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To whoever left the insulting message on my talkpage, unsigned -- that was rude and cruel. Call me an alien if you want, but don't throw misogynistic slurs my way. ] (]) 09:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
== Re: Laundry Article ==


==Please come back==
Dear Zora,
Hi Zora. The Bollyeood project on here has ground to a halt. We no longer have editors like you and Pa7 around to improve content like we used to. BollywoodDreamz has little time for wikipedia anymore with uni committments and a lot of Shahid's time is spent reverting stupid edits and fighting silly editors. Please consider returning and restoring order once again. We could hhonestly do with several hundred Zoras to keep the project in order and to improve the quality of content. Regards.<span style="border:2px solid #C5B358 ;padding:0px;">]</span><sup>]</sup> 12:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I second that. I think you were an amazing editor, and one of my favourite. I'm really sorry if you consider me as one of those "loons or ignorant POV-pushing fanatics". I'm not a nationalist, I never was. I'm willing to learn, but in this particular case, I just respectfully disagree. Anupam in fact contacted you to have you back on here to reinforce his POV. I still appreciate you for the efforts. ] • <sup>'']''</sup> 20:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


==Warning==
I am writing you with regards to the message you sent to me. I was doing research and found the Misplaced Pages listing on laundry. I have been aware of this new type of process for a few years now, and that was the impetus for including the listing. There was no mention about it in the article, only some strange process for washing clothes in the back trunk of your car (which was apparently acceptable). I added the link ONLY as a way to give visitors another place to find information about the new(er) process, since the encyclopedia doesn't cover it. It has nothing to do with commercial purposes (on my part) and if I broke the rules regarding Misplaced Pages policy, I apologize. But you still shouldn't jump to conclusions like that. I think the content itself was valid (without the link), and I am only trying to contribute. This is the first time I have tried to contribute to Misplaced Pages. I can't know everything right off the bat. I thought my contribution was valid. Please give me your feedback. Thank you very much. (I hope this is the right place to respond to you).
Zora, please do not change articles until consensus is reached. Do not use sections on which you add information to deviously add your POV. No colloquial register. The language of the films is Hindi and people watch them because of the similarity between the languages and because Urdu words have been used from time to time.. If you do it again, I'll request admin help. Thanks, ] • <sup>'']''</sup> 10:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


== Re: Rang De Basanti == == so... ==
Hi Zora,


how are you doing? It's been such a long time I don't think you even remember who I am :). Last time we talked, you were very stressed...thatdoesn't seem to have changed. Hope all is well with you. ] (]) 21:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with the revert to the Rang De Basanti page as when someone reads a plot synopsis, they expect a summary of the whole story. I also dont think its fair to say that readers dont read long synopses since that is a generalization and not a fact. Not to mention, the synopsis I wrote was not as long as other plot summaries I have read on Misplaced Pages. Addressing the issue of giving away the ending, that is what a plot summary is supposed to do. While the plot synopsis may be boring, it is the reader's choice to read the article and if he chooses to disregard the warning : '''Plot and/or ending details follow''' (written in Bold) then, that is the reader's conscious decision. However, in the interest of not starting a revert war, I will not revert the article back but I would appreciate a response.
==Talkback==
Saw your edit after adding the talkback message—better...--] (]) 18:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


yes, Zora, you're sorely missed, especially for Islam-related articles, where it's quite difficult to find un-emotional, serious editing. All the best ] (]) 08:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks


== Bollywood ==
== Thanks for telling me about King Kamehameha IV ==


Zora, please assume good faith and do not revert editors who are much more experienced than you are. If you are reverting something which has been protested by someone else, kindly discuss on the talk page first, and then edit.
Hi Zora,


Secondly, mention of other specific film industries is NOT relevant in the lead of this article. This article is about Hindi cinema, not Telugu, not Marathi and not Tamil. If people want to know what the other parts of Indian cinema are, they can refer to that page. Also, the user mentioned only several industries, while there are much, much more. We are not here to make choices. If you wanna add something, then rephrase it first, do not leave it for others to fix.
Wow, you scared the life out of me when you told me that a section about the history of King Kamehameha IV was deleted from wikipedia. I think my 12 year old daughter may have accidentally deleted that while I was still logged on to my computer. I am a Hawaii history nut myself so, my heartfelt thanks goes out to you for restoring that section.


You did not even check what the user added and where he added it. He actually inserted his text within a footnote, which is a very wrong format. Next time please check before reverting.
My daughter just completed a research project about Jonathan Napela, the resident superindent of the Kalaupapa leper colony on Molokai for Hawaii History Day. It was a media project. I am thing about posting the documentary on wikipedia.


For now, I added a short clause which makes the sentence clearer. If you think you can rephrase it in a better way, that would be great. ] • <sup>'']''</sup> 14:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that you speak Tongan and French. I speak Tahitian and French since I lived in Tahiti a ways back.


:That certainly was not my meaning, and if you felt so, I apologise. I do not own the article and I think not even once have I ever shown such intents. First, I never "ordered" anything. Second, I did not ask you to consult me but use the talk page. Thirdly, I said that because your revert was totally inappropriate and insulting. You just restored a text which was placed within a footnote, that's improper formatting, and you should have checked it before. The first thing anyone would conclude from that is that you are not assuming good faith on them and reverting them just for the sake of reverting specifically their edits.
I top acting cranky! ==
:I am aware of all the incidents you had to go through, and I've actually felt the same when people like you indirectly accused me of being a nationalist, while I'm not. My religion is none of anyone else's business. I like editing and improving articles, not fighting over scripts, but I had an opinion, I still hold it, and several intelligent editors share the same view. When I joined Misplaced Pages, I appreciated your hard work, though frankly I recently got very disappointed by your attitude towards me, which includes being occasionally rude and mostly assuming bad faith on my part. I cannot accept that. That made me understand why many people did not get along with you at the time. Previously I used to think there was something wrong with them, not with you. But now...
Don't be childish! The other editors like the page. And if you think it's bad english then correct it rather than reverting the page. stop creating conflicts. why don't you find a new other hobby~ you're acting childish and i think it's because you're having heavy periods. just stop annoying me.{{unsigned|Shez 15}}
:Just like you tell me of your previous hard work, I collaborated with many editors who always expressed their appreciation, even those you used to interact with back in time, such as Plumcouch, Pa7, Grenavitar, etc., perhaps with the exception of Shez 15, who is no longer active, and it doesn't really matter now.
:If you're back, then good for you, but I somehow feel you were constantly angry not only then, but now too. That's not how it should be on WP, you must have fun, otherwise this place is not for you (I'm not referring to you specifically but to the whole breed of WP editors).
:Anyway, there is a new clause in the article which I think is very good, so this topic should be probably closed. ] • <sup>'']''</sup> 19:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)




== ] nomination of ] ==


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== Thanks ==


== Bollywood scratch pad ==
Thanks Zora for the blog. It was interesting. I read the first article "Jews During Holocaust Reviled For Being “Muslim”". I felt I can not agree with editor on all points there. Of course I am neither knowledgeable enough nor am a good example of a typical Muslim. I agree with the conclusion that:"They (the Muselmanns) became indifferent to everything happening around them. They excluded themselves from all relations to their environment." but based on other reasons rather than submission to God's will.


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My POV is that Islam encourages people to pay much more attention to hereafter rather than their worldly life. So, I believe this made many people lose their motivation to work hard, be productive and active. I don't say that there are not arguments against this interpretation but I definitely believe that the Qur'an and Hadiths encourage people to take their worldly life much easy. This is why I believe the following statement was/(is?) a good description of many Muslims. "They (the Muselmanns) became indifferent to everything happening around them. They excluded themselves from all relations to their environment."
== ] files in your user space ==
] Hey there Zora, thank you for your contributions. I am a ], alerting you that ] files are ]. I some files I found on ]. In the future, please refrain from adding fair-use files to your ] or your ].


* See a log of files removed today ].
Some Qur'anic and Hadith evidences:


* Shut off the bot ].
“Set forth to them the similitude of the life of this world: It is like the rain which we send down from the skies: the earth's vegetation absorbs it, but soon it becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter: it is (only) God who prevails over all things. “ (18:45)


* Report errors ].
Ali said in his last will: "My advice to you is to be conscious of Allah and steadfast in your religion. Do not yearn for the world, and do not be seduced by it. Do not resent anything you have missed in it. Proclaim the truth; work for the next world."


