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:I'm hearing the same. :-( Working on a confirmation. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 20:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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::I've forwarded this to ], not because I want a wider audience but because somebody there will be able to take the appropriate action. I cannot see any reason to believe what I read on the Facebook page is not true. :-( ] ] ] 20:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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== Rest in peace ==


I regret to say that . Rest well, buddy, and my best wishes go out to your family and everyone close to you. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 20:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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:I think maybe we crossed paths a few times, however the loss of a fellow contributor, especially one so young is sad. May you rest in peace. ] (]) 20:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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::::I last saw him at the wikiconference in October, and I'm so sad to hear of this. All the best to his family. ] (]) 21:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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:Always sad news, and very little to be said. Very sorry to hear about this, my condolences to his friends on and off wiki and his family. ] (]) 21:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
== RFA successful ==
: No words feel good enough to express my feeling well. I'm heartened that you were able to help three folks live with generous donations and that you continue to help people. You will indeed be missed and it was a pleasure to have met you and work with you. I hope your family and loved ones are well and make it through this undoubtedly difficult time. Much love, ] ] 21:43, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


Incredibly sad news. Condolences to his family and those who knew him. ] (]) 21:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Kevin! I've just closed your RfA as successful, and as such, have granted your account the adminsitrator bit. Congratulations, and welcome to hell. ;) ]&nbsp;]] 20:31, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
: So sad, my heart aches. RIP, my friend; you are missed beyond words. Condolences to family and friends, on and off wiki. --] (]) 21:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
:Please don't break the wiki... ;) ]&#124;<sup>]</sup> 21:52, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
!Thanks. I'll try to do my best not to blow anything up. And to everyone who voted in support of my nom: thanks also for your confidence in me. Quite a while ago I made an active decision to involve myself in controversial issues on ENWP where I thought that their outcome was important, and for quite some time I had honestly been operating under the assumption that that choice would likely to kill my chances at RfA. I'll do my best to show that said confidence was well-placed (and I promise I have a solid understanding of ] :p) ] (]) 21:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
*Congrats on the new tools! Just noticed that you have an extra permission lying around, though (the ] permission is part of the admin flag—though you can take it off yourself). Good luck! ] (]) 23:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for pointing that out, I'll strip it off myself; I hadn't reviewed my privs yet. I had originally had the flag so that I could do outreach work without hitting the six a day limit. ] (]) 23:21, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
*Congrats! ]] 00:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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*I'm shocked that you haven't yet received your t-shirt. :o Congratulations on your successful request! :) ] 19:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
* Just want to offer my congratulations on your new role! <font color="navy" face="Tahoma">]</font><font color="purple" face="Courier">(])</font> 07:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
**Congratulations to both new administrators, Kevin and {{U|Cindamuse}}. I remember meeting both of you in Boston, and I want to thank you both for the excellent work you do to improve the encyclopedia. ] ] 08:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
*Late congrats here, glad to see you made it. Let me know if you have any admin questions I can help with. ] (]) 04:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


* Shocking news. My condolences to Kevin's friends and family. ] (]) 21:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
== Egi ==


*Not the sort of thing I expected to see. I'm sorry about what's happened and I hope your family will be okay. Best wishes. ] 21:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Re ], look at the details on ] and/or ] (can't remember now, it was on one of them) for an explanation of the user's hoaxing. ] (]) 23:28, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
:Rest in peace Kevin. You will be missed greatly. -- ] (]) 22:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
*Hi ] - I actually went ahead and just A7'ed it before digging in to those pages, since it was A7able as well. Having looked at that talk page I see it as a hoax now, and will also go ahead and take a poke at the user who created the articles about that... ] (]) 23:39, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
:* Looks like someone beat me to blocking the creator and put a three day vandalism block on him. I've watchlisted his talk page, let me know if there are any further problems when he returns and if so I'll indef him as a vandalism only account. Best, ] (]) 23:43, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


*Sorry to see this. I was hoping Kevin could get past his difficulties and move on. ] (]) 22:18, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
==Franek K.==
I have asked two linguist for help. Should be Franeks last reverts not be reverted? (he broke the 3rr on his last edits)--] (]) 01:21, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
::Or should he self-revert his violation?--] (]) 01:23, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Ideally he would self-revert his violation (which I have asked him to do.) However, in the broader scale of things, does it really matter if a Misplaced Pages article contains a potentially minor error for a few days? Start discussions on the talk pages of the relevant articles to try to resolve the dispute, or at a broader forum if there's an appropriate one. Given the number of pages that both of you have editwarred over, I would advise strongly against making *any* edit that continues the war before substantial discussion has occurred on a talk page. ] (]) 02:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


* Thanks Kevin for all you have done over the years. Will miss your wise and thoughtful input. ] (] · ] · ]) 23:35, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Could you please warn Franek not to change, edit, or remove my comments on discussion pages. Please see: Thx--] (]) 11:47, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
*Fare thee well--] (]) 23:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


*I wish you peace, Kevin. Sadness for your family. Silence just because... ] ] 00:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::You pasted to discuss the big picture. Pasting images in this discussion is unnecessary and inappropriate, and makes it difficult to discuss. If any such change makes it difficult to discuss, clutters the discussion or spamming, other user have a right to such a change. Your image is not removed from the discussion, your picture exist in discussion as wikilink, problem does not exist. ] (]) 12:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
*Peace--] (]) 00:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
*We all have to go, but you went too soon, mate. Missed. --] <small>]]</small> 00:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* It happens too soon. I am grateful for every conversation we had. Thanks for your early support of my Misplaced Pages projects. I am sorry for the loss. ]] 00:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
*Really sorry to hear. ] (]) 00:50, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
*RIP Kevin, Unfortunately we've never edited any articles together however I've seen you around and you'll be missed alot, Thanks for everything you've done, My sincerest condolences to friends & family x –]<sup>]</sup> 01:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Aww, damn it. Kevin, you are missed. You did a lot of good here. ] (]) 03:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* .] ] (]) 04:01, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* You will be missed, Kevin. My deepest condolences to your loved ones. ] <sup>]</sup> 05:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* I am heartbroken to hear this news. I've always enjoyed Kevin's insights, and Misplaced Pages will be a little less bright without him. You will be sorely missed, and I hope that wherever you are, you will look down upon us and see pride in the work we hope to continue for you. --] <sup>(])</sup> 06:01, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Thanks for all your great work over the years. You will be missed. My condolences to your friends and family. '''~'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 06:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* I couldn't believe it initially, I often recall your grants retrospective. ] 06:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
*This is beyond sad. I'm at a loss for words as I type this. Although I didn't personally know you, you seemed like a wonderful person, and our interactions were always great. Thank you for helping to build Misplaced Pages and for staunchly defending it from detrimental edits. Thank you for believing in me as much as I believed in you. ] (]) 07:03, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Rest in peace, Kevin -- you left us too soon! Thank you for all your hard work on behalf of Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia movement. Your passion came through very clearly in the few interactions we had. My heartfelt condolences to friends, family and loved ones. ]] 07:04, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Rest in peace Kevin. My deepest condolences to your family and loved ones. So early :( ] (])
* Sorry to hear about Kevin's death. RIP. My heart extends to his family and loved ones. ] (]) 09:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* What tragic news. Kevin was my deskmate during his internship at the Wikimedia Foundation, and later interviewed me at length for the Grants retrospective. He was passionate and informed in all he did, and he cared about getting it right, on- and off-wiki. We are the poorer now. ] (]) 09:43, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Rest in peace Kevin. My deepest condolences. --] (]) 11:09, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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* In 2014, I ] to you, Kevin. Sad that it's now for you. --] (]) 13:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
: ... and '']'' --] (]) 06:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
*Rest in peace Gorman —] »» (]) 14:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* I am deeply saddened by the passing of Kevin. Once we began corresponding over a year ago, he treated me with respect, kindness, tact, sensitivity and with the highest example of good faith. I have found him to be a staunch ally and supporter for building the encyclopedia. I especially enjoy his essays. If any of his family is reading this, please know that I am grieving with you and for you and can't even imagine what you must be going through. If there is any question at all about the amazing contributions that Kevin has made to Misplaced Pages, just know that it will never be the same without him. Kevin, I miss you already! The Very Best of Regards,
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::my real name is Barbara Page and I am from Pittsburgh. I didn't think an anonymous note would do him justice.
* There are far too few who cared so much about this place. A loss for this project and for us all. ] <small>(])</small> 14:34, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* ] Stan <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 14:36, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Deeply sorry to hear this. Regrettably, I never worked much with him, but always respected and esteemed him as a Wikipedian. RIP.--] (]) 14:41, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
*Very sorry to see this. --''']]]''' 16:09, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Very sad news. Prayers and condolences to his family friends and loved ones. ]! -] (]) 16:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* Kevin, you were one of the first Wikipedians I was introduced to in depth, and I was so struck by your deep sense of dedication to do good and to do right for Misplaced Pages, for Wikimedia, for systemic bias in free knowledge... Your energy and enthusiasm will be sorely missed. Rest in power. ] (]) 17:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* It's incredibly sad when someone so young passes away, but at least Kevin will be remembered for his contributions here. Sincerest condolences to his family and friends.- ]] 21:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
* I did not interact with Kevin much, either on- or off-wiki, but there was no missing the way he stood up for principles in discussions of policy. He will be missed. ] (]) 00:31, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
* Rest in peace, Kevin. You did a lot of good in this world, and it will be a worse place without you. ] <small>]</small> 03:07, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
* Just woke up to this shocking news. Very sorry to hear this. Kevin was far too young to die. My condolences to his friends and family. I have an idea for a possible way to pay tribute if it would be appropriate and not too soon to talk about this (see below). ] (]) 06:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
* Misplaced Pages is now poorer. ] (]) 13:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
* Goodbye. :( ] | (] – ]) 19:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
* Very sad news indeed, my condolences go to those who worked with him here, and knew him personally. Rest in peace. ]] 13:40, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
* I first met Kevin in spring 2011. I was doing communications for the Wikimedia Foundation’s Public Policy Initiative (the pilot of the program now run by the Wiki Education Foundation, where I now work), and we’d created a tool that showed how many edits and how much content each student had added to Misplaced Pages. One username stood out from a class UC Berkeley, and after looking at this new user’s contribs, I realized he’d started editing far beyond his coursework; Kevin had gotten the Misplaced Pages bug and was busy improving articles on mushrooms (a hobby of his) and reverting vandalism. Kevin’s devotion to Misplaced Pages was apparent, even in the early days of his editing career (I think he never actually finished the article he was supposed to work on for class, he’d gotten so excited about improving other Misplaced Pages articles). Kevin continued on in the education program as a volunteer, and I was pleased to see him become more involved in different aspects of Misplaced Pages. He recruited several classes as the first Wikipedian in Residence at UC Berkeley after he graduated, with his own unique Kevin way of approaching courses: always with an interest to countering systemic bias and always making sure he was doing the right thing ethically for both the student editors and Misplaced Pages. His impact will continue to be felt for years to come within the education program in the United States. Thanks for all your hard work, Kevin. We miss you already. --] (]) 00:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
* Thanks for all your excellent and well-intentioned contributions. You're missed already. --] (]) <small>Become ]</small> 11:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
* RIP. You did not deserve so few years.--<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">]&thinsp;]</span> 13:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
*Rest in peace, Kevin. You are missed.--] ]/] 20:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
*Wow, very sorry to hear this. One of the "good guys". A name to conjure with. Rest in Peace, Kevin. ] (]) 23:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
*I, too, was enormously shocked to hear about this. I find it deeply saddening that we often fail to fully appreciate someone's value until they are no longer around. Events like these should be a wake-up call—it is long past time to realize the pettiness and complete lack of meaningful consequence to all the ugly controversies and bickering. We must grasp the fact that ''real people'' with lives and feelings are behind those words and signatures. I offer my sincere condolences and well-wishes to Kevin's family, and I commend him for his selfless organ donations to those who were in desperate need of assistance. ] (]) <small>]</small> 23:12, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
* Rest easy, another warm soul gone too soon. I believe we crossed paths a few times, but all the kind words from fellow wikipedians allowed me the pleasure of learning more about you. I appreciate the time you have given to preserve knowledge for countless others, and, with equal importance, the positive impact you clearly left on editors.] (]) 01:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
* I am so shocked to hear of this. He was far too young. My condolences to his family and his friends and his many collaborators in free knowledge and justice. Kevin and I didn't have that many conversations but in every one I heard his deep passion for the work of improving our culture on all levels; he never ceased to be shocked at things that aren't right, and to channel that shock into activism and organizing. I will miss his dedication and I will remember his ideals. ] 16:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
* I worked closely with Kevin when he volunteered in the education program, primarily at Berkeley. Since I was in San Francisco and working at WMF at the time, he used to come by for in-person meetings and lunches. I never could take notes quickly enough to capture his great ideas and enthusiasm for improving students' lives while they improved Misplaced Pages. Kevin also encouraged me to edit as a volunteer, which I continue to do today. He will live on in so many of our memories, but—perhaps most apropos—through Misplaced Pages, which is better because of him. ] (]) 19:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
*Very sad to hear this, my deepest condolences to his loved ones, ] (]) 21:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC)&nbsp;
*Kevin, I've always admired your character and dedication. Rest in peace. ]] 15:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
*Very saddened to hear this. Thank you endlessly for all of your contributions to this project. ] (]) 03:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
* Goodbye, thank you for your work, and bienvenue à dans étoiles. <span style="color:#35b794">]</span><span style="color:#3558b7;"><sup>]</sup>]</span> 03:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
*Too, too young. Condolences to Kevin's loved ones. Your great passion is what I remember and celebrate. RIP. ] (]) 20:22, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
*Sorry to hear this. Rest in peace, Kevin. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000">]]</span> 03:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
* Never interacted with you but Rest in Piece and my condolences go to his friends and family. ] ] 17:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
* Always sad, to learn of a fellow Wikipedian's passing. My condolenses to the Gorman family :( ] (]) 14:18, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
* Whatever our differences, I am saddened by this news. Kevin was a great Wikipedian, I will not forget him. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 12:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
*Such a loss for the community. ]] 15:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
*Thank you for your generosity of spirit, time, intellect, and vital organs, Kevin. We will miss you. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">] ]</span> 18:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
*RIP, Kevin. ]] 06:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
*RIP. ] (]) 22:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
*My condolences to Kevin's family and friends. We were in touch briefly last fall with the aim of meeting up to talk about teaching with Misplaced Pages; even though he said he wasn't sure when his health would stabilize, he was full of ideas for the future. I'm sorry we never managed to get together and that the world has lost such a dynamo.] (]) 18:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
*Kevin, you threw your heart and bones at the world, fighting for truth in your work. I don't know anyone else who thought so little of the burdens on themself while they advocated for the rights of others. Thank you for your crazy wild warrior spirit and dedication to human rights. No one will say you didn't give it your all. ]<sup> ]&#124;]</sup> 20:40, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
*Kevin Gorman, gone far too soon. Rest in peace. ] (]) 03:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


