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== South Bronx notables ==

In , you added entries for ], ] and ] as notables. None of these entries have sources added to connect them to the South Bronx and none of the articles mention The Bronx in any way, let alone the South Bronx, with Negroni and Herman Santiago being placed in Manhattan. Is there a reason why they should be added as notables in the absence of any sourcing or mention in their articles. ] (]) 14:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi. Are the first and second references in this article the same? I don't have access to the offline one, but they are boot written by the same author and published on the same newspaper at the same date. Or have you made some confusion? Thanks, --] 01:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
*Fixed, The NYT article changed the name of the article from "Chronicle" to "Style". It was of no wonder that the "Chronicle" link could not be found. ] (]) 02:09, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


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Hi, Tony. Given the problems with the OTRS ticket, I've listed this file at PuF. You'll find it here: ]. I'm afraid that regardless of the outcome of the template up for TfD, the image has issues that need to be addressed if it is to be retained. --] <sup>]</sup> 23:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
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:Hi, Tony. Thanks for your note. I know it was approved based on the letter. You went out of your way to get that permission, and it was done and accepted in all good faith, but I'm afraid that once our attorney reviewed the letter, he said we could not accept it because he did not believe that the letter would be legally sufficient for the Wikimedia Foundation. This all came up around the time of your surgery. I tried to inform you without bugging you, but I can see now that I didn't explain well enough at the time. We won't be able to use that letter from McClintock to retain any images, but have to look at ''each'' image to see where it originated. I ''am'' sorry; you did everything right. The problem is in the letter itself, not in your approach. (That said, it can be very helpful if you ask for permission in the future to just point people to ] and ask them to copy & paste it, with the necessary changes. If they'll do that, it'll save a lot of trouble in the long run because it covers every point we need.) --] <sup>]</sup> 12:49, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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Re and , you appear to be ]. Please revert. ] (]) 01:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
*I will not revert and I am not canvassing. I am not asking anyone to be in favor or against. I am not asking for votes, but for opinions be it in favor to my opinion or not. ] (]) 02:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, your contributions are mentioned in a thread at the ANI - ] - thanks - ] (]) 17:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC) --] via ] (]) 04:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Tony, please explain edit before you do anything else. If it's what I think it is, you really need to apologize, promise not to do that again, and think about taking a break from here for a while. If it's not, you need to explain it, because it certainly seems obvious to me. Please be aware that "S was just a random letter I put in" isn't really going to be tenable. If the truth is "it represents a real person, but I did it that way so I'd know who it was, and they'd know who it was, but I could have plausible deniabiltity if called on it", then it's definitely better to just man up and say so. --] (]) 18:55, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


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You are a man of many talents. Beneath the incredible contributions you have made here and continue to make, you are human. That means you are imperfect. Even ArbCom recognizes that people make mistakes from time to time. Bruhahas have a way of exploding over the silliest of things sometimes, like the above mentioned "S". Misplaced Pages at times seems especially prone to the sort of behavior that makes the tiniest of disputes into ]. You can't be everything to all people. No matter what you do, some people will find fault.
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Relax, take a deep breath, and remember there are a hell of a lot of people here who think the world of you and your contributions. --] (]) 20:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
*Thank you, your advice means the world to me. ] (]) 20:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


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Hi Tony. I don't know if we have ever crossed paths before, but I observed the thread about you on ANI. ScottyBerg wishes to file a ] or ], but is having some difficulty finding a second valid certifier. I'm sure you can understand why that may be. I was hoping that you would be willing to waive that requirement, so that proper dispute resolution (aka, not ]) can commence. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 02:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
*Suunday, June 2 '''] (])'''.
*NW, thank you for your message. NW, you may not be aware, but my health is not in the beat condition. I suffered a double bypass last April. When I recovered I created 11 articles for Misplaced Pages. Everything was fine until I mistakenly protected "Irish immigration to Puerto Rico". Since then Scotty has been givimg me hell. As you have noticed in the noticeboard they have created an unfounded hysteria because I in bad taste jokenly created a "Wall of Dishonor" and right away Scotty is making a false claim that I had him in mind. They are using this as a base to attack me. I have apologized countless times for my actions and that does not seem as enough. I'm sorry, but let Scotty and Hans take whatever action they want, I'm too tried physically to put up with all this. ] (]) 02:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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:You are under no obligation to participate in an RfC if you don't want to. What NW asked is if you'd waive the certification requirement (assuming you have the power to do so). You haven't responded to that. Will you? ] (]) 03:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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::I sorry, but I believe that you can find someone else to help you in your quest. I have been acussed of being a liar, a time bomb, a killer and so on. I'm just a little tired of it all. ] (]) 03:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Tony, if your health is a serious problem, why not just take some time off from Misplaced Pages, let's say a week or two? I don't want to see ScottyBerg or anyone else contribute to your elevated stress level. Stay healthy, and if that means taking a Wikibreak, then make it so. Think about how many good books you can finish within that time frame! :) ] (]) 06:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Tony, I think you've done a lot of good work for Misplaced Pages, but I think you've taken it a little too personally sometimes when someone disagreed with you on content, like in the Irish immmigration to Puerto Rico article. Please accept the feedback you have received recently at that article, on the noticeboard, and at ANI and get back to good, strong, content contributions. ] (]) 07:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
: Tony, how do you think ] would go today? What's changed? Why would your answers to the few questions be so different? What the hell happened? (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 11:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:: ...and is pretty much going to be the end of things, I'm afraid. (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 14:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


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== Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic ==
== Proposed conciliation ==


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Tony, please take this as a sincere suggestion. Would you voluntary give up your admin bit. If you think carefully, you don't really need it. You're a great content contributor, but that does not mean the community should ''punish'' you by giving you unneeded responsibility, that seems to bring you more problems than solutions. Writing about subjects you love is fun. Fighting vandalism, resolving disputes, enforcing image polices is not.
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Why be the worst admin if you can simply be the best editor?
All are welcome, new and experienced!


Bring a picnic blanket and some ], as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide sandwiches for everyone, and maybe some NYC pizza too, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those ] you would like to improve on Misplaced Pages.
Think about it.


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Yours truly, Robert-François - aka --] 15:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
*Damiens, believe or not I consider you an excellent person and I am not ashamed to say that I have learned a lot form you. I will think about it. ] (]) 18:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


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Hello,
I am talking with you to see if it is at all possible to reach a resolution to ] without going to ArbCom or an RfC. I would like to say that I do believe that some of the comments about you in that discussion were completely inappropriate. But that doesn't mean things can just be left as they are. You've acknowledged that at least some of the actions discussed were wrong, but the manner and time it took for you to do so have caused many of us to feel that it is no longer proper for you to have the tools. So I am writing to ask that you take and voluntarily hand in your tools and, if you wish to do so, stand for RfA again. If you have any kind of alternate proposal for resolution, I would be happy to hear it. Best, ] &bull; ] 18:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
*Thank yoyu for your message. I will think about it. ] (]) 18:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:* Tony ... think quickly; once it goes to court-martial, it's all downhill and ugly from there. (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 19:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::*Hello Tony, I'd like to second what Mahewa suggested. And I'd like to add that I've felt some disgust toward those who attacked you personally, and especially for badgering you on your military service and status as a war veteran. I've also refused to block you for your actions, I don't think anyone should be "punished" in that way. Giving up the tools is a difficult thing to do, it would break my heart if I felt the need to do so myself, but in light of all that has happened and the numerous comments from a multitude of editors, I think it would be the best thing. If nothing else, I think it will be difficult for you to act as an administrator given the lack of confidence that many people have expressed. I just think it's the right thing for you to do, and I'd have a great deal of respect for anyone who was able to make that difficult decision. -- ''']'''] 19:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::::I'd like to say that I agree with Atama's additional points completely (except for the block issue, which I haven't considered because it's not within my power). I don't want or expect you to make a snap decision. We'll need a decision some time in the near future, but that doesn't mean it needs to be made immediately or without due consideration. You have put in a lot of time and energy into the project and rightfully received the tools as a result. I cannot imagine this is an easy time for you. It's a decision you have to make for yourself as to what the best way to proceed is. ] &bull; ] 19:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
*Even though the thread is closed, I feel that I should hold myself accountable for my mistakes, therefore I am auto imposing upon myself a probation of one year where I will not use my admin. tools and in which my behavior will be monitored by User: Atama. Any concerns which require admin. intervention, feel free to use the services of another admin. ] (]) 23:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you for taking proactive steps and looking for a compromise. I genuinely appreciate it. I was wondering if you would be willing to go one step farther to help people feel as though this issue is closed with no need for monitoring. Would you be willing to actually have your tools removed for the one-year period? I realize that, generally, an administrator can only come back from a voluntary absence if he began the absence without controversy, so we might not be able to do this. But I'm not really concerned with the procedure or ability for it to happen at this point. All I'm asking is, if your tools could be removed for the one-year period, would you consent to that happening? Thank you again. ] &bull; ] 23:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:::If you voluntarily request tool removal, ] gives you an option to request them again at a later date. -- ''']'''] 23:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::::I would suggest RESYSOP doesn't apply here because of criterion 2. ]] (]) 23:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::I would disagree, because doing it for this set amount of time isn't evading scrutiny, it's coming to a mutually agreeable resolution, which is really what we're supposed to try for in dispute resolution. But this is exactly the discussion I was hoping to avoid. It's important to me to know whether he would or would not be willing to take this additional step. If he is, we can look into whether it's possible, and it may not be, but that doesn't really matter if he wouldn't do it in the first place. ] &bull; ] 00:11, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
*Thank you all for the suggestions. If I fail to live up to the rules in my auto imposed probation, then I will do the honorable thing and give them up altogether. ] (]) 00:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
::I just want to make sure that I am understanding correctly that you are replying in the negative. You are willing to promise to not use the tools for a year, but you would not consent to them actually being removed from your account? I'm not trying to argue with your decision. It's just that those deciding whether or not to proceed with an RfC need to know exactly where things lie. Thank you. ] &bull; ] 00:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