Thank you, -- ] (]) 05:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
" Imam Ali (as) wrote to Salman al Farsi (ra) : To continue, surely, the likeness of this world is that of a snake: it is soft to touch, and deadly poisonous. The ignorant child is distracted by it, and the one with understanding and intellect is cautious of it. So turn away from what fascinates you in it, for how little of it stays with you."
==Talkback==
{{talkback|Talk:Hadith |Hadith as Scripture|ts=20:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)}}
==Talkback==
{{talkback|Supertouch|ts=22:54, 18 September 2010 (UTC)}}


== Hadith ==


I see that it has been which looking at the history for today is a good idea. ], waits for audience ], not a ]. 14:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Maybe as the editor said "Very few understood what I had done", I am not understanding his point.
:Semi-protected as well. Would have been quicker but I got logged out as I went from my talk page to the hadith page. ], waits for audience ], not a ]. 07:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::I've semi-protected it for a week. ] (]) 00:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


== references ==
Anyways, thank you very much for the blog again. --] 04:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
: Oh Zora, I can now understand that I didn't understand anything of that article. I can now see in what sense the word "submission" is used there. I ''think'' "submission to God" in the Islamic sense is supposed to mean "submission to God's commandments" and not "submission to fate". The example usually made is Abraham's obedience of God's commandment in sacrificing his son.
: Unfortunately this is misused by some Muslims who believe Muslims should blindly follow the clerics.
: But letting this aside, thanks for the beautiful prayer.
: I usually start very energetic and impulsive but give up soon I think. Thank you very much again for both the blog and the prayer. --] 07:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


No problem: I am just happy that someone is adding refs at all! ] <span style="color:green">||</span> ] 23:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
==Rajesh Khanna==
Made it 4 movies, will work on the awards. Also will first get sources and add a bit about the hysteria he used to generate ( god knows why) which was quite remarkable for India at that stage.] 10:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


== Archive == == Re:Muwatta ==


{{Talkback|Shaad lko|Muwatta|ts=04:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)}}


==Histiography and nationlism==
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: You're right. Done. ] 13:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC) : Not opening another front in the Israeli-Palestinian wars. No way. ] (]) 04:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:: Wow. That was quick. It looks great now. Are you an admin? I notice that you have 12000 edits and way too many barnstars :) - ] (]) 13:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Having four different editors mad at you is an achievement in itself. You have only been blocked once (for 3RR) and you were not afraid to admit it yourself. That just shows your level headedness. Even though you never become an admin, please don't stop editing controversial articles as long as you don't violate policies. There is always someone who must do the dirty job. Maybe someday some great editor like Nichalp or Durin would notice you and nominate you for adminship. - ] (]) 13:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
::::I agree with Akash. Most of us are not bold enough to pick up tiffs with controversial editors. Someone is always required to make that bold revert & put their foot down. I feel you are a tremendous asset to Misplaced Pages. Keep it up! Cheers. --<b>]<font color="green">]</font>]</b><sup>'''<span style="color:#800080">(</span>'''] ¦ ]'''<span style="color:#800080">)</span>'''</sup>'' 14:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


== Shez == ==Welcome back==


=) ] (]) 21:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
I've blocked Shez for 24hrs for being uncivil. 4 editors at once?! But I'm sure you'd agree with me that none of these 4 can match up to LordSuryaofShropshire posts. ] ] 15:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
:I've blocked Anwar too. ] ] 15:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


== Browncoat? == == You're being quoted ==


Hi. This is just a courtesy note to let you know you made five years ago has been quoted in the current discussion at . --] (]) 13:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
What's a ] - ] 17:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


== Warning ==
] I have heard Serenity is the greatest sci-fi movie ever, but also to watch the TV series first... the whole TV series was on my pay-per-view menu, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Sounds more delightful than ever though. There is also a "reaver" in '']'', which is absolutely worth getting hold of; the reaver there is a nearly invincible "femtotech" robot. But ] predate both the others by over five years. - ] 20:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


Zora, your reversal of my edits, which go in accordance with policy, is completely unacceptable, and more so the rude way in which you have done it, which I'm not going to tolerate any longer. Stop thinking that your opinion matters the most, and before giving support to such claims as "enormous film empire" and "Stars, rather than plots, were often the driving force behind the films", and a whole unsourced block of original research, read ] and ] and kindly familiarise yourself with the process of Misplaced Pages editing. The introduction has been this way for years, if you want to change it then discuss. And your constant assertions that Bollywood is not the Hindi film industry do not make much sense unless you can prove reality is wrong.
==Category deletion==
Hi Zora, have you any interest in ], which has recently been emptied out and may possibly be soon?? Could you salvage it, have you any knowledge of the topic? ] 21:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


Yes, the first thing that a reader should see is indeed the language of a film industry (particularly when it comes to India, in which every film industry is sorted by language, basically), and the ''lingua franca'' of Bollywood is Hindi, as it is mentioned in possibly every Indian film article, and almost every source on the article. The use of Urdu is mentioned perfectly, its use has been fading, and today most films do not even have Urdu scripts in the opening credits. "Encyclopaedia of Hindi cinema", the largest book written about this film industry, published by Britannica and written by the likes of Gulzar, as well as numerous other books which you can see on the net, acknowledge Bollywood as Hindi cinema, and this is how it has been known for years. Film certificates, too, mention Hindi as the language of Bollywood films, and the term Bollywood in indeed informal (and mind you, it is a ''term'' used to refer to the industry, not the industry itself).
== Menehune ==


Your attempts to erase them border on vandalism, and your penchant to accuse others of nationalism will not be taken lightly. Your insistence to see everything as negative and think that everyone is based on national grounds is of least interest to me. I'm not here to serve your agenda, and do not expect me, or anyone else, for that matter, to follow your personal preferences. Want to start another long discussion? Do it! But please do cite sources (which you never do, because everything you say is right, isn't it?) and do not feel you own Misplaced Pages because you do NOT.
] has added a WikiProject Paranormal tag to ]. I don't think this is appropriate given the users comments about "bigfoot" and "flying saucers" on my talk page. I feel that these paranormal enthusiasts are taking advantage of Hawaiian folklore, mythology, legend, and history, by trying to label menehune as "paranormal phenomena" (they're not doing this on the ] page). I don't think the "paranormal" has any place in this article. The user has also added a paranormal external links section which should be removed. &mdash;] | ] 23:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


Next time you revert, I will report you on ANI. Instead of dictating, enforcing your biased views, and coming here from time to time only to revert someone, I suggest you to contribute to the project by trying to improve it. I personally am trying to do it every day. Enough is enough. ] • <sup>'']''</sup> 22:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


== Film category ==


== Your ] nomination of ]==
I have removed the category on the Indian films with Muslim background .I will discuss it first .] 23:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


The article ] you nominated as a ] has passed ]; see ] for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and ] yourself? ]]]] 08:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
== Request for Editor / User Page Review ==
Hey {{PAGENAME}} –
You opposed ] on rationale I believe may have been related to ]. In the time since then, I have changed my page to be more ] (which still conforms with my personal beliefs) and removed the majority of information regarding my conversion to Islam in favor of a section on my philosophy (as well as ]). Now, I'm looking for your feedback on what you think of the redesign of the page and whether it is sufficient in quelling the March controversy over the page as well as solving the issue about possible inability to maintain a ], especially in religion-related articles. For what it's worth, the reason I kept a condensed version of the timeline was because there were, and still are, many people who find it interesting instead of a form of proselytization. Many people have also given me positive feedback on ] regarding the look of the page. I personally believe that it is okay to insert individuality onto user pages, especially if it still promotes a sense of community. That is what I was going for with this current version of my user page.


== A barnstar for you! ==
Please make comments regarding the user page on ]. Thanks in advance. ]]] 14:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
==Template:Islam==
Hi , I have included a new image in the talk page of the Islam template, please make your comments about it to be included in the template, thanks {{smiley|1}} ] <sup><font size="-2">]</font></sup> 18:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
==70.134.82.18==
this is my ip..I guess. I got the message that it did vandilism but I didnt. The article was ], but I never been on that aritcle or vanilised it. I dont get it,how did my ip get into this..] 19:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


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== re the Salafi article ==


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Zora:


Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the ], but other ]es exist. In particular, the ] process can result in deletion without discussion, and ] allows discussion to reach ] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> ] (]) 18:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
You are right when you say that some of those who walk under the banner of "Salafi" advocate the killing of the Shia. With regards to violent attacks on Sufis, I am not familiar with any or have heard of these groups attacking them so I don't think I should comment in that regard.


::I noticed your message on the talk page of the article. I was the one who proposed its deletion. Since I used the PROD (PROposed Deletion) method, you can object to the proposed deletion. Since it is a PROD, simply delete the tag from the top of the article to object and cancel the deletion process. (Note that this only applies with a PROD, not a nomination into Articles for Deletion). --] (]) 15:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Maybe the biggest issue in that sentence is the use of a generality. I consider myself to try to follow the Salafi ideology. I am not the type who supports Usama ibn Laden, but instead in the vein of Shaykh Abd al-Azeez ibn Baaz and Shaykh Muhammad ibn Uthaymeen. Along with Shaykh al-Albani, these are probably the biggest three scholars of Salafism in most peoples estimation in the past 25 years or so. To my knowledge, none of them have declared sufis and shias as a whole and specifically the individual followers of that methodology heretics. Maybe the article would be better suited with instead of explaining this issue in a general sentence, explain that those who say they adhere to the Salafi ideology have different views on the Sufis and the Shias. Some consider these groups heretics while other say the common shia or sufi is astray.


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The reason I selected astray for this was because it was more encompassing of all the views of Salafis in this regard. Clearly, for those who consider them to be heretics, then they would necessarily consider them astray. I wanted to only make a small edit without changing the whole article.
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Sorry if the way I sent this message is not inline with the protocol of how responses to wikipedia messages are sent. I usually when it comes to the articles only try to make a contribution without causing an argument or getting involved in those that already exist. Hopefully, my edit wasn't too bold for that article.
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Hello, as per one of your suggestions, ] was split into an article about the academy and one about the city (]). Comments welcome. ] 07:47, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


== Indian Cinema Task Force in the ''Signpost'' ==
==Fashion Freedom==
I consolidated my responses at the ] article. I've been involved with this movement for just over ten years. You may well be a wikipedian extraordinairre, but when it comes to this particular topic, it's clear from your off-target comments (see link) that you simply have no knowlege of this rather extensive movement. Nothing personl, but I and many othes would appreciate it if you would refrain from hacking something simply because you've never heard of it before. Lack of knowledge about something doesn't mean it's a target for deletion. It means that you need to take the time to research the topic more thoroughly. I've added some additional links to the article which may help bring you up to speed on this movement.