== I'm sorry ==


that our last conversations were so much unlike our first ones. You and I worked together on a case a long time ago which seemed unwinnable, and we prevailed, for the best of the project. I learned a lot from that, and felt like I knew you a bit. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't--we certainly drifted apart, one way or another, and in one or two fairly crucial cases we did not agree, and I always wished I could have seen eye to eye with you, physically, in the real world, and maybe that would have changed things. You always had a real dedication to this beautiful project of ours, more sincere than many of us, which is probably why you got in real trouble here because you were so dedicated, and sheesh you are too fucking young to be gone. They should take some of us old people, the ones who think they're always right and are sometimes too set in their ways. And who are old and expendable. There's a lot of folks who loved you, Kevin, and I'm , well, I'm sort of out of words. You are one of my oldest friends and colleagues on Misplaced Pages, I mean you were, and it won't be the same without you, tall skinny young person with your funky hairdo. Why do we say the things that matter only when it's too late? sorry yall--NOTSOZCIALNETWORK i know. ] (]) 00:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Kevin, I want to thank you for handling this with warnings and discussion (at ] and elsewhere). Handling such situation with non-blocks is rare enough that I wanted to express it here. (Perhaps in my ten years I just got used to seeing "blocks solve everything" solution way too much...). Thanks again, --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 13:45, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:I figured blocking them both wouldn't be very likely to result in a productive outcome. I'm not too sure that not blocking them will result in a productive outcome either, but I figure it's at least worth a try. Been out of it for most of the day, but going to check up on the situation now. Thanks for the thanks :) ] (]) 23:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


== Continuing Kevin's work ==
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After hearing the awful news above, I was re-reading Kevin's user page, and I noticed his words on ]. Would in some way, when the time is right, continuing the work he started there be an appropriate way to pay tribute? There may be other ideas (the Facebook page mentioned donations to the ]), but I am throwing this idea out there. ] (]) 06:34, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
What was that, anyway, that you redacted? Was it meant to be pornographic? Thank you. ] (]) 02:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
*] have begun improving article--] (]) 10:34, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure that it was meant to be a version of ]... but to be honest after seeing enough to know it was clearly not something that belonged there I just nuked it. Think that was my first time using revdel... glad I didn't break anything. ] (]) 02:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
::I had never seen it before, but I thought that it was meant to be pornographic or something. Weird. ] (]) 03:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC) *These are some wonderful ideas. Keep making the world a better place. Rest in peace, Kevin. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:39, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
* Thank you for pointing this out, and for the wonderful idea. I just started ] in tribute. ] (]) 05:34, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
*Improving ] to GA in tribute to what will be eventually the first good article for a woman philosopher (it needs to be rewritten due to huge sections of unsourced content: draft is ]). <span class="nowrap" style="font-kerning:normal">— ] (])</span> 02:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
* Ping me if you end up planning an edit-a-thon for ] <span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px">]</span> 01:00, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
=== How about a barnstar? ===
Kevin cared very much about working with, and reaching out to, student editors. It occurs to me that the ] is intended for just that kind of activity, by campus and online ambassadors. I'd like to propose that we rename it the "Kevin Gorman Ambassador Barnstar". Is there support for doing this? --] (]) 20:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|Tryptofish}} Seconded. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 20:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
::third--] (]) 21:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Fourthed ? .... Anyway +1 It sounds lovely! –]<sup>]</sup> 21:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
::::This is an excellent idea. Should it be raised somewhere else (e.g. on the talk page of the barnstar or at ]), or should it just be done ]ly after discussion here? Is anyone in contact with his family? ] (]) 10:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I believe '']ly after discussion here'' is more than enough to just do the barnstar]...IMO--] (]) 13:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I already left notes at the talkpage of the barnstar template, and at the talkpage of the WikiProject that deals with barnstars. An editor at the latter had a question, and I directed them to raise the question in the discussion here. I'll also add a note at the Education noticeboard now. I think it would be a good idea to let a few more days pass before making any bold edits. --] (]) 16:45, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::If there is consensus for this, there will need to be a link to some text explaining the rename and why it was done, so the reasoning is available in the future to those using this award. The closest things I've found to a permanent tribute to deceased Wikipedians (as opposed to user talk page condolence and tribute threads and an entry at ]) is ] and the 2014 ] award (though others may be able to think of other examples). ] (]) 05:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I agree. --] (]) 15:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


*'''Support''' – But if renaming the existing barnstar, it might be worth considering changing the "ambassador" part as well. Ambassador is a ] in the context of Misplaced Pages, and one that isn't terribly active on enwiki (though there are ] about reviving it). Thus it seems likely that people would assume the barnstar is for (or for use by) ambassadors with that program, and thus wouldn't see much use (and would go unused altogether if that program were to be discontinued). Kevin was an ambassador, but was also involved at the intersection of Misplaced Pages and education in other ways, engaging with faculty, staff, students, Wikipedians, and the public. He also -- and I think this is very important -- came to Misplaced Pages ''through'' the education program (when it was the ]). Perhaps something like "Kevin Gorman Education Program barnstar", or the "Misplaced Pages in Education Gormanstar" or somesuch? <small>FYI I work with the Wiki Education Foundation, but am commenting here solely in a volunteer capacity.</small> — <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> \\ 23:22, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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::Those are good points. Perhaps a better approach would be to leave the existing barnstar unchanged, and instead create a new one. I would go with the "Kevin Gorman Education Program barnstar", rather than the other name. --] (]) 23:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Tryptofish|The ed17|Ozzie10aaaa|Davey2010}} For the sake of taking the next step, I went ahead and created ] and uploaded a basic barnstar image. The template is basically the Original Barnstar, and the image is that barnstar with an education program logo. See three versions (current), , . I won't be offended if anyone wants to make/use a different image, use a different name, or go a different route altogether -- I just wanted to get the ball rolling. I also added some text to the "header" and "for" fields. — <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> \\ 14:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
::::] thank you--] (]) 14:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think this is the best way to go – thanks! I support the "current" version, aka #1, of the star, and I cannot think of any corrections to the template. --] (]) 17:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Wow it looks perfect!, Thanks {{u|Rhododendrites}} for kindly doing this. –]<sup>]</sup> 18:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
*I totally '''support''' this. ]] 06:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


*I think that it has become very clear that editors commenting here support going ahead with this barnstar. The required procedure for doing so is to open a discussion at the WikiProject talkpage associated with such awards. I have just done so, at:
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Several noticeable improvements to the EducationProgram extension (in addition to some small bug fixes) will go live on or around 2014-01-23:
:It is important that editors here, who support the barnstar, '''also comment on your support for it there.''' Thanks. --] (]) 22:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


== Doing right because it was right ==
'''Notifications'''
:All participants in a course (students, instructors, volunteers) will receive Notifications whenever their course talk page is edited. Thus, editors can use course talk pages to send messages they want the whole class to be aware of, and the class participants are likely to see them.


I'm nearly speechless having learned of your death today, Kevin. My impression of you through our public interactions here as well as through email showed me you were an honorable man who believed in doing right – in spite of it not always being popular – simply because it was the right thing to do. I will always remember you in the best of terms and those who treated you horribly or didn't step in to defend you (when you were no longer going to be an admin) in the lowest of terms. You deserved much better treatment and respect. To echo the sentiments of others already commenting here, you left us too soon my friend – way too soon. May the road rise to meet you, may the wind always be at your back; may the sun shine warm upon your face, and rains fall soft upon your fields; until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of his hand. Rest in peace and with the angels, Kevin Gorman. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 22:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
'''Special:Contributions student notice'''
:Yes, this is very much as I remember Kevin. ] (]) 22:55, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:For users enrolled as students in courses that are active, a notice will appear at the top of Special:Contributions noting which course(s) they are enrolled in. This will make it easy for users who come across the work of student editors to find out that they are part of a course and identify other class participants.


== Post about Kevin on Feminist Philosophers blog ==
'''Adding articles'''
:Course instructors and volunteers will be able to assign articles to student editors, instead of all articles needing to be added by the student editors themselves.


