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| Hello. There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 15:43, 9 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ==Please observe talk page rules== | |||
| Please see ] and ]. You don't interrupt a person's points with your comments. You can copy the relevant comments and then reply to those. This is second time in two days I've had to do this. Did you notice yesterday? Thanks. '']'' 18:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :, can you find the specific clause in ]] (]) 20:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::First, let's not split up the discussion. Obviously the language in policy links I gave you is not as clear as it seems to me it used to be, but I'm working on getting that clarified and meanwhile requested you stop it. I added my full comments above yours; I'll keep on doing it. So if you want to be uncooperative and uncollaborative, others can judge that as they may. '']'' 21:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::Per the ] : ''Interruptions: In some cases, it is okay to interrupt a long contribution, either with a short comment (as a reply to a minor point) or with a heading (if the contribution introduces a new topic or subtopic; in that case, one might add :<small>Heading added for REASON by '']'' 14:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)</small> below the heading to make the nature of the change clearer). When introducing an interruptive break, please add <small><font color=gray> — ] {{#if:| ({{{2}}}),|,}} — (continues after insertion below.)</font></small><!--Template:Interrupted --> before the interruption. One may also manually ensure that attribution is preserved by copy-pasting the original signature to just before the interruption.'' However, this assumes a really long thread and the editor doesn't object, which most do and I do. '']'' 14:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ==Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion== | |||
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| == November 2012 == | |||
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| <div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> ] You have been ''']''' '''indefinitely''' from editing for persistent edit-warring, battleground behavior, and ]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may ] by adding below this notice the text | |||
| but you should read the ] first. ] (]) 00:12, 10 November 2012 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-block --> | |||
| <u>Comment</u>: Obviously you were . But as the template makes clear, just reverting things that you don't like ''when your initial revert was reverted'' (and by someone else, not me) and doing so ''under the pretext'' they are being discussed at the talk page, is a problem. Continuing to interrupt a person's talk page entries after they object and hassle them about it is also disruptive edit warring behavior. I just want you to be aware of what I perceive your behavior as being and as admins might also perceive it as being, should it continue in this pattern. '']'' 14:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=''I'm confused by this block, I've tried to explain why I made the edits that I did and explained how I stopped once I was certain they violated Misplaced Pages editing guidelines (a point which seems to have been completely ignored by the administrator who issued this block), especially in light of the fact that I knew I was coming off a block. Can somebody please look at this case in its entirety and provide me with specific evidence of 'edit-warring or battleground behavior' that merited this block? ] (]) 17:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)'' | decline=You did not stop edit warring when you were made aware, by being blocked several times with limited time periods, that this is against Misplaced Pages guidelines. Instead, you continued to do so. Please explain how unblocking you this time would lead to different behavior. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)}} | |||
| *'''Note'''. In examining the events that led up to this block, this at ] may be useful.--] (]) 19:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ==Draft== | |||
| I have moved the draft you have created to your user space as ]; subsequently, I have deleted the page (and its talk page) because your account is blocked. In the event you are ever unblocked, please e-mail me or ]. - ] (]) 20:38, 16 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ==April 2013== | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=Dear administrator(s), after having not edited on Misplaced Pages on this account for nearly half a year, I am respectfully asking that this indefinite block on my account be lifted on grounds that I believe I can finally contribute to the Misplaced Pages community in a constructive manner. Throughout the time that I've spent barred from Misplaced Pages's editing privileges, I have not only been able to know of the mistakes that led to my block, but have also thoroughly read through Misplaced Pages's editing guidelines to prevent the repeat of any the past mistakes. More importantly, the time that I've served I think has allowed me to appreciate exactly the kind of damage of what I did to the integrity of some of Misplaced Pages's founding philosophy; I believe where I fundamentally erred was in misconstruing the Wikipedian community's accommodation of disagreement for license to abuse. I have also learned the importance of taking responsibility for what I did, particularly in light of my attempt to circumvent the block by creating sockpuppet accounts in order to continue using (abusing really) Misplaced Pages's editing privileges, and that if I am to truly move on from this ugly episode of my Misplaced Pages life, then I can't continue being a coward and have the courage to admit to the wrongs of my former ways, so in light of that, I would like to say that I am sincerely sorry for what I did in the past and I humbly ask for your trust in my promise that I won't ever do what I did again. ] (]) 07:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC) | decline=Per ], you should wait the full six months, until May 10. I mean, I could forward your request to ] if you want, but be aware that some people do not take kindly to prematurely Standard Offer requests, and I'd advise you to wait. ] ] ] ] ♠ 21:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC) }} | |||