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These are my numbers: 7 years in Misplaced Pages, 6 years as an admin, 570+ articles, 4 featured articles, 1 featured list, 21 Good articles, 60 DYK's - After six years as an admin. I recently made some mistakes and I can understand if I am placed in some type of probation were I am monitored and forbidden to use my tools maybe for a year, but do I really merit the removal of my adminship? ] (]) 00:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
::I'm not here arguing about whether you should lose your adminship. I am certainly not contesting the fact that you've made substantial, valuable contributions to Misplaced Pages. I am only asking whether, if it is possible, you would be willing to set this matter to rest by having your promise to not use the tools for a year enforced by a bureaucrat rather than your good faith (I understand others might monitor you, but they wouldn't actually be able to do anything more than calling you on it, which would again come down to your good faith). And I understand if your answer is no. I just want to make sure that everyone can know exactly where things stand before making any decisions. ] &bull; ] 01:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
*I would not mind if a bureaucrat monitored my actions to make sure that I am keeping my promise. ] (]) 01:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry Tony, I'm trying hard to understand here; I really feel like we can get a solution that's amicable to both sides. I'm not sure I understand why you are being resistant to this proposal. From my perspective, it differs from yours only in that you won't be able to break your promise. I know you're planning on keeping your promise, though, so I feel like I'm missing something. I'd like to understand. And if you don't want to explain it to me, that's your choice. But please just give me a straightforward answer. ] &bull; ] 02:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
*I guess I must have misunderstood, sorry for that. Exactly what do you mean by having my promise to not use the tools for a year enforced by a bureaucrat? ] (]) 02:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, that was a lack of clarity on my part. What I meant by that is what I originally proposed, having a bureaucrat enforce your promise by removing your tools for the year. Would you consent to that? ] &bull; ] 02:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Just an FYI, a bureaucrat has no ability to remove the tools from an administrator. They can grant them, but not take them away, only a steward can take them away. (There is ] which would change that, but for now, a crat can't do it.) -- ''']'''] 16:00, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
::::My apologies, I realized that oddity after I saw the RfCs, which will probably soon be an anachronism. But my underlying point stays the same and is somewhat strengthened if the RfCs don't pass. The likelihood of any effective enforcement if he does not give up his tools and chooses to use them is practically nothing. ] &bull; ] 17:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
*I understand now, I would rather auto impose upon myself a probation of one year where I will not use my admin. tools. As I said I'm willingto have anyone monitor my behavior during tha t time. I believe that this should not be dificult task since there are 99 people who have my pages on their watch list watching my every move. ] (]) 02:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
*:If you're really going to keep the tools, consider taking this ''vacation'' time to study the policies and guidelines. I'm mean it. You've been an administrator for a long time and maybe stuff had changed too fast. Take some real good time to get updated not only with ] and ] (where your actions had recently been questioned), but also ], ], ], ] and of course ] (even if you don't plan to enforce image policy, you plan to upload and use files).
*:Take this advice sincerely. This is not random list of polices. But the ones I believe would improve the most the article you write. --] 15:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
*Advice well taken, not a bad idea to check into all the updates. ] (]) 19:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


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== June 26: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC ==
Scotty, I would like to propose that we leave our hostilities and diferences behind. I mean, we are both New Yorkers and as such we can get a little hot-headed. I think that it would be in the best interest of Misplaced Pages, a project which we both enjoy working at. We at times have offended each other and on my behalf I would like to apologize. In regard to the "Wall of Dishonor", a joke of bad taste, the "S" was not meant for you, this I swear. So, what do you say, truce? ] (]) 02:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
:Are you saying that Scotty was being "hot-headed"? If so, can you please tell us what Scotty did that was "hot-headed"? ] (]) 02:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
**Look this a peace offing directed at Scotty and is not intended to start an arguement. We New Yorkers are a little hot-headed is just a saying that's all. ] (]) 02:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


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:(ec) Understood and appreciated. Tony, a tombstone with my initial on it is not the worst insult I have received in my life, and I don't take it, or anything you've done, personally, so I don't think a "truce" is necessary. Apart from that, which I didn't appreciate but hold no grudge concerning, you've never done anything to me personally. You surely also know that we don't generally edit in the same areas, except in situations where I feel policy has been disregarded (OR, COI, etc.) I do regret that you have indeed taken some things I've done personally, such as my nominating for deletion the article about you, and I urge you to put that behind you.
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: My concern about you as an administrator is not personal but concerns your unwillingness over a long period of time to abide by and apply site policies. I was, for instance, baffled that you insisted that you could discern a person's ancestry by his or her name when it had just been established (in the list discussion) that doing so violates OR and possibly BLP. Thus I had to file a second content RfC on the same basic issue. My concern is compounded by your view that you have only made "mistakes," a term that implies a lesser degree of difficulty than has been encountered. I must tell you that I haven't seen sufficient understanding of the gravity of your misjudgments. I do not understand, for instance, how you could possibly use your tools in a content dispute. Your viewing that content dispute as "vandalism" only compounds my worries.


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:I appreciate your offer to not use your tools for a year, but I think that you should seriously consider giving up your tools, preferably for good but certainly at least for the year you propose. You have no need of them, and frankly you have demonstrated you should not have them. I apologize for my bluntness, but that is my opinion. I think that article writing and administration are two not necessarily complimentary disciplines. It is the same in RL. In RL I have tried managing, and I am not good at it. Administrating at Misplaced Pages is a burden that does not interest me. If I had it, and I was found wanting, I would want to be rid of it. I strongly recommend that you rid yourself of this unnecessary burden. Thanks for your note, and I do appreciate your conciliatory tone. Respectfully, ] (]) 02:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
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:May I make another point if you don't mind? You can delete this if you feel it's out of line, as it does not really concern you. In my eighteen or so months at Misplaced Pages I have seen many instances in which administrators have abused their position. Ordinary editors like myself have no recourse in such situations. The administrator noticeboards are not friendly places, not welcoming to editors with grievances against administrators. Or they can turn like vipers into kangaroo courts of the administrators involved. There is no easy non-drama mechanism to remove an administrator who should not have his tools, whether due to misbehavior, COI, or sheer incompetence.
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:The result is that problems with administrators fester. Things escalate. Often they culminate in enormous battles that waste the time of all concerned and cause stress. If there was a simple mechanism for removal of administrators, it would be better for all concerned but especially the administrator who needs to give up his tools for his own benefit.


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:That underlines my belief that administrators in general (not just you) need not to view their tools as some gift to which to cling. It underlines somewhat why my position on your tools may seem hard to you. It is a burden that they need to unload when it becomes obvious that that having it creates more of a burden than not having it. It is not a gift but a curse for some administrators because of the structural issue that makes all administrators, worthy and not, super-editors for life without accountability or exposure to consequences.
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:Anyway, so ends my soapboxing. If I've abused my hospitality please feel free to delete. ] (]) 03:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
**Thank you for your advice and thoughts. I want to think about the situation and not rush into anything that I may regret in the future. You know how it is when you rush into things without thinking, the end result is not usually good. I know about that. On the lighter side, I have a question for you. The main objective of the articles which I have created is to educate people, especially Puerto Ricans, about Puerto Rico. My question is, from your perspective, did I accomplish that with the "Irish immigration to Puerto Rico"?, What I mean, did you know about the strong Irish influence in Puerto Rico, before reading the article. Thank you for any insight. (By the way, I did apologize to User: Varleem). ] (]) 03:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


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:::Oh, I'm glad you asked. I thought it was an extraordinarily helpful and useful article. I had no idea there even was such a thing as Irish immigration to Puerto Rico. Your mission, to educate people about Puerto Rico, has indeed been fulfilled multiple times in this article and in many others. I mean that sincerely; as you know I don't butter people up. I patrol for vandals, and there is so much utter ''crap'' on Misplaced Pages that it makes me want to gag. If I see another article about a video game, I am going to puke. But you know, that is why we have to be scrupulous. The best articles need to adhere strictly to policies because we have only each other to correct ourselves. We have no superiors, no editors. We only have policies, and they really aren't bad, considering the uneven quality of editors.


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:::Sometimes, when we edit articles, maybe most of the time, editors do not comment on whether an article is good or not. We just correct policy issues or errors and sometimes we get into fights over it. Rarely do we sit back and appreciate whether an article in informative. That can get lost in the shuffle. In this case I agreed that there should be no list in the article and that the photos didn't belong there, but you didn't see me slapping tags on the article as I felt it was very good. When I think an article sucks, I am never afraid to say so but perhaps I need to be less grudging with praise.


