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== March 14, 1938 == | ||
I am sorry I got stuck making this edit, but perhaps the editors can help. The problem with the original write up is that it is factually inaccurate and does not correspond to the referenced declaration of the Slovak Parliament. In the below I provide a new text, with two references: a Cambridge University Press book and an AEPress book, with detailed accounts of the participants of the events by a renowned historian. | |||
Original: In the lead up to World War II, ...., Reference 11 | |||
Proposed: In the lead-up to ], ] exploited the geopolitical situation, including the ], the pragmatism of the Western powers, and the fragility of the security situation in Slovakia, to pressure Slovak leaders to declare independence to establish the first ] as a ] under its control.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-05-28 |title=The Slovak Dilemma |url= https://books.google.at/books?id=ODk8AAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA1&ots=5yZUxKXs9J&dq=the%20slovak%20dilemma%20steiner&lr&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=the%20slovak%20dilemma%20steiner&f=false|website=OUP |language=en}}</ref> <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-05-28 |title=Vznik Slovenského štátu. 14. marec 1939. Spomienky aktérov historických udalostí. 1. Diel |url= https://is.muni.cz/publication/836228/cs/Vznik-Slovenskeho-statu-14-marec-1939-spomienky-akterov-historickych-udalosti/Bystricky-Letz-Podolec|website=AEPRess|language=sk}}</ref> | |||
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I just found this extended coat of arms of Slovakia, together with motto - Afferant Montes Pacem Populo - . I never heared about this, have someone some extended informations about this or should be the motto, together with this extended coat of arms added to the article? --] (]) 10:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Landlocked country, landlocked state == | |||
== Samo's empire == | |||
I would like to remove "landlocked country" remark, as it is the repetition of already mentioned landlocked state in the previous sentence. It doesn't sound good when same things are repeated several times. Can you just leave the word "country" instead. Thank you. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:03, November 4, 2011 (UTC)</small> | |||
"Western Slovakia was the centre of Samo's empire in the 7th century." | |||
There are the claims that the centre was actually somewhere in Bohemia, or it might be in southern Moravia, which itself could explain the rise of the Moravian state (Great Moravia) later. That western Slovakia was part of the Samo empire should not be contested, of course.] (]) 18:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
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== History in Infobox == | ||
The country infobox serves to briefly provide basic information. The same is true for the part involving history. | |||
The hungarian kingdom's first university was established in Pécs in 1367, Sigismund's university was the second, Matthias Corvinus's university was the third. ] (]) 08:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
However, this is not currently the case in this article. This section does not show the basic historical events crucial to statehood, but the whole historical discourse. | |||
This is not right and no other country's Infobox has it. Note that there are 10 historical events with lots of parentheses and notes. Compared to Germany, which has a much longer statehood, for which 5 events are enough. Simply compared to any other country - this Infobox in wiki article about a country is crazy and unprecedented. Not to mention that there is a historical event about the state (Slovak state during WW2), to which the current Slovakia does not reference politically or legally, and therefore it is not an event in its statehood. Therefore, I perform standardization with really basic and key events, not the whole discourse.--] (]) 07:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
: Opposite. If, it is very big problem for You, the section can be ]. ✍️ ] (]) 08:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
: Opposite. Every country has different kind of history, you cant remove important facts in infobox about Slovak history to only few basic points, just because you dont like how many information it has. The infobox is without change for many months and it looks like you are the only one editor who has problem with that. You constantly removing map - Slovakia on the globe, informations about Slovak history and also even anthem from infobox (thats pure vandalism). Please stop with your disturbing edits. ] (]) 20:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
:I would also support removing the First Slovak Republic from the establishment history section. ] and ]'s articles don't include their respective Axis collaborationist governments in the establishment history section, so I don't see a reason to include a similar government in this page's infobox's establishment history section. ] (]) 02:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Opposite. The First Slovak Republic didn't come to being as a result of a 'simple' ruling party change. It was the first Slovak country. ] (]) 13:40, 26 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
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== Slovakia == | |||
I'd like to see a source on the SNP. I don't believe that there was any connection between the war in the eastern front and the SNP. It came about regardless of the eastern front as a movement against the Nazis. My grandfather was involved in the SNP and never referred to it happening because of the changing fortune of war,... --] (]) 05:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:The sentence in the article misunderstands the actual circumstances. It is true, that SNP was organised to join the eastern front when it reached the country. But that was more a tactical aspect of the operation. In that way the resistance had better chance of succeeding. The changing fortune was not the motive for SNP, the regime had had its opponents ever since it was formed. I'll try to find some sources and reword it. <span style="font-size:120%;font-style:italic; color:#fff;font-weight:bold; height:20px; background-color:#c00; margin-right:1px"> w</span>] 09:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Protection == | |||
Slovakia culturally Eastern Europe ] (]) 03:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
I think that this article should have a protection for a while. Because the Hungary-Slovakia conflict could be this article revised for the propaganda of boot sides. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Foreign Relations section needs update == | |||
== Feszty's painting == | |||
As of December 2024 the Foreign Relations section is somewhat out of date with no reference to the diplomatic support it is giving Russia in the context of the War in Ukraine. ] (]) 02:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
The panting should be deleted, as it really is a 19th century propaganda in the purest sense of the word. Feszty lived and painted in the era the Hungarian (and all the others for that matter) nationalism was at its peak. The monumental painting depicts heroic figures in shining armor riding white horses, which is far from the reality of the 9th century. The purpose of the painting was to strengthen the Hungarian national consciousness by deliberately manipulating history. | |||