| :Furhter to the above, thanks for the advice. At this point, I'm not sure how to approach your suggestion on whether or not to take it to ]: I think I've been honest and perceptive in identifying the mistakes I've made and I think I've laid out a credible proposal on how to deal with it, which is (as per ]) to not try to circumvent the block through puppet-sockery and a restructuring (or at least revision) of my editing philosophy, which has always placed a higher premium on confrontation over collaboration. The problem is that I have issues with sock-puppetry and don't know how strong my arguments would be to people reviewing early Standard Offer requests, so any help from you on this would be greatly appreciated.] (]) 04:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::I personally don't have any issue with early Standard Offers, but the last time I helped someone forward their request to the community, it went down in flames, partly due to the time interval. So I would wait I were you. But it's all up to you. -- ] ] ] ] ♠ 04:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == Selective review of your edits == | |||
| I performed a highly selective and random review of your edits, only to find a pattern of problems. These include the following: | |||
| ;27 April 2011 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User erroneously adds a fact tag to a quote made by Kunstler sourced directly to The New York Times (1970). | |||
| ::*User is reverted by ] who notes, "there is already a citation" | |||
| ;28 April 2011 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User erroneously adds a verification tag to a properly cited image from the Library of Congress. Strangely, the user claims "the advertisement does not mention the caption provided, additional info. is needed on this" | |||
| ::*Two years later, ] reverts the edit with "Disruption reverted. Clearly it is verified on the LOC site as the image page shows" | |||
| :*User erroneously removes "Larry McCarthy...who is most famous for his Willie Horton ad" which is directly cited to Smith 2010. | |||
| ::*Added back two years later by ] with additional material from source. | |||
| ;30 May 2011 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User erroneously adds a "fact" tag to a properly cited statement in Christiansen 2003, p. 35. | |||
| ::*Fact tag is finally removed more than a month later by ] who notes "remove <nowiki>{{citation needed}}</nowiki>. this is stated in the source at the location specified: "This migration ... gained a political dimension when Radio Liberty began to employ Uighur staff", etc.) | |||
| ;5 June 2011 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User erroneously adds a "fact" tag to a properly cited statement in ''The New Republic'' (2009). | |||
| ::*Fact tag finally removed a year later by {{user|192.216.61.102}} with the edit summary "Removed the 'citation needed tag' to the first sentence of the second to last paragraph. The sentences that follow are examples of this point and they posses citiations. The initial statement is merely a summary of what follows" | |||
| ;5 June 2011 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User labels Ivins a "liberal" in the lead section and misrepresents a source that does not use the word "liberal" at all | |||
| ::*The word "liberal" is removed months later in October when ] notices that the source doesn't even use the term: "Weirdly, the referenced article says nothing about an "unabashed liberal" perspective" | |||
| ;5 June 2011 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User labels Hightower a "progressive" columnist, without sources | |||
| ::*The word "progressive" is removed a month later in July by ] who asks the user to "tone down thw POV" | |||
| ;15 August 2012 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User adds the {{tl|which}} maintenance tag to a positive statement about the work that is fully sourced at the end of the sentence. | |||
| ::*The tagged material is removed by {{user|193.61.23.209}} on 21 May 2013. | |||
| :::*The properly sourced material is restored by Viriditas on 23 May, and the erroneous maintenance tag which later justified the erroneous removal of the material is removed. | |||
| ::::*Note: this article has serious COI editing concerns, as the primary criticism comes from an author who released a competing work concurrently with the book by Service. Various editors, from both registered and IP accounts, appear to be promoting this COI agenda. | |||
| ;19 September 2012 - 31 October 2012 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User twice adds poorly sourced criticism of a BLP. | |||
| ::*Twice the material is removed by IPs. | |||
| :::*Carolmooredc restored a more NPOV presentation of the criticism leaving out the usual non-encyclopedic attacks added by Festermunk. | |||
| ;25 October 2012 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User turns a small BLP stub into an attack piece on a BLP. | |||
| ::*Carolmooredc edits the article to make it NPOV and removes the egregious attacks. | |||
| ;31 October 2012 | |||
| *] | |||
| :*User claims that RT calls the org "pro-Kremlin". | |||
| ::*However, the source is not RT but ''Russia Beyond the Headlines'' which has RS issues. | |||
| :::*Viriditas removes the claim and source in May 2013. | |||
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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:43, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. Thank you.
