 here. The guideline suggests "Use Google to check popularity if in doubt, and create a redirect from the n version" -- compare the list of Google Books Ngram Viewer results posted by Kusunose here.

Since 2009, there have been similar notes in the first paragraphs of articles about Emperor Temmu, Emperor Kimmei, Emperor Mommu, Empress Gemmei and Emperor Kammu -- compare Talk:Emperor Temmu#Tenmu vs Temmu. These spelling notes were each deleted by Hijiri88 with unhelpful edit summaries:

  • 14:05, 22 August 2013 diff . . Emperor Temmu ‎ (WP:SELFREF, WP:POINT.)
  • 14:08, 22 August 2013 diff . . Emperor Kimmei ‎ (WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.)
  • 14:12, 22 August 2013 diff . . Emperor Mommu ‎ (WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.)
  • 14:16, 22 August 2013 diff . . Empress Gemmei ‎ (WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.)
  • 14:19, 22 August 2013 diff . . Emperor Kammu ‎ (WP:SELFREF; WP:POINT.)

This is moving in the wrong direction. --Enkyo2 (talk) 20:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

A review of the edit histories of these articles and most others about the Japanese emperors reveals a cross-checking system of cited sources. This includes Delmer Brown's 1980 translation of Gukanshō and H. Paul Varley's 1979 translation of Jinnō Shōtōki -- compare List of Emperors of Japan#Notes. See JSTOR reviews of Brown's work here and Varley's work here. --Enkyo2 (talk) 12:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Enkyo PLEASE be coherent and stop making unrelated rants on talk pages

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The work just keeps right on rolling along
This is a pretext for continuing a pattern which is difficult to parse neatly -- see here and here. The fact that this is a pretext needs to be made explicit. I can only hope that the mere act of naming it will diminish its power to cause harm. --Enkyo2 (talk) 12:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Enkyo, please see my request for you to respond in this ANI thread. Kim Dent-Brown 21:38, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

ANI

A comment that another made about you has been quoted at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Canada-based_IP_user_posting_problematically_in_hundreds_of_RMs. Do not worry the editor whose conduct is under discussion is not you. You may want to take part in the discussion.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:01, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Enkyo, please could I ask that you engage in this discussion at AN/I, rather than suspending editing and waiting until it has been archived? It may be a coincidence that you restarted editing just after the previous thread was archived, bit if so it's an unfortunate one as it gives the appearance of trying to escape scrutiny. Now, if you have resumed editing again could you please join the AN/I discussion? To be honest, I find Hijiri's complaints a little shrill and repetitive, but equally I have to say that I find your communication style opaque and unhelpful. The problem between the two of you is not going to go away if we ignore it. Please join the discussion. Kim Dent-Brown 15:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Enkyo, I looked at your contribs to see whether you had again ceased editing while the new ANI thread is open and found this. I assume it's your response to the ANI thread but I strongly advise against you posting it in this form. As it stands it entirely vindicates Hijiri's point that your communication is verbose to the point of impenetrability. Post it if you will, but expect that it will make your opponent's point for them rather than strengthening your own position. Kim Dent-Brown 21:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Blocked

Per the results of the recent ANI thread about you , I have blocked you from editing for an indefinite period. You may appeal for an unblock (to the community or to Arbcom) if and when you can demonstrate that you have understood what has been wrong about your communicative behaviour, and can make a credible commitment to improve. Until such time, I am afraid the community has run out of patience with you and you must be prevented from editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:30, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

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Cleanup for old User page

Hi, Enkyo2! This is to let you know that I have blanked the content from your old User page (User:Ansei). That page is now a redirect to your current User page (this page), so nobody will ever see the content. But because the old User page is now a redirect, the content was interfering with the Help page for the Japanese language template. So I deleted the content. Is that OK?
The content is still available in the history page of your old User page (User:Ansei), so you can view it at any time. And the redirect from your old User page to your new one still works properly, so I think that should be OK. If you have any problem with all of this, you can undo it simply by undoing my edit. Thanks, and thanks for your contributions to Japanese history. -- Margin1522 (talk) 14:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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Treaties on Kashmir

Various scholars have written on the Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir), The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846). But very little of that text is on wikipedia.

Maharaja gulab Singh originally worked for the Sikh Empire. But then betrayed the Sikh empire by siding with the East India Company in the Anglo-Sikh War. His name is mentioned in the treaty of Lahore too. He collected Taxes for the East India Company and the money was then given by him to the East India Company.

The Treaty of Lahore (9 March 1846) and the Treaty of Amritsar (16 March 1846) lapsed under Article 7 of the Independence Act 1947. The Act was passed by the British Parliament on July 18, 1947 to assent to the creation of the independent states of India and Pakistan. The aforementioned Article 7 provides that, with the lapse of His Majesty’s suzerainty over the Indian states, all treaties, agreements, obligations, grants, usages and sufferance’s will lapse.

The 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur (Sikh) was under the control of the East India company when he sign The Treaty of Lahore on 9 March 1846 which gave Jammu and Kashmir and its people to the East India Company.

Under the British legal system and international law a treaty signed by the 7 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh Bahadur and under duress is not valid. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.)

We may need to add a section on the impact on the removal of Article 370 of the Indian constitution on The Instrument of Accession too. None of this text is on there.