The WikiProject Report would like to focus on the Indian Cinema Task Force for a ''Signpost'' article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, ''']'''. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -] (]) 16:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
== Removals of Commercial Link ==


== Bukhari link ==
Nevermind. I sent you answer to your answer already. Take care/

== Sari links ==

I just added that html comment tags because an anon editor was adding a real commercial link (one with lots of ads) to the page. And yes, the sari page is in dire need of some good photos. Let me see if I can get any. Regards -- ]<sup>a.k.a.D<font color="green">]</font>epu<font color="white">_</font>Joseph |<font color="green">]</font></sup> 10:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

== First time here ==


Zora, Zora,
I saw you removed the link I added for a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari. In defense of putting it back up:


# The current and only link for Sahih al-Bukhari is down and has been down a while
Let me apologize if this is the wrong way to reply to the message you left me. I'm new here, so I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to reply on your page or my own page.
# The current translation is missing a lot of hadith and has a lot of typos, and every single hadith (except the first two) have the wrong reference numbers.
# Sunnah.com is not a "religious" site, i.e. there is no preaching going on. It just has translations.
# The translator for both is actually the same - the version on sunnah.com has just been cleaned up more is all.


] (]) 18:21, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Anyways, let me thank you for the points you brought up first of all. Then I'd like to point out that text can always be misinterpreted and seem to give a different meaning than that intended by the author, as in my case. What I wrote is not propaganda (and I actually do not appreciate the accusation) rather it is my complete honesty. I'm trying to explain to people simply, there are NO groups in Islam and there is one correct path as clear in the Qur'aan and Sunnah. This path does not belong to anyone, and no one has the right to block anyone from following it (as many students of knowledge do these days). Also, no matter what you call it, it is the same manhaaj (curriculum), whether it is called Salafi or XYZ or whatever. The point of using the word Salafi is to simplify the saying "We follow the Qur'aan and Sunnah, with the understanding of the Companions." As an Information Science graduate (both at the UG and Master's level) I feel that I can add value to this statement by saying that Humans by nature like to simplify and classify everything. It allows for them to feel that they have everything simple and organized in their heads. This is also one of many neuro-cognitive psychological theories (schemas in the brain). I'll spare you the mombo jumbo of all the science stuff, I'm sure you understand my point.


== Reply on your review at ] ]. ==
Also, I will take your consideration to heart and try to clarify some points that may have been misunderstood and simply not correct. You mentioned that my words seemed to simplify that any layman can look into the qur'aan and sunnah and get understanding - which is not 100% accurate, rather scholars help interprete the meaniend with their vast knowledge (as any scholar in any other field would). Also, you mentioned about following the "right" scholars - the right scholars are known by the truth like the saying goes "Men are known by the truth, truth is not known by men" or maybe I reversed it. Anyways... I appreciate you taking the time to read my lengthy article and critique it. I hope that there will be more dialouge between us in the future. However, I would appreciate it if it is within the bounds of friendly manners. I'm not writing any of this stuff for my own sake, or my own fame and glory. I do it for Allah's sake sincerely and I try to display the truth as best as I can, considering that I am not very knowledgable at all. With that said, I hope that we can have constructive discussions in the future. Then I'll have something to do at 9am when I get to work : )


Thanks, for your elaborate review on the templates. ( Detailed reply is on my ] ). -- ] (]) 09:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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== Box office == == Hadith ==


Zora, I was not implying that collecting hadith was unique to Shi'a. Please re-read my edit. However I do believe the phenomenon of compiling 100+ volume compilations that are in common circulation in the post-mediaeval period is uniquely Shi'i.
Hello, Zora,
I know that we don't have screen and box office information on any of our articles and I do intend to keep it that way, but the ] article always seems to be a battle ground, so I thought (not sure if it was such a good idea, though - maybe it's just useless) to first talk about *why* we remove certain parts of the current article, so people understand and we don't get another revert war and no one gets banned like ] did. I thought it might be helpful, also for the anon user who was reverting stuff -- maybe to get him/her understand and adopt a user name. What do you think? Is it just useless? You have more experience than I have when it comes to stuff like that. Best regards, --] 21:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


Currently the article implies that Shi'a only use 4 hadith books which is not true.
: If I had to put up a list which editor on WP I seek to emulate, you would be number one, since you were the first person on WP to talk to me and I think you set things right in the best way possible. Sometimes, I don't know what to say if someone comes up with something really weird on a page. I'm just baffled. You always seem to know what to say - that's quite frustrating for someone who's still trying really hard. Anyway, as for the ] article: when everyone has had his/her say during the next 24 hours and everything will be fine, we revert it back, if not, we make an support/against/neutral election and see what comes out of it. If that anon continues the way s/he does, I'll have to find a nice admin to help me. Do you think that's okay? It's the only thing I can think of to solve the situation. --] 21:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC) PS. And I don't think you're *hated* - maybe people are a tiny bit irritated, that's all. {{smiley|1}}


If you feel that I stated it in a misleading manner, why don't you edit what I wrote to make it clearer instead of just deleting it.
==Sorry!==
Hey! sorry Zora if i really offended you. it's just that i was really frustrated because you would constantly revert my edits without giving them thought like others did. we were all fine with what was put on the page until you came again and reverted it all. if you want anything to change. just reason with me before. i know our opinions may not be the same but we can compromise at times. You cut all references. that wasn't clever. u think the page is going to stay like it was a year ago but things change and new sections are added to pages. Anyway, I learnt my lesson from getting blocked. I would like it if you and plumcouch could tone the article down keeping all the sections intact like they are maybe improvise on wordings. By the way, I'm letting you keep the Veer-Zaara page as it is. Although, I totally disagree because Rani was named before Preity in the movie as well as on the official website due to many factors which are more known to the producer himself. The best example would be Devdas and there are many others. It's like Aishwarya Rai had the lead role in Devdas, Madhuri Dixit had the supporting role. Still, Madhuri was credited before her due to seniority, name, and many other factors. Here, Madhuri even had a shorted role. Despite, it's credited like that. But no points in arguing, it's going to be a messy fight if we keep going on in the case of Veer-Zaara. I need to compromise here. It doesn't really matter who is listed before. It's a minor thing. Yet, it would have done justice to the movie and the official website if it was otherwise. Leaving this behind, I am going to work on our working relationship. And I apologize truly for my bad behaviour. I really mean this although i can't expect you to forgive me. Thank you for your time! ] 19:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


I would appreciate it if you would put my addition back, and if you feel it needs to be improved, all the better.
==Oops!==
I didn't know about the revert rule! Secondly, I didn't revert anything, simply added things on a few pages. Or are you talking about Rani's page. I didn't get what you were trying to say. Please keep that format, just ask someone to help you tone it down. I promise I won't add more things for a long time if you tone it down on that format. Thanks!
] 01:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


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==Hi there==
Hey Zora. I have seen you editing around, esp. on the ] article. I have always noticed that you assume good faith and are working for the good of the encyclopedia. Always keep a cool head, and it is always good to ask other editors to come in and resolve disputes. Atleast, that is something which I do. Thank you for your cool contributions to Misplaced Pages. Regards, --<font color="blue">]</font><small> <font color="blue">]</font></small> 16:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


== Hadith - reply ==
==Personal Vendettas==
Zora, it's clear from your credentials that you're a crusader of sorts. Provided you crusade within your area of expertise, I'm all for that. But when you and others come into my area of expertise, claiming irrelevancy, neologism (impossible for acronyms in existence for more than a decade) and other irrelevant comments, it's disrespectful, at best. I liken it to an artist who attempts to correct a physicist that colors aren't additive. If the last didn't make sense to you, you're probably not a physicist. My point is that I've travelled the globe, lived in several countries, visited more than 30, have seen quite a few things in my 40+ years, and am merely attempting to document several rather sizeable phenomenon with respect to the numbers of individuals involved. It's not neologism (as discussed above). As I'm but one of 1.4 Billion men who wear MUGs, and am but one of at the very least several million men around the world who're familiar with this term, it's not "original thinking/authorship" etc., either.


With respect, I am a specialist in this area, and speaking from the perspective of knowledge of the subject area. I also referenced my additions. Your comment "I am sure that..." suggests that you are not specialized in this subject field.
Please take a step back, realize the world is a much larger place than any single person's limited sphere of understanding, and that Wiki caters to hundreds of nations, not just the Western few who wrongly believe men wearing anything but pants is somehow Biblically, and therefore wrong. Take a look at the plates in the back/front of any Bible. They depict Noah, Jesus, Moses, etc. - all wearing a MUG (male unbifurcated garment). The words aren't a new term. They're simply a collection of three words used to accurately describe, and encompass, this particularly form of fashion. Wiki even has a long-standing entry for "unbifurcated" which references clothing. These terms, in the English language for hundreds of years, were collected into the acronym MUG more than a decade ago as an alternative to saying "skirt-like garments" and "robe-like garments," particularly when some MUG wearers are highly offended by these terms as they equate them with women's clothing. But they're quite happy with MUG, as it's both an accurate description, and one that's not at all offensive.


I was doing my bit to improve the article which was clearly not appreciated.
I hope in the future you and others take the time to more thoroughly research the voluminous history behind Wiki articles before you vow to others that you're going to crusade against them (for as of yet unstated reasons). Please do all Wikipedians this service. Thank you for your time. ] 18:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


Anyway...I am not going to sit here and fight over the page because I have better things to do, however in the future I would request that you take the time to investigate the subject area deeply before making revisions on things just based on your personal intuition.


