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==Puerto Rican Freemasons== |
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Would it be possible to add a section/category of Puerto Rican Freemasons (Masones) to the list. Freemasonry has been a important ideology in a big number of our more notable Puerto Ricans. Currently a Misplaced Pages article have been created to this effects (List of Puerto Rican Freemasons) but unfortunately is in discussion to be deleted. Any help to keep the current page or to merge it to this one will be great!!!--] (]) 22:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC) |
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*In my opinion adding a "Freemasons" section would not be proper. You see in this list, those who are listed are placed in the field in which they became notable. If we added a "Freemasons" section, then the names placed in that section would have to be Puerto Ricans who became notable because of their work as Freemasons and not because they are notable people who happened to be Freemasons. An example is Betances whose notability resides on the fact that he was a great revolutionary leader who planned the revolt which became known as "El Grito de Lares" and therefore his name is placed under the "Politician" section. Betances was also a Freemason, however as a "Freemason" he was not notable. Now, what you can do is add the names of notable Puerto Ricans to the current ] because that list, unlike the List of Puerto Ricans, only requires that the person be notable and does not require that person be notable because of his/her work as a Freemason. ] (]) 18:46, 6 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Great '''work'''. The Best List On Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 11:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*Thank you from all of us who manage this list. ] (]) 18:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Anyone who has an edit request, please let us know the details and if the request is a valid one it will be done. Thank you. ] (]) 17:10, 5 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from Mihkelis, 28 December 2010 == |
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Laureano, Gustavo (La Secta Allstar)<br> |
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Kilpatrick, Mark (La Secta Allstar)<br> |
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Genao, Mike (La Secta Allstar)<br> |
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] (]) 08:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:{{ESp|nfn}} Please provide ] for these additions. <small>(I added <nowiki><br>eaks</nowiki> to the above list)</small> ]<sup>(]•])</sup> 11:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Edit notice == |
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Regular contributors to this page might consider implementing an ] in lieu of the instructions in the second paragraph and at the top of each section. Such instructions for contributors don't really belong in the article itself, which could be replicated outside of Misplaced Pages. There doesn't seem to be a specific system for requesting an admin to create an edit notice, but presumably {{tl|adminhelp}} could be used, or it could be requested at ]. ]<sup>(]•])</sup> 11:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from Mopcambm, 15 January 2011 == |
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Dr.Eduardo Pagan, Host of PBS show "History Detectives" (Puerto Rican Grandfather) |
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I am very new to editing info on Misplaced Pages, but Eduardo is also an author, having written the books, "Murder at the Sleepy Lagoon--Zoot Suits, Race, and Riot in Wartime L.A.", "Historic Photos of Phoenix", and "Remembering Phoenix". He received his Doctorate in History from Princeton University. |
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Please update your page to include him. (We have the same Puerto Rican Grandfather from Guayanilla.) |
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] (]) 05:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC) |
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{{ESp|rs}} His states that he was born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona. Without a reliable source to confirm that he is Puerto Rican, we can't add it to the article. The best thing to do would be, if you can verify with a reliable source that he is Puerto Rican, to add that source and info to his article (]), then come make another request here. Just to clarify, we cannot accept your personal claim that you share relatives, as Misplaced Pages requires all info to be ] in reliable sources; this requirement is extra strict for information about ]. ] (]) 06:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from 97.106.241.225, 20 January 2011 == |
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Leon, Ray Reyes |
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] (]) 03:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC) |
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{{ESp|d}} I assume you mean ]; I don't see any mention of "Leon" in his name on his wikipage. ] (]) 04:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from Mopcambm, 22 January 2011 == |
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This is my second request. Can you please list Dr. Eduardo Pagan, Historian and host of PBS show "History Detectives" (going into its 8th season I believe). Dr. Pagan has also authored 3 books--Remembering Phoenix, Historic Photos of Phoenix, and Murder at the Sleepy Lagoon (zoot suit and race riots in wartime LA). He received his doctorate at Princeton. His grandfather, Juan De La Cruz Irizarry Pagan, came to the US from Guayanilla, Puerto Rico where his family owned tobacco fields. Eduardo is my brother and I personally knew my grandfather before he passed away, and we recently returned from Puerto Rico to visit the relatives. If you could link onto ancestry.com or family search and type in both names, they would prove the relation. We have a copy of my grandfathers birth certificate if there was any way to send it to you. Let us know. |
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] (]) 19:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:{{ESp|rs}} |
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:As I look at the ], I see there is only one person listed (]) who had a Puerto Rican grand-anything (father or mother, but grandfather in the case of Prinze). So I am led to make a comparison between the two for the sake of fairness and as a criteria for inclusion (and this basically means, well if we have Prinze in the list why not have ] also?). |
