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January 14

Age wrong? Date of birth correct.

Dorothi Fox shows "Born 8 January 1930 (age 94)". Shouldn't that be (age 95)? Boers1 (talk) 00:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. The wrong code was in the template, it's been fixed. Schazjmd (talk) 00:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Trying to add a category to a talk page

On all the vital articles pages, more specifically the talk pages, there are these categories on the bottom of the page (ex. Talk:The arts) B-Class level-1 vital articles Misplaced Pages level-1 vital articles in Arts B-Class vital articles in Arts. My question to you is I would like to edit the template so that it adds the broader category of Category:Misplaced Pages level-1 vital articles to each article at the appropriate level. Any idea on how I could do that? I hope I explained my query well. Interstellarity (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Interstellarity, there is a list at Misplaced Pages:Vital articles/Level/1, so I don't think adding the individual articles to Category:Misplaced Pages level-1 vital articles would be useful. TSventon (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Achieve the same effect that the TAB key achieves in word processing?

I MS word, I can get this effect using the TAB key:

A  This text is a certain distance from the left edge of the page.
     This text should be the SAME distance from the left edge of the page (but may be a bit off now).
B  This text is a certain distance from the left edge of the page.
     This text should be the SAME distance from the left edge of the page (but may be a bit off now).
How do I make a Misplaced Pages page look likek this? Thank you in advance. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 01:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Template:Indent might be what you're looking for. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks but no. Template Indent does not allow me to put the “A” and the “B” on the first and third lines of my example above. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 08:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

I can think of, hm, at least three ways to format text like that, depending on what it's supposed to convey semantically - a list of two items each split by a linebreak, a list of four items with no list marker on #2 and #4 and an explicit value on #3, and a table. They're all kind of clumsy and I don't think any of them would be appropriate in articles. What specifically are you trying to do? —Cryptic 09:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thansk for responding. You can see what I am trying to do in an article that I have only worked on in Swedish at the moment. Please go to Högstenagaldern  by clicking “sv”. Please go to section “Radikal nytolkning”. There you will see four lines in a runic inscription. It means side A, line 1, side A, line 2, side B, line 1, side B, line 2. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 09:36, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

{{Ordered list}} does what you want. Example:

1. 1. kalanta uiþr kalkla uiþr riþa‐ta uiþ
   2. uiþr rinanta uiþr salianta ui‐
2. 1. r sikn--a uiþr f-ranta uiþr f̣liuh
   2. a͡nta s-̣-a͡lọlt fuþiʀ auk um tu-ạ

Or directly with html tags, if you don't want to import the template:

1. 1. kalanta uiþr kalkla uiþr riþa‐ta uiþ
   2. uiþr rinanta uiþr salianta ui‐
2. 1. r sikn--a uiþr f-ranta uiþr f̣liuh
   2. a͡nta s-̣-a͡lọlt fuþiʀ auk um tu-ạ

The extra whitespace displaying here before the numerals is fixable, but how to do that depends on how the css is set up on svwiki. —Cryptic 10:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 11:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jan Arvid Götesson: Here is a method with span style="width:2.5em;display:inline-block; which doesn't rely on local CSS rules or templates and let's you set the width:

AThis ...
This ...

PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Works perfectly. Thanks. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 19:13, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating a disambiguation page

Hi, I have a somewhat technical question related to creating a disambiguation page. I've noticed that the word "Nuda" redirects to Beroidae, and there are two pages whose title is the word "Nuda" itself, but with a disambiguating parenthesis (Nuda (album); Nuda (song)). I think it would be appropriate to create a disambiguation page for these and make it the primary page, but I'm not sure how to proceed without breaking links or perhaps going against MOS. Could you please give me some pointers? Cheers! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku You could

• move Nuda to Nuda (zoology) and update 40 incoming links (I don't think there is a primary topic)
• create Nuda (disambiguation)
• move Nuda (disambiguation) to Nuda using Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/Technical requests if necessary
• link Nuda to it:Nuda via Wikidata item Q3879241. TSventon (talk) 03:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @TSventon. If I move Nuda (disambiguation) to Nuda, would the latter then become the disambiguation page? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku yes, my suggestion produces a disambiguation page at "Nuda" and a redirect at "Nuda (disambiguation)". You could achieve a similar result by editing "Nuda" to create a disambiguation page and creating a new redirect at "Nuda (disambiguation)". TSventon (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Justine Bateman

