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== Nationality in lead ==
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Just noting, I like the recent revision to "American and naturalized-Polish journalist and historian". "Polish-American" really isn't right, as that term almost always refers to a US citizen of Polish ethnicity and is exceedingly rare as an indicator of dual citizenship. ] (]) 07:56, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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This topic has appeared numerous times over the years, but I would liek to state it conclusively, that whatever Applebaum may have written once about the Iraq war, it is not sufficient to list on this page. It goes against the guidelines, and so I am removing it. ] (]) 19:05, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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:Per ] please dont keep trying to add sections for Iraq, Israel or the Middle east. She has never written significantly about the region. ] (]) 13:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
==Obama Supporter?==
::Just noting my agreement. I've been reading Applebaum for 20+ years, and the Middle East / Israel / Iraq is just not a significant focus. Unless there is a shift in her writing in coming years, a section on this would be UNDUE. ] (]) 17:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hey, just letting you know I came here after hearing about Applebaum's . Perhaps it's significant enough to be addressed, as twice recently: once in a media interview, where she seems to not recall it, and again in a follow up note. ] (]) 15:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::In which she responds to a gotcha question about something she wrote more than two decades ago that she did not write the headline and "obviously I don't think media outlets should be killed or journalists are combatants." I don't see that Misplaced Pages should collaborate on efforts to inflate this decades-old by treating it as similar in importance to the work she spent months, years, and yes decades doing. ] (]) 03:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:Applebaum continues to write about the middle east. Here's her A synopsis of her work on the region would fit well in the "Positions" section. ] (]) 20:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::The collapse of Syrian government after Assad's "'''Russian''' backers began to transfer men and equipment to '''Ukraine''', starting in 2022" is closely related to AA's interest in Russia/Ukraine, not a generic excuse to drag in decades-old comments on a different topic. ] (]) 02:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Agreed. That article is less "on Syria" than on the implications of Assad's fall for Russia and other authoritarian regimes. It's not really even a plausible stretch to call it evidence of a focus on the middle east. ] (]) 04:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


== Section: Positions ==
In the Washington Post article referenced "Why McCain Lost Me" she does not mention that she is going to vote for Obama, only that she is not voting for McCain. Is that enough to conclude that she supports Obama. Nowhere does she state that in the article. Does she do that anywhere else? Did she even vote in the 2008 Presidential Elections? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I have not seen it anywhere else. In fact, in the essay "Why McCain Lost Me" she narely mentions Obama, and when she does, it is negative. --] (]) 14:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC) I removed the section -- preserving here by . My rationale was: "] based on subject's own writings & tagged since 2022". -- ] (]) 07:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
::She can't be Obama supporter as her husband - Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs as well as his government (and previous 2 governments) have been always very pro-Bush.


:I would like to revoke these changes.
== Possible conflict of interest ==
:a) Comparable peers of hers also have large sections on their views: ] ]. Here are historians and journalists who also has had TV appearances and articles which are then cited,

:b) Her position as a journalist and commentator justifies having a large views section.
{{user|Aapple6}} it appears may have a conflict of interest in this article. The user has cited material from the article, and also uncited info. I have alerted the user as to ], and if they are indeed connected to the subject, they should declare their COI, and follow ] guidelines in editing the article. --] <sup>]</sup> 17:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:c) Her more recent books and articles focus more heavily on the state of the world today, as opposed to European history.

:d) While most of the citations are of her own work, many also link in other papers and articles, and thus constitute 3rd sources. ] (]) 17:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
== Christian or Jewish ==
::I agree, so please restore this section. Per BRD, until such a major change gets consensus on the talk page, the original state of the article should continue. I agree the section could use improvement, however. ] (]) 05:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
The article presently states that she is Christian. I don't think that this is the case. The source is an article that cites her celebrating Christmas. Well, plenty of assimilated, non-religious Jews celebrate Christmas in some way. And if they happen to be married to conservative, Catholic Polish politicians, it's all the more likely that they would celebrate Christmas, at least as a family. However, I seem to recall Applebaum stating in ''Between East and West'' that she was Jewish. I read the book many years ago, and my library doesn't have a copy, so I can't verify this. But I thought there is an episode in the book where she has a discussion with a rabbi who challenges her on her Jewishness, and she pushes back. Does anyone else recall this? ] (]) 22:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I have restored it, but it could do with more work. Will look into that. ] (]) 13:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

::::Much of Applebaum's most well-knonw work is about the Soviet Union, not Russia per se. I am going to re-name that section accordingly. ] (]) 20:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
== Roman Polanski defense OpEds ==

A place to discuss/explain why some editors and contributors would like to see all references to Ms. Applebaums' Roman Polanski opinions removed. If you feel the POV is not neutral, make it so. More aources? Add them (four, as of this section creation, for one sentence). She wrote the opinions and stands behind them. If you don't like that they exist, talk to her. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:This is nothing to do with the number of sources, it is to do with the tone and what is actually written about Polanski. It also gives ] weight to one current incident. This sentence should not be in wikipedia, even if rewritten. ] (]) 02:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

