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			== Ghazi ==
	''' Murad II ''' was the ] of the ] from ] to ] (except a period in ] to ]). He took back the territories in ] that were lost to ] in the ] in ], and the territories in ] that were lost to ] and ] during the ].
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	was plagiarized from:
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			{{ping\|Surtsicna}} what's your problem with the title Ghazi? There is an entire book (''Ghazavatname'') about him. If you mean succession, learn the difference. ] (]) 18:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
	No, nationmaster.com has plagiarized Misplaced Pages (of course not, since Misplaced Pages is a free resource...) --] 09:21, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
			:It is not a substantive title. The title parameter is for substantive titles. See ]. ] (]) 18:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

			== 2.5 million ducats ==

			This text: “ In 1432, the traveller Bertrandon de la Broquière noted that Ottoman annual revenue had increased to 2,500,000 ducats.”

			# Does not belong in the lede as it is not summarizing anything from the article body
			# Is based on a source from 1972
			# Is meaningless without context. There was some context there but it was along the lines of “with that money he could’ve conquered all of Europe if he had only wanted” which was obviously false and sketchy
			# Doesn’t inform the reader of much of anything. Who’s gonna know how much 2.5 million ducats was worth? How did it compare to the treasuries of other kings, sultans, rulers? It’s just a claim someone found and felt compelled to spam into Misplaced Pages.

			<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 15:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

			:That whole paragraph is from one source. {{tq\|Is based on a source from 1972}} yeah my apologises that Halil Inalcik couldn't write this in 2024, if it would make much difference. {{tq\|with that money he could’ve conquered all of Europe if he had only wanted}} I removed that statement, you're right. {{tq\|Doesn’t inform the reader of much of anything}} how so? It says {{tq\|Murad II's reign saw a period of great economic development, with an increase in trade and a considerable expansion of Ottoman cities}} and it gives about its economy. Maybe reader can click ] article to read more? {{tq\|How did it compare to the treasuries of other kings, sultans, rulers}} why should we talk on ] article about other rulers? this book is about Ottoman Empire, doesn't talk about other rulers. Also claim? It's a secondary source based on primary source from that period, which makes it ] and stop calling calling reliable sourced contribution spam. ] (]) 15:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
			::Also moved below, you might be right about lead. ] (]) 15:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::Alright, as long as it’s not in the lede, I’m good with it. Thank you.<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 17:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Ghazi

@Surtsicna: what's your problem with the title Ghazi? There is an entire book (Ghazavatname) about him. If you mean succession, learn the difference. Beshogur (talk) 18:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

It is not a substantive title. The title parameter is for substantive titles. See Template:Infobox royalty/doc. Surtsicna (talk) 18:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

2.5 million ducats

This text: “ In 1432, the traveller Bertrandon de la Broquière noted that Ottoman annual revenue had increased to 2,500,000 ducats.”

Does not belong in the lede as it is not summarizing anything from the article body
Is based on a source from 1972
Is meaningless without context. There was some context there but it was along the lines of “with that money he could’ve conquered all of Europe if he had only wanted” which was obviously false and sketchy
Doesn’t inform the reader of much of anything. Who’s gonna know how much 2.5 million ducats was worth? How did it compare to the treasuries of other kings, sultans, rulers? It’s just a claim someone found and felt compelled to spam into Misplaced Pages.

Volunteer Marek 15:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

That whole paragraph is from one source. Is based on a source from 1972 yeah my apologises that Halil Inalcik couldn't write this in 2024, if it would make much difference. with that money he could’ve conquered all of Europe if he had only wanted I removed that statement, you're right. Doesn’t inform the reader of much of anything how so? It says Murad II's reign saw a period of great economic development, with an increase in trade and a considerable expansion of Ottoman cities and it gives about its economy. Maybe reader can click ducat article to read more? How did it compare to the treasuries of other kings, sultans, rulers why should we talk on Murad II article about other rulers? this book is about Ottoman Empire, doesn't talk about other rulers. Also claim? It's a secondary source based on primary source from that period, which makes it WP:RS and stop calling calling reliable sourced contribution spam. Beshogur (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Also moved below, you might be right about lead. Beshogur (talk) 15:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright, as long as it’s not in the lede, I’m good with it. Thank you. Volunteer Marek 17:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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