We posted something to honor Kevin on the Feminist Philosophers blog . If anyone would like to comment or add or even correct inaccuracies, please do. Also, if you know people who were close to Kevin, maybe they would like to know about the post? ] (]) 01:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
'''Adding students'''
:Thanks for this, ]. I've shared your post, and started an article on ] to honour Kevin. As I was looking at his list, I realised how few of these academics and thinkers had any substantial information on them (I started with Hide Ishiguro, as the only? person on the list not originally from Europe or North America, but there was almost silence on the internet). It is sadly never surprising to me, but always horrifying. Thank you for the inspiration you gave Kevin, and I'd be delighted if you or some of your students might find time to improve and expand the Avramides article. ] (]) 14:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:Instructors and volunteers will be able to add users as students in courses, instead of all student editors needing to enroll for themselves. This makes it easier to maintain complete lists of students, and also makes the extension more suitable for tracking participation in edit-a-thons, workshops and other collaborative projects beyond the Misplaced Pages Education Program.
::I first met Kevin in 2011 at a "Misplaced Pages in Higher Education" conference in Boston. He was then known for his work on mushroom articles. Over the years, I have participated in several edit-a-thons in San Francisco and Berkeley with him. He was committed to Misplaced Pages, free knowledge, gender equality, fairness in biographies of philosophers and positive values. He was open in discussing his health problems but I did not know that they were life threatening. His life was far too short, but a bit of him lives on in the living bodies of the recipients of his transplanted organs. I will donate blood next week in his memory and encourage others to do so as well. He will be missed. ] ] 03:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


== Kevin's heart still beats ==


From the facebook page:
If you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know! --] (]) 18:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


:'''"Kevin's heart still beats! His heart was successfully transplanted into another person last week, as was his liver and a kidney. Kevin saved three lives last week by sharing his organs. May his heart continue to beat for many years."'''
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I think a fitting tribute to Kevin would be to register as an organ donor. --] (]) 09:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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:Why did someone decide to cut onions near my desk right now? Seriosuly, that is the the best gift one can give, life for others. Already an organ donor myself, and I recommend that if you can, please consider it. ] (]) 16:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


== With a heavy heart... ==
==Problems with user Sobiepan, again==
First I, later user JorisvS, later I again, reduced the size of the graphic by Sobiepan. "Editing comments" is one but Sobiepan have no right to destroy the layout of page, too large graphics and separating lines are unacceptable. Size of Sobiepan's graphics have been reduced (graphics are not removed), separating lines can not exist because it is written posts directly to that text. We both (I and JorisvS) thoroughly explained what was going on. Sobiepan can not be subordinate, makes it difficult to discuss. Sobiepan ], mass introduces templates POV to articles Lechitic languages, Slavic languages, West Slavic languages, Silesian language... We with him can not cooperate, his behavior more and more like trolling, making confusion. I can not cope. I want to constructively discuss, Sobiepan just bothers and exacerbate the matter. ] (]) 12:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


One of the last things Kevin said to me in an email exchange, January 6, 2016...''"I think people often underestimate the amount of healing that family members and loved ones of those who undergo serious medical and other crises have to do even when their physical bodies were not the physical bodies directly affected."'' His words spoke volumes to me about his sensitivity toward others. He will be missed. <sup>]]]</sup> 06:33, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
... and again, again again . ] (]) 12:28, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
*I agree with you that inserting graphics like that is inappropriate, and I have removed them and warned Sobie. I'll be around later today to review any other behavioral issues. Best, ] (]) 17:58, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


== Memorial fund ==
::Sorry Gorman, but Franks K edits of my comments were provocative. After he already broke the 3RR few days ago, you should warn him, instead of supporting his behavior... --] (]) 14:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
:::I have no words, Sobiepan doing wrong but I'm guilty. Three users (I - Franek, JorisvS and Kevin) said you are doing wrong, But you do not want to improve your behavior :( ] (]) 15:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


My name is Sierra and I was a very close friend of Kevin's who is organizing the memorial. If anyone feels moved to donate to his memorial fund, which will be used to support his memorial and beyond that his preferred charities, you may do so here: https://www.youcaring.com/kevingormanfund. If you would like to attend the event, please see his memorial page https://www.facebook.com/bombus.memoriam/ for event details. If you wish to attend virtually, check back regularly because details for webcasting the event are still TBD. Thank you. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:30, 5 August 2016 (UTC)</span></small>
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== Thanks ==


Thanks to {{u|Rhododendrites}}, who designed it. --] (]) 21:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for considering my request at ]. Please reconsider , it is semi-protected, but this protection expires after two days. Please make it indefinite too. Thanking you in advance! <span style="border:2px solid #000;background:#000">]]</span> 09:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, I'm tired and just chose the wrong dropdown box. Fixed it for you now. ] (]) 09:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
::Grateful to you Kevin. <span style="border:2px solid #000;background:#000">]]</span> 09:09, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


== From Gender Gap-list ==
==Franek K. ongoing reverts==


<blockquote> It breaks my heart that I am not able to post condolences to his talk page. I wanted to say so much about what he did for people behind the scenes, how he kept this forum moderated and open for discussion after arbcom closed down the gender gap project, and how when he talked, the ideas rushed out of him as if he knew how little time he had, and could overcome mortality itself in order to accomplish them, but in the end, there are no words, there are no words. —Neotarf .</blockquote>
Franek K. did not self-revert his reverts until today (break of the 3RR rule), morover he reverted now on ] , ,


Could you please do something?--] (]) 14:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC) Proxy edit per IAR. ] (]) 19:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
:Sobiepan, why are you doing controversial changes with Silesian despite waged discussion? Besides, Florian also reverted your edit in Lechitic languages . Could you finally stop make the controversial edits? ] (]) 15:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
::He overlooked the discussion on ], thats why he removed the tag. Stop to manipulate people--] (]) 17:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


== Wikiconference edit-a-thon? ==
:::You doing controversial changes with Silesian despite waged discussion (ignoring the ongoing discussion on Talk:Silesian language, discussion is still in progress) and introduces errors to article (Ref label|Silesian|a to Old Polish?, this ref is about Silesian). I revert your controversies. ] (]) 17:24, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


A few people mentioned continuing Kevin's work on ]. It's too late to submit a session to the upcoming in San Diego, but for those involved/attending, would there be some time to set aside for a short edit-a-thon? Or perhaps it's something to bring up at the Unconference, or something that runs through the weekend? — <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> \\ 22:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
::::You are manipulating again. See the old version of ] (17:35, 15 December 2013‎) it was changed by JorisvS ] on 22 January 2014 (shortly after the discussion on ] started). Before that I never edited this article. I have only restored the old version and tagged it as disputed. BTW: There was already an edit war on ] in which you participated in the past , --] (]) 17:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
:FYI looks like this is happening on Saturday. See ]. — <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> \\ 18:27, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


== Updated link, edit request ==
:::::First, old version of Slavic language (17:35, 15 December 2013‎) and your version are different, eg. ref/tag is incorrect . Second: I knew you'd give some old links from months. This is pathetic, man. In this way behave users in a losing position. I can thoroughly analyze your edits, surely there will be other your edit-wars but I do not want trolling as you and I want to constructively discuss and edit Misplaced Pages, not as you. Sorry, I do not want to go down to such a low level of behavior. You will never improve your behavior. ] (]) 18:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


It's probably unimportant, but the link to <nowiki>] should now show ] instead, or in addition to, the red link. ] (]) 00:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
== Comments relating to unblock requests ==
:{{tpw}}{{ping|Mathglot}} You've looked at the top of Kevin's user talk page, right? -- ] (]) 00:30, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::], Yes. I should have added, that this was addressed to anyone following up redlinks why there was ] to a page moved with no redirect whose links were (almost) all cleaned up, why this page wasn't also fixed. Answer: due to its protection level; but neither does it matter, and they can disregard it. ] (]) 01:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
== ] nomination of ] ==
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Hello, Kevin. I've just been looking at ], where there's an unblock request in relation to a block you placed. You have done a much better job of explaining to the editor why you blocked him or her than many admins would. I appreciate the fact that you took some trouble to explain the situation, rather than just throwing a block template containing a one sentence statement of the block reason. I also appreciate your taking the trouble to point to relevant further information for any reviewing admin: far too often, I find myself spending ages searching through editing history, only to eventually find information which I could have found immediately if someone who already knew where it was had just said so. We could do with more admins who take a little trouble over things like that. However, I see that you declined an earlier unblock request. Although you made it clear that you regarded that as a purely procedural decline, you really should not decline any unblock request for a block of your own. There are several reasons for that. For one thing, a reviewing admin should take into account all relevant circumstances, not just what is said in the unblock request. It follows that the reviewing admin may look at the background, and decide that the block was wrong in the first place, irrespective of the merits or lack of merits of the unblock request. None of this is intended to suggest that I think there was anything wrong with the block in this case, and I am 100% sure that any admin would have declined the unblock request, but I am just trying to explain that I think there are good reasons for treating "don't decline unblock requests on your own blocks" as a totally rigid rule, not making exceptions even when you think it's a purely procedural decline. ] (]) 10:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
*Hi ] - thanks for the note, it's not something I'll do again. Slightly awkwardly, I've only had the bit for a week or so and was acting on my interpretation of ] combined with my past experience that type of block request would literally never be accepted. I was actually kind of hoping that in declining the first unblock request, it would encourage Sobiepan to formulate a second unblock request that would be more likely to be successful if warranted. (I declined to block Sobie on an ANEW report a couple days ago and tried to calm down the dispute they were involved in, hoping that that would be sufficient by itself. With the continued editwarring and battleground-y behavior, I decided a slightly more forceful approach might help more.) ] (]) 18:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


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== REports multiple abuses on User:BladesMulti ==
: David, this editor is deceased. Second, are do you have evidence of copying or is the content merely the same? A lot of pages copy stuff from Misplaced Pages. ] <sup>]</sup> 12:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

: I looked at the revision history. It’s not a reverse copy. It’s not a copy either. The material is properly cited and constructed from multiple sources. I’m going to close the copyvio investigation in a moment. ] <sup>]</sup> 12:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
] is engaging in extremely biased edit wars.
::I just use twinkle, which cannot tell. I would rather post a few inappropriate notices than not notify someone who needs to be noticed. But one of the reasons a post here might not be entirely inappropriate is that it allows the many people who still l watchlist the page in his memory to correct errors., like my error here''']''' (]) 19:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:::Thank you. You make several good points. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
1. On ], he is unediting references to ] as a historian, and says Cambridge Jouirnal material is "unreliable".
2. On ], he is REMOVING material from the same scholarly source, that goes against his own personal biases.

3. On ], he is refusing to accept testimony from both original work and that of historians like ] and Gilles Veinstein

He must be told, in clear, uncertain terms, that his editing behaviour is completely unacceptable.] (]) 18:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

:Apart from the fact that this user has to do nothing with the page of ] which is being discussed at RSN right now. This user is calling my edits a "vandalism" again, as per seen on ], and removing the reliable references. What should be done? ] (]) 18:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
{{ping|Arildnordby}}: Arild - it is worth being cautious about what you describe as vandalism, as policy defines it quite narrowly (]) and in severe cases labeling something as vandalism when it's just a content dispute can be consider a ]. That said, thank you for bringing this up instead of getting in to an editwar, and thank you for pulling back and self-reverting your last edit at ]. I agree with you that Bladesmulti has been engaging in behavior aptly described as editwarring and will be talking with Blades on their talk page momentarily. ] (]) 20:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

::Please have a look at ] (more specifically ). I've just spotted this user misrepresenting sources and spreading misinformation. He clearly has a problem with Muslims' history in India and fantasy's about "foreign rapists". He deserves to be indefinitely blocked for the bullshit he's claiming sources say (they don't in fact say anything of the sort as to what he's written on Misplaced Pages). We cannot assume good faith with this user Bladesmulti. ] (]) 20:29, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

== Newly discovered false reference on potentially inflammatory topic by BladesMulti ==

I must sadly report to you from ] that ] inserted a FALSE reference to back up his claim that Hindu women committe sati after having been systematically raped by Muslim invaders. See last section on ]. I had not thought BladesMulti was guilty of anything else than dogged refusals to acknowledge other points of views (bad enough), but he has been actively engaged in providing FALSE references for his own views as well.] (]) 20:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

::It turns out all three references did not state any such thing as was claimed. I've deleted it. None of them were verifiable except one of the three and even then what was in it was nothing related to the subject of women burning themselves after rape or conquering militaries. Please indefinite block that user please. ] (]) 20:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

== Recent Multiple Blocks ==

Hi Kevin, since you're the admin who blocked the two users in an ] I was watching, I was wondering if you could clarify a couple of things. I'm not trying to second guess your decision, I believe it was broadly fair; I'm just trying to understand a somewhat complex situation.
1) In this situation, BM and Stuff both edit-warred, that's quite clear, ergo they both deserved some kind of sanction/block. But their behaviour was not symmetrically disruptive, so why is the sanction identical?
2) Even if edit warring merited identical blocks, what of BM's other policy violations? Do they become moot points once the user has been blocked? They definitely misrepresented sources, was incredibly obtuse on the TP, reverted RS, etc.