== Zora! == ==Invitation==
hi i want to invite you on to edit and watch edits going on barelvi and related articles.there is a serious wahabi pov push is going on this article including change of words modification of sentences.effort to show this movement in bad light.
I'm not angry at you! Just have a question! Are you going to constantly guard me? I mean no other editor has been reverting my contributions. It's only you. I mean I said sorry. Get over it! Don't need to get personal. What I did in Chalte Chalte trivia was added something new which i just found out. I've listed the site now. And there are many others. Rani was actually the first choice for the movie. Since, the page is already short, I added something. You have a problem? Aishwarya even stopped talking to Rani for what she did. But now it's cleared out. She was the first choice. Rani didn't stab her on the back. They were good friends before. Ash perhaps still doesn't know that Rani was the first choice of Chalte Chalte. Poor Ash! Still not working with Shahrukh for kicking her out! Anyway, you might not be aware of the whole thing. Watch koffee with karan! Shahrukh states these facts. Go to video search on yahoo and type koffee with karan! Well, I hope you don't watch me possesively. There must be something better to do besides watching me. You can work on Rani's page instead. Work on my version as a suggestion.
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==Bukhari teachings==
== I think it's great! ==
It wasn't my intent for that to be the only teaching, it's just one I came across, I figure there are ways to present the more important or controversial ones of note. Since it refers to the specific passage I figure it wasn't implying to represent the entire content. ] (]) 01:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
It's great you're correcting my language. I think it's good enough what you did on Bas Itna Sa Khwaab Hai. But whenever i put anything in trivia about rani, you revert it. I am only stating facts. That's my job. You can restructure things. I don't mind. By the way, I had a question! Can I reward someone with an award? Am I allowed to?
:It's not exactly just my own POV, the whole way I came across this was because of reading about it multiple reasons on various discussions about it. Anyway I don't see how it's PoV to pick one out, we can pick others out too and add them, if they're interesting, but still has to begin 1 at a time. If we never reproduce 1 line alone, we'd have to introduce many in one fell swoop and that's kinda hard.
:Anyway why should we only be presenting what so-called "scholars" choose to look at versus what they ignore? Who establishes their reliability? What establishes their opinions as notable? Degrees from institutions which are notable because... ? ] (]) 03:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


I guess I'm also concerned about neutrality, assuming they know more from having studied more, doesn't mean what they know will be presented. The issue here isn't even what it says, I already provided a reference (from the database we link at the bottom) showing it says that, just whether or not it should be highlighted. If we have already established enough notability of issues concerning Islam and LGBT for it to have its own page, wouldn't that establish the topic as notable enough to post any hadith phrases pertaining to the issue?


If not on the Bukhari page itself, would it warrant mentioning on the IaL article then? ] (]) 06:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
] 19:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


==Contact request regarding Xango==
== Muhammad ==
Hello, Zora. I remember you from the Xango page edits. I am interested in talking with you regarding Xango. Do you think there could be a chance?


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I don't question that the article is well researched, but as a researcher, knowing the source of claims is critical; if I were, as a Historian, to try to write a biography on Muhammad, I would need to be able to know where all of the statements, specifically, come from. I disagree entirely that it would make the article unwieldy; you might notice that ] is very heavily referenced throughout, and it was selected as a featured article on the anniversary of Joseph Smith's birthday. You may also note that virtually all respectable historical articles include cited references, either in-text as in the Joseph Smith, Jr. article, or using numbers and foot- or endnotes. As I came to the article on Muhammad hoping to use it as a beginning point for research on specific aspects of his life, finding no citations was quite disappointing for me. ] 23:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
:No harm done at all. I do understand your concern—the Joseph Smith article above includes citations from sources which may generally be considered quite dubious; however, seeing as many (if not most) of the sources critical of Smith are entirely unverified (and often tertiary sources themselves), they have been kept because there are some outspoken critics of Smith who insist that the article would be one-sided without them. In regards to Muhammad, I would recommend giving precedence to primary sources whenever possible, and when these are unavailable, more scholarly or professional secondary sources. As which source is used will not actually change the content of the article, I do not see how it would cause too much contention to simply use one or another arbitrarily.
:You seem to have a great deal of knowledge concerning Islam and its foundings; perhaps you could help me. My goal is actually to write a comparative paper on Muhammad and Joseph Smith, Jr. as founding prophets of restoration religions. Seeing as the history of Muhammad is, in its particuliars, very difficult to verify unless one accepts the Qur'an and ''hadith'' as factual, or undertakes extensive historical scrutiny to try to "weed out" the less historically verifiable elements. All of that, however, is beyond the scope of my paper, so I plan to take an internal approach—from the vantage of Muhammad as he is referred to in the Qur'an and the ''hadith'' (I am aware of any other arguably primary sources available. If you know of any, I would be appreciative to learn of them). What would be most useful to me is a biography of Muhammad annotated with references primarily to the Qur'an and the hadith. Do you know of any such, available in print or (preferably) online? As I am largely unfamiliar with Islamic history, I am having difficulty trying to determine which biographies would be best in this regard, and I do not have time to read them all, unfortunately. It also may be worth noting that I cannot read Arabic, so I am unable to use untranslated works. ] 02:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


== Please! ==
Could you please help me on Rani Mukerji's page. Can we please keep my form. I just want those categories: Early Work, Breakout Role and Mainstream Cinema. It goes very well with her page and career graph. If you could only work alongside me, we can make the page so much better. We just need to cooperate. I promise I'll listen to you and compromise the most. If it doesn't work out, you can revert to prior version. I'll move the page back to its older version. Just revise it! Tell me what you don't want on the page. I'll remove it or you can too. If you have any suggestions, I can incorporate them. You will be given the right to reframe sentences, however you want to structure them. I can give you references if you ask on the validity of a fact. I have already removed Fanta and other minor things not needed on the page. Personal life was the whole problem. I guess I'll remove it until someone starts dating her. Thanks! We can work on it! ] 20:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


==Succession to Muhammad Page==
==Mr Khanna ==
Rajesh Khanna's awards + info on "hysteria" + some biography details added along with sources. ] 16:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi Zora
== Thank You! ==
I noticed that you have been involved with the ] page. I added some content into the ] page but Kazemita1 keeps on removing it citing copy right violation even though I gave the references and the whole page is already full of quotes from various books. I want to avoid an edit war. I want to improve Misplaced Pages so that it contains researched scholarly content, that is useful to the readers. This whole article is full of people pushing their opinions. There needs to be a critical analysis of the content on this page. Various books have been written on this issues through out the ages and this content needs to be put into a table so that people could compare what was said when and by whom and why. Thanks --]
Hey! Thanks so much for your advice. I think you're right about the breakout role. I just thought she had a lulled career graph after Kuch Kuch Hota Hai with many average earners. Then, after Saathiya, she had simultaneous hits. But i guess we can make a breakout role for her when she retires. Anyway, pa7 and others edited the page and made it great! By the way, I'm not touching the Rani's page for a while now. Disputes just make me go crazy! I thought in the meanwhile I could create more articles on her links to movies which I find interesting. I don't think I'll make a page for every movie! Well, I have exams coming up too! So, I won't bother you guys much for the next month. Have fun with work! ] 18:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


== Dia Mirza == == Hawaii edit-a-thon! ==


Hello. I'm interested in attempting to put together an edit-a-thon for Hawaiian cultural topics something during the ] festival perhaps around the month of November. The hope is that our lackluster coverage of Hawaiian mythology could be improved with help from the ], ], and the Honolulu public library. I am in the process of making initial contacts with these organizations as well as Wikimedia DC's GLAM project. If this sounds like something you might be interested in participating in, or perhaps helping to coordinate, could you please add your name to ]?--v/r - ]] 21:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Zora,
I've got some problems over at the ] article. Two guys are there: one wants his homepage be displayed there at all costs and the other wants a mediator (I think it's such a small matter -- why a mediator?) to resolve the "conflict". If you have time, maybe you could have a look? I'd be eternally grateful. ;) Best regards, --] 21:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


== Looking for editors to help with an Asian Pacific American edit-a-thon in Honolulu ==
You're welcome; I'll remove protection in a few days unless I hear from you sooner. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


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Aloha!
1- some of the shiite are Persian and the others are Turk, Arab and etc. So the fight between Safavids and Ottomans isn't important for some of us.


2- Shiites have never used star and crescent as their symbol so they don't familiar with it. We preffer to use mousqe or Shahada as the symbol or any other symbol which relates to Islam in our minds.