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== Sat August 24: Roosevelt Island Wiknic ==
== Question about ]==
Hi Tony. Reading ], the article says he completed junior high in 1921 and senior high in 1925. Is this correct? Finishing junior high at age 21 and graduate high school at age 25? &mdash; ] (]) 02:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
*Thank you for bringing that typo up. ] (]) 04:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
** Check your e-mail please. &mdash; ] (]) 05:05, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
==File source problem with ]==
Marine, the source of this file is a broken link to some website. Do you know of some book or other publication using this picture that could be used to stablish the "life-of-autor-plus-100" copyright status? Thanks. ] 19:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
:I just found it . There isn't much information but the date is said to be 1925. --] 19:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


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The image is also found on page 58 in the book "Images of America - Pioneros Puerto Ricans in New York City 1896-1948", Bilingual Edition with a caption that states "Liga Puertorriquena e Hispana, 1922, Brooklyn section. The liga was an umbrella organization crated in 1922 to unite dozens of Puerto Rican clubs and organizations throughout New York. The liga promoted social and cultural activiyes(JC)." The book was writen by Feliz V. Matos-Rodriguez and Pedro Juan Hernandez. Publisher: Arcadia Publishing, Charleston, SC; Library of Congress Number 2001088278; ISBN 0=7385-0506-4. ] (]) 20:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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:Please, check your source once more. Does it really says
:* "''Liga Puertorriquena e Hispana, '''<u>1922</u>''', Brooklyn section. The liga was an umbrella organization crated in 1922 to...''"
:or simply
:* "''Liga Puertorriquena e Hispana, Brooklyn section. The liga was an umbrella organization crated in 1922 to...''"?
:If the photo is really from 1922, as stated in the first, then, you are right . Otherwise, we would not have an immediate reason to believe it is PD. --] 20:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


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*Checked and it states "''Liga Puertorriquena e Hispana, 1922, Brooklyn section. The liga was an umbrella organization created in 1922 to...''". There are at least 4 images of the "liga" on pages 58 and 59 dating form 1922 to 1939. ] (]) 22:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
** Well, that's weird, because and While the picture can indeed be found exactly at page 58 as you stated, the caption does not includes the year <u>1922</u> as you say. In fact, the year 1922 is exactly the one needed to establish beyond doubt that the image is really in the public domain. --] 03:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


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*Yes, it is weird. It may be a different edition and 1922 may have been omitted or removed. As you may have noticed, there are four different images with different dates (page 58 and 59) as I told you before. Since the date does not appear on google books, then let's revert the information as you had it before I made the edit. I would be fine either way. ] (]) 03:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


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Hola amigo. Since there is, I see, only a degree of separation between you and the ] shirt article, would you consider coming over to the article and see if Puerto Rico has been represented rightly in the article? I've done a lot of work to this as a Mexican and historian - but I see you are the Puerto Rican expert. I know almost nothing about it.] (]) 21:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
* '''Time:''' 2:00 - 7:00 pm ''(come by any time!)''
*To tell you the truth, I think you did an excellent job with the article. When I lived in Puerto Rico, we used two different styles of Guayabera, the long sleeve and the short sleeve. The long sleeve one was used in formal occasions while the short sleeve was for your everyday use. ^The main distributor of elegant Guayabera was a store called "Club Man". At first I thought the shirt was a Puerto Rican thing, but I was later told that they were originated in Cuba anfd that the Cubans introduced them to the island. However, I see that Mexico also has its claim on the design, so who knows? ] (]) 01:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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== Revision to Rafael Carrion, Sr. ==


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I am the granddaughter of Rafael Carrion, Sr. The changes were made at the request of my father Jose L. carrion, Sr., Don Rafa's ( as he was called), son. If you require proof, I will get it but it is common knowledge that he was NOT born into a wealthy family. I will search for records if necessary but, he had 8 children, 34 grandchildren and I'm sure we can gather proof. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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I am curious to know where you got the information that my grandfather was born into a wealthy family and about his education? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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I am the granddaughter of Rafael Carrion, Sr. The changes were made at the request of my father Jose L. carrion, Sr., Don Rafa's ( as he was called), son. If you require proof, I will get it but it is common knowledge that he was NOT born into a wealthy family. I will search for records if necessary but, he had 8 children, 34 grandchildren and I'm sure we can gather proof.


We will also focus on the Wikimedia NYC Strategic Plan, our Financial Report, and Annual and Monthly event teams for the coming year.
I am curious to know where you got the information about my grandfather. There are writings, in his own words about his youth and education. I am waiting for your response.


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It is very important to our family that the facts are correct and, yes, he did become a director of Chemical Bank with only an 8th grade education. That is what made him such a great man.] (]) 14:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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: {{tps}} Ok, you've made 3 posts to this editor's page without even the decency of waiting for a reply. Your personal research will not be of much help, as it's not considered to be a ]. Are you able to help find public records or public articles that can help support your statements? (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 15:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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*Vmarxuach, believe me, it is great that you are the grand-daughter of such an important person. However, we have no way of confirming that and policy still requires that you provide us with a reliable source. The information about the Carrions being wealthy was once obtained from the "El Nuevo Dia". Did they referrer to the present economic status or past, I don't know since they weren't clear on that and I no longer have a copy of said paper. It would be great if you provided us with evidence, thereby enriching the article. It is our aim to have an article as acurate as possible. ] (]) 18:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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Marine, be careful with double standards in . You correctly pointed out that the article shouldn't mention "''humble beginnings and only an eighth grade education''" without an reliable source, but still reverted it to the also completely unsourced "'' into one of the island's wealthiest families. There he received his primary and secondary education''". What's the rationale for preferring your version of an unsourced story above the other? --] 16:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


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*The version that I reverted the article to was the one which was present when the edits were made and which have stood there since 2009, I don't have any preferrence towards it and it can be removed. As a matter of fact, I am hoping that Vmarxuach provides us with the information that we requested because I have a feeling that, if true, the article will much more interesting and will serve as an inspiration to others as to how a person with only an 8th grade education was able to become the President of the largest Hispanic Bank in the United States. ] (]) 20:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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::I've scoured Google News and the New York Times archive and found very little on Carrion. Not even an obituary, which I imagine is an indication of the gaps in Times coverage in the 1960s. ] (]) 19:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hola Amigo. Many thanks for the feedback post on the article. I do appreciate it very much. If you think Puerto Rico appears OK in there, I'm happy. Aside from a minor problem from a mysterious "maggot", the article is pretty good. Gracias. Libertad para Puerto Rico!!] (]) 18:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)---sorry, by the way I am IP 75.21.96.66. They changed the IP on me again ....


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There is a book by Guillermo A. Baralt called Tradicion de Futuro. In that book, it tells my grandfather's story. I believe that el Nuevo Dia might have been talking about my uncle and not my grandfather.


Meeting info:
My grandfather Rafael Carrion Sr, was born Rafael Carrion Pacheco, my uncle Rafael Carrion, Jr, was born Rafael Carrion Ruiz (he was better known as Papi Carrion. There are still 4 of Don Rafa's (as he was known) children. There were 8 and 4 have passed away. My dad, Jose Luis Carrion Ruiz was the 5th child.
* '''Date:''' Saturday, September 21, 2024
www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Guillermo+A.+Baralt%22 This is the link to the book. It is the 3rd one listed.
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*Thank you for the beer, I really needed it. I'm glad to see you around. A lot of the people that you mention are good-faithed editors whom I have been unforunate to bump heads with because of misunderstandings. My main objective has always been to share my knowledge with others and to educate people through Misplaced Pages. I have always said that life is a continuous learning process and that the day that we stop learning then it is because we are no longer alive. I have made mistakes in Misplaced Pages, because I am not perfect and I believe that no one is, but I have learned from my mistakes and I have also learned from a lot of people in Misplaced Pages. I have been called a lot of names here, such as a "Killer", but I have also the pleasure of having an important political figure tell me that I have taught Puerto Ricans what a hundred professors have not. God bless you. I am not feeling well and I am not as active as I once was, all that I ask is to be left alone so that I may continue working for the good of our people. ] (]) 23:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


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== 22 October 2024, Super Intergalactic Justice League ==
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Please explain why you have once again recreated this: after it was deleted in this deletion discussion in October 2023: ], you then recreated it here on 7 October 2023: and then agreed to delete it following discussion on 24 October 2023: ].
Hola Tony, I hope you are feeling better. I see that you have been busy with the several wikistalkers. I hope you can get back to editing and creating articles instead of dealing with so much nonsense. Take care, --] (]) 15:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
You have been told repeatedly that you must follow ]. Your page ] is another blatant breach of NOTWEBHOST, which should be deleted. I would tag it for speedy deletion, but presumably you have protected it to prevent this. ] (]) 08:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
*I think the issue is that you are rare editor in Misplaced Pages because you are big content creator. One of the reason Im not active here is the drama that some editors bring to the project. The Wikihounding is sick, you can't tell these editors are interested in your work, they dont add a dime of productivity to Misplaced Pages, they are little children with a computer and not much to do in real life. But you keep strong, you contributions to the history of Puerto Rico are invaluable. take care mi hermano, --] (]) 16:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
*That is my workshop where I create my articles. I am working on one now. Thank you ] (]) 02:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
::No, that was already covered in the deletion discussion and subsequent discussion on 24 October 2023. You need to delete it and your autographs page as they are breaches of ]. ] (]) 03:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC) You also need to delete The Marine and the Girl Next Door in on the same basis. ] (]) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
:::As you have clearly decided to ignore my messages and kept editing Super Intergalactic Justice League, I will be taking this to ANI. ] (]) 03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)


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The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Misplaced Pages, and what affects administrator retention. We will use this research to improve experiences for Wikipedians, and address common problems and needs. We have identified you as a good candidate for this research, and would greatly appreciate your participation in this ''''''.
Since you're under an oath no to use your admin tools for a year in order to avoid having them removed from you due to misuse, it's not appropriate for you to . This amounts to ].