Cheers, ] (]) 22:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
:Partly: I'm actually really busy today, and can't fully evaluate all of their alleged misconduct (which is why I invited other admins at ANI to up the block if they felt it necessary.) Partly: generally speaking, I believe in giving people enough ] with which to hang themselves. A well-meaning editor who went too far (and they both went quite a bit overboard) will eat a 36 hour block, which isn't really a big deal - plenty of productive editors, including more than a few admins - have done the same. If BM comes back and continues to violate policies, every block they get will be longer and longer. The same is true of Stuff. Now that I'm actively watching both of them, they're both going to have less room to edit in disruptive ways in the future without pulling long or indefinite blocks. Basically: giving them both short blocks means that if they decide to be productive editors in the future they get to stick around, and if they don't, then they'll end up gone. ] (]) 22:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

::Fair enough. I guess the moral of the story is to drag somebody to ANI instead of fighting it out. Thanks a lot, ] (]) 23:15, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
:::I'd usually suggest ] to report editwarring in progress, and both actively asking the person to desist and trying to bring outside editors in for additional opinions from places like ] or ]. Oftentimes, having uninvolved editors come in can stop something before it starts. Things at ANI often turn in to unnecessary drama that consumes a ton of time for all involved, so it's usually worth avoiding when possible. ] (]) 23:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
::::I was referring to generic bad behaviour, not just edit-warring, but I will keep that in mind. Again, thanks. ] (]) 23:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::], I misrepresented no sources. Find me one? If the user is uncapable to search the book(I doubt), it doesn't means so. And only 1 source is unavailable to most. Not other 2, that he accused. Or just you believe anything which is said in your favor? Remember, not everything that looks yellow, would be gold.
{{od}}This is not the place for an argument with me. Go look at your talk page. Yes, you did misrepresent sources. ] (]) 16:27, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
*]: it would be a really, really good idea for you to leave the past in the past. If someone has accused you of misrepresenting sources, go to the relevant article talk pages, and make a coherent explanation as to why you think you are representing them correctly. Don't get bogged down worrying about past accusations. If you didn't misrepresent sources, past accusations don't matter. If it turns out you did, and you continue to do so, you '''will''' be indefinitely blocked in the near future. And again, that's a prediction, not a threat. One thing that may help: when you are engaging with other editors on the relevant talk pages, try to literally forget who you are talking to. Reply to what they say without considering who they are. ] (]) 16:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

:::::Also, Kevin, it was impressive of you that you wouldn't get inspired from these complaint. But as you see, right after the block, StuffandTruth had removed/disturbed 3 edits of mine, 2 of them being days and months old. And other being few hours old. In short he was uninvolved in basically these 3 pages of all these times. Is it ]? Since he made no improvement, but only removed the sourced material, that he certainly claimed to be "inserted by banned user". ] (]) 09:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::As a blunt warning ]: be careful. You now have a large number of admins who are more experienced than I watching your behavior, and a lot less latitude to do things that might not get other editors in less trouble. I would advise you to leave the past in the past, and move forward trying to forget the fact that any of the editors involved have annoyed you previously. Any further blocks you receive are likely to be longer regardless of who they are imposed by. I have looked over your contributions and seen that you have improved the encyclopedia in multiple places, so I would prefer that you don't end up outta here, but to ensure that happens, you are likely going to need to edit more calmly than you have in the past. Please take this as a friendly warning and not a threat - I legitimately do not want to see you indef blocked, but instead, want to see you able to help contribute productively. ] (]) 16:25, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
{{od}}Right now. When you review any of my case, kindly see the both sides(like you know already), now Stuff and truth allege that i ] yet he can't mention when i do that which is inappropriate. But Thanks a lot for the precious advise. ] (]) 16:28, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
"Forget who you are talking to." Yes, seems solution for everything. ] (]) 16:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

== ] ==

Perhaps it could be moved to be a sub-page of ]? &mdash;] 03:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hi {{ping|Rybec}} - that actually sounds like a pretty good idea, and once I get everything set up, I'll go ahead and do so (although I may keep them in my userspace until I find enough to restore.) These are for potential use in an upcoming Signpost; do any particularly bad examples of Wiki-PR's work come to mind to you? Especially interested in any of the ones that involved vatalyst. Thanks for the suggestion, ] (]) 03:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
::On ], in the section "Sublimeharmony sandbox topics", the table it has 75 examples that were all posted from a single account into a single page. They're linked from the "draft" links. The 22 which mention Vatalyst are listed in . &mdash;] 05:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

:::I do routine searches for things like the pay for play award Network Products Guide and promotional phrases like "industry-leading" for things to chop or AfD, but I've gotten us down to only that mention industry-leading (mostly in press release cites) and with Network Products Guide (both associated with a client of a PR firm I use to work at about 4 years ago, so I just left it alone). This is just how I occupy spare time on commercial breaks while watching TV sort of thing. I won't participate in the Wiki-PR article or hunt-down for obvious reasons (though I saw someone mentioned me on the Wiki-PR Talk page ), however if your investigation helps me find new ways to find articles that need cleanup, I'd be interested in any tips, such as pay for play awards or phrases that are predominantly only used on spammy pages or illegitimate sources not related to them specifically, but rather more broadly.

:::It's good for someone to maintain an actual record of actual events, even if the media is rather easily influenced by whoever they speak with. Cheers. ] (]) 23:22, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

== Oakland Police Department draft ==

Sorry to bother, but I am going through all the {{tl|draft}}s (migrating them to {{tl|userspace draft}} or {{tl|olddraft}} where possible) and ] come up. It looks like it was . I'm not fussed what you do with it, but it would make me quite happy if it magically disappeared from ] ;-) <span style="font-variant:small-caps">] <sup>'''(])'''</sup></span> 07:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
*Sorry about that, I'll kill it. I had intended to rewrite the article, but decided not to over safety concerns. Best, ] (]) 07:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|User talk:Kevin Gorman/ResortsandLodges.com|Protected edit request on 27 January 2014|ts=14:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)}}
] (]) 14:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

== AfC review of ] ==

The draft has been submitted for review at Articles for creation, but as it is a fully protected page it cannot be reviewed. You need to either remove the protection or the AfC submission. It is currently the oldest unreviewed submission to AfC. BTW I'm quite curious to know why a userspace draft would need to be protected in the first place? ] (]) 18:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
*hi ] - Well, that's awfully awkward. The horribly written page is a piece of work done by ] - I undeleted it and userfied it so that I could use it as an example of Wiki-PR's quality of work, since their execs have recently claimed their main role is just dealing with legally actionable libel. The article I restored had two pending AfC templates in it originally, one at the top of the article, and one nested inside. I nuked the one at the top of the article, but I totally missed the second. I protected it to ensure that it stayed intact as an example of their work and wasn't modified by one of their socks to look better if the piece ended up getting linked somewhere. Since many of their socks are way past autoconfirmed (a year old sock was blocked yesterday,) I went ahead and did full instead of semi. Sorry to you and anyone else I confused. ] (]) 22:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
:*Thanks for fixing it. I'm not so sure we should really be preserving any of Wiki-PR's spams, just my 2c. ] (]) 22:12, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
:::The pages are already noindexed, so google won't pick them up, and at some point today I'll be adding warning banners to all of the pages to ensure that no one mistakenly believes they are articles. We already actually do preserve a lot of Wiki-PR's historical spam - see sublimeharmony's sandbox, where the revision history has copies of many Wiki-PR articles. I think that the value of preserving some of their spam in order to demonstrate to those curious the quality of their work outweighs any negatives. People are unlikely to believe they are real articles (especially once I throw up a red warning banner,) and if Wiki-PR wanted the wikitext back for some reason and didn't have a copy themselves, it's preserved in Sublime's sandbox anyway. ] (]) 22:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

*The Sublimeharmony drafts can be linked to Wiki-PR because of the Scarsdale Media citations. Another that may be connected to Wiki-PR is the prior version of the SouthWest Energy article. One revision says ((quote|1=4/28: add the following information to Southwest Energy's page in a neutral and encylopedic way. Darius will bill for an additional $500 for this update.}} One of the principals of Wiki-PR is named Darius. Others that would be good choices would be the articles about clients named in the press: Priceline, Ehud Rahim, etc. Wiki-PR hired many freelancers, some of whom probably did their own original writing. For example, ] looks like the work of {{u|Floralfs}} who has a distinct writing style and might not even have been a Wiki-PR subcontractor. &mdash;] 02:29, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

==Edit warring by Arildnordby==

Hey Kevin. I went through the edit ban history/edit warring pages. I found that you were the admin who had blocked Arildnordby, he has made 3 or more reverts in last 24 hours on ] page. See the diffs here:-


Also the user refuses to talk about his changes, as he made 2 of these reverts before typing a one liner on talk page. His edit speaks enough too, that how much unsourced, Fringed, unwanted he has added to the page. Including ](list of non-notable incidents).

I don't get why he brought incident to ANI. Instead of solving on talk page. Reply me back. Once you are there. ] (]) 18:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'll be reviewing this in more detail when I get home later this afternoon, but 3rr only applies to more than three reverts, not exactly three. Moreover, those three reverts occurred in more than 24 hours. Taking an initial look at it, Arild's writing appears to both have plenty of sources and not be of unacceptable quality. This looks like a content dispute to me, not editwarring. You also might want to read ].

:I'll be taking some other action tonight on this suite of articles as well. ] (]) 18:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

:Well, Arid probably wants to contribute with a lot better version of Sati. I can withdraw this complaint back at this moment. ] (]) 20:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

==Problem with user Kwamikagami==
Please see:
*]: , I this one time, and
*]: , I this one time, and
*]: , I this one time, and .
:Why other users (ie. Sobiepan, Kwamikagami) can change articles according to own opinion, even if the topic is controversial? I can not go back it some times because you're scaring me with blockade. This can not be. Kwamikagami introduced POV to article, changing the name of the article on redirect and despite waged discussion, change on . ] (]) 20:13, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
and . Kwamikagami reverted my bold edit + personal attack. Next . ] (]) 21:40, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
:Hi Franek, I'll be taking a look at this within the next couple hours. ] (]) 23:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
::I have not blocked Kwami, but have warned them, and will be keeping an eye on their behavior in the future. Trust me, you're not the only person who is at risk of getting blocked in this mess if they go way overboard :) Thank you for relatively keeping your calm in recent edits, even when provoked. ] (]) 23:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

:::Could you at least review the situation so you know what your talking about before handing out warnings? Much of the warning you gave me is just silly. And there can't be secret discretionary sanctions: such things need to be posted on the article so people know about them. — ] (]) 01:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
::::I replied to you on your page, but you seem not to have read my entire initial comment. ] (]) 02:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your work at ]. ] (]) 01:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
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*Thank you... I hoped that resurrecting a few pieces of their past work would help counter some of Wiki-PR's recent public rhetoric. It's worth noting that I didn't pick out the ''worst'' seven pieces I could find, and also only resurrected pieces that could 100% be linked to them. I did offered to French via email that I would be happy to add any pieces of work they had done that were of substantially higher quality than the ones I had already resurrrected; he didn't reply. ] (]) 21:42, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for answering my "conflict of interest" question. ] (]) 01:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
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* Hi ] - thanks to you for starting to edit Misplaced Pages :) please feel free to stop by my talk page if you have any followup questions about anything or need any help with anything. ] (]) 21:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Recent Edits ==

Hi! You recently helped edit ], an article I wrote, and I would appreciate if you would please consider contributing to the ]. Thank you. --] (]) 21:45, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

==Please see==
] ]<sub>(<font color="cc6600">]</font>)</sub> 01:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
*Thanks for the invitation Smallbones, but I'm going to hold off signing for now due to an interesting series of in-progress events. Best, ] (]) 17:19, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hey, you protected this page as a result of IP disruption after ; one of the IPs went back to the page after the protection ended and continued their previous crusade, and the other notified me of it today. What do you suggest is the best course of action? Thanks, <sub>6</sub><big>]</big><sup>]</sup><big>]</big><sub>6</sub> 20:33, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
*I'll reprotect it if they return again, but the edit you reverted was ~10 days old and they haven't come back yet. ] (]) 20:36, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
**Sounds good. I haven't been watching the page, and the other IP just noticed it, so we'll see if the first IP comes back and does it again. I'll let you know. Thanks, <sub>6</sub><big>]</big><sup>]</sup><big>]</big><sub>6</sub> 20:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi, Kevin, I just unblocked KajMetz based on their unblock request. I normally don't unblock without first consulting with the blocking admin, but you said at AN3 that you were off to bed and gave permission to any admin to act as they wished. Hopefully, you had a good rest. Regards.--] (]) 21:39, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
*No worries, looks good to me; thanks for handling it. Best, ] (]) 21:45, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