Last summer I moved to the Seattle area after 14 years in Kailua on Oahu. I immediately fell in with the as it formed, joined its board and became its first president as well as the ] representative for Washington State.
3- Shahada as I know has only one form and we use from what] <sup><font size="-2">]</font></sup>has designed in farsi wikipedia, although most of Persian are Shiite.
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I guess you aren't familiar with Islam and Shiite too.--] 03:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


Recently, Adriel Luis, Curator (Digital & Emerging Media) at the , contacted me about setting up an ] like the previous ] edit-a-thon. In addition to discussing one for Seattle, he wrote:
'''shahada'''«شهادتَین»(which means two confesses)is the words that you say when you want to become Muslim and repeat it in each pray(salat). Absolutely there isn't anything but I believe to one God(Allah) and Mohammad is his prophet'''''.«أشهدُ ان لا اله الا الله و اشهد انّ محمدا رسول الله»'''''


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So there isn't any difference betweeen shi'a and Sonni. But what shi'a said isn't added to it.
It is:«'''''اشهد انّ علیا ولي الله'''''» and we say it in Azan.--] 07:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


As I was working two jobs while I lived on Oahu, I did not have the opportunity to meet your or any other Wikipedians at the time. Hence, the reason why I am contacting you now.
==Help! ]==
Just did a major rewrite on a previously very choppy piece on Borobudur, the section on ''Interpretation'', however, I have nearly nil background in Buddhism, some of the texts cited I can't find any other ref to - can you have a quick look please? Or suggest someone who might have requisite smarts? (I haven't forgotten that jewelry stuff, btw, just been real byusy on some Ancient Greece translations).] 18:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


If you would like to help, please contact me through one of these methods:
Thanks (I think {{smiley|1}}) Have moved the ref to a footnote, recovered some of the overwrite; the {fact} tags though, now you are making me go to the library & dig out Miksic; as this came from the Dutch article & all the rest of the facts check out ok I was fairly confident (plus it makes eminent sense) The bit about the Burmese quote, very germane to the impact construction had on the economy; I'll dig up the ref, there is some evidence out there that after the completion the stability of the Sailendra went to heck, likely as result of economy; so off to more reading.] 22:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
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== Ads in Mirza's article ==


Mahalo,<br/>
Hi, Zora,
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just noticed you removed the Ads again - it will be to no avail. Just check the last four to five comments on the discussion page. These anons are slowly but surely starting to get on my nerves. Best regards, --] 22:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


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:I have read a number of those scholars and I disagree with your categorization , though like you I may not be able to vouch for all of them. As far ar Reza , he is definitely in the bridging the divide category as you will quickly see when you read his book.I you look at his sources , which are listed at the end of his book you will since a staggering list of Islamic as well as non-Islamic sources. And what he writes is exactly that , what I might describe as a synthesis of several views structured into a unified vista. Furthermore I do not , what you mean as traditional Islamic training, since this is a subjective standard . --] 23:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
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== Historiography==
Based on what you say , I think you have a misunderstanding on the meaning of that word. Historiography is defined as the writing of history based on a critical analysis, evaluation, and selection of authentic source materials and composition of these materials into a narrative subject to scholarly methods of criticism. However I do see the point that you are bringing up , since this word is subject to ambiguity and possible misinterpretation by the readers, who are likely to miss the subtle difference between the word historiography and history. Somehow I feel that the word historian is too broad , since this word does not imply any real adherance to standards of verifiable research. Historiographer on the other hand does imply an examination of the methodology used in research and the use of actual historical evidence and primary sources--] 17:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

== Nomination ==

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'''Please''' accept it Zora. Please. --] 02:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Zora, I am more abrupt and short-tempered than you; be sure. Please do not forget that you have too many friends as well. Guess what, I will dishonestly secretly inform all your friends about your RfA. The RfA will be up for a week. Who checks the ] link frequently? btw, who are the Shia/Iranian editors you have conflict with? Maybe I can be helpful since I am both Shia and Persian. Maybe. --] 02:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

: Let me chat a bit with ManiF and Zereshk about your adminship first. Maybe it works, maybe not. I hope it does. --] 02:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


Zora, I had a chat with ManiF about your adminship. Based on our conversation, it seems I can be of no help here. Zereshk has not responded me yet, but I found his opinion about you here: , it is in Persian, you can't read. It is about your views on Shiasm. With high probability, Zereshk will reply me back the same thing. Again, I don't think I would be able to be of any help here either. I sometimes doubt who I am. Am I really a Muslim? Am I really a Shia? I think I am. Today someone who knew me for awhile told me that I am not. He told me I have no relationship with God and that is true. I used to have, but not anymore. But at least I have not forgotten to use the term “God” in my writings. I used the word “God” several times here. At least I have something to cling to. Tiny but pure. Enough for me not to lose my hope. --] 09:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

May I say that it is absolutely disgusting that discussions about a user are held in a language a user cannot understand. To non-Farsi speakers, it looks like malicious gossip and conspiratorial.--] 11:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

== Please look at this ==


:Apparently there is an RFC impending, see ] and ], see also ].''']''' | ] 08:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

==an advice==
salam.

I'm the guy who debate you about Shahada in Islam. I'm Persian so if there's any mistake in my text, please forgive me. I spoke with Zeresk and also read Amins opinion about you. I don't want to guide on he basis of this narrow information, but I found you an eager person without expert knowledge about Islam. So I want to introduce some good books.

1-If you want to become familiar with theology of Shi'a, Please read "The History of Islamic Philosophy" which has been written by ] And I guess ha has several books about Shi'a and Islam. Also his books are philosophical and he use phenomenological methodology.

2- If you don't have enough knowledge, please read "Shia in Islam" and "Quran in Islam, which have written by ] . He wrote these books, because an American professor wanted to introduce Shiite to American academic society. But understanding these books doesn't need academic knowledge.

3- Also you can read "Islam:AN Introduction" which has written by ] and "Understanding Islam" which has written by ] .

I can introduce some books about politics in Shi'a and some books about Iran if you want.

I hope The God guide you and me to real truth.--] 01:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

== RE: Muhammad ==

I would agree with the way you put it is better. However I thought the way it was said before was pussy-footing around the issue a bit. I just tried to clarify it. I'm sure it goes without saying but I didn't mean anyone any disrespect.--] 16:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

==Bindi==
Sorry to say, I am getting why people find you a pain. So the occasional Hindu woman beset in Hawaii by an alien culture renounces use of the Bindi. Big deal. This must rank with your assertion that you have seen endless women dancing Bharatnatyam on stage with their breasts uncovered. ] 20:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:Dear, good, all-forgiving Zora auntie, I am ''sorry,'' I really am. You are a blessing to WP -- think of all those specimens out there. I have been spending all this time thinking how best to amend the above, while making the point that every oddity on earth need not get equal time on WP. ''please please please...'' accept my apology. ] 20:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Only two of those several women are without Bindis, and how do you know that they are even Hindu?? Let me tell you that you are misinformed in both 'white for widow' and 'urban woman' affairs, but that for later. I am rewording to say 'traditional', so as to make room for the odd deviant. If you have a reference for a Hindu community where the Bindi is ''not'' traditional, that would be very noteworthy, please let me know. ] 21:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:Right, I like to think of myself as being adept at language and wording, but just see the influence of context -- I read the "new fashion" statement and trotted out the 'always'. Bad day. Why don't Wikipedians ever interact except to argue?? Structural flaw. Take care, ] 22:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

== Requesting opinion of Muslim editors ==

Hello! (I know you're not Muslim but you're very knowledgeable on the subject.) Could you please stop by ] and give your opinion? We are debating whether the word 'monotheism' should be included in the intro to the ] article. According to most dictionaries, the definition of monotheism is ''The dogma or belief that there is one God''. Now, all Christians believe there is one God and all Christian creeds (such as the ] and ]) profess a belief in one God. The point of contention is the ]. Christians believe that ], ] (Jesus), and ] all make up one ] of God, i.e. are three parts of one God (known as ]). Now, several editors think that because this is different from the Islamic view of ]--and they alledge Muslims think Christians are not monotheistic, but ]--we cannot say Christianity is monotheistic like is done in the ] article. Many editors content, however, that the definition of monotheism is based solely on ''belief'', not truth. So if Christians believe their God is one God, they are by definition monotheistic, even if they may not be right. All it takes to be monotheistic is to believe there is one God. Others, however, think we can only say "Christianity is a monotheistic religion according to its followers." Again, some editors (including myself) have issue with this because it's basically like saying "Christianity believes it believes that there is one God," which of course is redundant. In my opinion, monotheism by definition ''is'' the belief! None-the-less, we would like to know from a Muslim editor: 1) Do Muslims view Christianity as ]? 2) Even if so, considering Christians still ''believe'' there is one God, are they still not monotheistic? Sorry for the long post, but there's a lot of debate I had to summarize. Thanks, —] 21:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

== ]'s personal attacks ==

I think you should report him for his incivil remarks and his accusations against you . The best way to deal with such editors is not to ignore them, but to take action against them. --] 19:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

:I don't know how you deal with it, but if he does go way over the line, please do notify the admins. I don't think anyone should suffer this kind of abuse. --] 06:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

==the troll==
I know, he stalked me too. I unceremoniously issued two rangeblocks, let's see if that buys us peace until 11:05 UTC tomorrow :) ] <small>]</small> 11:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
==bragging==
It's not about bragging, its about highlighting how well developed the science was, thats why it is in. --]\<sup>]</sup> 12:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi Zora, I think you were once involved in the article on ], right? I've finally expanded that article with a plot summary, want to have a look? Cheers, ] ] 13:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== Sushmita Sen in Main Aisa Hi Hoon ==

Hi, Zora,
I noticed you removed the comment about '']'' in ]'s article. I've seen both movies, ], and ] and think it's pretty obvious that MAHH is a remake. I didn't meant to make it sound like an accusation or as something to play down Sushmita Sen's ability as an actress, merely to state the fact that Sen had the ] role in the movie. Can't we let it in? --] 21:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

:: Hi, Zora, thanks for your swift reply. Don't worry - it takes more to discourage me and I have too much fun here to just leave this place. As to your reply: I will check out this ] article and maybe, I can contribute. Yours, truly, --] 22:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

==Don't remove==

I don't think you should remove those facts because they are great achievements. Having a foreign audience of 50,000 people watch your movies with subtitles says a lot about global cinema coming together. The facts that she was on the power list is a tremendous honor. we shouldn't remove that too. You need to put something on the page. It is so bland, it simply talks about seven famous movies of her and that too in no details. It's so boring. If you keep adding facts, one day, we will have a lot of information to divide the text into sections and make it detailed. Lastly, Har Dil Jo Pyar Karega and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke are Rani's major films post Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, you can't just leave a blank for four years after KKHH and put Saathiya. People want to know what was going on in these four important years. I only highlighted 2000. Also, I'm not trying to copy a format from other Indian actresses which only have four major movies talked about on their pages. I am looking at Lindsay Lohan's page and making it a bit like that. It will take a while but only if you cooperate. I don't mind if you restructure the sentences but don't take away important facts unless useless. Thanks.
--] 19:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