You do not have to be an Administrator to participate.
Whenever someone asks you to do some admin work - or when you just believe for yourself that some admin work must be done - the right thing to do, imho, is to neutrally repost the message to ], so that some other admins decide how to act on the request.


The survey should take around 10-15 minutes to complete. You may read more about the study on its ] and view its ] .
There's no point in having you not to use your tools when you can just post "''Please place the article under protection, thank you''" to your son's talk page and have him to do so just .


Please find our contact on the project Meta page if you have any questions or concerns.
This way the project is still under the menace of your poor judgments. In this case, for instance, you asked for a full protection in an article that was being vandalized by just one anonymous ip address. This isn't much far from the occasion where you teamed with your son to wrongly protect the article about Irish Immigration to Puerto Rico - the very mistake that started the whole drama that lead to Jimbo Wales suggesting you to give up the tools.


Kind Regards,
I reinforce my warning from the last time, when I asked you if these tools aren't bring you more problems than solving... --] 18:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Eh, saying "Please place the article under protection, thank you" is pretty far from a ''demand''. ;) But otherwise I concur, for the most part. Tony, you asked me to keep an eye on you, and I have, and so I'm stepping in to suggest this was inappropriate, not flat-out wrong or even close to sanctionable, but inappropriate, if for no other reason than because the request was made of your son. It's not at all meat-puppetry since the message was done on-wiki (I'm sure you could have contact with your son outside of the project if you chose) and it was just a request. But for conflict of interest reasons it's best not to request admin actions from your son.


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:I will say that your decision to not use the tools yourself was definitely a good one. ] would probably be the best place to make such requests, after all that's why that page exists. But since it's a single IP causing the issue, that protection probably would have been denied, because we'd be preventing any other anonymous or new editor from being able to contribute for the sake of stopping a single person, when a block would have the same benefit without hindering other editors. Another consideration is that if the IP is being this disruptive already, that disruption might not be stopped with semi-protection; the editor might instead move the disruption to ] or elsewhere. So a request for semi-protection, while well-intentioned, might not be the best decision.


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* I think Marine has shown a great deal of restraint dealing with the issue. The real problem here is the wikihounding and harrasment agaisnt Marine that doesnt seem to stop. This has been proven before and one of the users damiens.rf has been blocked before for wikihouding Tony . There's a proven history of harrasment agaisnt Tony by certain users that should be address by the community. --] (]) 20:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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::Thank you Atama, I agree then that ] will be the best way to go. What my friend Damiens.rf, failed to mention is that, since my self-imposed restrictions, in the past I have asked you and another admin to look into situations which may require the help or advice of an admin. I didn't think that asking my son to look into the request would create such an uproar from Damiens, since I was only passing on a request and I have no interst, what-so-ever, in the article nor it's subject (Check the articles history), but I was wrong. I should have known, after all Damiens, whom is a good- faithed person, has in the past and is in the present constently watching my every move. Therefore, ] will be the way to go. Thank you once more for your advice. ] (]) 20:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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==Request for Arbitration notice, 26 October 2024==
:::While there may be a TINY SCRATCH of truth in some of what Damiens wrote, the fact is there is considerably more insencerity and hypocrisy twisted in it than truth. I would give Damiens this bit of advise: ]. I can attest that I (still a newbie at WP) once asked Tony to do an admin job for me and, he did what I later discovered was the right thing and directed me to post at the appropriate forum. It is no secret that Damiens has gotten into serious trouble at Misplaced Pages before, not once but several times. And it hasn't been because he is a rule and policy follower and a fair player within the community of WP editors. His message above reflects on his propensity to feed on those editors who, like Tony, he perceives as easy targets. I feel sorry for the future of the English WP if Damiens was allowed to have the rights Tony has possessed for years. This event is nothing less that a reflection of Damiens jealousy of Tony's high quality editorial work at the encyclopedia and the respect Tony has garnished not from a few but from hundreds of Wikipedians from all walks of life. '''My name is ] (]) 16:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC), and I approve this message.'''
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*These attacks on Damiens are unwarranted. Marine made a serious error in judgment, Damiens brought it to his attention and it was addressed. There is no problem in this. Marine has voluntarily relinquished use of his tools because of a pattern of errors such as this. His actions warrant scrutiny. If editors scrutinizing his behavior in good faith are to be attacked in this fashion, it calls into question whether voluntary relinquishment of tools is sufficient to address this situation. ] (]) 17:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
**They are not unwarranted. While we can argue if the actual behavior of Marine warrants scrutiny or not - and this is a valid point - misbehavior, stalking, uncivility, and a general failure to assume good faith are not the way to address any shortcomings or concerns on Marine. Your point on the need for scrutiny is well taken, but this is also true of those who presume to do Damien's behavior is as bad, or worse, than Marine's because he complete obviates the need for ], including mediation etc. He forums shops without the decency of informing Marine of his actions, edits controversially in the Puerto Rico topic area without consideration to the WikiProject, and otherwise engages in disruptive behavior that makes it hard to assume good faith. A wiser editor seeking dispute resolution in good faith doesn't behave like Damiens does, he can trust the community - being made aware of the issues via noticeboards and RFCs and etc - to do the right thing. The multi-year campaign against Marine that Damien's has engaged on is extremely awful, in particular taking into consideration that whatever errors or problems by Marine are often swiftly resolved - I have met few admins in wikipedia with the willingness to reverse his admin actions than Marine. Yes Marine can be a pain in the butt to debate with, but so are a shitload of admins, including some in the ArbCom, and yet we do not encourage stalking behavior against them, as you are encouraging Damiens to do.
::If Marine were a vandal or an otherwise unproductive contributor, we might take a different position, but he has been a proficient and productive contributor to the WikiProject, has GAs and FAs, and has been an admin for a looooooong time. These things are not excuses to misbehave, but it does mean that when approaching problems, these things shouldn't be ignored. Scotty, how would you feel if the same editor subjected you to a microscope of every action you did, forum shopped without telling you behind your back, constantly misrepresented your actions in said shopping, and in general behaved without a shred of human decency? You would feel awful, I bet. That is the case here, and for you to pass judgement without careful consideration of the context is an extremely careless failure to assume good faith, and a dangerous invitation to allow misbehavior and ] actions if they are felt to be part of holding admins accountable. As a long-standing supporter of accountability for admins, I can tell you that is an awful attitude: misbehavior cannot be understood as a reason to misbehave yourself. We often look the other way when people are abusive to vandals and SPA etc, but here we have an example of why we shouldn't - whatever the shortcomings Marine has or doesn't have, he is not a vandal or an SPA, and is a member in good standing in the community. He should be afforded the decency, and the assumption of good faith, that all and any members in good standing in the community should get. Damiens doesn't and even when approached about it, he claims things are "ok", when clearly they are not. --] (]) 19:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Then Marine, as the allegedly afflicted party, would need to commence DR against him, though I suspect that ] may apply. Attacking him here, when he raises a reasonable question about Marine, is not the way to go. ] (]) 19:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
:::That's ] for such a highly visible page. --] 20:05, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
::::You can commence a WQA, and vice versa. I don't think further discussion here is productive. You raised an issue and it was addressed. If someone feels your behavior was wrong, they can dig up diffs and make their point in the correct forum. ] (]) 20:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


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I'm going to have a word on Mztourist's talk page, but I think this has blown out of proportion.


Obviously, administrators are not perfect and sometimes the behaviour is egregiously bad or out of touch enough to warrant a desysop. I set up the "Conflict interest of management" Arbcom case a few months back, and while it wasn't my explicit intention, it did result in advanced permissions being removed.
If it was not clear.--] (]) 14:56, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


I think all the Arbitration Committee want is an assurance that this is a minor and insignificant matter, and you're not really bothered if people take exception to to pages in your user space and cite reasonable reasons for doing so. The community doesn't appear to have a consensus on what to do with user pages that aren't directly to do with improving Misplaced Pages - for example, consider ] which, even though consensus at the MfD seemed to be trending to "keep", I decided to delete per IAR for a quiet life. That might have been a way de-escalating this matter here.