Please look at reference number 41 - I have tried so hard to get it right. Thanks for repairing. Srbernadette (talk) 05:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: I replaced the reference to fix the errors. The first CS1 error was indicating that there was a generic name in the |last= parameter. In this case, it looks like the last name was listed as Correspondent, which is the generic name the template didn't like. The second error was stating that bolding or italics markup isn't allowed in the |website= parameter. The ''Newsweek'' name with the apostrophes isn't allowed with that parameter because the name is automatically italicized when it renders. When citing websites or books, I will usually use this tool to create the reference for me because its a lot simpler. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask them here. cyberdog958 08:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Any alternatives for Misplaced Pages:Updating information?

It's too short for me. Is there more in depth essay or other policy to read relating to this topic? All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 12:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Also what do people mean when they say "I !voted" or something like that? I have a guess but I just wanna be sure. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 13:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @All Tomorrows No Yesterdays. I'm not clear what you think is lacking in that document. Please clarify.

As for your second question - see WP:!VOTE. ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Uhh.. I don't even know anymore. I was just pretty curious about its brevity. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 13:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Regarding GA Nominations

Could one nominate an article, even while >90% of the article is copied? I'm planning on putting General secretaryship of Mikhail Gorbachev up at GAN after some copyediting if that is allowed. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 14:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello All Tomorrows No Yesterdays! Any article can theoretically be nominated if it meets the good article criteria, but you should have a strong understanding of the sourcing it uses and make sure you've checked it against the criteria. You might consider raising this at the good article talk page. The most active GAN reviewers watch that page so you should be able to get a more in-depth answer about the actual process there. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

question about deletion review

i posted a request at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review, and now my request no longer appears there. is it routine for requests to be moved once they have been read, or should i be worried? please ping me when you reply. thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Your post was accidentally deleted by the next editor. I have restored it. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@John of Reading that is very helpful of you indeed. thanks!!  Thanks Sm8900 (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

What is considered sockpuppetry?

Can i make another account to use the user talk page to chat about non-wikipedia subjects? Bart Simon the Wikiracer (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not social media and the talk pages should not be used to chat about non-wikipedia subjects--Escape Orbit 15:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

i don't have an email and live 40 kilometers away from my freinds

hope this clears my reasons up Bart Simon the Wikiracer (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Bart Simon the Wikiracer. I'm sorry for your isolation, but Misplaced Pages is not the answer, and attempting to use it for purposes that aren't congruent with Misplaced Pages's purposes are not acceptable. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

do you know what the answer is?

Bart Simon the Wikiracer (talk) 16:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bart Simon the Wikiracer: Digital communication with friends is usually by text messages, social media or email. An email address is useful for many other things. Webmail only requires a browser. See e.g. Comparison of webmail providers for some options. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Answer: anything like this. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 16:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

How to add image of Print newspaper in pdf file as source?e

Daily Star is a prominent Bangladeshi newspaper. It has covered so many news for long days. There had been many things happened from 90s to 2025. Various important topics which is widely cited before we can't add in English Misplaced Pages as there is no source or is not available in online. But I have images of Daily star news as pdf file. i want to add it as source. How can I do that? Anyone can check it from প্রলয়স্রোত (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@প্রলয়স্রোত: A reliable published source does not have to be available online. See WP:RS. It just must be theoretically possible for a member of the general public somewhere to go see a physical copy, e.g., in a library in Bangladesh. It is not legal for you to upload an image as that would be a copyright violation. -Arch dude (talk) 21:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

uploaded wrong picture

I uploaded an image inadvertently. How can I remove it? Lauranorcal (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Lauranorcal: You uploaded it at commons:File:Michael Alexander Kahn.jpg. Place {{SD|G7}} at top of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

How can I delete it? I'd like to do that before I upload the right one. Thanks. Lauranorcal (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Lauranorcal: you can edit the code at commons:File:Michael Alexander Kahn.jpg and add {{SD|G7}} at top of the page. That will show a notice that you have requested deletion and Commons admins will deal with your request. TSventon (talk) 23:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

January 15

Template Categorization Confusion

So I'm trying to work on categorization tasks; specifically in Category:All uncategorized pages. Lets take for example, Template:Delay safesubst.