==Facts==

I put only power list on Rani's page. I didn't add no.1 actress. The power list also applies to a filmfare award. The no.1 position on the power list gets you the Filmfare Power Award. First it was Amitabh Bachchan and Shahrukh Khan, and then, Shahrukh next year again and Yash Chopra this year. But i just put rani was the female on these lists. Aishwarya Rai was on the first list and then disappeared. And then it was Rani on the next two years as the only female in a male-dominated industry. A big achievement. I simply put power list since it relates to filmfare awards and it's not journalistic since the no.1 position gets an award. it's not a biased poll rather a researched and highly prestigious verdict. And i didn't say HDJPK and CCCC were hits, just put average and i put commercial success because they were popular movies back in the day and a lot of people went to see it so the movie gained money but didn't win awards or critical acclaim nor a status of the biggest hits. But what are we going to put in the four years gap after kuch kuch hota hai. if i write a detailed analysis like i did for breakout role, you revert it. i just thought if i put facts you wouldn't revert them. you know once we gather a lot of facts, we can divide the text and make it detailed only if you let my edits stay there. it is a process. i can't make a Lindsay Lohan page in one day. I also put everything in order for now. You guys put temptation part after 2005 which is ridiculous. And also, i don't know about a hundred years but for right now, she is the most hyped actress in Bollywood and will be so for the next five years. so let us inform foreigners on her and that is why i put the 50, 000 people fact, since it invites global audience to the attraction and favors Bollywood viewers. Lindsay Lohan won't be remembered after 50 years, but still she has a detailed page. So what you said earlier doesn't make sense. Don't remove my facts. Thanks! --] 20:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

==Hi==
Hi Zora how are you? Did you notice the changes ] went through lately? Its in a good shape. And more resourced inputs, and also enhancing the section "Production" can lift it at least to a Good article standard. Your help is sought. Regards.--] (]) 06:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
:That was really severe copyediting. However, imo, bulleting should be avaoided except in the section of Trivia. Also the legacy reads a bit short, given the huge cultural impact the film had in India. That can be incorporated in Response though.--] (]) 09:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
::Wow! You live in Honolulu. That must be a great place. Yes, divorcing his wife has probably reflected in Amie's fan number. and he is aging...potato-ish :). By the way, do you think it's time we gave away more hints of the ending in ] artilce? And we'll try to give more info on roles in Sholay soon. And again, the argument will continue in India, pre-1947 India etc. :)Regards.--] (]) 06:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

== DCH ==

Approved the version. Thanks for the hard work.-] (]) 12:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

== Question ==

Hello, Zora,
I'm currently cleaning some of the articles ] and all his sock puppets worked on. I noticed that he claims Tamil actors generally earn more than Bollywood actors. In ]'s article it was noted that he was payed 15 crores and that only ] earns more than him (in Asia). Erm -- is there any truth to it? ] is reported to have been payed 2.5 crores (for that Harry Bajewas flick). Is it realistic to assume that Rajinikanth actually earns 15 crores? Since I know about Tollywood next to nothing, I thought I'd ask you - since I couldn't come up with anything on Google. Best regards, --] 18:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC) PS. About shez - Rani's arctile looks fine to me as it currently is. What do you think? If it won't stay like this, I'll talk to Shez. PPS. I'm thinking about running for Admin, since there are so few Admins on the project but I'm afraid that I'm too un-experienced, too hesitant, too friendly and too bad at English. What is your personal opinion about that? Don't worry, I can take it. ;)

:: Hi, Zora. All right, I keep the salary out. Some actors have mentions of salary over at IMDb. If you look at this you can just see ]'s salary. O_o I can't believe he's earning that much according to the Internet Movie Database. What do you think about ]'s article? - I think it looks okay. As for the whole admin thing - I skimmed through the page where they decide and it seems like they have harsh temperatures over there, sometimes. I'd be honoured if you'd nominate me, but I'm not sure if I'd really make it. Best regards, --] 00:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC) PS. I cleaned up ], ] and ]. They are not perfect, but if you have time and patience, could you have a small look at them? I think I removed most of the fangush - except for one Anon who keeps reverting them once daily, but I'm used to that.

== ] page ==
Hi, Can you please check and tell why I am not able to edit ] page.
] 16:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

==]==
Yeah, I have to say ]'s etymology is clearly a folk etymology ''and'' he does not understand basic historical changes in the Syriac language alone. For an Assyrian-in-the-meaning-of-an-Aramaic-speaker, he's not showing much awareness of historicity or logic. So yes, please help. ] 18:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

==RDB edit==
Hi! Someone added ] (???) as Brig General Dyer in the cast of ]. It sounded spurious and I removed it, as IMDb did not generate anything respectable for that name. Do you have any idea?--] (]) 05:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi Zora, I see you commented somewhere on the "trainwreck" of ]. I've AfD'ed it now, I don't think it's really salvagable, or do you? ] <small><sup>]|]</sup></small> 08:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

== help? ==

Can you comment here? http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus#recent_changes I am concerned that ] and ] will not give up easily - and will not allow for any compromise whatsoever. ] | ] 14:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


==Question==
Hi. Zora, you think it ok to creat a article about guys? peace. --] 14:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

== Labeling opposing editors ==

Please refrain from using paharse like "Zereshk and his friends" to group opposing editors and discredit them. Discuss the topic, not the individuals, ] has warned you about this perviosuly. --] 00:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: Grouping and labeling opposing editors, in any form or shape, is unacceptable and you have been warned about it before.--] 00:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


Zora, I could see where it could be condescending maybe? In any case... just to make things simpler want to try to say Zereshk and those who agree with him or support him? Hope you're doing well :) ] ] 11:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Question ==

] has accused me of making a personal attack. Do you think the following statement is a personal attack?:

''This nomination page should be taken as a good example of what votestacking is. I guess I should invite people, who will vote without reviewing the article and the discussions on its proposed deletion but will do so as favor for me. How fair would that be?'' -- ] 06:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

:God, when will the madness stop? She's labeling this as a personal attack ''"I could write pages and pages on Persian anti-Arabism, which would include many examples of simple to complex anti-Arabism actions by Persians. The web is chockfull with that stuff. But I'm not here to turn Misplaced Pages into a soapbox or a battleground. I can't say the same thing for the writer and the defenders of the anti-Persianism article."'' Yeah, Misplaced Pages is such a freakin fun place when you have characters like that! --] 07:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Criticism Links in ] ==

"If we're going to link to the pro-Islam DMOZ directory, it's only fair to link to the anti-Islam directory."
:Why is that exactly? How are the anti-Islam links relevant to the article? Aren't they more appropriate for ]? ] <sup>]</sup> 17:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
::I agree with what you said. Could you show me the discussion that Karl keeps referring to, regarding the decision to include the criticism links? Thanks. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Aisha ==

Last time I read ], the section "Young marriage age controversy" was entirely original research. Moved by your comment on my talk page, I re-read the article and was very upset to find it in the same sorry state. The argument that the whole story may have been invented cuts no ice because the entire history of the early Islam may have been invented. We either take the traditional version or dispute everything, so far we tend to do the former alongside most scholars. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
:Please refrain from spamming other users' talk pages to rally support. This highly belligerent tactics is very poorly regarded. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
::I've never seen you producing reliable sources saying that there is a dispute. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Past president of ISNA is a random guy; it's up to him to believe what he wants to believe or to tell non-Muslims what he finds it expedient to tell. There is no indication that he represents a large current among Muslim or academic scholars. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Zora, I realize there are no precise analogies, but wouldn't that be like citing Ralph Reed as an expert opinion on Christianity? ISNA could be cited as a reputable source on Muslim identity politics in North America, perhaps even prevailing contemporary opinion among North American Muslims, but ''not'' on events of the seventh century!

One thing that's been gradually dawning on me is that ] is not to be construed to the detriment of ] and ]. Our goal shouldn't be to find the middle ground between all of ''our'' points of view. This really hit me when I saw articles such as ] and ] - a very large number of people, it would seem, believe these to have been created by God at a much later date than given. Their opinion doesn't count, because they are not acknowledged experts in the respective fields. At most, they get mentions as dissenters as in ] - this does not require us to hedge statements of fact.

Similarly, what average Muslims think about the events of the seventh century is completely irrelevant, except as a source for their own opinions.] 22:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You wrote, "I'm disappointed. Websites, quotes, a book, and you STILL don't believe there's a dispute. ] 23:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)"

:I didn't say there wasn't a dispute. Bukhari is unambiguous in this regard, but I only just started going through the evidence for the other side. I am only weighing in generally on the meaning of ] as it relates to ] and ], and specifically that there is no reason to think the former president of ISNA a reliable source on this matter (even more so when the tone of the article in which he is quoted is considered.)] 23:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Muhammad ==

I could use some help on the ] page. The usual -- Muhammad was a pedophile, Islam spreads by violent conquest, etc. I'm always trying to keep the article neutral and now it's being pushed towards an anti-Islamic stance. ] 21:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

:I responded on the ]. ]]] 21:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Zora, whether editors are "Muslim" or "anti-Muslim" shouldn't be the point.] 22:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Zora, your user talk page spamming of editors you've designated as "Muslim" has resulted in the negligent mischaracterization of cited material. You might consider being more careful about the quality of those upon whom you call for aid.] 05:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Zora, your relentless imputation of underlying motivations is approaching personal attack, as did your previous characterization of "Anti-Muslim editors". I ask that you cease personalizing the discussion, and begin a scholarly non-partisan discussion of sources. Thanks.] 09:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

==Shu'ubiyya==
There's an article about ].--] 04:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

== Nöldeke ==

No, 1860 is not very recent. (What is, anyway?) But where else should I put him? I think the section should be renamed, leave out the ''recent''.