Anyway, now the case is at Arbcom, we'll see what happens next. ] ] ] 15:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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:Tony, this isn't worth your time. It's clear from statements already made at the case request that movement forward is fairly a foregone conclusion. The bottom line is you're going to be de-adminned whether you participate in the case or not. Participating simply validates the process of ArbCom, which is woefully bad. All of your incredible work over the years will be ignored, and instead the focus will come onto such things as you blocking a vandal who was disrupting a page in your userspace. The pound of flesh not having been extracted is now being asked for at ArbCom. Don't validate it with your presence. Let them push their electrons around, but don't let it bother you. --] (]) 18:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Yesterday I "closed" my "workshops" where I create my articles and removed the content of the material that I was working on. I felt that I could no longer concentrate on creating and contributing articles to Misplaced Pages after everything that has been going on which has contributed to the disruption of my thoughts and has led me to question if my work here is worth it. However, today I received the following message from a member of the El Salvadorean Legislature and which will later be translated into English:
::This is horrendous advice. Loss of tools is not a foregone conclusion unless you fail to respond.
::If you do not respond, it becomes an ] issue, and you will be certain to lose the tools. ] (]) 19:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:::You are welcome to your opinion. However, case after case after case after case after case of admin conduct brought before ArbCom has shown that defending oneself in such cases is nearly always futile. Prove me wrong. Defending oneself at ArbCom is an entirely useless endeavour. ArbCom's going to desysop him anyway. It is a foregone conclusion. If you want to claim he should be desysopped under ] for not responding, fine. Marine 69-71, you can acknowledge the ArbCom case. Attempting to defend yourself though is futile. Think of it as a pleading of 'no contest'. --] (]) 20:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I agree with DFO, this is horrendous advice. ] is a good example of an admin who participated and was let off with a warning. ] (]) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::::: That's 1. Got any others? --] (]) 19:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::I do not need any others; you used multiple absolute statements, meaning that a single example invalidates your statements. ] (]) 20:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I said "nearly always". I did not use the absolute case of "always". Regardless, if you want to debate the semantics of this further or the abstract issue at large, my talk page is ]. No need to clog Tony's talk page with it. --] (]) 20:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Tony, would you please email me via the "Email this user" link in the interface when you are viewing my userpage? Thanks. <small>(To anyone watching this; this is nothing nefarious, nor of interest to the general project)</small> --] (]) 01:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)


Hi Tony, I'm a fellow Bronxite and somebody who's been doing this wikipedia thing ''almost'' as long as you have. I don't have any magic answers, but I have been around the block a few times so I may be able to give some useful advice. If you'd like to chat off-wiki, feel free to ] to send me an email. ] ] 03:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
<blockquote>"Hola, mi nombre es Lorena Varela, salvadoreña trabajo en la Asamblea Legislativa de mi país, colaborando con la Comisión de Salud. He leído lo que usted hace en su país, que es conservar y trasladar sus raíces a las nuevas generaciones de descendencia boricua fuera de sus fronteras."</blockquote>


:You might want to address the concerns raised in the case request in a manner that recognizes the problems and assures the community that these problems will end and not be repeated. Thanks. ] (]) 15:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
<blockquote>"Me parece una labor muy ejemplificante para los latinos que algunas veces viviendo fuera de nuestros países, se olvidan de donde vienen y para donde van, porque al perder nuestras identidades perdemos el rumbo de nuestras vidas; sí tenemos que aprovechar las oportunidades que se nos dan en otros lugares pero jamás olvidar nuestro orígenes."</blockquote>
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Tony, I found some thoughts from the past that I was looking for and wanted to share them here in regards to this proposed case for you. It's a bit of a read, but if you have any inclination to participate in the ArbCom case (assuming it gets accepted; they might desysop you by motion without a trial), I think it's worth the time (if people's responses are any judge). The thoughts are . --] (]) 19:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


Tony, I respect you on-wiki and off-wiki, but admins are still required to respond to questions per ], otherwise it is assumed you forfeited the adminship (called "no contest plea" by Hammersoft). You need to explain the reasons behind your actions at the time, as well as whether it is justified now or not to be repeated. ] (]) 09:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
<blockquote>"Le deseo toda clase de bendiciones en su labor." Atentamente, Honorable Lorena Varela</blockquote>
:I know I said it above, but I will second this request. At the moment I have ''no'' choice but to vote to desysop, despite the fact that I really do not want to, because you have not responded to further enquiry. ] (]) 12:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Primefac}} Actually you do have a choice to accept a case rather than solve it by motion. There is no emergency here. It's a foregone conclusion you're going to desysop Marine 69-71, but you could at least have some respect for the process and for Marine 69-71. Instead, ArbCom's taking the easy way out. Setting Marine 69-71 aside for the moment, refusing to accept a case will result in things like from the person who made the RFAR request and their continued insistence that this wasn't a personal attack being utterly ignored. There are other issues here that ArbCom is completely deaf to at this point. Further, Sir Kenneth Kho's comments on the RFAR are powerful, and likewise being ignored. Primefac, you were voted in to do a job, not to accuse people of having false rage and then not do that job. Do it. --] (]) 13:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I agree with Hammersoft in this. By motion is definitely the ''easy'' way. The simple way. I just don't see it as action which should bear Misplaced Pages's imprimatur, not without a fuller look at the case. There's no real urgency in cases in which the subject is not an active editor or an admin is not using actively using tools wrongly. It is the undue ''urgency'' of this situation ArbCom has the opportunity to ''calm down'' and not further inflame or embitter. All this is my opinion. ] (]) 14:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::We have a pretty solid track record of suspended cases never actually being taken up. I am willing to advocate for one, but if Marine is not going to participate, then it makes little difference whether the desysop is by motion immediately or simply delayed by three months when the suspended case closes. ] (]) 17:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Could you explain why do you want a case in this instance? Earlier you criticized RexxS's case here , would this case have your support? ] (]) 15:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::IMHO the filing party in this case has also misbehaved. That's why I want the full case. ''I didn't list them'' as a party. They listed themselves. ] (]) 15:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I don't think there's much of a case here, either Marine or Mztourist. This could have been dismissed a few days ago, if Marine explained his tool use and his comment to Mason. This is not an issue worthy of ArbCom, but it is becoming ] issue real quick. ] (]) 15:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I concur with BusterD. The issue here is that so far it has been focused solely on Marine 69-71. ArbCom is ''extremely'' likely to desysop anyone who (for lack of a better term) was charged by someone bringing a RFAR. This can and has resulted in extreme myopic behavior. All of us here, including Marine 69-71 volunteer our time. I see no benefit to Marine 69-71 exerting their effort and using their volunteer time to participate in this case. As I've said before, if they don't participate, they get desysopped. If they acknowledge the case, but don't participate, they get desysopped. If they participate in the case, they get desysopped. People are hanging ] over Marine's head like a threat. ''He's already going to be desysopped''. So what possible benefit does spending innumerable hours attempting to defend oneself bring to the table? Nothing. That's what. So why do it? But, that's not the only aspect of this case; there's more at play here. ArbCom is focused laser sharp on Marine 69-71. This has all happened before and will happen again. ArbCom is outright abusive. --] (]) 17:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::My responses are short, I would expect them to be read. If there is a response from Marine, chances are fairly good I will vote against desysop. This is now the ''third'' time I am indicating this, and yet you still insist that if he participates he ''will'' be desysopped. Please stop playing the "rigged election" game. ] (]) 17:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Please stop insulting me. I am not playing a game. I am backed up with copious evidence that supports my conclusions. Don't like the conclusions? Prove me wrong. If you prove me wrong, I will change my conclusions. There is no "game", thank you very much. While ''you'' might not vote to desysop, the motion is already 3-0 in favor. Maybe if you could convince your cohorts to back off the motion and actually start a case, maybe...just maybe some good will come out of this. --] (]) 17:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::It is actually 3 supports and 2 opposes in practice, Primefac voted to admonish, KevinL indicated he would desysop if absent a response. I must note that if there is no response at the end, there will be 10 supports and 0 opposes. ] (]) 17:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Tony, friendly reminder that desysop by motion is currently passing, this is your final chance to explain yourself, or request a full case. As of now, ArbCom is losing faith that a response is coming. In Puerto Rican time, today will be the 12th day of the RFAR, tomorrow will be the 13th, the day after that will be the 14th.] (]) 11:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Tony, this is the 13th day, and tomorrow is the 14th day. ] (]) 09:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)


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<blockquote>"Hello, my name is Lorraine Varela, a Salvadorian member of the Legislative Assembly of my country, collaborating with the Health Commission. I have read what you do in your country, which is to conserve and to provide knowledge to the new generations of the people of Puerto Rican descent outside their borders."</blockquote>
:I'm flat out asking you: '''There's zero dishonor in stepping down as admin. Will you please hand in the bit?''' Tony, you've been important to the pedia and many of us know that first hand (hell, I looked up to you). The pedia cannot abide obstinance, so your silence sends a message, even if inadvertent. If you went to the 'crats noticeboard this morning and handed in your mop, all of this (except perhaps admonishment) just goes away. Consider doing an honorable thing. In your own honor. ] (]) 13:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{yo|BusterD}} I watch the dessysop case requests even when I don't comment. I have never seen so many implore an admin to act in their own best interests before. SMDH. ] (]) 13:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::I don't think anybody is offended by the silence, but the rules require admins to answer questions originating from vandals to ArbCom alike, nobody should think this is a bad rule? There's also zero dishonor in admins answering questions. ] (]) 15:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. ] (]) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I think ArbCom would still expect "I did not murder my wife" there. I recognize we are much on the same page. I don't mind a full case, but this is only if Tony is willing to attend that months-long process, it would help if he can confirm that. I also add that Tony might be unfamiliar with modern ArbCom processes.] (]) 16:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Tony could choose his battles in a full case. He would have allies and advisors in such a case. Strangers wouldn't be coming along disrespecting him simply because the pedia changed and he didn't know or think it worth his time to do so. Still doesn't know. ] (]) 16:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Given that Tony has been largely absent from the project for quite some time now (very low rate of edits over the last ~2 years), it is hardly surprising that he is silent at this time, and has been so for 5 days. Since January 2022, he's had 45 gaps in editing of a week or more, the longest being 7 weeks (which happened this year; June to August). ArbCom will not be denied their pound of flesh though, and they will forcibly desysop despite this history. It's been 4 days since they posted the motion to desysop. Tony ''averages'' that much of a gap in the last 2.5 years (). Tony's not used admin privileges in 17 months. Nevertheless, ArbCom's quite certain there is a pressing emergency at hand though, and have to desysop pronto. So glad we have ArbCom to defend our project against such threats. More seriously; the utter contempt and disrespect ArbCom has shown for an editor who has contributed more than 700 articles to the project is utterly despicable. If they want to tear the man down, fine they can tear the man down. But you can still do that with respect and dignity, not with summary judgment like this. The end of ArbCom can't happen soon enough. --] (]) 17:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
== Arbitration motion regarding Marine 69-71 ==