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:I notice that Prinze's wiki article provides sources that state that Prinze embraces his Puerto Rican heritage; yet I notice Pagan's article mentions nothing that would link him to his Puerto Rican heritage (other than, of course, that his grandfather, like Prinze's, was Puerto Rican). I also notice that Prinze is fluent in Spanish; but nowhere does the Pagan article says anything about Pagan being bilingual in Spanish. Third, I notice Prize's article states, agaun with citation, that Prinze spent his childhood summers in Puerto Rico, but again nothing in Pagan's article leads us to believe that Pagan has a connection with Puerto Rican culture. |
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:So I think the problem with including Pagan in the list of Puerto Ricans is that,,,well,,, that he doesn't seem to be Puerto Rican. There is in the English Misplaced Pages an article called ], and since Pagan is a writer with a clear Native American background that may be an appropriate list to add Pagan to. (There is also another one called ] to consider.) In fact, in watching video, Pagan himself admits that "my first story had a very special connection to me...some of my ancestors roamed with Pancho Villa." It could be argued that "well yes, it says ''some'' of my ancestors, not my ancestors in general". However, the other story h that Pagan showcases is also from the Native American southwest (on a certain handwoven rug). Nowhere does it show (prominently or otherwise) that Pagan has any special interest in his Puerto Rican blood-line. Also nowhere in PBS's Pagan biography (a text separate from the video above) does it mention Puerto Rican anything about Pagan, but does mention his Native American heritage quite prominently. |
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:As a side note, please note that a birth certificate is not a preferred source of information as it is considered a and not a secondary or tertiary source. |
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:Thus, my position is that this edit request not be granted as the requestor has failed to show that Pagan is Puerto Rican. |
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:'''My name is ] (]) 20:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC), and I approve this message.''' |
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::As the above people said, and I myself said, you need proof in the form of reliable sources. I know this sounds strange, as you know "for a fact" that he is Puerto Rican based on your shared ancestry. But, try to look at it from our perspective: how can we (other Misplaced Pages editors) know that you are who you claim to be? This is why Misplaced Pages doesn't allow first hand evidence. In fact, even if Pagan himself came here, and even if he proved who he was, we still probably wouldn't be able to include him on this list without a reliable source proving his ancestry. Apologies, but unless you can provide us with such a source, he cannot be added to this list. ] (]) 15:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit Request, 28 January 2011 == |
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Could someone with edit access please add "Raffucci, Luis Fernando", the famous poet whose patisserie was once a center of revolutionary activity in San Juan. I believe his entry would best be in section 3, "Authors, playwrights and poets". Thanks <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Can I be on the list? == |
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Since the article isn't titled "List of notable Puerto Ricans" instead titled "List of Puerto Ricans" and seeing that I am in fact a Puerto Rican, I believe it is acceptable for me, my mother, my father, my brothers, sisters, cousins and friends to all be on this list. At least, according to the article title. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">]] <big><sup>]</sup></big></span> 00:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC) |
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*I once named it "notable" becuase I am in complete agreement with you, but some people didn't go for it. What I'm going to do is set up a consensus for the change. ] (]) 01:12, 3 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed renaming of the article below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this page.'' |
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The result was '''Rename page to "List of notable Puerto Ricans"''' '''] (]) 20:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)'''. |
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===Consensus=== |
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It has been suggested that the "'''List of Puerto Ricans'''" be moved and renamed "'''List of notable Puerto Ricans'''". The current name reflects a misleading title since it is politcally incoreect and may lead to the misconception that any Puerto Rican may be included regardless of the explanation given in the introduction. Misplaced Pages does not allow that the term "famous" be used since that term depends on the perspective of what an individual may consider what the term "famous" means, however the term "notable" is widely accepted by Misplaced Pages since there is an established criteria of the meaning of the term and there are variuos "lists" in Misplaced Pages which currently use the term notable. Therefore, I am calling on a 7 day consensus as to the renaming of the current list to "'''List of notable Puerto Ricans'''". |
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*Please participate in the voting. |
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1. If you desire for the list to be renamed "'''List of notable Puerto Ricans'''", vote "'''Rename'''". |
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2. If you wish for the list title to remain as it is, vote "'''Keep as is'''". |
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'''Vote''' |
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*'''Rename'''- ] (]) 17:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC) |
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* '''Rename''' - ] (]) 17:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC) |
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* '''Rename'''--] (]) 18:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC) |
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* '''Rename''' - Thank God this is finally happening. As you can see, ]. My main issue is that there are other articles that have the same problem such as ] and ]. Although we are mainly "Puerto Rico-based" editors, we should try and find a consensus to affect all lists of distinguished individuals. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">]] <big><sup>]</sup></big></span> 01:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC) |
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* '''Rename'''-] (]) 02:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC) |