And it's not my intention to convince anyone, nor to be classified as an Orientalist. All I want to do is present different, scholarly views. Feel free to add contrary views. --] <sub>(])</sub> 10:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
::I have the impression that you're a little too sensitive about views that do not conform with the mainstream Muslim point-of-view, easily disregarding them as orientalist in nature, or as upsetting to Muslims. If you look at my edits to the article, I think you can notice that I have had no intention to present partial information. --] <sub>(])</sub> 10:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I share you intention to stay neutral, but that also means presenting views that are not accepted by Muslims or Orientalists.
:::By the way, I don't see why Nöldeke should be disregarded as a reliable source just because his work was issued more than 140 years ago. I believe there are currently no scholars who have such a profound knowledge of both Syriac and Arabic as he had. And as far as I know, there has not been much progress in the field of Qur'anic research since. --] <sub>(])</sub> 10:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

== Your advice ==

Hi Zora. I'm thinking of staying as far away as possible from articles that have remotely anything to do with Islam, because some hostile editors, many of whom are admins, aggressively pursue a policy of censorship and personal attacks. Some of these admins, I can say from past experience, are so incivil, that there seems to be no point in discussing anything with them. I'm sure you have a lot of similar experiences, so I'll highly value your advice on this matter. Thanks! ] (]) 13:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

==Clothing Article==
The only thing I reverted was a paragraph put in by an anonymous user. It appeared vandalistic in nature and hence was reverted. There was no major revert, just a sentence or two.--] 23:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:I believe you are right about the edit conflict issue. I'm using VandalProof and have sometimes saved a revert, only to go into the history and see that my revert was rejected and someone else has rolled back the article. Strange.--] 02:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

==Islam in the United States==
I noticed that there were a lot of anti-Muslim statements made in the article. I'll try to make it neutral again, but coming from a Muslim editor, certain editors will want to take a jump at me. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

== E-Mail ==

Please check your email, Zora. Thanks. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:Sent a reply. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
==]==
You bet, I found it strange in the state I originally discovered it in without reference to the controversy and I recall that the ] age controversy section was a bit of an achievement for that article so it makes sense for the Muhammad article to benefit for all of that previous work. It's tough to keep with the anti-NPOVers isn't it (even one's own personal opinions on a given subject)? ] 23:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:I still don't get why Hadith are being characterized as editors' ''personal opinions''. Would someone please explain this to me?] 01:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

==]==

I saw an article about it in the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia, and I heard that it was getting publicity in Belgium as well. But look, I guess this is your website and you decide what goes up. I just thought I would try to contribute to it.

== 3RR on ] ==

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Aaow, that must hurt. I know that misstakes can happen, you have my sympathy :( --] 07:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:]'s not doing much in the way of helping his ''good faith'' editing ] (and sooner of later he'll no doubt come to understand that "what goes around", "comes around"). Although he may be technically right in having filed 3RR against you, all of your edits were done in ''good faith'' and were warranted. If you're still blocked when you read this message I would ask for an {{]}} and explain that you'll stay away from ] for a period of 24 hours (essentially say you'll behave). Feel free to edit this last bit if you decide to try for an unblock. ] 09:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::I'm going to put a watch on your talk page. If you need assistance with contacting others (admins,etc.) about this just say so here. I'm going to be in and out today so I can't guarantee that I'll respond very promptly but I'll do my best to assist you if you have need. See you. ] 09:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Note as well that the blocking admin (me) has the page watchlisted and will be on for a couple hours more. Blocking is a preventitive measure and not a punitive one (in my opinion at least). While edit-warring is about the most counterproductive activity a contributor can engage in, there's no reason to ''punish'' you for it. If you promise to stay away from editing the article on ] for at least a day or two, and you can give me your word that you will do your best to refrain from edit warring on it or any other article in the future, I will have no problem unblocking. I would also note that your case was ''exactly'' four reverts and wasn't that destructive; blocking was just to prevent it from getting out of hand. ] (]) 09:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Zora must realize that edit warring is not the way to resolve disputes. She reverted my edits on ] within minutes and poured lots of emotion and uncivilities on talk page. It might be a good idea for her to cool down and re-evaluate her behavior before coming back. ] <sup>]</sup> 09:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Following the e-mail you sent me in which you stated that you believed the block was unjust, I reviewed all of your five edits to ] in the last twenty-four hours. You questioned specifically whether was a revert, and after looking at again quite extensively, I still have to say that I believe it to be. Yes, you incorporated what the anon added back into your edit; however, the full effect of your edit was to revert the anon's blanking of the section--as the anon's blanking did appear to be accidental (or perhaps even bad-faith), I could let this one slide under the rvv exception clause, but even if the edit were ruled out as an exception, you would still be in violation of 3RR with four other reverts in a twenty-four hour span. The other four edits, while not all a cut-and-dry revert to a previous item in the history, do still seem quite clearly to be reverts. In any case, my above offer still stands should you choose to accept. ] (]) 09:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:This is not a 3RR violation at all. Zora changes wording... ] had agreed with Zora's wording but used awkward language and she cleaned it up. The was completely unrelated and wasn't a revert of that issue. Zora, I do recommend you be careful... ] ] 10:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::Despite the fact that she marked the first edit you cited as a copyedit, she was actually reverting to reintroduce the terms "who may have been," which she restored in her previous and following revert. ] (]) 10:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You've now been unblocked. No need to restate what I said in my e-mail to you. ] (]) 12:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Zora, although you are not Muslim and we had some non-agreement related to Caliphate too. But I think you are not biased and a good person for Misplaced Pages. Please next time give me a message instead of reverting for the 3rd time. I will support you. --- ] 16:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the company your're sharing now, Zora. Enjoy. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

::Sounds like a personal attack Pecher and what is "These is"? --] <sup>]</sup> 17:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


== Content Dispute on ] and ], Please take a look ==
:::Fixed my grammar. Where do you see a personal attack here? ] <sup>]</sup> 17:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


Hello,
Zora should have never been blocked in the first place. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


Your neutral opinion on the content dispute currently on-going at ] and ] will be appreciated. The discussion thread is at: ]. The main issue is the material sourced from ]'s paper, sourced from JSTOR, but is also available at: http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/islam/fiqh/hallaq_hadith.html
== POV issues ==


Thanks.
Zora, when you say you rely on contemporary Western academic views to support your edits and then you include in ] murky apologetic websites just because they impart some "good news" that Aisha may have been older than nine, that smacks of incerity. When I present to you reliable Western source essentially relying on Muslim sources, which says something you dislike, you accuse me of lying. I'm afraid it's pointless to engage any further with you; you have consistently failed to assume good faith on my part. As I've said above, good luck. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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== ] ==
==Sholay - after another copyedit==
Content-wise, it's ok. But don't u think the "response" section has become somewhat choppy? with so many oneliners? IMO, paragraph style suites better for this section. Regards.--] (]) 07:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi,<br>
==Your Muhammad dispute==
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Hi Zora, I just saw your dispute with Timothy over the Muhammad issue. I must say, while I see your point, I'd spontaneously tend towards Timothy's side. It's a tricky business, of course. Misplaced Pages's NPOV rules, the way they are formulated now, don't seem to cater well for cases where conflicting claims stem not only from conflicting POVs, but from radically different ''discourses'' with different modes of judging "truth" - i.e. a scientific and a religious discourse in this case. I don't think the answer can be to treat this just like any other POV conflict, contrasting the two views as if they were alternatives "on the same level", so to speak. But I haven't looked too deeply into the specifics of your disagreement yet, so I have no concrete solution to propose at this point. If you want someone to mediate, I haven't got too much time right now, but maybe later - give me a shout if things get hot, okay? ] <small><sup>]|]</sup></small> 08:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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Namecalling

To whoever left the insulting message on my talkpage, unsigned -- that was rude and cruel. Call me an alien if you want, but don't throw misogynistic slurs my way. Zora (talk) 09:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Please come back

Hi Zora. The Bollyeood project on here has ground to a halt. We no longer have editors like you and Pa7 around to improve content like we used to. BollywoodDreamz has little time for wikipedia anymore with uni committments and a lot of Shahid's time is spent reverting stupid edits and fighting silly editors. Please consider returning and restoring order once again. We could hhonestly do with several hundred Zoras to keep the project in order and to improve the quality of content. Regards. ‡ Himalayan ‡ 12:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I second that. I think you were an amazing editor, and one of my favourite. I'm really sorry if you consider me as one of those "loons or ignorant POV-pushing fanatics". I'm not a nationalist, I never was. I'm willing to learn, but in this particular case, I just respectfully disagree. Anupam in fact contacted you to have you back on here to reinforce his POV. I still appreciate you for the efforts. Shahid • 20:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Warning

Zora, please do not change articles until consensus is reached. Do not use sections on which you add information to deviously add your POV. No colloquial register. The language of the films is Hindi and people watch them because of the similarity between the languages and because Urdu words have been used from time to time.. If you do it again, I'll request admin help. Thanks, Shahid • 10:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

so...

how are you doing? It's been such a long time I don't think you even remember who I am :). Last time we talked, you were very stressed...thatdoesn't seem to have changed. Hope all is well with you. GNU4eva (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Saw your edit after adding the talkback message—better...--Supertouch (talk) 18:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

yes, Zora, you're sorely missed, especially for Islam-related articles, where it's quite difficult to find un-emotional, serious editing. All the best Giordaano (talk) 08:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Bollywood

Zora, please assume good faith and do not revert editors who are much more experienced than you are. If you are reverting something which has been protested by someone else, kindly discuss on the talk page first, and then edit.