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<blockquote>"It seems to me that you do a very ejemplificante work for Latinos who sometimes living outside our countries, forget where they come from and where they are, because if we lose our identities we lose the direction of our lives; Yes, we must seize the opportunities that we are given in other places but we must never forget our origins."</blockquote>


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: Tony, always know that the ''article'' portion of your work on Misplaced Pages has never been questioned (that I know of), and is 110% appreciated. It is well-known that often the admin bit detracts from the article-improvement bit. I think that the suggestion that that you focus 100% on what you do well still is the best idea. Don't be discouraged! (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 15:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
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'''As a Wikipedian I have received many recognitions for my written work. However,, a certain admin here has recently began to haraze me continuesly and as such I guess said person can now be happy that my tools were removed. Please return my tools if you believe that this action was unjustified. Thank you.''' ] (]) 20:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:Tony, I am not asking you to confirm or deny that I am the "certain admin". However, if I am the person to whom you refer, please understand that I tried exceptionally hard ''to defend you in all this''. Please see right on your talk page; I wanted to discuss the overall situation with you in private. I didn't expect ArbCom was going to back off their insistence on desysopping you. I was hoping to get some sort of dignity out of all of it for you. ArbCom has treated you with contempt. Given the enormous body of work that you have contributed to this project, it is absolutely shameful that they have treated you in the way they have. I hold you in the utmost respect, as and still hold strongly to now. I know many other people do as well as I expressed to you 13 years ago . You . The advice I have given to you on your talk page now is meant in the same vein, never to harass you but to lift you up. If I have given you pause to think otherwise, then I deeply apologize. --] (]) 01:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::No my friend, I consider you among the best members of this project. I thank you for being in this project. ] (]) 02:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::My impression is that he has been extended as much dignity as possible, but at the same time it is difficult for the community to make exceptions to rules without compromising the egalitarian ethos of the project.
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::::@] A desysop was not a foregone conclusion. I meant that this issue could be resolved by motion, one of whose options might be a desysop. I wasn't going to vote to deysysop until the particular diff in question was unearthed. I think you're right, I doubt we'd undo our decision here, and I said as much. Still, it's certainly not going to be undone on our end unless he does understand what our issue was. And he won't survive RFA unless he understands either. Though I doubt he'd survive at RfA currently if just because of his low activity and need for the tools. Perhaps I should've just given him the advice of "your goose is cooked," but that seemed not entirely true, and not a helpful "if you really want it...heres what to do next." Understanding his issues is necessary, but not sufficient, to regain the tools. At any rate, I agree with you that this doesn't diminish Tony's many incredible lifetime achievements to Misplaced Pages. ] <sup>]</sup>] 18:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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I believe that at this time and age, Misplaced Pages should require that all those who wish to edit or add to our project should be registered users. It is easy for an unregistered user to vandalize an article which many of us have gone through a lot of trouble to write, then immediately make a copy as if that is what was truly written, thereby dis-crediting our project and adding to the reality that ours is an unreliable encyclopedia. The fact is that the majority of the vandalism is caused by un-registered users who have nothing better to do with their lives. If Misplaced Pages wants to keep it's good and honest contributors who love to share their knowledge with the world in general and wants to gain some sense of being a reliable encyclopedia, then it must do something to protect it's contributors and the articles which they have written from the constant vandalism going on, otherwise what's the use of staying here? Tony the Marine (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

South Bronx notables

In these edits, you added entries for Joe Negroni, Herman Santiago and Tony Santiago as notables. None of these entries have sources added to connect them to the South Bronx and none of the articles mention The Bronx in any way, let alone the South Bronx, with Negroni and Herman Santiago being placed in Manhattan. Is there a reason why they should be added as notables in the absence of any sourcing or mention in their articles. Alansohn (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday

February 8: Hacking Night @ Prime Produce

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February 21: WikiWednesday Salon @ Prime Produce

WikiWednesday is back this month! You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our WikiWednesday Salon at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, with an online-based participation option also available. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

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Good article reassessment for Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps

Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

"65th Infantry Regiment (United States" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Tue March 5: Wiki Gala NYC

March 5: Wiki Gala @ Prime Produce
Wiki-fashion show at last year's event

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The event will feature lightning talks and a Wiki-fashion show, for which you are encouraged to dress in your finest Wikimedia clothing and accessories (bags, buttons, even books), or clothing connected to the topics you edit on wiki projects.

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WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer

March 14: Hacking Night @ Prime Produce

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Pi Day Hacking Night at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well, and pies will be served in celebration of Pi Day!

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March 16: Queens Name Explorer @ QPL Tech Lab

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WikiWednesday (April 10) and City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon (April 11)

April 10: WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce
Prime Produce

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our WikiWednesday Salon, with in-person at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, as well as an online-based participation option.

Among the topics, we'll be covering the newly-released drafts of the Movement Charter for Wikimedia global governance.

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April 11: City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon
New York City College of Technology

Additionally, you are invited to City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon at the New York City College of Technology Library in Downtown Brooklyn! Join us in person on April 11th to learn about these great new materials at City Tech Library; to learn about editing Misplaced Pages; and to help increase representation of LGBTQIA individuals and issues online. All are welcome, new and experienced!

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  • Thursday, April 11 City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon (RSVP on-wiki).
    12:30 pm – 3:30 pm (come by any time!)
    4:00 pm – 5:00 pm (reception to celebrate the library's LGBTQIA collection)
    City Tech Library Multimedia Screening and Meeting Space, 300 Jay Street, Brooklyn NY

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Thu April 25: WikiNYC Hacking Night

April 25: Hacking Night @ Prime Produce
Past event at Prime Produce.

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May 8: WikiWednesday Salon with new Executive Director

May 8: WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly WikiWednesday Salon at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, with an online-based participation option also available. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

This special WikiWednesday will feature a welcome session and beginning of a listening tour by the newly appointed executive director of Wikimedia NYC, the first staff member leading our local non-profit.

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May 2024

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June 2: Hacking Sunday (+preview of June 8 Wiknic)

June 2: Hacking Sunday @ Prime Produce

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Hacking Sunday at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well! The event runs for the whole day, though you are welcome to come by for as little or as long as you'd like.

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A documentary filmmaker will be in attendance, working on Rabbit Hole, which aims to document Misplaced Pages's community to showcase how our network tackles important questions about how history is recorded. They will be in attendance to film snippets of this gathering for the documentary. It is completely optional to be a part of the film and there will be protocols in place if you wish to not be filmed. If there are any questions about the filming please reach out to the filmmaker, Meg Vatterott (meg.vatterott@gmail.com).

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Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic

June 8: Wiknic @ Governors Island
2023 Wiknic group photo

You are invited to the picnic anyone can edit on Governors Island, at 403 Colonels Row by the ArtCrawl Harlem house.

This is a sequel event to the 2023 Governors Island Wiknic and will feature a workshop led by AfroCrowd at the ArtCrawl Harlem house. We'll also encourage collaboration for wiki-coverage of ArtCrawl Harlem's current exhibition at Governors Island. All are welcome, new and experienced!

Bring a picnic blanket and some potluck, as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide sandwiches for everyone, and maybe some NYC pizza too, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those food cultural topics you would like to improve on Misplaced Pages.

We'll also do a portal thing for a bit with West Coast friends at Misplaced Pages:Meetup/LA/Wiknic2024.

Saturday, June 8, 2024 NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island (RSVP on-wiki)

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June 26: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

June 26: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
Welcome to Wikimedia New York City!

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Online-Only WikiWednesday Salon on Zoom. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

This special online-only WikiWednesday will be dedicated to the Wikimedia Movement Charter referendum, and also to exploring future options of other online-centric events for our Wikimedia NYC chapter.

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Fri July 19: Wikicurious in NYC, Editing Misplaced Pages for Beginners

July 19: Wikicurious: Editing Misplaced Pages for Beginners @ Civic Hall

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for the inaugural event of the beginner-focused Wikicurious series at Civic Hall! All are welcome, and newcomers and aspiring editors are especially encouraged to attend.

Registration via Eventbrite is required for building entry, and is also encouraged on the event page on Meta.

