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	Two points here Sneaky, first we need a reference for your work and second, the new material is too long for the introduction. While you've provided references for each disaster category, your work looks to be original thought without references and therefore not allowed in wikipedia. The new material needs to be tightened up a lot. Way too long.... Also a new thought, an asteriod strike in the Amazon would be a catastrophe even though few people would be killed directly. ] 13:02, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
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	Ok Rev, I've started work to improve the referencing. There is more to do, and I will see what can be done to condense it. I've also added a subheading so the introduction is back to its original length. Anyway, I can assure you its not out of my own head. This is well-known stuff to disaster researchers. On your final point... an asteroid strike would have an effect well beyond the Amazon, as any dinosaur would tell you. But if you think a volcanic eruption in, say, the Aleutian Islands which affects noone is a disaster I'd be interested in why. It would actually be just a natural process... ] 21:21, 25 August 2005
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	:Just moved apartments and was out of action over the weekend. I still might consider an eruption in such an area a disruption of the area had a value measurable in human terms. Amazon = biodiversity & CO2 sink, Aleutian Islands = do they have a perceived value? I can think of loss of habitat to geographically specific species.
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	==Some disasters missing?==

		⚫	== definition of disaster ==
	Nice article, though I was disappointed to find some of the man-made disaster categories had not yet been written. I have three further comments.

			What is the current standard definition of a disaster? Is there a consensus in literature? Does a disaster by definition kill people? ] (]) 17:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
	Firstly, I was wondering if there are some types of man-made disasters missing? I am thinking mostly of transport accidents. Can major airplane crashes or train crashes or sinking of ships (eg. Titanic) be considered disasters? Also, crowd stampedes and crushes ranging from football stadia disasters to religious pilgrammage crowd disasters?

			== Natural and man made disaster ==
	Secondly, a more general point about when a disaster becomes a catastrophe? Some of the larger disasters (such as a supervolcano erupting or an asteroid impact) would seem to me to be more like catastrophes, especially near the point of eruption/impact. Further away from the area of the catastrophe, you would have disaster zones. But my main point here is that no-one has done for the ] page what you have done for the ] page. And some content from here might be best over there. Such as what I've mentioned below.

			Examples of natural hazards include: avalanche, coastal flooding, cold wave, drought, earthquake, hail, heat wave, hurricane (tropical cyclone), ice storm, landslide, lightning, riverine flooding, strong wind, tornado, tsunami, volcanic activity, wildfire, winter weather. Anthropogenic hazards can be grouped into societal hazards (criminality, civil disorder, terrorism, war, industrial hazards, engineering hazards, power outage, fire; hazards caused by transportation and environmental hazards. ] (]) 14:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
	Thirdly, and this is more looking at global catastrophes, where would things like species extinction events, deforestation, environmental disasters, oil spills, global warming and so forth, fit in something like this? Overpopulation could be added to the list. And many things I have forgotten. I can also remember a book I read about possible ways in which life on Earth and in the Universe as a whole could end. What about a nearby star going supernova? The Sun reaching the end of its life? And finally, going for the kill so to speak, what about UNIVERSAL disasters/catastrophes? Things like the heat death of the universe and the half-life of the proton?

			== Re-tooling this article to better reflect research ==
	Hmm. I went from train crashes to the heat death of the universe! :-) ] 02:31, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

			The closest we have to scholarly consensus argues that disasters result from the interaction between hazard systems and human systems, which make all disasters inherently man made. The current description gives this some credit, but still argues for the natural vs man made dichotomy. I think the wording of "difficult to draw" is misinterpreting the issue with the natural vs man made discussion.
	== Does this duplicate stuff elsewhere? ==

			I think it would be more accurate to lead with a description that disasters are human caused (i.e. a tornado is not a disaster until it produces human impacts), and than follow that with a section detail how it is still common to find the natural vs man made dichotomy discussed.
	I've been looking around Misplaced Pages and found several areas that seem to be duplicating what is being done here. I found a Disasters category as well as ] and this article I am commenting on right now ]. These all seem to take a slightly different angle on disasters, but they also seem rather similar. Is there any way to build on what is being done in all three areas, rather than having three separate projects going on? In particular, should all the disasters listed in ] be added to the Disaster category? Also, the subsections of the ] page seems to be duplicating the subcategories at the Disaster category . To top it all off, there is a wikibook as well . I would like to spend some time helping to tidy this up, but I'm not sure quite what to do and where to start! Can anyone advise? ] 22:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

			Additionally, I think this article needs a clearer link to disaster vulnerability, which describes a community, individuals, or organizations capacity to experience the negative impacts of disasters.