How am I supposed to correctly categorize this template?

At first I thought I should just write:

]

Then I read a bit and now thought, what if I put the category on the /doc page and {{Delay safesubst}} on the main template.

What am I supposed to do for moving both template and their doc pages? Even if I give the doc page a category, Category:All uncategorized pages, still retains the template (item). Bondishloka (talk) 09:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bondishloka generally the way templates are categorized is by using {{sandbox other}} on its doc page, like this. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 09:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Bondishloka (talk) 15:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Bondishloka, please look up the use of nowiki when you want to mention bracketed categories or template calls, instead of using them. Messing with the spacing between brackets or curlies on links or templates can throw off parsing algorithms that provide syntax highlighting on the page, for those who have enabled that. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 00:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Annoying map in Infobox

Using "display=title" in "Template-Coord"" displays the coordinates above the wiki article.
In my sandbox of the Yisan article, no map is shown under "Tambon" in Infobox.
But when I copy this "Yisan" article from my sandbox to the "Yisan" wiki article, a map automatically appears under "Tambon" in Infobox.
The question is how can I stop this annoyance.
SietsLSietsL (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

@SietsL: the info box uses {{Infobox settlement}}, which includes a mapframe map based on Wikidata by default. Your sandbox is not linked to Wikidata, so no map is produced. You can hide the map by adding "|mapframe = no" as an extra line in the infobox. TSventon (talk) 13:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing issues

Hello. I want to expand stub articles on Misplaced Pages without being blocked for copyright violations of close paraphrasing. I have been reading Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing#How to write acceptable content and I want to add information from the Handbook of Texas and Texas Escapes magazine into the articles I have created or expanded. I have read the template in that section with the title "Example: close paraphrasing repaired", where it says to bring in other sources and "read source information, preferably taking notes to extract essential points, and write a summary in your own words, thereby producing an acceptable version." Although the Handbook of Texas has "fair use" guidelines, I want to write paragraphs that bring together information from two sources, without maintaining the previous sentence structure or style. How can I go about doing that, or should I not do that at all? I haven't edited on Misplaced Pages much, so I want to get some guidance. Thank you. Colman2000 (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

(had to battle my way through a IP spam army) Essentially, if it's not fair use, than see that it's still possible; I would suppose, given they have a copyright over the latest edition of their handbook, trying a earlier one (or rather, look for any excerpts out there). 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 23:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Although I should note that you were advised last year over this issue. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 23:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Colman2000. When I am trying to summarize some pretty complex sources while avoiding close paraphrasing, I use old fashioned techniques like those described in Outline (list), and actually use pen and paper, working usually with a yellow legal pad or maybe with some excess papers from a computer printer that have something irrelevant printed on the back side. As I read the source material for the second or third time, I jot down phases that serve to remind me of the most important points. In general, they may seem vague to other people but are thematic and serve to later remind me of something important. Sometimes, they may be brief and factual like "died NYC 1892 heart attack". They may resemble internet search terms or the briefest summaries of the results of such search terms. Everything I write has a mnemonic function to me. It may make little sense to anyone else, but these phrases are "reminders" to me and me alone of what I believe the most important points are about the content I plan to summarize. When my jottings are done, I then take a break and do something else for an hour or two. Then, I sit down with my rough notes and summarize in full prose what I learned from the sources. Then, I fact check my own writing and also verify that I have truly written in my own words instead of duplicating through memory the work of the original author. I may forget 95% of the wording of the original material but some striking phrase may stick in my mind. If so, I can include that brief content accurately in quotation marks, attributed to the original source. I hope that this helps. Cullen328 (talk) 08:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit reverted by viewmont viking

Hello, I am Olliebowen28. I am a new-ish user, and one of my first edits was to the Mankato west high school page. I added the school fight song lyrics and tune to the page. Then, some guy named Viewmont Viking came along and reverted it. The only reason he provided is, "WP is not a webhost." Being a new user, I have no idea what that means. I posted several comments explaining why my edit belongs in wikipedia, and I asked what "WP is not a webhost" means. He never responded to any of my comments, and in desperation for his attention, I reverted his edit of reverting my edit. I put in the description of my edit to look at the talk page comments, and he never looked nor explained. He also posted a few comments on my talk page, linking articles about wikipedia guidelines. None of them applied to my edit. All I ask is that my contribution not be reverted again, or if my contributions did violate some guideline that you explain what guideline was broken and how it can be fixed so that it doesn't.