The Wikicurious series at Civic Hall is supported by Craig Newmark Philanthropies. Wikimedia NYC is an official affiliate and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation.

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Good article reassessment for 65th Infantry Regiment (United States)

65th Infantry Regiment (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Sat August 24: Roosevelt Island Wiknic

August 24: Wiknic @ Roosevelt Island
2019 Wiknic group photo, last time we held it on Roosevelt Island

You are invited to the picnic anyone can edit on Roosevelt Island, at Southpoint Park.

Following up on this month's Wikimania in Poland, this Wiknic will have as guest of honor User:DerHexer, the 2024 Wikimedia Laureate of the Year, marking his triumphant North American tour!

Bring a picnic blanket and some potluck, as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide a little something for everyone, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those food cultural topics you would like to improve on Misplaced Pages.

We'll also do a portal thing for a bit with West Coast friends at the WikiLA ocean life edit-a-thon.

All are welcome, new and experienced!

Saturday, August 24, 2024 NYC Wiknic @ Roosevelt Island (RSVP on-wiki)

  • Time: 2:00 - 7:00 pm (come by any time!)
  • Salon-style Discussions: 3:00 pm - 3:30 pm (session A) 5:00 pm - 5:30 pm (session B)
  • Location: Roosevelt Island (Southpoint Park, look for our Misplaced Pages/Wikimedia NYC banner).

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Sep 25: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting (plus Latin music event on Sep 21!)

September 25: Annual Election & Members Meeting

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Annual Election & Members Meeting, with in-person at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, as well as an online-based participation option.

The Members' Meeting is similar to other WikiWednesday meetups, except that its primary function is to elect a new Board of Directors. We will elect three board seats, half of the elected seats on the board. After being elected, those elected can potentially appoint more seats.

We will also focus on the Wikimedia NYC Strategic Plan, our Financial Report, and Annual and Monthly event teams for the coming year.

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  • To run for election or to vote, you must be a dues-paying member of Wikimedia New York City, having renewed in the past 12 months.
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Sep 21: Wikicurious for Latin Music: Editing to the Beat ♫

Sat Sep 21: Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat ♫ @ Lehman College

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for the "Editing to the Beat" event of the beginner-focused Wikicurious series at Lehman College. This is the second event of the series, following the inaugural event at Civic Hall in July. Led by a 9-person live band demonstrating Caribbean and Latin musical genres, we'll engage with efforts such as WikiProject Latin Music, and will encourage editing on both English and Spanish Misplaced Pages. All are welcome, and newcomers and aspiring editors are especially encouraged to attend. Registration via Eventbrite is required for building entry, and is also encouraged on the event page on Meta.

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Always precious

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Thank you Gerda Arendt. I want you to know that I have always thought of you as being one of most wonderful people here in Misplaced Pages. Unlike others you inspire and encourage others to make positive contributions to this project. Bless you.

Oct 26: Wikidata Day NYC

October 26: Wikidata Day in New York City
2024 Wikidata Day NYC flyer

You are invited to Wikidata Day in New York City at Pratt Institute School of Information in Manhattan, in celebration of Wikidata's 12th birthday. This event, held by our chapter in collaboration with Pratt and Girls Who Code, will be our third annual celebration of Wikidata Day. It will feature spotlight sessions, lightning talks, and the customary Wiki-cake, while those unable to attend in person will be able to watch a livestream.

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22 October 2024, Super Intergalactic Justice League

Please explain why you have once again recreated this: after it was deleted in this deletion discussion in October 2023: Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marine 69-71/sandbox, you then recreated it here on 7 October 2023: and then agreed to delete it following discussion on 24 October 2023: User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 52 - Misplaced Pages#Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 49. You have been told repeatedly that you must follow Misplaced Pages:NOTWEBHOST. Your page User:Marine 69-71/Autographs is another blatant breach of NOTWEBHOST, which should be deleted. I would tag it for speedy deletion, but presumably you have protected it to prevent this. Mztourist (talk) 08:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

No, that was already covered in the deletion discussion and subsequent discussion on 24 October 2023. You need to delete it and your autographs page as they are breaches of Misplaced Pages:NOTWEBHOST. Mztourist (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC) You also need to delete The Marine and the Girl Next Door in on the same basis. Mztourist (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
As you have clearly decided to ignore my messages and kept editing Super Intergalactic Justice League, I will be taking this to ANI. Mztourist (talk) 03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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ANI Notice 25 October 2024

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Marine 69-71 intractable breaches of policy WP:NOTWEBHOST regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mztourist (talk) 03:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks, Mztourist (talk) 07:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to have a word on Mztourist's talk page, but I think this has blown out of proportion.

Obviously, administrators are not perfect and sometimes the behaviour is egregiously bad or out of touch enough to warrant a desysop. I set up the "Conflict interest of management" Arbcom case a few months back, and while it wasn't my explicit intention, it did result in advanced permissions being removed.

I think all the Arbitration Committee want is an assurance that this is a minor and insignificant matter, and you're not really bothered if people take exception to to pages in your user space and cite reasonable reasons for doing so. The community doesn't appear to have a consensus on what to do with user pages that aren't directly to do with improving Misplaced Pages - for example, consider Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ritchie333/Userbox Trump which, even though consensus at the MfD seemed to be trending to "keep", I decided to delete per IAR for a quiet life. That might have been a way de-escalating this matter here.

Anyway, now the case is at Arbcom, we'll see what happens next. Ritchie333 15:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Tony, this isn't worth your time. It's clear from statements already made at the case request that movement forward is fairly a foregone conclusion. The bottom line is you're going to be de-adminned whether you participate in the case or not. Participating simply validates the process of ArbCom, which is woefully bad. All of your incredible work over the years will be ignored, and instead the focus will come onto such things as you blocking a vandal who was disrupting a page in your userspace. The pound of flesh not having been extracted here is now being asked for at ArbCom. Don't validate it with your presence. Let them push their electrons around, but don't let it bother you. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
This is horrendous advice. Loss of tools is not a foregone conclusion unless you fail to respond.
If you do not respond, it becomes an WP:ADMINACCT issue, and you will be certain to lose the tools. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
You are welcome to your opinion. However, case after case after case after case after case of admin conduct brought before ArbCom has shown that defending oneself in such cases is nearly always futile. Prove me wrong. Defending oneself at ArbCom is an entirely useless endeavour. ArbCom's going to desysop him anyway. It is a foregone conclusion. If you want to claim he should be desysopped under WP:ADMINACCT for not responding, fine. Marine 69-71, you can acknowledge the ArbCom case. Attempting to defend yourself though is futile. Think of it as a pleading of 'no contest'. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
I agree with DFO, this is horrendous advice. Special:PermaLink/1071296297#Timwi is a good example of an admin who participated and was let off with a warning. Primefac (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
That's 1. Got any others? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I do not need any others; you used multiple absolute statements, meaning that a single example invalidates your statements. Primefac (talk) 20:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I said "nearly always". I did not use the absolute case of "always". Regardless, if you want to debate the semantics of this further or the abstract issue at large, my talk page is that way. No need to clog Tony's talk page with it. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Tony, would you please email me via the "Email this user" link in the interface when you are viewing my userpage? Thanks. (To anyone watching this; this is nothing nefarious, nor of interest to the general project) --Hammersoft (talk) 01:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tony, I'm a fellow Bronxite and somebody who's been doing this wikipedia thing almost as long as you have. I don't have any magic answers, but I have been around the block a few times so I may be able to give some useful advice. If you'd like to chat off-wiki, feel free to click on this link to send me an email. RoySmith (talk) 03:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