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* '''Rename''' ]] 03:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep as is''' None of the other "Lists of" have the "notable" in the article's name. Misplaced Pages has guidelines on notability (see ]) for inclusion on articles. No need to point out the obvious. ] (]) 13:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC) |
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::You're obviously someone who likes to quote around guidelines without actually reading them. The notability guideline judges what gets an article, not the article content itself. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">]] <big><sup>]</sup></big></span> 19:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC) |
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* '''Rename.''' The suggested new name is the lesser of 2 "evils" ! ] (]) 05:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from Salvadorcabezon, 15 February 2011 == |
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== adding famous actress == |
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René Pérez Joglar (singer of Calle 13 (reggaeton famous band)) http://en.wikipedia.org/Calle_13_(band) |
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Omar Rodriguez lopez (singer of The Mars Volta) Omar Rodríguez-López |
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Nydia Rodríguez Terracina hosted a world-wide English Speaking Talk Show called The Minority Business Report for 10 years. She is a well-known actress with principal speaking roles in THE DARK KNIGHT, Code of Silence, Above the Law, Backdraft, Richie Rich, My Best Friends Wedding, Nothing Like The Holidays, Prelude to a Kiss (foreign version), Folks, The Breakup, Chain Reaction, and TV principal Roles in The Untouchables Part 1 and 2, Empire City, Unsolved Mysteries, First Edition, Hope, and more. Look her up in IMBD Nydia Rodríguez Terracina born in Puerto Rico. Active Member of the Screen Actors Guild and American Federation Radio and TV Artist since 1972 |
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{{ESp|d}} I added Joglar; Rodriguez-Lopez is already on the list. ] (]) 07:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC) |
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Nuestro Award for First Hispanic Local Actor in American Feature Film. ] (]) 15:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from Nosferican, 20 February 2011 == |
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I would like to add ] to the list but not sure what category to include him under. Teodoro Vidal Santoni (1923–2016) was a Puerto Rican government official, art historian, and folklorist who collected Puerto Rican art.----] (]) 04:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Former PR Attorney General, ''2008 NPP candidate for Resident Commissioner''. to: |
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Former PR Attorney General, ''Resident Commissioner since 2008-present''. |
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because he won the 2008 election and is currently serving: http://www.pierluisi.house.gov/ |
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] (]) 02:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:I will place him under ], but perhaps there is a better section?----] (]) 05:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC) |
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* What has Pierluisi done that is "notable" other than winning the election? What he a "first" at something notable? I don't believe we list every PR politician that ever won an election into Congress in this "List of Notables." I would argue that until Pieruisi achieves something notable his name belongs more appropiately in a "List of Puerto Rican politians" somewhere and not in a list of Notables. ] (]) 03:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC) |
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== Jorge Otero Barreto == |
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{{ESp|d}} Since the person is already listed, it is only correct for him the information to be current. As to whether or not the person is notable enough, that's a different issue which you can debate; however, since he is one of the highest ranking politicians in Puerto Rico currently, it seems hard to argue he shouldn't be included. ] (]) 12:51, 20 February 2011 (UTC) |
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] we have had this discussion: already at ] he is '''not''' the "the most decorated U.S. soldier of the Vietnam War" whatever a few non-RS may say. You can restore my edit or change it to "the most decorated Puerto Rican soldier of the Vietnam War." ] (]) 02:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC) |
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*It has by sources that he is the most decorated Vietnam War. However, I believe that your suggestion is a good and valet one.] (]) 01:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::No RS say that he is the most decorated Vietnam War veteran, that issue is closed. ] (]) 04:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Norma Maldonado Puerto Rican actress, artist known for Mad Men, Love Bites, El Tio Sam, General Hospital. |
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Jose Luis was an actor and commedian from Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. Felicio was one of the pioneers of sports education in Puerto Rico. coach, and President of the Puerto Rico Olympic Committee. ] (]) 16:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}} can't verify whether ] is Puerto Rican or not, no sources exist at that article (or any I could find) to verify that, so per ] a reference can't be added. She might not be notable enough to be included on this list anyway. -- ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 12:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Nydia Rodríguez Terracina hosted a world-wide English Speaking Talk Show called The Minority Business Report for 10 years. She is a well-known actress with principal speaking roles in THE DARK KNIGHT, Code of Silence, Above the Law, Backdraft, Richie Rich, My Best Friends Wedding, Nothing Like The Holidays, Prelude to a Kiss (foreign version), Folks, The Breakup, Chain Reaction, and TV principal Roles in The Untouchables Part 1 and 2, Empire City, Unsolved Mysteries, First Edition, Hope, and more. Look her up in IMBD Nydia Rodríguez Terracina born in Puerto Rico. Active Member of the Screen Actors Guild and American Federation Radio and TV Artist since 1972
Nuestro Award for First Hispanic Local Actor in American Feature Film. 2601:248:104:8910:85CB:C898:FB7C:8670 (talk) 15:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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