Many thanks, OllieBowen28 (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Contents in Misplaced Pages articles need to be Verifiable in reliable sources, therefore informations that might not be significant enough to get coverage from reliable sources typically wouldn't be included due to the difficulty in finding sources for them. You should provide citation for the content you added, otherwise other editors would not be able to check its reliability. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I will try to find a reliable source OllieBowen28 (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

@OllieBowen28, the lyrics to the school's fight song might be protected by copyright. But even if they aren't, they're trivia, not something that belongs in an encyclopedia article. Schazjmd (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @OllieBowen28. See WP:NOTWEBHOST; the implication is that the other user believed that the material you added was not encyclopaedic.

Quite apart from that, there is the question of copyright: you may not insert copyright material into a Misplaced Pages article, unless it has been explicitly released or licensed appropriately.

One more point: you are edit-warring, and you must stop. Irrespective of right and wrong, edit-warring is forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, OllieBowen28, only US song lyrics published over 95 years ago are sure to be in the public domain. My quick Google search shows that Mankato West High School was founded in 1951. If that is accurate, then it is likely that the song lyrics are still copyright protected. Even if they are in the public domain for some reason, most high school song lyrics are banal, routine and predictable. So, unless reliable published sources independent of the high school have commented on the innovative and unique nature of these lyrics, then they do not belong in this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Women's Sports Network

Considering creating a draft article for Women's Sports Network, a free ad-supported streaming television service. For some reason the title is blacklisted. Anyone know the reason why? Esolo5002 (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

@Esolo5002: Are you sure that's the exact title you tried? Your post here used a normal apostrophe which is allowed but a similar character is disallowed. Compare Draft:Women's Sports Network (allowed) and Draft:Women’s Sports Network (disallowed). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

James Middleton

Please help with reference number 9 - "journal" comes up as red. Please repair and Im sorry - I did not do this mistake/citation. I saw the red ink. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

 Already done - There was a missing journal parameter; you're welcome. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 23:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

January 16

copyvio

Stumbled across this article: Michael Habermann. Aside from questioning its notability, the article is practically verbatim from a direct primary source with 80% copyvio, here: and and reads like a resume. Is there a template that can be placed on the article stating this or something similar to invite editors to clean-up / re-write the article with secondary sources in their own words? There is already a "BLP sources" at the header. Maybe that's enough? Maineartists (talk) 00:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Definitely a copyvio situation. While our article predates the earliest Internet Archive copies of those two sources, the earliest version of our article is a verbatim copy of the musician's website of the time. See https://web.archive.org/web/20040204000620/http://www.michaelhabermann.com/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Michael_Habermann&oldid=24277064 There is no copyright mention on the musician's website so we have to assume it is copyrighted. There are only minor differences between the current article and the initial 2005 version, so in my opinion this is a WP:TNT situation. the entire article should be deleted as a copyvio, and recreated with independent sources if warranted. Meters (talk) 01:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

His current page, https://www.michaelhabermann.com/ is copyrighted 2001, and the ABOUT MICHAEL HABERMANN subpage, https://www.michaelhabermann.com/about/_index.html is unchanged from the version we copied in 2005. Meters (talk) 01:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Nominated as a copyvio WP:TNT at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Michael Habermann. Meters (talk) 02:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Do not see edit button

I do not see an edit button when I log in. Have I been blocked? If so, why? Davidhhelman (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

You are not blocked. If you were you would not have been able to edit this page. Meters (talk) 02:00, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

@Davidhhelman: There are some pages that have certain levels of protection. Did you see a lock icon by the top-right corner of the page? An exception I'm aware of is the main page, which is fully protected, or administrator-only. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

If you can share what pages you were looking at, we could confirm if they are indeed protected which might prevent you from editing. Depending on what device/brower/skin you're using instead of an edit button you might see something like "view source" and if you see that, then there is a very high likelyhood the page you want to edit has been protected, often because of vandalism, and things such as recent political events or global news are often falling into this category. If you want to see something changed on those pages, you can make a WP:EDITREQUEST on the talk page of the article. When you do that, please be specific on you want "X changed to Y" and provide reliable sources to support that change. TiggerJay (talk) 15:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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