You might want to address the concerns raised in the case request in a manner that recognizes the problems and assures the community that these problems will end and not be repeated. Thanks. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Tony, just wanted to thank you for all your contributions over the years to Misplaced Pages and the community. Andre🚐 20:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Tony, I found some thoughts from the past that I was looking for and wanted to share them here in regards to this proposed case for you. It's a bit of a read, but if you have any inclination to participate in the ArbCom case (assuming it gets accepted; they might desysop you by motion without a trial), I think it's worth the time (if people's responses are any judge). The thoughts are here. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Tony, I respect you on-wiki and off-wiki, but admins are still required to respond to questions per WP:ADMINACCT, otherwise it is assumed you forfeited the adminship (called "no contest plea" by Hammersoft). You need to explain the reasons behind your actions at the time, as well as whether it is justified now or not to be repeated. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 09:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I know I said it above, but I will second this request. At the moment I have no choice but to vote to desysop, despite the fact that I really do not want to, because you have not responded to further enquiry. Primefac (talk) 12:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
@Primefac: Actually you do have a choice to accept a case rather than solve it by motion. There is no emergency here. It's a foregone conclusion you're going to desysop Marine 69-71, but you could at least have some respect for the process and for Marine 69-71. Instead, ArbCom's taking the easy way out. Setting Marine 69-71 aside for the moment, refusing to accept a case will result in things like this from the person who made the RFAR request and their continued insistence that this wasn't a personal attack being utterly ignored. There are other issues here that ArbCom is completely deaf to at this point. Further, Sir Kenneth Kho's comments on the RFAR are powerful, and likewise being ignored. Primefac, you were voted in to do a job, not to accuse people of having false rage and then not do that job. Do it. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Hammersoft in this. By motion is definitely the easy way. The simple way. I just don't see it as action which should bear Misplaced Pages's imprimatur, not without a fuller look at the case. There's no real urgency in cases in which the subject is not an active editor or an admin is not using actively using tools wrongly. It is the undue urgency of this situation ArbCom has the opportunity to calm down and not further inflame or embitter. All this is my opinion. BusterD (talk) 14:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
We have a pretty solid track record of suspended cases never actually being taken up. I am willing to advocate for one, but if Marine is not going to participate, then it makes little difference whether the desysop is by motion immediately or simply delayed by three months when the suspended case closes. Primefac (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Could you explain why do you want a case in this instance? Earlier you criticized RexxS's case here , would this case have your support? Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
IMHO the filing party in this case has also misbehaved. That's why I want the full case. I didn't list them as a party. They listed themselves. BusterD (talk) 15:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
I don't think there's much of a case here, either Marine or Mztourist. This could have been dismissed a few days ago, if Marine explained his tool use and his comment to Mason. This is not an issue worthy of ArbCom, but it is becoming WP:ADMINACCT issue real quick. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
I concur with BusterD. The issue here is that so far it has been focused solely on Marine 69-71. ArbCom is extremely likely to desysop anyone who (for lack of a better term) was charged by someone bringing a RFAR. This can and has resulted in extreme myopic behavior. All of us here, including Marine 69-71 volunteer our time. I see no benefit to Marine 69-71 exerting their effort and using their volunteer time to participate in this case. As I've said before, if they don't participate, they get desysopped. If they acknowledge the case, but don't participate, they get desysopped. If they participate in the case, they get desysopped. People are hanging WP:ADMINACCT over Marine's head like a threat. He's already going to be desysopped. So what possible benefit does spending innumerable hours attempting to defend oneself bring to the table? Nothing. That's what. So why do it? But, that's not the only aspect of this case; there's more at play here. ArbCom is focused laser sharp on Marine 69-71. This has all happened before and will happen again. ArbCom is outright abusive. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
My responses are short, I would expect them to be read. If there is a response from Marine, chances are fairly good I will vote against desysop. This is now the third time I am indicating this, and yet you still insist that if he participates he will be desysopped. Please stop playing the "rigged election" game. Primefac (talk) 17:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Please stop insulting me. I am not playing a game. I am backed up with copious evidence that supports my conclusions. Don't like the conclusions? Prove me wrong. If you prove me wrong, I will change my conclusions. There is no "game", thank you very much. While you might not vote to desysop, the motion is already 3-0 in favor. Maybe if you could convince your cohorts to back off the motion and actually start a case, maybe...just maybe some good will come out of this. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
It is actually 3 supports and 2 opposes in practice, Primefac voted to admonish, KevinL indicated he would desysop if absent a response. I must note that if there is no response at the end, there will be 10 supports and 0 opposes. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Tony, friendly reminder that desysop by motion is currently passing, this is your final chance to explain yourself, or request a full case. As of now, ArbCom is losing faith that a response is coming. In Puerto Rican time, today will be the 12th day of the RFAR, tomorrow will be the 13th, the day after that will be the 14th.Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 11:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC) Tony, this is the 13th day, and tomorrow is the 14th day. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 09:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Good to see your datestamp!

Glad we're both still around. BusterD (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm flat out asking you: There's zero dishonor in stepping down as admin. Will you please hand in the bit? Tony, you've been important to the pedia and many of us know that first hand (hell, I looked up to you). The pedia cannot abide obstinance, so your silence sends a message, even if inadvertent. If you went to the 'crats noticeboard this morning and handed in your mop, all of this (except perhaps admonishment) just goes away. Consider doing an honorable thing. In your own honor. BusterD (talk) 13:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
@BusterD: I watch the dessysop case requests even when I don't comment. I have never seen so many implore an admin to act in their own best interests before. SMDH. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
I don't think anybody is offended by the silence, but the rules require admins to answer questions originating from vandals to ArbCom alike, nobody should think this is a bad rule? There's also zero dishonor in admins answering questions. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. BusterD (talk) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
I think ArbCom would still expect "I did not murder my wife" there. I recognize we are much on the same page. I don't mind a full case, but this is only if Tony is willing to attend that months-long process, it would help if he can confirm that. I also add that Tony might be unfamiliar with modern ArbCom processes.Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Tony could choose his battles in a full case. He would have allies and advisors in such a case. Strangers wouldn't be coming along disrespecting him simply because the pedia changed and he didn't know or think it worth his time to do so. Still doesn't know. BusterD (talk) 16:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Given that Tony has been largely absent from the project for quite some time now (very low rate of edits over the last ~2 years), it is hardly surprising that he is silent at this time, and has been so for 5 days. Since January 2022, he's had 45 gaps in editing of a week or more, the longest being 7 weeks (which happened this year; June to August). ArbCom will not be denied their pound of flesh though, and they will forcibly desysop despite this history. It's been 4 days since they posted the motion to desysop. Tony averages that much of a gap in the last 2.5 years (see also year counts). Tony's not used admin privileges in 17 months. Nevertheless, ArbCom's quite certain there is a pressing emergency at hand though, and have to desysop pronto. So glad we have ArbCom to defend our project against such threats. More seriously; the utter contempt and disrespect ArbCom has shown for an editor who has contributed more than 700 articles to the project is utterly despicable. If they want to tear the man down, fine they can tear the man down. But you can still do that with respect and dignity, not with summary judgment like this. The end of ArbCom can't happen soon enough. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Marine 69-71

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Marine 69-71 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)'s administrative privileges are revoked. He may apply to have them reinstated at any time via a new request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 18:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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I am very disappointed with the fact that my admin. tools have been removed. I have been in this project for many years and I have hundreds of articules on my watchlist. I used my tools to revert unsourced information which are sometimes posted by vandals.

As a Wikipedian I have received many recognitions for my written work. However,, a certain admin here has recently began to haraze me continuesly and as such I guess said person can now be happy that my tools were removed. Please return my tools if you believe that this action was unjustified. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Tony, I am not asking you to confirm or deny that I am the "certain admin". However, if I am the person to whom you refer, please understand that I tried exceptionally hard to defend you in all this. Please see this diff right on your talk page; I wanted to discuss the overall situation with you in private. I didn't expect ArbCom was going to back off their insistence on desysopping you. I was hoping to get some sort of dignity out of all of it for you. ArbCom has treated you with contempt. Given the enormous body of work that you have contributed to this project, it is absolutely shameful that they have treated you in the way they have. I hold you in the utmost respect, as I said 15 years ago and still hold strongly to now. I know many other people do as well as I expressed to you 13 years ago . You thanked me for the advice then. The advice I have given to you on your talk page now is meant in the same vein, never to harass you but to lift you up. If I have given you pause to think otherwise, then I deeply apologize. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
No my friend, I consider you among the best members of this project. I thank you for being in this project. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
My impression is that he has been extended as much dignity as possible, but at the same time it is difficult for the community to make exceptions to rules without compromising the egalitarian ethos of the project.
Motions are not inherently disrespectful, it could have been a quick way to dismiss the case and leave with an admonishment, but at the same time it is a WP:SNOW instance to desysop by motion if the party that fails to participate is an admin. Kenneth Kho (talk) 07:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Seriously? From the get go, you made it clear this was going to be a desysop (and I wasn't the only one to think so) . Now you're suggesting there might be a pathway back through ArbCom? As a first step in that process, Tony should spend an hour reading all of the RFAR and probably twice that much trying to process and respond to it? It is blatantly obvious there is no pathway back through ArbCom. Reading the RFAR is a total waste of time for appealing to ArbCom. And people think I'm giving bad advice? Wow. Just absolutely wow. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
@Hammersoft A desysop was not a foregone conclusion. I meant that this issue could be resolved by motion, one of whose options might be a desysop. I wasn't going to vote to deysysop until the particular diff in question was unearthed. I think you're right, I doubt we'd undo our decision here, and I said as much. Still, it's certainly not going to be undone on our end unless he does understand what our issue was. And he won't survive RFA unless he understands either. Though I doubt he'd survive at RfA currently if just because of his low activity and need for the tools. Perhaps I should've just given him the advice of "your goose is cooked," but that seemed not entirely true, and not a helpful "if you really want it...heres what to do next." Understanding his issues is necessary, but not sufficient, to regain the tools. At any rate, I agree with you that this doesn't diminish Tony's many incredible lifetime achievements to Misplaced Pages. CaptainEek ⚓ 18:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Tony, you haven't used admin privs in 17 months, and 2.5 years outside of your userspace (just blocking an IP that was affecting your userspace in that time). Even if you did attempt an RfA, a common opposition point people have these days is whether there is a need for the tools. You never did use the tools that much when you did have them, and essentially haven't for 2.5 years. Regardless of the RFAR and what it uncovered, attempting an RfA would likely fail just on those grounds alone. Some things we just have to accept and move on from. There's nothing you've done in the past 2.5 years that you can't do now. If you need an admin action, make a request at an appropriate notification point. The recognition you have received from multiple vectors for your work here is not affected nor tarnished. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank You.

I want to thank all of the partctpants who backed me up during the conversation aimed at the elimination of my admin. tools. I am very grateful for your support. Bess you all. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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Happy belated Thanksgiving, Tony! Kenneth Kho (talk) 07:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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