November 2012
Festermunk (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I'm confused by this block, I've tried to explain why I made the edits that I did and explained how I stopped once I was certain they violated Misplaced Pages editing guidelines (a point which seems to have been completely ignored by the administrator who issued this block), especially in light of the fact that I knew I was coming off a block. Can somebody please look at this case in its entirety and provide me with specific evidence of 'edit-warring or battleground behavior' that merited this block? Festermunk (talk) 17:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Seraphimblade 07:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You did not stop edit warring when you were made aware, by being blocked several times with limited time periods, that this is against Misplaced Pages guidelines. Instead, you continued to do so. Please explain how unblocking you this time would lead to different behavior. Seraphimblade 07:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Note. In examining the events that led up to this block, this recent discussion at WP:ANI may be useful.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Draft
I have moved the draft you have created to your user space as User:Festermunk/RT (TV network); subsequently, I have deleted the page (and its talk page) because your account is blocked. In the event you are ever unblocked, please e-mail me or request its undeletion. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 20:38, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
April 2013
Festermunk (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Dear administrator(s), after having not edited on Misplaced Pages on this account for nearly half a year, I am respectfully asking that this indefinite block on my account be lifted on grounds that I believe I can finally contribute to the Misplaced Pages community in a constructive manner. Throughout the time that I've spent barred from Misplaced Pages's editing privileges, I have not only been able to know of the mistakes that led to my block, but have also thoroughly read through Misplaced Pages's editing guidelines to prevent the repeat of any the past mistakes. More importantly, the time that I've served I think has allowed me to appreciate exactly the kind of damage of what I did to the integrity of some of Misplaced Pages's founding philosophy; I believe where I fundamentally erred was in misconstruing the Wikipedian community's accommodation of disagreement for license to abuse. I have also learned the importance of taking responsibility for what I did, particularly in light of my attempt to circumvent the block by creating sockpuppet accounts in order to continue using (abusing really) Misplaced Pages's editing privileges, and that if I am to truly move on from this ugly episode of my Misplaced Pages life, then I can't continue being a coward and have the courage to admit to the wrongs of my former ways, so in light of that, I would like to say that I am sincerely sorry for what I did in the past and I humbly ask for your trust in my promise that I won't ever do what I did again. Festermunk (talk) 07:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Per WP:OFFER, you should wait the full six months, until May 10. I mean, I could forward your request to WP:AN if you want, but be aware that some people do not take kindly to prematurely Standard Offer requests, and I'd advise you to wait. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Furhter to the above, thanks for the advice. At this point, I'm not sure how to approach your suggestion on whether or not to take it to WP:AN: I think I've been honest and perceptive in identifying the mistakes I've made and I think I've laid out a credible proposal on how to deal with it, which is (as per WP:NOTHERE) to not try to circumvent the block through puppet-sockery and a restructuring (or at least revision) of my editing philosophy, which has always placed a higher premium on confrontation over collaboration. The problem is that I have issues with sock-puppetry and don't know how strong my arguments would be to people reviewing early Standard Offer requests, so any help from you on this would be greatly appreciated.Festermunk (talk) 04:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- I personally don't have any issue with early Standard Offers, but the last time I helped someone forward their request to the community, it went down in flames, partly due to the time interval. So I would wait I were you. But it's all up to you. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Selective review of your edits
I performed a highly selective and random review of your edits, only to find a pattern of problems. These include the following:
- 27 April 2011
- User erroneously adds a fact tag to a quote made by Kunstler sourced directly to The New York Times (1970).
- User is reverted by User:Savidan who notes, "there is already a citation"
- 28 April 2011
- User erroneously adds a verification tag to a properly cited image from the Library of Congress. Strangely, the user claims "the advertisement does not mention the caption provided, additional info. is needed on this"
- Two years later, User:Viriditas reverts the edit with "Disruption reverted. Clearly it is verified on the LOC site as the image page shows"
- User erroneously removes "Larry McCarthy...who is most famous for his Willie Horton ad" which is directly cited to Smith 2010.
- Added back two years later by User:Viriditas with additional material from source.
- 30 May 2011
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- Fact tag is finally removed more than a month later by User:CaliforniaAliBaba who notes "remove {{citation needed}}. this is stated in the source at the location specified: "This migration ... gained a political dimension when Radio Liberty began to employ Uighur staff", etc.)
- 5 June 2011
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- Fact tag finally removed a year later by 192.216.61.102 (talk · contribs) with the edit summary "Removed the 'citation needed tag' to the first sentence of the second to last paragraph. The sentences that follow are examples of this point and they posses citiations. The initial statement is merely a summary of what follows"
- 5 June 2011
- User labels Ivins a "liberal" in the lead section and misrepresents a source that does not use the word "liberal" at all
- The word "liberal" is removed months later in October when User:Hal Raglan notices that the source doesn't even use the term: "Weirdly, the referenced article says nothing about an "unabashed liberal" perspective"
- 5 June 2011
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- The word "progressive" is removed a month later in July by User:ZHurlihee who asks the user to "tone down thw POV"
- 15 August 2012
- User adds the {{which}} maintenance tag to a positive statement about the work that is fully sourced at the end of the sentence.
- The tagged material is removed by 193.61.23.209 (talk · contribs) on 21 May 2013.
- The properly sourced material is restored by Viriditas on 23 May, and the erroneous maintenance tag which later justified the erroneous removal of the material is removed.
- Note: this article has serious COI editing concerns, as the primary criticism comes from an author who released a competing work concurrently with the book by Service. Various editors, from both registered and IP accounts, appear to be promoting this COI agenda.
- 19 September 2012 - 31 October 2012
- 25 October 2012
- 31 October 2012