:: She's written twice (check the refs) about it with no change in position. No conspiracies or axe to grind here. Explain why your opinion is more important than multiple contributors. Ms. Applebaum stands behind her published words. ] (]) 02:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Re: the tone. How is it not neutral? "controversial" had three sources added, one from Ms. Applebaum, to justify the word upon request. ] (]) 02:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Last addition until a response :-). I wanted to state that I would add a second sentence following up on any developments in the coming days or just go for run-on sentence gold. For now, it is what it is. Her spouse has similar views held just as strongly. Her co-workers do not share her view nor do the respondents to her OpEds (there are a couple who agree if you look hard enough). Peers are either distancing themselves from her or attacking her outright in the popular press. I was trying to avoid adding undue weight by tacking on explainations or further citations which, essentially, lambaste her POV, her person, and her spouse. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::The whole point of this addition is to slight Applebaum, see also the other addition by the IP that was removed. It does not say "defending Roman Polanski", it says "defending convicted statutory ....". This is not written in a ] way, as it implies Applebaum defends him no matter what, and does not explain her reasoning. Even so if it did explain her reasoning, it still has undue weight on one event. As for my opinion being more important than other contributors, if it does violate ] then one editors removal trumps multiple editors re-adding it. I have listed it on ] ] (]) 03:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::::It is not a slight. It states fact concisely and attempts to provide the reader with verifiable references. As far as Polanski, he actually is a convicted statutory rapist. He was convicted (not sentenced). It was statutory, not any other kind as far as the legal record is concerned. Are you saying he is not? That fact, coupled with his recent arrest, is the subject matter of the cited articles! The words of the author are there to read. I don't believe her POV or what she has said is in dispute? You continue to claim a non-WP:NPOV yet offer no alternatives, only immediate reverts of a BLP entry meeting key requirements (i.e. no need for immediate removal, only debate). You still haven't explained to me how it places undue weight on "one event." The event itself is immaterial, really, as Ms. Applebaum is a journalist and editor. She did not make off-the-cuff remarks that can be misinterpreted. The POV of a journalist writing in public news publications and editing same gives insight into their work. That's not undue weight, it's the authors views manifest in their written word. Unless the sole intent is to provide a simple resume, the views held by a writer (a civil society commentator, no less) are explicitly relevent. ] (]) 05:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

None of the 3 sources state that Applebaum's opinions specifically were "controversial": one is just her reply to readers, and the other 2 do not mention her at all. Secondly, characterizing Polanski as "convicted statutory rapist Roman Polanski" is probably undue weight as that is not what he is primarily known for, despite recent events. Finally, how is this particular opinion of Applebaum's notable? This is just one column from an extensive career? ] (]) 03:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
:I am going to read the revisions by Krakatoa and new refs before responding to your points. Please, if you or anyone else have an issue that is immediate try making the appropriate edits. Removing something entirely because of an undue weight claim is going to become a silly edit war. Leave the idea, leave good sources. Edit for POV. Debate the existence and come to some kind of concensus.

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Nationality in lead

Just noting, I like the recent revision to "American and naturalized-Polish journalist and historian". "Polish-American" really isn't right, as that term almost always refers to a US citizen of Polish ethnicity and is exceedingly rare as an indicator of dual citizenship. CAVincent (talk) 07:56, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Middle East

This topic has appeared numerous times over the years, but I would liek to state it conclusively, that whatever Applebaum may have written once about the Iraq war, it is not sufficient to list on this page. It goes against the guidelines, and so I am removing it. Sniper247 (talk) 19:05, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:UNDUE please dont keep trying to add sections for Iraq, Israel or the Middle east. She has never written significantly about the region. Sniper247 (talk) 13:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Just noting my agreement. I've been reading Applebaum for 20+ years, and the Middle East / Israel / Iraq is just not a significant focus. Unless there is a shift in her writing in coming years, a section on this would be UNDUE. CAVincent (talk) 17:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Hey, just letting you know I came here after hearing about Applebaum's opinions on Palestinian journalism. Perhaps it's significant enough to be addressed, as Applebaum has addressed it twice recently: once in a media interview, where she seems to not recall it, and again in a follow up note. Frybread (talk) 15:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
In which she responds to a gotcha question about something she wrote more than two decades ago that she did not write the headline and "obviously I don't think media outlets should be killed or journalists are combatants." I don't see that Misplaced Pages should collaborate on efforts to inflate this decades-old by treating it as similar in importance to the work she spent months, years, and yes decades doing. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Applebaum continues to write about the middle east. Here's her latest article on Syria. A synopsis of her work on the region would fit well in the "Positions" section. Frybread (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
The collapse of Syrian government after Assad's "Russian backers began to transfer men and equipment to Ukraine, starting in 2022" is closely related to AA's interest in Russia/Ukraine, not a generic excuse to drag in decades-old comments on a different topic. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Agreed. That article is less "on Syria" than on the implications of Assad's fall for Russia and other authoritarian regimes. It's not really even a plausible stretch to call it evidence of a focus on the middle east. CAVincent (talk) 04:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Section: Positions

I removed the section -- preserving here by providing this link. My rationale was: "WP:OR based on subject's own writings & tagged since 2022". -- K.e.coffman (talk) 07:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I would like to revoke these changes.
a) Comparable peers of hers also have large sections on their views: https://en.wikipedia.org/Timothy_Snyder https://en.wikipedia.org/Francis_Fukuyama. Here are historians and journalists who also has had TV appearances and articles which are then cited,
b) Her position as a journalist and commentator justifies having a large views section.
c) Her more recent books and articles focus more heavily on the state of the world today, as opposed to European history.
d) While most of the citations are of her own work, many also link in other papers and articles, and thus constitute 3rd sources. Sniper247 (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
I agree, so please restore this section. Per BRD, until such a major change gets consensus on the talk page, the original state of the article should continue. I agree the section could use improvement, however. HouseOfChange (talk) 05:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
I have restored it, but it could do with more work. Will look into that. Sniper247 (talk) 13:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Much of Applebaum's most well-knonw work is about the Soviet Union, not Russia per se. I am going to re-name that section accordingly. HouseOfChange (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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