:: Slovakia is part of NATO and supporting all of EU sanctions against Russia, what exactly should be added in the context of the War in Ukraine? ] (]) 20:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
The painting is not historically accurate in depicting the period described in the specific section of the article it is attached to. Therefore it is irrelevant to the article and that specific section. It is in-place in the article about Feszty, article about Hungarian art history etc. But it is not in place in article about Slovakia or any other article about 9th century history.] (]) 20:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Honestly, I don't see the problem with the painting. Of course it depicts "heroic figures in shining armor," it's a painting, not a photograph. Is your problem with the fact that it portrays the invading ] in a positive light? There are obviously no "neutral" pictures depicting that period in history. That painting is a whole lot better than nothing: it accurately (or at least semi-accurately) depicts clothing, weaponry, etc. --] (]) 12:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
::Well, my problem with it is, that it really deliberately manipulates the history with an obvious goal. I don't think a communist poster depicting early 20th century capitalists en bloc as archetypal greedy monsters would be appropriate in an article about Great Depression. Heroic Magyars in shining armor riding a white horse, beneath them a poor farmer with oxen. Don't tell me the roles and the purpose are not obvious. And it's almost as far from reality as you can get. "it accurately (or at least semi-accurately) depicts clothing, weaponry, etc." - that's something I really doubt. And if it even were true, the painting as whole has a clear political message and is suggestive and manipulative. I think artist's visions of that time period missing such a blatant political subtext can be easily found. | |||
::"That painting is a whole lot better than nothing" - and that's something I strongly disagree with. ] (]) 12:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::Looking over your edits, it appears that your contributions are almost universally aimed at removing Hungarian-related content, or modifying content to be more anti-Hungarian. This isn't, in itself, a problem (everyone has a POV,) but it makes your subjective value judgements ("suggestive and manipulative," "blatant political subtext") very suspect, in my eyes. | |||
:::In short, I think you're more prone to finding offense in Hungarian-themed works of art, contributions, etc. than what would be objectively merited. --] (]) 13:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC) |
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March 14, 1938
I am sorry I got stuck making this edit, but perhaps the editors can help. The problem with the original write up is that it is factually inaccurate and does not correspond to the referenced declaration of the Slovak Parliament. In the below I provide a new text, with two references: a Cambridge University Press book and an AEPress book, with detailed accounts of the participants of the events by a renowned historian.
Original: In the lead up to World War II, ...., Reference 11
Proposed: In the lead-up to World War II, Nazi Germany exploited the geopolitical situation, including the Munich Agreement, the pragmatism of the Western powers, and the fragility of the security situation in Slovakia, to pressure Slovak leaders to declare independence to establish the first Slovak Republic as a client state under its control.
References
- "The Slovak Dilemma". OUP. 2024-05-28.
- "Vznik Slovenského štátu. 14. marec 1939. Spomienky aktérov historických udalostí. 1. Diel". AEPRess (in Slovak). 2024-05-28.
Landlocked country, landlocked state
I would like to remove "landlocked country" remark, as it is the repetition of already mentioned landlocked state in the previous sentence. It doesn't sound good when same things are repeated several times. Can you just leave the word "country" instead. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denisademkova (talk • contribs) 16:03, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
History in Infobox
The country infobox serves to briefly provide basic information. The same is true for the part involving history. However, this is not currently the case in this article. This section does not show the basic historical events crucial to statehood, but the whole historical discourse. This is not right and no other country's Infobox has it. Note that there are 10 historical events with lots of parentheses and notes. Compared to Germany, which has a much longer statehood, for which 5 events are enough. Simply compared to any other country - this Infobox in wiki article about a country is crazy and unprecedented. Not to mention that there is a historical event about the state (Slovak state during WW2), to which the current Slovakia does not reference politically or legally, and therefore it is not an event in its statehood. Therefore, I perform standardization with really basic and key events, not the whole discourse.--Igec133 (talk) 07:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Opposite. If, it is very big problem for You, the section can be collapsed. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 08:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Opposite. Every country has different kind of history, you cant remove important facts in infobox about Slovak history to only few basic points, just because you dont like how many information it has. The infobox is without change for many months and it looks like you are the only one editor who has problem with that. You constantly removing map - Slovakia on the globe, informations about Slovak history and also even anthem from infobox (thats pure vandalism). Please stop with your disturbing edits. Peter11700 (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would also support removing the First Slovak Republic from the establishment history section. Croatia and Ukraine's articles don't include their respective Axis collaborationist governments in the establishment history section, so I don't see a reason to include a similar government in this page's infobox's establishment history section. CJ-Moki (talk) 02:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- Opposite. The First Slovak Republic didn't come to being as a result of a 'simple' ruling party change. It was the first Slovak country. Gyalu22 (talk) 13:40, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Foreign Relations section needs update
As of December 2024 the Foreign Relations section is somewhat out of date with no reference to the diplomatic support it is giving Russia in the context of the War in Ukraine. 91.84.189.190 (talk) 02:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Slovakia is part of NATO and supporting all of EU sanctions against Russia, what exactly should be added in the context of the War in Ukraine? Dasomm (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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