== Objection ==
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Or any other definition of the idiom I could find on the Web, all suggest taking joy or celebration over the fact of someone's death. You seem to be well educated, probably more than me, but even I can see the faultiness of accusing ] what you accused him. (Eric was making a point, a point to the discussion that he felt was absent and was important to make; his point is best left to him to define -- I won't attempt to paraphrase. His point was conceptual however, and about what is or isn't valid or sensible or fair presumed expectations and responsibilities of Misplaced Pages editors when online at WP. One thing I'm sure, very sure, he did ''not'' do or suggest or emote, was to take any kind or degree of delight, celebration, joy, etc., in the young man's suicide. And to suggest such a thing, to accuse Eric of same, which you did twice , is really a kind of careless maliciousness on your part. You should apologize to him for that accusation -- it wasn't right, and it wasn't fair. I personally forgive you in your rush to keep things ideal for the parents of the young man on Jimbo's Talk, since in your rush you made that oversight. But what an oversight to make. ) ] (]) 09:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC) p.s. If you can find any definition on the web which does ''not'' include celebrating a death, please link it here for my education. Otherwise, I don't think you're so powerful that you can make up your own meanings to language idioms for your own purposes. Words have meanings, even modern idioms.
*Eric transformed a memorial post to a valued member of our community in to a shitfest, and he did so in a forum where the victim's family is likely to read it. When confronted on it, he continued his behavior and started throwing in a borderline hilarious number of comments that would get anyone who isn't Eric blocked under ] at me on his talk page. So no, I'm not apologizing to Eric. His behavior was malicious, had the potential to cause real harm, and would have resulted in almost any other editor than Eric receiving a lengthy, uncontroversial block. ] (]) 16:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
*:You're off the mark, Kevin. Accusing Eric of *gravedancing* when that wasn't present even in the slightest, crosses an ethical line and was carelessly malicious on your part and you s/ apologize to him for it, regardless what else you object to re NPA etc. (You're becoming an obvious hypocrite here, accusing Eric of not showing , yet at same time accusing Eric of something totally evil without any basis for doing.) ] (]) 21:53, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

That discussion was utterly baffling. Who is the late editor that was its subject? — ] <span style="color:#900">•</span> ] 20:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
*] - it was about ]. He wasn't explicitly named, but enough detail was given that anyone who knew him instantly recognized it, and anyone who didn't could figure it out in about two minutes. I feel bad for effectively streisanding the thing, but didn't feel comfortable letting the thread continue to degrade as it looked to be doing. That thread as it was already was causing emotional harm to his friends, and if his family had stumbled across it - especially if it had degraded further - it would have been way not okay in my book. Best, ] (]) 20:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
**I wasn't able to figure it out at all, hence my asking. Thanks. — ] <span style="color:#900">•</span> ] 20:14, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
***Hi ] - the combination of details given in the original post made it recognizable to those who knew him, and easy to dig up for those who didn't, since we maintain a list of deceased Wikipedians. (Specifically the fact that it was apparently a recent passing, combined with the mention of the template, and the mention of the vandalism - easier if you recognized the early posters as well.) I handled it in the best way I could think of at the time to avoid it blowing up, which appears to have backfired. I still believe I handled it in a more than policy compliant way, but wish I had sleepily come up with a way to hande it that wouldn't have resulted in a blowup the next day. Best, ] (]) 20:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
****I have no objection to your handling of the matter! I was just asking who it was, for myself. — ] <span style="color:#900">•</span> ] 20:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Mail call ==

YGM. '''] ]]''' 13:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
*Responded. ] (]) 16:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

* YGM ] (]) 10:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

== You made me regret supporting you ==
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When I your RfA last month, I didn't think you would be coming on board to threaten one of our best content contributors with a ban for some meaningless and twee nonsense at our co-founder's talk page. More fool him for getting into that debate, and more fool you for behaving like that. You didn't say at your RfA you were going to do stuff like that; I suggest a period of reflection ensue. We do not always need to wave a big stick. There are better ways of doing business than that. That was not a BLP violation. --] (]) 19:41, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:] - there's a pretty significant difference from banning someone from '''a specific thread''' and banning someone. Malleus's ability to comment on one particular thread on Jimmy's talk page has absolutely no effect on his ability to create content. His comments on that thread were clearly covered by ]/], and had the potential to cause harm to numerous living people. Anyone but Malleus would have simply backed off when requested; he required a bigger stick. If you look at how I've handled every content dispute, blp violation, edit war, etc that I've so far handled, you would note that I have generally been ''far'' less aggressive in terms of handing out blocks/other actions than the vast majority of our admins are. You're free to feel disappointed in me, but as long as I am able to take small actions to make Misplaced Pages a safer space than it currently is, I'm going to do so. That thread started off as a memorial to a valued contributor who has passed away and once Eric popped in turned in to a mess that was offensive to his friends, and would be quite offensive to his family if they happened to stumble across it. Do you value his ability to comment on a single thread on Jimmy's talk more than you value the emotions of a dead editor's friends and family? ] (]) 19:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::You might consider that you caused far more drama on that page than Eric. ] (]) 20:53, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:::It is certainly true that my handling of the situation resulted in more drama than was initially present (which is why I've commented elsewhere that I wish I had sleepily come up with a better solution - one that had avoided the harm the thread caused, without ] the issue. I'll be starting a thread later today with a full explanation of why I did what I did (and why I think it is fully within policy.) I certainly regret streisanding it, but I wasn't expecting a streisand of this magnitude when I did it. ] (]) 20:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::You didn't expect Streisand effect from threatening Eric with a block based on a non-issue? Please, I know you're new to the job but that is something I would expect all admins to know. Also, three administrators have told you that you are in the wrong, I'd expect you to at least take a step back for reflection. It doesn't help that you have repeatedly attempt to contact me off-wiki despite my requests not to do so. I see some serious problems here if this is the approach you're gonna take in using your administrative toolset. <i><b>] <sup><small>]</small></sup></b></i> 21:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::I would first disagree that it's a non-issue, and secondly point out that I have not repeatedly attempted to contact you off-wiki after requests not to do so. You made one request for me to not contact you off-wiki; I replied to that email with an explanation of why I had originally contacted you off-wiki, and stating that I would be starting an on-wiki discussion as soon as possible (which is imminent, now that I've arrived at my destination.) Please correct your mischaracterization. Thanks, ] (]) 21:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::So you thought it wise to say {{Diff|User talk:Jimbo Wales|594625033|594624641|"I will be monitoring this thread for violations of Misplaced Pages policies, including those that deal with the recently deceased, and will be acting with a heavy degree of WP:IAR. I will be actioning any exceptionally offensive comments in the rest of this thread, regardless of who they originate from."}} ?? You have lost your damn mind. Sadly, I cast an easy support vote for you at RfA and am now concerned for how the tools have gone to your head. <font face="copperplate gothic light">] (])</font> 22:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::::]: Please explain what exactly is offensive about stating that I'll take action against exceptionally offensive comments. Exceptionally offensive comments, especially those that are offensive BLP wise, should absolutely be actioned. That's a non-trivial part of what admins do. ] (]) 22:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::{{replyto|Kevin Gorman}} First, ]. Second, despite the fact that Eric/Malleus is a bomb-thrower whom I dislike, I agree with him on this point. The IP started a thread seemingly meant to provoke hand-wringing about Wikipedians with personal problems. I found the whole display untoward, misplaced, and foolish. I have no sympathy for those that commit suicide. Obviously you've taken offense to Eric/Malleus's comments, which smacks of ]. I don't think WP:BDP and WP:IAR give you license to take charge of the thread as if you're the arbiter of public decency. I agree with TheEd17 that the discussion needed to be cut off (when it started) but the comments of yours I quoted read like an over-reaction. I've dealt with you in the past in nothing but a positive fashion which is why this recent turn of yours is disappointing.
:::::::::I agree that exchanges like this hurt editor retention and I support strengthening policy to allow admins to ban trolls and other ne'er do-wells on the spot with no warning or discussion. As it is now, policy requires a lot more bureaucratic tape and I lose respect for anyone that acts otherwise. <font face="copperplate gothic light">] (])</font> 23:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::Hi ] - there's a significant difference between what is normally referred to as battleground behavior and an admin stepping in to moderate a discussion that is going the wrong way. This is my first interaction with Eric (yes, really,) and entering the thread I had no strong opinion regarding him. Administrators (or ''anyone'' for that matter) trying to ensure that the families and friends of deceased Wikipedians are not unnecessarily harmed isn't battleground behavior; it's exactly what everyone should be doing, and Misplaced Pages would be a better place if more people did so in discussions that were likely to cause unnecessary harm to people more often. I'm disappointed that you don't see why harder-than-normal wording is warranted to avoid unnecessary harm occurring to those parties, and hope that you rethink the issue and change your mind. And as I said on your talk page, I invite you to examine my past tool usage. It's significantly less heavy-handed than many admins (as, for that matter, has been explicitly pointed out by other admins on my talk or talk archives,) and tends towards warnings and guidance and not blocks and bans. And as it is now, when it has to deal with harm to living people, current policy ''doesn't'' require a bunch of bureaucratic red tape, c.f. arbcom discretionary sanctions w/r/t BLP that allow any admin to take action to prevent harm to living people without jumping through a bunch of hoops (and while acting perfectly within policy.) ] (]) 23:31, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Belittling the suicide of a Wikipedian isn't a "non-issue". It's pretty damn offensive. ] (]) 22:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::::So who did that then? ] ] 22:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::You did, Eric: "When did WP become a psychiatric hospice? People commit suicide every day… If you have mental health problems go see a doctor, don't plaster a template on your talk page." ] (]) 22:42, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::So when ''did'' WP become a psychiatric hospice? ] ] 23:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Regarding recent events re: Eric Corbett ==
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To start off with: I have had no prior contact with any of the editors involved in this situation, so no ] issues.

Last night, a thread was started on Jimmy's talkpage concerning an editor who recently committed suicide. You can view the (now archived) thread ]. Direct reference to the editor's name was not made, but enough details were given that anyone who knew the editor knew who it was, and anyone who didn't know who the editor was would be able to find out in five minutes or less from the details given in the original post. The first half of the thread essentially served as a memorial to the valued, deceased editor.

Part of the way through the thread, ] arrived and began to make comments likely to offend friends of the deceased editor, and even more likely to offend the family of the editor, should they happen to ever find the thread. I viewed this as a significant ] concern - to excerpt a quote from the policy, "the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment" - that's from a section of BLP pertaining to articles, but I think it sums up the spirit of ] very nicely. Misplaced Pages has a duty to not cause unnecessary harm to living people. Seeing the BLP problems as an administrative issue to be dealt with, I began to intervene, asking people to stay on topic, hatting irrelevant material, etc. This was not effective; Eric undid my hatting, etc. I used heavier wording in my initial posts in the thread than I normally would because of the significant potential for emotional harm both to Misplaced Pages editors and family members of the deceased.

After having a conversation with a number of other admins about how to deal with the issue, I went ahead and decided to use the ] dealing with biographies of living people to try to ensure the thread did not detiorate further. I placed a notification on Eric's page, instructing him to stop posting in that one particular thread on Jimmy's talkpage, using the BLP discretionary sanctions (which include enforcing the 'spirit' of BLP, as well as the letter of it,) as justification. I did so because I believed there was a significant risk of emotional harm if Eric continued posting in that thread. I stated that if he did not comply I would enforce the thread-ban through other means, but unlike what has been suggested elsewhere, I did not threaten to outright block or ban him. (Eric responded with a string of profanity and misunderstood policy that would have pulled anyone else a block.)

Eric stopped posting in the thread, and after further discussion with ] (one of the admins I had spoken with before applying the discretionary sanctions,) Ed archived the thread, and after further discussion with him, I went ahead and collapsed it.

I expected that my actions would result in some degree of ], but not to the extent it has. If I could redo the situation, I would attempt to find an alternate solution that would minimize the potential harm of hijacking while also minimizing the resultant Streisand effect. However, I believe the actions I took were 100% within policy, were appropriate, and were the best course of action to take barring an alternative method that would have minimized the resultant Streisand effect. Eric's actions were inappropriate, both on Jimmy's talk page and on his own talk page. When I initially posted a warning to stay off the thread citing the BLP sanctions, his first response was, quoting, "What are you, an idiot? How can I be under a BLP sanction for commenting on someone who's dead?" - demonstrating both a poor understanding of our civility policies and a poor understanding of ] (of which ] is a subsection.) At various other points, he's also referred to me as a fucking idiot, told me to shut the fuck up, and slung various other personal attacks.