Various scholars have written on these treaties, for example Alistair Lamb disputed the validity of the Instrument of Accession in his paper Myth of Indian Claim to JAMMU & KASHMIR –– A REAPPRAISAL'

Where he writes "While the date, and perhaps even the fact, of the accession to India of the State of Jammu & Kashmir in late October 1947 can be questioned, there is no dispute at that time any such accession was presented to the world at large as conditional and provisional. It was not communicated to Pakistan at the outset of the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu & Kashmir, nor was it presented in facsimile to the United Nations in early 1948 as part of the initial Indian reference to the Security Council. The 1948 White Paper in which the Government of India set out its formal case in respect to the State of Jammu & Kashmir, does not contain the Instrument of Accession as claimed to have been signed by the Maharajah: instead, it reproduces an unsigned form of Accession such as, it is implied, the Maharajah might have signed. To date no satisfactory original of this Instrument as signed by the Maharajah has been produced: though a highly suspect version, complete with the false date 26 October 1947, has been circulated by the Indian side since the 1960s. On the present evidence it is by no means clear that the Maharaja ever did sign an Instrument of Accession.

Indian troops actually began overtly to intervene in the State’s affairs on the morning of 27 October 1947

It is now absolutely clear that the two documents (a) the Instrument of Accession, and (c) the letter to Lord Mountbatten, could not possibly have been signed by the Maharajah of Jammu & Kashmir on 26 October 1947. The earliest possible time and date for their signature would have to be the afternoon of 27 October 1947. During 26 October 1947 the Maharajah of Jammu & Kashmir was travelling by road from Srinagar to Jammu. (The Kashmir State Army divisions and the Kashmiri people had already turned on him and he was on the run and had no authority in the state). His new Prime Minister, M.C. Mahajan, who was negotiating with the Government of India, and the senior Indian official concerned in State matters, V.P. Menon, were still in New Delhi where they remained overnight, and where their presence was noted by many observers. There was no communication of any sort between New Delhi and the travelling Maharajah. Menon and Mahajan set out by air from New Delhi to Jammu at about 10.00 a.m. on 27 October; and the Maharajah learned from them for the first time the result of his Prime Minister’s negotiations in New Delhi in the early afternoon of that day. The key point, of course, as has already been noted above, is that it is now obvious that these documents could only have been signed after the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu & Kashmir on 27 October 1947. When the Indian troops arrived at Srinagar air field, that State was still independent. Any agreements favourable to India signed after such intervention cannot escape the charge of having been produced under duress. (The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void.)"

Additionally Maharaja was on the run. The prevailing international practice on the recognition of state governments is based on the following three factors: first, the government’s actual control of the territory; second, the government’s enjoyment of the support and obedience of the majority of the population; third, the government’s ability to stake the claim that it has a reasonable expectation of staying in power. The situation on the ground demonstrates that the Maharaja was not in control of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and was fleeing for his life and almost all of Kashmir was under the control of the Kashmiri people and the Kashmiri Army that had rebelled against him. His own troops had turned on him. With regard to the Maharaja’s control over the local population, it is clear that he enjoyed no such control or support. The people of Kashmir had been sold by the East India Company and he charged them high taxes thetefore the Kashmir Muslims, Hindus Pandits and Buddhists hated him. Furthermore, the state’s armed forces were in total disarray after most of the men turned against him and he was running for his life. Finally, it is highly doubtful that the Maharaja could claim that his government had a reasonable chance of staying in power without Indian military intervention. This assumption is substantiated by the Maharaja’s letters.

Many of these treaties apply to Jammu and Kashmir. The Kashmir conflict is already on Misplaced Pages. It is internationally recognized as a disputed territory under various United United Nations resolutions that are already listed on Misplaced Pages Nations Security Council Resolution 47, Nations Security Council Resolution 39,mediation of the Kashmir dispute, Nations Commission for India and Pakistan. There is a lot of documentation on Jammu and Kashmir in the UN archives already. If you look at the page Kashmir conflict, it already contains sections on the "Indian view", "Pakistani view", "Chinese view", "Kashmiri views". May be we could do something like that with these treaty pages. The Treaty of Lahore was signed in 9 March 1846 and the Treaty of Amritsar 16 March 1846. They predate the creation of both modern day India and Pakistan. The Treaty of Lahore was signed between the Sikh Empire and the British government. It is an international treaty and comes under international law. Johnleeds1 (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


Currently the pages on Jammu and Kashmir are very fragmented. Its difficult to navigate through the pages. May be have a page on the treaties that apply to Jammu and Kashmir and link these to actual history events. The reader could then click on a link, obtain a more indepth knowledge of the treaty, its relationship with other treaties and the events surrounding it. Therefore providing them with a more educational understanding of these treaties. There is a lot of literature on these treaties, that we could use for references. There are also multiple parties to these treaties and we could link to them too. Many books and scholarly papers have been published illustrating the details surrounding these treaties. May be also create subsections on these pages illustrating the views of the Government of India, The view of the Government of Pakistan and the view of the Kashmiri Parties, The Government of China, The United Nations, The Sikh Empire and the British Government on these treaties. On Misplaced Pages we have the text on the various treaties but it does not show how these treaties relate to one another. We need show how they relate to one another and the events on the ground. We need to enhance the experience of the reader. Johnleeds1 (talk) 14:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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