Secondly, mention of other specific film industries is NOT relevant in the lead of this article. This article is about Hindi cinema, not Telugu, not Marathi and not Tamil. If people want to know what the other parts of Indian cinema are, they can refer to that page. Also, the user mentioned only several industries, while there are much, much more. We are not here to make choices. If you wanna add something, then rephrase it first, do not leave it for others to fix.

You did not even check what the user added and where he added it. He actually inserted his text within a footnote, which is a very wrong format. Next time please check before reverting.

For now, I added a short clause which makes the sentence clearer. If you think you can rephrase it in a better way, that would be great. Shahid • 14:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

That certainly was not my meaning, and if you felt so, I apologise. I do not own the article and I think not even once have I ever shown such intents. First, I never "ordered" anything. Second, I did not ask you to consult me but use the talk page. Thirdly, I said that because your revert was totally inappropriate and insulting. You just restored a text which was placed within a footnote, that's improper formatting, and you should have checked it before. The first thing anyone would conclude from that is that you are not assuming good faith on them and reverting them just for the sake of reverting specifically their edits.
I am aware of all the incidents you had to go through, and I've actually felt the same when people like you indirectly accused me of being a nationalist, while I'm not. My religion is none of anyone else's business. I like editing and improving articles, not fighting over scripts, but I had an opinion, I still hold it, and several intelligent editors share the same view. When I joined Misplaced Pages, I appreciated your hard work, though frankly I recently got very disappointed by your attitude towards me, which includes being occasionally rude and mostly assuming bad faith on my part. I cannot accept that. That made me understand why many people did not get along with you at the time. Previously I used to think there was something wrong with them, not with you. But now...
Just like you tell me of your previous hard work, I collaborated with many editors who always expressed their appreciation, even those you used to interact with back in time, such as Plumcouch, Pa7, Grenavitar, etc., perhaps with the exception of Shez 15, who is no longer active, and it doesn't really matter now.
If you're back, then good for you, but I somehow feel you were constantly angry not only then, but now too. That's not how it should be on WP, you must have fun, otherwise this place is not for you (I'm not referring to you specifically but to the whole breed of WP editors).
Anyway, there is a new clause in the article which I think is very good, so this topic should be probably closed. Shahid • 19:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


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Hadith

I see that it has been protected which looking at the history for today is a good idea. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 14:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected as well. Would have been quicker but I got logged out as I went from my talk page to the hadith page. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 07:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I've semi-protected it for a week. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

references

No problem: I am just happy that someone is adding refs at all! BollyJeff || talk 23:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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Histiography and nationlism

might be a good idea to include http://inventionofthejewishpeople.com/ or rather the work covering the creation of the jewish nation and histiography. 2.102.189.208 (talk) 01:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Not opening another front in the Israeli-Palestinian wars. No way. Zora (talk) 04:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back

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You're being quoted

Hi. This is just a courtesy note to let you know a comment you made five years ago has been quoted in the current discussion at Talk:Muhammad/images. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Warning

Zora, your reversal of my edits, which go in accordance with policy, is completely unacceptable, and more so the rude way in which you have done it, which I'm not going to tolerate any longer. Stop thinking that your opinion matters the most, and before giving support to such claims as "enormous film empire" and "Stars, rather than plots, were often the driving force behind the films", and a whole unsourced block of original research, read WP:CITE and WP:OR and kindly familiarise yourself with the process of Misplaced Pages editing. The introduction has been this way for years, if you want to change it then discuss. And your constant assertions that Bollywood is not the Hindi film industry do not make much sense unless you can prove reality is wrong.

Yes, the first thing that a reader should see is indeed the language of a film industry (particularly when it comes to India, in which every film industry is sorted by language, basically), and the lingua franca of Bollywood is Hindi, as it is mentioned in possibly every Indian film article, and almost every source on the article. The use of Urdu is mentioned perfectly, its use has been fading, and today most films do not even have Urdu scripts in the opening credits. "Encyclopaedia of Hindi cinema", the largest book written about this film industry, published by Britannica and written by the likes of Gulzar, as well as numerous other books which you can see on the net, acknowledge Bollywood as Hindi cinema, and this is how it has been known for years. Film certificates, too, mention Hindi as the language of Bollywood films, and the term Bollywood in indeed informal (and mind you, it is a term used to refer to the industry, not the industry itself).

Your attempts to erase them border on vandalism, and your penchant to accuse others of nationalism will not be taken lightly. Your insistence to see everything as negative and think that everyone is based on national grounds is of least interest to me. I'm not here to serve your agenda, and do not expect me, or anyone else, for that matter, to follow your personal preferences. Want to start another long discussion? Do it! But please do cite sources (which you never do, because everything you say is right, isn't it?) and do not feel you own Misplaced Pages because you do NOT.

Next time you revert, I will report you on ANI. Instead of dictating, enforcing your biased views, and coming here from time to time only to revert someone, I suggest you to contribute to the project by trying to improve it. I personally am trying to do it every day. Enough is enough. Shahid • 22:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


Your GA nomination of Black Stone

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A barnstar for you!

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I still remember all the editing wars you had with people who were only interested in pushing their POV. You've been around the block forever, and I just wanted to make sure you know that someone appreciates it. GNU4eva (talk) 22:43, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Indian playback singers

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Indian Cinema Task Force in the Signpost

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Bukhari link

Zora, I saw you removed the link I added for a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari. In defense of putting it back up:

  1. The current and only link for Sahih al-Bukhari is down and has been down a while
  2. The current translation is missing a lot of hadith and has a lot of typos, and every single hadith (except the first two) have the wrong reference numbers.
  3. Sunnah.com is not a "religious" site, i.e. there is no preaching going on. It just has translations.
  4. The translator for both is actually the same - the version on sunnah.com has just been cleaned up more is all.

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Reply on your review at Ibrahim ebi's talk page.

Thanks, for your elaborate review on the templates. ( Detailed reply is on my talk page ). -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 09:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hadith

Zora, I was not implying that collecting hadith was unique to Shi'a. Please re-read my edit. However I do believe the phenomenon of compiling 100+ volume compilations that are in common circulation in the post-mediaeval period is uniquely Shi'i.

Currently the article implies that Shi'a only use 4 hadith books which is not true.

If you feel that I stated it in a misleading manner, why don't you edit what I wrote to make it clearer instead of just deleting it.

I would appreciate it if you would put my addition back, and if you feel it needs to be improved, all the better. 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamma Draconis (talk • contribs) 19:36, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hadith - reply

With respect, I am a specialist in this area, and speaking from the perspective of knowledge of the subject area. I also referenced my additions. Your comment "I am sure that..." suggests that you are not specialized in this subject field.

I was doing my bit to improve the article which was clearly not appreciated.

Anyway...I am not going to sit here and fight over the page because I have better things to do, however in the future I would request that you take the time to investigate the subject area deeply before making revisions on things just based on your personal intuition.

Invitation

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Bukhari teachings

It wasn't my intent for that to be the only teaching, it's just one I came across, I figure there are ways to present the more important or controversial ones of note. Since it refers to the specific passage I figure it wasn't implying to represent the entire content. Ranze (talk) 01:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

It's not exactly just my own POV, the whole way I came across this was because of reading about it multiple reasons on various discussions about it. Anyway I don't see how it's PoV to pick one out, we can pick others out too and add them, if they're interesting, but still has to begin 1 at a time. If we never reproduce 1 line alone, we'd have to introduce many in one fell swoop and that's kinda hard.
Anyway why should we only be presenting what so-called "scholars" choose to look at versus what they ignore? Who establishes their reliability? What establishes their opinions as notable? Degrees from institutions which are notable because... ? Ranze (talk) 03:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I guess I'm also concerned about neutrality, assuming they know more from having studied more, doesn't mean what they know will be presented. The issue here isn't even what it says, I already provided a reference (from the database we link at the bottom) showing it says that, just whether or not it should be highlighted. If we have already established enough notability of issues concerning Islam and LGBT for it to have its own page, wouldn't that establish the topic as notable enough to post any hadith phrases pertaining to the issue?

If not on the Bukhari page itself, would it warrant mentioning on the IaL article then? Ranze (talk) 06:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Contact request regarding Xango

Hello, Zora. I remember you from the Xango page edits. I am interested in talking with you regarding Xango. Do you think there could be a chance?

Please email me to xangoscamcontact@gmail.com if you're interested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.109.199.47 (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


Succession to Muhammad Page

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Content Dispute on Hadith and Criticism of Hadith, Please take a look

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Aisha (Singer) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Aisha (Singer). Since you had some involvement with the Aisha (Singer) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:57, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Wives of prophet Muhammad.

Good evening, regarding your post about our holy prophet Muhammad wives, Rayhana and Maria were not concubines, they were both married to the holy prophet legally and lawfully made for him by Almighty Allah, and Allah SWT grant the holy prophet to marry wives without bride price, so even umu Maria bore the holy prophet a child which he named after the father of faith, Ibrahim (Abraham) and the holy prophet love Ibrahim so much. So pls help correct that concubine statement please. Thanks toliat.aderoju (talk) 19:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Hawaii § Campaign to upload Lāhainā photographs

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