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	Shouldn't this page be unified with ] and ]? -- ] 00:17 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
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			== The difference between Nirvana and Buddha hood. ==
	:I'm no expert on this school as it doesn't particularly interest me at present, however I've just started working on some related projects (Himalayan studies) so should be able to shed some light in the near future! Just noticed from your link here that ] was very disjointed, so I kind of hacked it back together. As for Vajrayana / Tibetan Buddhism, I think the former is a subset of the latter but I don't know if it warrants a seperate wiki. -- ]

			Nirvana is a Sanskrit word as you well know, but did you know it consists of tree words, Nir Vad Djna, literally this mean “Without wrong thought”, at least this is what my teacher Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche taught me. To reach Nirvana is to come to the end of ones preconceived ideas, to the place where the world is new at every moment.
	:No! It should not be unified with Tibetan Buddhism. Vajrayana Buddhism is Indian in origin even though this is not brought out in the article. Tibetan Buddhism just happens to be the best known variation on the Vajrayana, but Shingon Buddhism in Japan is equally Vajrayana (and they would say a purer form of it). ] 12:35, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

			Buddha hood is to gain the state of a Buddha, to be a Buddha is to gain throughout ages an accumulation of merits or positive accumulated fearlessness to deal with the parts of life that beings do not like to deal with and witch make up what is commonly known as the subconscious. Having gained a storage of “good merit” one will have the connection to a whole world of sentient beings, through ones work, and so will start at a proper time a new world cycle of Buddhist teachings.
	:BTW Lamaism is a very archaic and now abandoned way of referring to Tibetan Buddhism. It is an example of western 'orientalism' at it's worst, because inherent in the term is the assumption that Tibetan Buddhism is not a form of Buddhism at all. This was informed by a western (mostly academic) bias which saw Theravada as the standard of orthodoxy.] 12:35, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

			To become a Buddha and to attain Nirvana is one and the same, there is no difference between the two, in actual experience. To reach Nirvana is like becoming truly sane. And to become a Buddha is to become the King of Fearlessness.
	===Suggestion(s) on what should go on what pages===
	I've just moved a lot of detail on Tibetan Buddhism from the ] page to the ] page. If no one objects I will do the same thing with the Shingon section in a few days -- right now it contains more and better info on Shingon than the ] page itself which seems odd. The Vajrayana page will then be fairly brief -- where it fits in Buddhism, what is unique about it and then a short description of Tibetan and Shingon Buddhism with links to them -- that's about it. But others may have a different view -- any comments? ] 18:52, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

			Nirvana you may gain for you self anytime but becoming a Buddha is another matter.
	===Vajrayana and tantric sex===
			--] 16:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa.

			::Different teachers give different etymologies for the word "nirvana". The most common is as follows: "nir" is the prefix meaning "to cease" or "to stop"; "vaana" means "blowing": thus "extinguished" or "blown out" would be the literal translation. - --] 03:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
	A previous version of the article contained the claim that ''the sensational techniques of ] are not widely attested by outside observers of Vajrayana, nor reported by practitioners. Thus we must conclude they are not an element of Vajrayana.'' This is not true: while tantric sex has little to do with mainstream Vajrayana, the left-hand path has (and perhaps even is) practiced esp. in Tibetan Buddhism, and there was even a short-lived cult in Japan as well. But since the left-hand path almost by definition breaks all societal taboos, it has been hounded out of existence wherever it pops up too publicly... ] 05:27, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

			== where to put this? ==

			:don't know yet.

			== Deity practice ==

			I removed the following, misleading fragment from the article:
			<blockquote>
			"Deity Tantra is often practiced at the moment directly prior to sexual climax. The practitioner takes a consort and this is practiced in pairs. Often times the couple pictures themselves as the deities in the mandala making love."
			</blockquote>
			It gives the impression that tantric buddhist deity practices are predominantly done in a "sexual" setting. In reality however, these deity practices are just meditation practices - with no consort involved. In anuttarayogatantra, the deities often do have consorts, but anuttarayogatantra is not relevant to most tantric practitioners.

			== Notes ==
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			== Origins of Vajrayana ==

			This wikipedia page is basically affirming Vajrayana was born out of Hinduism. I think the page should gives rise to the possibility that it was taught by the historical Buddha. Both perspectives are taught widely and both can be stated on this page without it being a huge scandal. At the same time, I don't want to do this alone and I don't want to put work into this and then discover wikipedia editors simply want to keep the page as it is.

			There are many good resources including books from Reggie Ray that would be good secondary sources.

			Anyone else interested in this project, or just leave it alone?

			All best wishes,

			] (]) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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The difference between Nirvana and Buddha hood.

Nirvana is a Sanskrit word as you well know, but did you know it consists of tree words, Nir Vad Djna, literally this mean “Without wrong thought”, at least this is what my teacher Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche taught me. To reach Nirvana is to come to the end of ones preconceived ideas, to the place where the world is new at every moment.

Buddha hood is to gain the state of a Buddha, to be a Buddha is to gain throughout ages an accumulation of merits or positive accumulated fearlessness to deal with the parts of life that beings do not like to deal with and witch make up what is commonly known as the subconscious. Having gained a storage of “good merit” one will have the connection to a whole world of sentient beings, through ones work, and so will start at a proper time a new world cycle of Buddhist teachings.

To become a Buddha and to attain Nirvana is one and the same, there is no difference between the two, in actual experience. To reach Nirvana is like becoming truly sane. And to become a Buddha is to become the King of Fearlessness.

Nirvana you may gain for you self anytime but becoming a Buddha is another matter. --Mitrapa 16:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa.

Different teachers give different etymologies for the word "nirvana". The most common is as follows: "nir" is the prefix meaning "to cease" or "to stop"; "vaana" means "blowing": thus "extinguished" or "blown out" would be the literal translation. - --Bodhirakshita 03:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

where to put this?

don't know yet.

Deity practice

I removed the following, misleading fragment from the article:

"Deity Tantra is often practiced at the moment directly prior to sexual climax. The practitioner takes a consort and this is practiced in pairs. Often times the couple pictures themselves as the deities in the mandala making love."

It gives the impression that tantric buddhist deity practices are predominantly done in a "sexual" setting. In reality however, these deity practices are just meditation practices - with no consort involved. In anuttarayogatantra, the deities often do have consorts, but anuttarayogatantra is not relevant to most tantric practitioners.

Notes

Origins of Vajrayana

This wikipedia page is basically affirming Vajrayana was born out of Hinduism. I think the page should gives rise to the possibility that it was taught by the historical Buddha. Both perspectives are taught widely and both can be stated on this page without it being a huge scandal. At the same time, I don't want to do this alone and I don't want to put work into this and then discover wikipedia editors simply want to keep the page as it is.

There are many good resources including books from Reggie Ray that would be good secondary sources.

Anyone else interested in this project, or just leave it alone?

All best wishes,

Badabara (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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