I would like to note that I'm typically very light on tool use; if you look through recent posts, you'll note that I lean far more towards guidance and try to avoid blocks. My harsh approach in this situation was because I perceived significant potential for emotional harm both to Wikipedians and to the family of the deceased. No benefit would be had from allowing the thread to be hijacked, and significant harm would come from allowing it to be hijacked from being essentially a memorial to being a combative thread that would cause emotional harm to both close friends of the deceased and to the family of the deceased if they happened across it.

If I am presented with a similar situation in the future where the only alternative to allowing Misplaced Pages editors and potentially someone's family from experiencing potentially significant emotional harm, I would not hesitate to make use of the BLP discretionary sanctions in a similar way. I believe that my actions were fully policy compliant, and I stand by them. I believe that Misplaced Pages has a duty to avoid harming living people whenever possible, and this was one of those situations. Realistically, if this situation involved anyone other than Malleus, his personal attacks alone would have resulted in an uncontroversial block, rather than hordes of upset people on our talk pages.

This should be a dead issue. Appropriate action was taken to avoid harming living people for no purpose, and it worked. The thread in question is now archived, Eric heeded the warning to not participate in it further, and emotional harm to Wikipedians has been minimized and emotional harm to the family of the deceased has been avoided. Misplaced Pages is often cited as having a toxic environment, and this is a perfect example of that. Reactions like this significantly harm editor retention and related issues.

I'm happy to answer any questions about the situation. ] (]) 22:44, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:Suicide is an extremely touchy subject. Unsurprisingly, that's occasionally reflected in editors' actions on Misplaced Pages. While I sympathize with Eric's position that distressed individuals should seek medical attention, denigrating them is an reaction, one I hope his parents never read. There was no reason Eric needed to vocalize his feelings in such a public forum, and I believe that Kevin was correct to attempt to cut it off. Could he have done it better? With the benefit of hindsight, sure. But did some sort of action need to happen? Yes. ]&nbsp;<sup>]] ]]</sup> 23:03, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

:: Your diff leads to your own edit of the closure of the discussion, rather than Eric's alleged comment, could you possibly correct it and point out the comments you find problematic. Thanks in advance. ] (]) 23:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

:{{edit conflict}} You flatter yourself Kevin, I'd simply said all that needed to be said. And yes, I do mean ''needed'' to be said. WP isn't a refuge for the mentally unstable, in fact it's probably one of the the last places anyone with mental health issues should be. ] ] 23:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

:A little friendly advice: hatting that part of the discussion wasn't a bad idea, but putting yourself in charge of the "follow-up" probably was. Admins get in the most trouble when they try to "OWN" their admin and/or moderator actions. Particularly on Jimmy's or Eric's pages, there are plenty of eyes and no pressure to act right away. --]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>✌ 23:10, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
::Eddie was also actively involved in the follow-up to it; I was not the only admin acting. (And although only two of us were acting, more of us were in a discussion about the appropriate path to take, which we reached agreement on. In the future I'll have a different admin take the next step.) In retrospect: yes, I could have handled the situation in a way less likely to lead to an explosion, and will endeavor to do so in the future. That said, given that it was a situation involving significant potential for mental/emotional harm both for Wikipedians and for the family of the deceased, I still feel like although not ideal my response was still well within policy. I understand you're offering friendly advice and am sorry if this comes off sounding defensive or hostile: it's been a long day, with half a dozen emails in my inbox demanding my resignation, etc. Best, ] (]) 23:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:::No worries, though you might be missing my message. Worrying too much over tempests in teapots generally leads to burnout. I speak from experience ;-). --]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>✌ 23:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


: I'll disclose a potential conflict of interest issue here - I was one of the administrators who dealt with the necessary work after the death of the Wikipedian in question was made known to the administrators at the time. I made one logged action, to protect their editor review.
: I would disagree that any of the thread served in any way as a memorial to the editor in question, it was certainly glowing in the way it described the editor but in no way was it ever intended to be a memorial thread, and it was certainly not in the correct place for such a memorial thread, so closure was absolutely correct and appropriate. The decision to collapse it down and hide it was a very good decision given the number of passing users who might have been a bit confused by it all, but that was all the administrative action needed.
: Now, as an administrator involved in page protection of the deceased editor, it was not readily apparent to me who was being referred to and frankly for the vast majority of those who read the thread, I don't think it was readily apparent who was being referred to or whether it was a purely hypothetical situation. I've been asked today who the thread was about, so any contention it was thinly veiled or would only take any other editor a five minutes or less to find out who it was all about I think really falls down and is a poor argument. You need to realise not everybody pays as much attention to the behind the scenes stuff. If you're going to be cryptic this is the sort of shambles that results. Always.
: So, we have a thread where the intention was to obscure or hide who the subject of it was - there's surprisingly, nothing in the BLP policy about a situation like that, so we have to do what is sensible and prudent in this situation, breaking out the tactical nuclear weapon of Arbitration Enforcement isn't ever the option to try first when there's no policy to back up what your doing, and where there's absolutely no need to escalate a situation you don't even know Eric or other contributors knew existed, that they were discussing a real person who had died only a few weeks previously. Your first action should have been to inform Eric and other participants that they were in fact discussing a real person, not a hypothetical situation and that the person they're discussing could possibly be identified, so they might like to consider their choice of words cautiously. I would certainly consider long and hard whether or not Eric's comments made before you warned him could be considered as falling under the BLP policy.
: The comments Eric made don't violate the BLP policy anyway, so even if it had been known at the start of the discussion, there's nothing immediately problematic. The thread was discussing an event, not a user, and Eric's comments are generic, not directed at the deceased discussed in that thread and cannot be considered to fall foul of any part of the BLP policy as it is currently written.
:<blockquote>Anyone born within the past 115 years is covered by this policy unless a reliable source has confirmed their death. Generally, this policy does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death - six months, one year, two years at the outside. Such extensions would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or a particularly gruesome crime. In the absence of confirmation of death, anyone born more than 115 years ago is presumed dead unless listed at oldest people.</blockquote>
: You might not particularly like what Eric wrote, and it's not the sort of material one would expect to find in a memorial or in a eulogy about the editor, but it's absolutely the sort of material one would expect to find in a discussion about the mental health of Wikipedians in general and how we react to those who might be suicidal, which is all the discussion concerns. I've spoken to a number of fellow Wikipedians at length about this and the comment that resonated with me the most was that if there's any BLP implications, they're for Eric himself, as a result of his own posts. I'm therefore entirely satisfied that in no way could Eric's edits be considered violations of the generic, current ].
: The arbitration enforcement you mention comes from a 2008 Arbitration case, which specifically states
: <blockquote>Special enforcement on biographies of living persons - Administrators are authorized to use any and all means at their disposal to ensure that every '''Misplaced Pages article''' is in full compliance with the letter and spirit of the biographies of living persons policy. Administrators may use the page protection and deletion tools as they believe to be reasonably necessary to effect compliance.</blockquote>
: If you want those specific Arbitration Enforcement sanctions to extend to talk pages of editors, that needs clarification from the Arbitration Committee as it's clearly not what is specifically stated in those sanctions. You would probably need to ask the 2008 committee what they intended, but your proposed sanction, as I have repeatedly stated, would have been out of process and inappropriate.
: All in all, threatening sanctions under the auspices of Arbitration Enforcement (out of process) for comments which wouldn't breach the BLP policy if they discussed a specific named person, but in this case refer to a pseudonym offering increased anonymity is problematic.
: You were told all of this, I explained in length via e-mail why you were wrong but accepted it was a good faith attempt to stop a situation you thought might deteriorate from doing so. I expected a bit of discussion, maybe a thank you, maybe not, and that would have been the end of it. I tend to think Eric was due an apology for the suggestion he's grave dancing (if I wanted to be really arseholish, I'd say that's the most serious BLP violation on that page and a block worthy) but as he was quite unpleasant towards you, I'd be happier if you both dropped it at that point. Anyway, that's how I expected it to go, harmony and understanding would break out.
: But I'm still writing. Not good. I've been here a stupidly long time now doing all of this, and I've never, in all my years of editing and administrating, been told when letting someone know I think they're wrong (even if I'm mistaken) been told "If you're right (and you aren't,)" in an e-mail, nor have I ever, ever been told in any sort of communication, when raising concerns about administrator behaviour and conduct "I would suggest that instead of starting a thread regarding me, you focus on building the encyclopedia." when I suggested one of us starts a discussion to decide whether Kevin's threat of Arbitration Enforcement against Eric was out of process for the many reasons I've listed above.
: I can accept Kevin is a new administrator and I genuinely thought it would be good for them to get a bit of feedback about their behaviour over the situation. No calling for heads on sticks or anything. Nah, the attitude I've had to endure whilst trying to get Kevin to ask for feedback is one of complete intransigence, refusal to start any sort of review about their administrative action on Eric's talk page. Not good, not good at all.
: The final straw came when I looked to see if Kevin was still active/online-ish and saw their contributions to an RfC the were intending to help close. His comments there are so wildly inappropriate and together with accusing Snowolf of making a false statement and , other talk pages . There's dozens of diffs at Eric's talkpage and above here, in particular is most worrying but there's also which is still threatening Eric out of process.
: I think the only option is for resignation. The loss of support from those who supported his RfA and the huge number of problematic edits today leaves me in little doubt that Kevin should not have access to the administrator toolkit at this time. I doubt he will willingly give them up, but I really hope he seeks some significant administrator mentoring away from Ed and the other group who he has been consulting so far. ] (]) 01:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

*I'm not going to bother responding to all of your post, because a lot of it is either confusing or seemingly pulled out of the ether. I will go ahead and say that when I accused Snowolf of making a false statement, I earnestly believed he had - he pointed out afterwards that he had made a request for me to not communicate with him via email on page I don't watch. That changes his statement from 'false' to simply 'misleading' - he implied quite clearly that I had purposefully ignored multiple requests to not email him, when in fact the one request I received I responded to with an explanation of why I had emailed him and saying that I would have a complete onwiki statement in the imminent future.

:I have quite literally no idea why you are concerned at the fact that I started a section on Eric's talk with a link to my statement here, given that multiple people involved in the discussion on Eric's talk had explicitly asked me to write a statement. At that point Eric hadn't even asked me to avoid his talk page, and many people active on his page had asked me to present a full on-wiki statement, which is precisely what that section was trying to do.

:You have also very significantly misrepresented our email communication, and have indicated that you had communicated several statements in this post to me previously, when they're close to the opposite of what you said via email. Some of the points you make here actually make sense, and things would have been a lot simpler if you had included them in your emails, although I'm going to go ahead and suggest that it would be an awfully good idea to harmonize the actual arbcom case with the policy instructions for administrators as found ''']''' one way or the other. I was operating off of instructions found on a policy page rather than reading arbcom cases from 2008. Personally, I'd suggest arbcom update the ruling to reflect a project-wide mandate, since that's how all other BLP policies apply, but that's not up to me. You may be right about the wording of the arbcom case, but acting off a policy page that misrepresents an arbcom case is hardly a mortal sin.

:Most of the diffs you have presented are either misrepresented or out of context. The diff on Chris's page was a post I made after he (who I consider a friend and correspond regularly with) expressed disappointment in my heavy handed use of the tools. I see no reason why asking him to review my tool use and observe that it is generally lighter than many admins is problematic. I'm also quite confused about how you find my statements to Eric suggesting that if he violates policy he should expect to be sanctioned problematic. Are you suggesting that high volume content contributors are literally immune from our behavioral policies?

:The fact that you consider accusing someone of grave-dancing a more serious BLP violation than being called a fucking idiot, being told to shut the fuck up, etc, seems to indicate that you have a very unusual value scale. Please do not contact me via email at any point in the future; I'm uncomfortable communicating via email with someone who has so significantly misrepresented the contents of our past communication.