			Finally, my question re: the responses section of the disaster list, is, who is this for? what unit of analysis (individual, organizational, government) is this intended for? ] (]) 21:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
	:I think that the article would be much better if it let the listing to the separate articles for natural/technological/sociological hazards/disasters (i.e. six articles). This article could then concentrate on the definitions of hazard/disaster and their classification. Any comments? <font size="2" color="blue" typeface="Arial"><b>]</b> ( ] \| ] \| ] )</font> 11:54, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

			:I also think "difficult to draw" is not right. Have you got a better wording that also expresses how other non-human systems can sometimes trigger or induce a disaster?
	== reworking of intro to man-made disasters ==
			:I agree the disaster list in responses is not too useful . In this section I have added something more general on the different ways/phases of managing disasters. Maybe the list itself could be transferred into ] as it seems to fit well there.
			:Speaking of research, I think what is also missing is some data on the numbers of disasters, losses and and economic costs, and trends. On the other hand, the best available data such as that from ] only covers natural hazard-related disasters, so it might be better to place it in WP ] and include the text as an excerpt in WP disaster ] (]) 17:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
			:: I've removed the last column of the table under "responses" because it was more of a how-to guide. I've broken up that long table and moved it to "classification". ] (]) 09:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

			== Find a better image for the lead? ==
	Well, it's more of a removal of extraneous text than a reworking, but:
	*I've replaced "caused by an act of god" with "caused by a natural phenomenon." The second statement is neutral, and does not reflect any religious beliefs.
	*I've removed the following text: "The power grid and telecommunication infrastructure could be made more resilient against outages however, probably due to cost and feasibilit constraints, the systems were intentionally left vulnerable to outage." <br>
	It sounds like someone having a rant about their most recent power outage, and doesn't belong in the article. See my other edits in the history: I've just been doing some copyediting over each section to make the text easier to read. I may right here later if I need to make any more major changes. ] 09:50, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

			I wonder if we should look for a better image in the lead. Maybe a 2 x 2 collage would be good. This one seems a bit odd as it's from very long ago and could be seen as U.S. centric (like a lot of Misplaced Pages's content). I don't have a strong view, just putting this question out there. ] (]) 13:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
	==Disaster Management Wikiproject?==

	There is an awful lot of duplication and confusion in the disaster management field on Misplaced Pages. The categories are confusing and non-intuitive. There are several really good articles like this one, but there is need for overview and coherence. I think that we should start a Disaster Management Wikiproject to better coordinate terminology and content. --] 19:53, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
	:Project started. See template above. '''We need members!''' ]! --] 07:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

	== Restructuring ==

	This article is too big and it duplicates much of other pages. It should be a starting article for natural hazards, man-made hazards (which does not yet exist), and emergency management/BCP. Those should be the three headings. There is also a confusion in the use of the terms disaster and hazard. Disasters (e.g. the 1906 San Francisco earthquake) are the result of hazards (e.g. earthquakes). The referencing is chaotic and needs reworking as well. --<font color="blue" typeface="Arial"><b>]</b> ( ] \| ] \| ] )</font> 17:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
	:I agree. Big job though... ] 14:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

	== Freak Waves, Disasters or Not? ==

	I propose an addition to the natural disasters category. ] are notable for their
	damage potential and mythical attributes. They were long thought to be once in a millenia
	occurrences, but they are indeed a real threat to shipping and maritime ventures. In fact, several are notable for causing ships to be damaged rather badly. ;;;;

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definition of disaster

What is the current standard definition of a disaster? Is there a consensus in literature? Does a disaster by definition kill people? Fsikkema (talk) 17:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Natural and man made disaster

Examples of natural hazards include: avalanche, coastal flooding, cold wave, drought, earthquake, hail, heat wave, hurricane (tropical cyclone), ice storm, landslide, lightning, riverine flooding, strong wind, tornado, tsunami, volcanic activity, wildfire, winter weather. Anthropogenic hazards can be grouped into societal hazards (criminality, civil disorder, terrorism, war, industrial hazards, engineering hazards, power outage, fire; hazards caused by transportation and environmental hazards. 106.51.242.229 (talk) 14:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Re-tooling this article to better reflect research

The closest we have to scholarly consensus argues that disasters result from the interaction between hazard systems and human systems, which make all disasters inherently man made. The current description gives this some credit, but still argues for the natural vs man made dichotomy. I think the wording of "difficult to draw" is misinterpreting the issue with the natural vs man made discussion.

I think it would be more accurate to lead with a description that disasters are human caused (i.e. a tornado is not a disaster until it produces human impacts), and than follow that with a section detail how it is still common to find the natural vs man made dichotomy discussed.

Additionally, I think this article needs a clearer link to disaster vulnerability, which describes a community, individuals, or organizations capacity to experience the negative impacts of disasters.

Finally, my question re: the responses section of the disaster list, is, who is this for? what unit of analysis (individual, organizational, government) is this intended for? Risky Bussiness (talk) 21:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

I also think "difficult to draw" is not right. Have you got a better wording that also expresses how other non-human systems can sometimes trigger or induce a disaster?

I agree the disaster list in responses is not too useful . In this section I have added something more general on the different ways/phases of managing disasters. Maybe the list itself could be transferred into disaster response as it seems to fit well there.

Speaking of research, I think what is also missing is some data on the numbers of disasters, losses and and economic costs, and trends. On the other hand, the best available data such as that from CRED only covers natural hazard-related disasters, so it might be better to place it in WP natural disaster and include the text as an excerpt in WP disaster Richarit (talk) 17:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the last column of the table under "responses" because it was more of a how-to guide. I've broken up that long table and moved it to "classification". EMsmile (talk) 09:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Find a better image for the lead?

I wonder if we should look for a better image in the lead. Maybe a 2 x 2 collage would be good. This one seems a bit odd as it's from very long ago and could be seen as U.S. centric (like a lot of Misplaced Pages's content). I don't have a strong view, just putting this question out there. EMsmile (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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