:I have no intention of resigning over an action that while flawed (as I have already admitted) was within the letter and spirit of policy. ] (]) 02:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

:: I didn't contact you via e-mail - you e-mailed me and I replied. I'd very much like permission to post the entire e-mail conversation within a sub-page in either your or my userspace on-wiki please and we will take it from there. ] (]) 02:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Come on, seriously, both of you. Things went wrong here and everybody's upset, but there's really no reason to perpetuate a who-said-what drama. You're angry at each other. You each think the other has done this exactly wrong. Neither of you is listening to the other. This is really not a good time to start calling for resignations/blood/apologies/fact-finding missions. ] (]) 02:49, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

:We are not perfect, and we all make mistakes. But what is important is the ability to grasp them when pointed out to oneself and learn from them. From the statement here, it is clear Kevin Gorman has sadly learned nothing and still clings to the notion that there was a BLP violation here, even sanctionable with a block. Nick has summed up the situation rather well, and I fully endorse his comments and view. To that I however would like to add that I'm a bit concerned by the persistent use of off-wiki communication to coordinate administrative actions and the discussion thereof, regardless of everything, and I'd like to hear a bit more about this, specifically I'd like to know where did this matter get discussed between Kevin and the other 4 administrators (email, IRC, private mailing list, instant messaging, in person, etc.). I second Nick's wise words suggesting that you take a step back from adminship, as you have been wielding it like a cleaver rather than like a mop. <i><b>] <sup><small>]</small></sup></b></i> 02:32, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

*So... I had a full, reasonable reply typed up to you when someone forwarded me something interesting. Snowolf, can you please explain why you are raising complaints about me asking other administrators for advice off-wiki at the very same time that you are coordinating your responses to me with Nick in an IRC channel? Nick, I'm curious to hear your take on that too. ] (]) 02:50, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

:* I'm not co-ordinating anything with Snowolf, I didn't ask for their comments and have had no interaction at all in what they wrote in response to you. I'd guess that was the same with you, Ed and the other administrators you spoke to - you spoke but you didn't write or co-ordinate each others actions. ] (]) 02:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I mean, I guess it depends a lot on your definition of coordination, but it's fucking hilarious for Snowolf to complain about me talking to other admins off-wiki at the same time the two of you are discussing me in IRC. Nick: I've answered your reasonable points, and ignored some of your unreasonable ones. Most of the diffs you complained about make zero sense. I've admitted that my actions were less than perfect, and have stated that I will not take the same course in the future.

:::I highly recommend that somebody goes ahead and makes the BLP policy page I linked earlier sync up with the actual arbcom case - I'm not going to do it myself because I imagine someone would complain about it.

:::I agree with Fluffernutter, this entire thing has gotten ridiculous. I'm collapsing all relevant discussion sections 20 minutes from now unless Snowolf comes up with an explanation as to why they are questioning me about talking to admins off-wiki at the same time they're talking to you about me off-wiki that is intriguing enough to make this thread seem worthwhile. And Snowolf, if you're willing to collude off-wiki, I'll bet you a beer at the next Wikimania that I'm not successfully brought up at arbcom within the next six months as you are suggesting in off-wiki communication? ] (]) 03:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Kevin, superb, thank you very much. That's all I wanted when I commented 11 hours ago, a little reassurance you understood there was some degree of error, that you understood not everybody agreed you were right, that you accepted you might have been a little mistaken, and most importantly, that you would take on-board these concerns and do things just a little differently. Thanks, and all the best. ] (]) 03:11, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Nick, I literally acknowledged that I had not made an ideal choice in the very first post in this section?... ] (]) 03:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::Kevin, please don't abuse the word "literally". You're not a teen anymore. I just placed a comment on Eric's talk page, but after seeing this I realize it's mustard after the meal. For the record, two things--I didn't see a BLP violation, and I'm not sure that any good has ever come out of IRC chatter (that's a general point--I'm not saying this about anyone in particular). Take it easy, ] (]) 06:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Eh, I meant it in the dictionary sense - I really did say that in my first post in the section, not in the annoying sense it is commonly used in now. That said, you're the english prof :p ] (]) 06:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
*I'm not going to handle it myself, but it's going to present a problem in the future if no one syncs the actual arbcom case with the relevant policy page that describes how to implement it. I generally agree with Fluffernutters suggestion that this has gotten comicay ridiculous, but am leaving this part open in the hopes that one of the people watching this takes care of syncing it... and hoping that {{ping|Snowolf}} comes by to explain why they're criticizing me for talking to other admins off-wiki at the same time they're talking about me with other admins off-wiki. ] (]) 03:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
*:Because they're just hounding you. Ignore it. ] (]) 03:50, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
*:I note you have declined to answer my question, which is of course your privilege but only serves to further my concerns. I did not complain about you asking other administrators for opinions, I expressed my worry for your reluctance to approach the matter on-wiki when asked to, which is a very different concern. I have no issues with off-wiki communication, that is well know. I have issue with misuse of off-wiki communication, and I note your continued refusal to answer the question of how the matter was approached is concerning. It might very well have been approached correctly, but then you'd have no issues in answering questions about it. I would like to remind you that I have taken no administrative actions in this matter and never had any intentions to do so. <i><b>] <sup><small>]</small></sup></b></i> 05:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
*::I have discussed the matter briefly with Kevin and I am satisfied with his assurance that the off-wiki discussion were proper. Amusingly, said discussion came off-wiki :D <i><b>] <sup><small>]</small></sup></b></i> 05:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
*:::There really is something kind of amusing about you initially raising the issue of me talking to admins off-wiki in an off-wiki channel, and then the easiest way to talk to you and point out that there was nothing improper about my previous off-wiki communications. Mediawiki is not always a very conduicive format for an actual conversation. ] (]) 16:04, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

*I just found out about this because Kevin withdrew from closing an RfC I've been watching. I think that what happened to the now deceased member of our community is incredibly sad. I think that it's appropriate for those of us still here to want to treat what happened with sensitivity and respect, as I believe Kevin thought in good faith that he was doing. But, having looked at the archived discussion, I also think that what Eric said, he had good reasons for saying, and that he, too, is entitled to some understanding. It seems to me that this dispute has rapidly escalated far beyond where it should have gone. I hope that no one will continue to be angry at Kevin, and I hope that no one will continue to be angry at Eric. Life's too short to hold grudges over this. --] (]) 20:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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==Thanks and a further note==
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*I'd like to extend a note of thanks to the several dozen people who contacted me off-wiki yesterday expressing support in one way or another. None of you thought my actions were perfect (and as I noted in my initial post, I don't think they were myself,) and some of you disagreed with them completely, but still saw the reaction here as fucked. Getting literally dozens of messages of support has made dealing with a shitty situation less shitty.

:Within the next few days, I'm going to be writing an explanation of why I saw a BLP issue where I did, and why I thought AE was the best route to take. I don't expect that everyone will agree with my reasoning behind it, but I suspect that when I have fully articulated what I saw, many people shall - and those that don't will at least see where I was coming from. One of my most significant failures in handling this situation in my view was getting swamped by the number of negative comments here and taking time to respond to them, instead of taking time to fully articulate why I did what I did. Because my explanation will contain material that I do not believe should be posted publicly, I'm not going to post it here - which I'm sure will piss some people off, but I believe is for the better. Once I've finished it (I'm going to take a day or two to unwind before finishing it,) I will make a note here and send it upon request to any admin who wants it (regardless of which side they've taken in this kerfuffle,) as well as any non-admin who I deem to be trustworthy (again, regardless of which side they've taken in this kerfuffle.) ] (]) 16:04, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

::So basically you're going to continue with your malicious allegations of gravedancing, but this time in private. Nice. ] ] 16:11, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Alternative phrasing: in other words, I will comply with standard best practices regarding the treatment of sensitive information on Misplaced Pages and other Wikimedia projects by communicating it freely with any admin who asks and any other user who I deem trustworthy. Btw, I'm going to go ahead and revert any future posts of yours on my talk page without reading them. You are a valued content contributor; you also seem to believe you are immune to every behavioral guideline we have. That's not the case. ] (]) 16:15, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

::::So you are now judge and jury of who is trustworthy, your arrogance is simply astonishing. You can revert me too as you seem to want to hide away anything resembling the truth. Keep digging the hole. ] (]) 16:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Reread my post. As it stated, I'll happily send my statement to any admin - even to those who disagree with me - which is perfectly in line with best practices for handling sensitive info on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 16:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

::::::" as well as any non-admin who I deem to be trustworthy ", I did. ] (]) 16:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::.. Which, again, is perfectly in line with standard Wikimedia practices for handling sensitive information. I expect you'll find that even most of the people who disagreed with my action would agree that it would be inappropriate to hand out something reasonably considered sensitive information to absolutely any user who requested it (whereas many of them would have an issue with me not sharing a statement that contains sensitive details with any admin who requests it.) ] (]) 16:39, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::::The only sensitive thing here seems to be your feelings. You misread a situation from your very first post on Jimbo's page. You sought affirmation from where it can't be seen and you blather about several dozen people who don't want to be identified. Wiki business should be conducted in the open, something you don't seem prepared to do. I don't understand why you need to issue statements, they don't right any wrongs you have committed. ] (]) 16:50, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::{{editconflict}}You're joining Eric in the auto-revert without reading pile after this response, but I will reply to this. For some reason, you don't seem to understand that some administrative decisions are based in part on information about users that is simply inappropriate to share directly on-wiki. I'm talking to numerous people about my way forward regarding this, including most of the admins who have posted on this page from either side.. and so far, even people who think my action was ridiculous have agreed that posting sensitive info directly on-wiki is not an acceptable practice. I sincerely doubt seeking further advice will have anyone say differently, but if I receive significant different advice about it, I'll alter my posting of it accordingly. That said, I would be shocked if that happens. ] (]) 17:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::No, not all things can be considered in public. See: arbcom, legal matters, discussions involving private information, suicide threats... the list goes on. And given the vitriolic reactions here, is it any wonder why admins who agree with Kevin's interpretation would rather not speak up? ]&nbsp;<sup>]] ]]</sup> 17:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Your editsum messages ==
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Kevin, your editsum message to me: {{tq|trust me, it wasnt thoughtless. Plenty of thought was put in to it.}} Question: what are you referring to with pronoun "it"? (Before replying, be reminded, I never at any time messaged you, or anyone else, on any topic other than your gravedancing accusation levied twice against Eric Corbett.) ] (]) 17:53, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Re your other editsum message to me: {{tq|it's a bit hilarious that anyone thinks an apology to Eric is warranted}}. Again, my suggestion that you apologize was limited to your vile and untrue accusation that he gravedanced on that suicide victim. (You think that request was "hilarious"!?) ] (]) 19:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Again, if you can find a definition anywhere on the web re idiom that doesn't include celebrating or expressing joy over the death of someone, please link it here for my education. ] (]) 19:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
*Hi Ihardlythinkso: the edit summary was intended to refer to my general choice to take action against Eric in this situation more than defending my specific word choice; sorry for the ambiguity, I've been responding to people hurriedly given the volume of stuff I've been replying to. Accusing Eric of gravedancing was not a wise choice on my part - because it was unnecessarily inflammatory. If I was put in the same situation again, I would've used a different, significantly less inflammatory description of his behavior, while still taking action to avoid the in-progress situation. That said, I am not going to apologize to Eric for several reasons. First off: even if it were an inappropriate description of his behavior, I find laughable the idea that anyone should apologize to Eric over a perceived personal attack. Eric violates NPA, civil, and a host of other policies '''far''' more often than any other user who has not already been banned, and does so unapologetically. Second off: I'm not going to apologize because I am far from convinced that it was not an accurate description of his behavior. I'm not going to try to find a contrary definition to satisfy you, being that it's an idiom, and not one defined many places (and yes, I did check the full OED and half a dozen dictionaries of idioms.) ] (]) 21:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Notice ==
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*Thanks for the notification, Ross. Not sure why Malleus didn't go ahead and make it himself, since a request to stay away from a talk page doesn't apply to administratively mandated notices. Best, ] (]) 22:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Thank you == == Thank you ==


I don't think we've ever interacted before, but I want to say thanks for your contributions and my deepest condolences and sympathies go out to your friends and family. Rest in Peace. ] (] – ]) 08:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Someone needs to take a stand against what vested contributors are doing to our community.
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{{tq|I find laughable the idea that anyone should apologize to Eric over a perceived personal attack.}} You're a real jerk and s/b desysopped or resign, you know that?! ] (]) 08:49, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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==Plaudits and accolades==

No doubt you will be encouraged by the foolishly given barnstars above. However, this vainglorious beginning to your admin career has placed you amongst Misplaced Pages's least respected administrators. Whether through ignorance, immaturity or a desire to see your name on the map, you have not served yourself or the project well. To falsely accuse another editor or gravedancing and then attempt a smear campaign to save your own wretched career is deplorable. I'm sure no one, including ], feels anything less than deep sorrow that an editor committed suicide; however, few, if any, of us knew him personally and to use his tragic death as an excuse to excite sentiment and attack other editors in order to promote oneself is something of which you should feel thoroughly ashamed. Your behaviour suggests to me that you are not very old, so I will make allowances for you on grounds of immaturity. Nevertheless, I feel you should resign your tools at once, learn from this experience and re-apply when you are a little older and wiser. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 15:35, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:I feel that you should utterly ignore Eric and his hypocritical band of toadies and sycophants (Giano, John, etc.). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:59, 11 February 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Was my choice of words wise? No. Was the action utterly justifiable? Yes, and I stand by that more strongly than I did when I made it, for reasons I'll be emailing to arbcom. And no, I'm not sharing the details of what I am talking about with you. Shutting down the thread at the point that I did averted serious actual harm to living people. I believe that a solid portion of that harm does not morally rest on Eric, but the fact that I took an action that averted serious harm to living people makes me feel more than comfortable in stepping on someone's toes in the process - doubly so when owner of said toes belong to someone who has no issue attacking anyone he doesn't like in far more vicious ways than I've ever considered describing Eric in.

:Speaking more broadly than this set of circumstances: Eric's behavior represents a microcosm of what's wrong with Misplaced Pages, of why we have trouble attracting and retaining editors, and of why we are unable to effect meaningful demographic change to Misplaced Pages - and all of those things are necessary if we actually want to build an encyclopedia containing a significant fraction of the world's knowledge. Organizations that allow talented contributors (and Eric is one hell of an encyclopedist) to consistently and flagrantly flaunt behavioral norms consistently set themselves up for failure. One of Eric's recent edit summaries was absolutely on point - the same ruleset needs to apply to editors regardless of their position. Is he the sole reason why Misplaced Pages is failing in significant ways? Of course not. But he is a perfect example of our cultural problems.

:If you feel I'm not worthy of respect because I intervened in a situation that prevented harm and did so in a way that did not in any way shape or form impede Eric's ability to help build an encyclopedia, then your opinion matters very little to me. Coincidentally, since you mentioned the barnstars - although I do significantly appreciate the fact that those who placed them were willing to do so in public knowing that it was not unlikely to subject them to vicious personal attacks - if you're worried about the barnstars, you should probably be more worried about the massive number of emailed notes of thanks I have gotten from people stating that they don't want to express their opinions on-wiki because they don't want to tolerate the number of attacks that interfering with Eric generates. ] (]) 16:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::*It seems most of what you do (or say you do) occurs off Misplaced Pages. That in itself is reprehensible. You are '''not''' the personal custodian of late Wikipedians or their memories and legacies. If you really had information from one of the deceased relatives, you should have passed it straight to the WMF or a responsible Arbitrator to deal with; it was not your place to act alone. Now we have the results of your foolishness for all to see. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 16:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Arbcom has standing AE sanctions allowing any admin to take action when needed to prevent significant harm to living people wherever necessary. They have some details from me already, and will have a more full description in their inboxes in the near future. BTW: where have I ever said I had information from anyone's relatives? ] (]) 16:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::well I'm afraid that's all a little late in the day. You are going to have to reform your secretive ways. besides which there was no harm to living or dead people in any of Corbett's posts. You misjudged the situation and are now digging for excuses. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 16:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Seems to be something that others here should be aware of

https://www.facebook.com/bombus.memoriam/

I have no way of verifying the truth of this report. Eric Corbett 19:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hearing the same. :-( Working on a confirmation. Ed  20:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I've forwarded this to WP:AN, not because I want a wider audience but because somebody there will be able to take the appropriate action. I cannot see any reason to believe what I read on the Facebook page is not true. :-( Ritchie333 20:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Nothing on Google I can see, beyond the Facebook that Eric linked.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Rest in peace

I regret to say that it's true. Rest well, buddy, and my best wishes go out to your family and everyone close to you. Ed  20:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I think maybe we crossed paths a few times, however the loss of a fellow contributor, especially one so young is sad. May you rest in peace. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
You are missed. Smallbones(smalltalk) 21:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I am heartsick to learn of this. My deepest sympathies to Kevin's family and loved ones. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I last saw him at the wikiconference in October, and I'm so sad to hear of this. All the best to his family. WWB (talk) 21:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for all of the work you performed here at WikiP. My condolences to friends and family. MarnetteD|Talk 21:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
My sincerest condolences to his family. Never got to work with him, though I did respect him as an Admin and editor. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:38, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Always sad news, and very little to be said. Very sorry to hear about this, my condolences to his friends on and off wiki and his family. Keegan (talk) 21:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
No words feel good enough to express my feeling well. I'm heartened that you were able to help three folks live with generous donations and that you continue to help people. You will indeed be missed and it was a pleasure to have met you and work with you. I hope your family and loved ones are well and make it through this undoubtedly difficult time. Much love, EvergreenFir (talk) 21:43, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Incredibly sad news. Condolences to his family and those who knew him. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

So sad, my heart aches. RIP, my friend; you are missed beyond words. Condolences to family and friends, on and off wiki. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Rest in peace Kevin. You will be missed greatly. -- KTC (talk) 22:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
missed
... and A Requiem in Our Time --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest in peace Gorman —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 14:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I am deeply saddened by the passing of Kevin. Once we began corresponding over a year ago, he treated me with respect, kindness, tact, sensitivity and with the highest example of good faith. I have found him to be a staunch ally and supporter for building the encyclopedia. I especially enjoy his essays. If any of his family is reading this, please know that I am grieving with you and for you and can't even imagine what you must be going through. If there is any question at all about the amazing contributions that Kevin has made to Misplaced Pages, just know that it will never be the same without him. Kevin, I miss you already! The Very Best of Regards,
  Bfpage |leave a message  14:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC),
my real name is Barbara Page and I am from Pittsburgh. I didn't think an anonymous note would do him justice.
  • There are far too few who cared so much about this place. A loss for this project and for us all. Gamaliel (talk) 14:34, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • R.I.P. Stan 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:36, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Deeply sorry to hear this. Regrettably, I never worked much with him, but always respected and esteemed him as a Wikipedian. RIP.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:41, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sorry to see this. --Rschen7754 16:09, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sad news. Prayers and condolences to his family friends and loved ones. Memory eternal! -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Kevin, you were one of the first Wikipedians I was introduced to in depth, and I was so struck by your deep sense of dedication to do good and to do right for Misplaced Pages, for Wikimedia, for systemic bias in free knowledge... Your energy and enthusiasm will be sorely missed. Rest in power. Anasuyas (talk) 17:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It's incredibly sad when someone so young passes away, but at least Kevin will be remembered for his contributions here. Sincerest condolences to his family and friends.- MrX 21:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I did not interact with Kevin much, either on- or off-wiki, but there was no missing the way he stood up for principles in discussions of policy. He will be missed. Daniel Case (talk) 00:31, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest in peace, Kevin. You did a lot of good in this world, and it will be a worse place without you. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:07, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Just woke up to this shocking news. Very sorry to hear this. Kevin was far too young to die. My condolences to his friends and family. I have an idea for a possible way to pay tribute if it would be appropriate and not too soon to talk about this (see below). Carcharoth (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Misplaced Pages is now poorer. Collect (talk) 13:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Goodbye. :( II | (t – c) 19:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sad news indeed, my condolences go to those who worked with him here, and knew him personally. Rest in peace. Zero 13:40, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I first met Kevin in spring 2011. I was doing communications for the Wikimedia Foundation’s Public Policy Initiative (the pilot of the program now run by the Wiki Education Foundation, where I now work), and we’d created a tool that showed how many edits and how much content each student had added to Misplaced Pages. One username stood out from a class UC Berkeley, and after looking at this new user’s contribs, I realized he’d started editing far beyond his coursework; Kevin had gotten the Misplaced Pages bug and was busy improving articles on mushrooms (a hobby of his) and reverting vandalism. Kevin’s devotion to Misplaced Pages was apparent, even in the early days of his editing career (I think he never actually finished the article he was supposed to work on for class, he’d gotten so excited about improving other Misplaced Pages articles). Kevin continued on in the education program as a volunteer, and I was pleased to see him become more involved in different aspects of Misplaced Pages. He recruited several classes as the first Wikipedian in Residence at UC Berkeley after he graduated, with his own unique Kevin way of approaching courses: always with an interest to countering systemic bias and always making sure he was doing the right thing ethically for both the student editors and Misplaced Pages. His impact will continue to be felt for years to come within the education program in the United States. Thanks for all your hard work, Kevin. We miss you already. --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 00:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks for all your excellent and well-intentioned contributions. You're missed already. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • RIP. You did not deserve so few years.--Begoon  13:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest in peace, Kevin. You are missed.--Cúchullain /c 20:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Wow, very sorry to hear this. One of the "good guys". A name to conjure with. Rest in Peace, Kevin. Softlavender (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I, too, was enormously shocked to hear about this. I find it deeply saddening that we often fail to fully appreciate someone's value until they are no longer around. Events like these should be a wake-up call—it is long past time to realize the pettiness and complete lack of meaningful consequence to all the ugly controversies and bickering. We must grasp the fact that real people with lives and feelings are behind those words and signatures. I offer my sincere condolences and well-wishes to Kevin's family, and I commend him for his selfless organ donations to those who were in desperate need of assistance. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Misplaced Pages. 23:12, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest easy, another warm soul gone too soon. I believe we crossed paths a few times, but all the kind words from fellow wikipedians allowed me the pleasure of learning more about you. I appreciate the time you have given to preserve knowledge for countless others, and, with equal importance, the positive impact you clearly left on editors.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I am so shocked to hear of this. He was far too young. My condolences to his family and his friends and his many collaborators in free knowledge and justice. Kevin and I didn't have that many conversations but in every one I heard his deep passion for the work of improving our culture on all levels; he never ceased to be shocked at things that aren't right, and to channel that shock into activism and organizing. I will miss his dedication and I will remember his ideals. Sumana Harihareswara 16:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I worked closely with Kevin when he volunteered in the education program, primarily at Berkeley. Since I was in San Francisco and working at WMF at the time, he used to come by for in-person meetings and lunches. I never could take notes quickly enough to capture his great ideas and enthusiasm for improving students' lives while they improved Misplaced Pages. Kevin also encouraged me to edit as a volunteer, which I continue to do today. He will live on in so many of our memories, but—perhaps most apropos—through Misplaced Pages, which is better because of him. Jami (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sad to hear this, my deepest condolences to his loved ones, Huldra (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC) 
  • Kevin, I've always admired your character and dedication. Rest in peace. Airplaneman ✈ 15:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Very saddened to hear this. Thank you endlessly for all of your contributions to this project. Mz7 (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Goodbye, thank you for your work, and bienvenue à dans étoiles. Dschslavaparlez moi 03:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Too, too young. Condolences to Kevin's loved ones. Your great passion is what I remember and celebrate. RIP. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry to hear this. Rest in peace, Kevin. --Pine 03:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Never interacted with you but Rest in Piece and my condolences go to his friends and family. MWright96 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Always sad, to learn of a fellow Wikipedian's passing. My condolenses to the Gorman family :( GoodDay (talk) 14:18, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Whatever our differences, I am saddened by this news. Kevin was a great Wikipedian, I will not forget him. Worm(talk) 12:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Such a loss for the community. Mkdw 15:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your generosity of spirit, time, intellect, and vital organs, Kevin. We will miss you. The Interior (Talk) 18:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
  • RIP, Kevin. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
  • RIP. Ethanlu121 (talk) 22:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
  • My condolences to Kevin's family and friends. We were in touch briefly last fall with the aim of meeting up to talk about teaching with Misplaced Pages; even though he said he wasn't sure when his health would stabilize, he was full of ideas for the future. I'm sorry we never managed to get together and that the world has lost such a dynamo.Alafarge (talk) 18:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Kevin, you threw your heart and bones at the world, fighting for truth in your work. I don't know anyone else who thought so little of the burdens on themself while they advocated for the rights of others. Thank you for your crazy wild warrior spirit and dedication to human rights. No one will say you didn't give it your all. Ocaasi 20:40, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Kevin Gorman, gone far too soon. Rest in peace. MB298 (talk) 03:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry

that our last conversations were so much unlike our first ones. You and I worked together on a case a long time ago which seemed unwinnable, and we prevailed, for the best of the project. I learned a lot from that, and felt like I knew you a bit. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't--we certainly drifted apart, one way or another, and in one or two fairly crucial cases we did not agree, and I always wished I could have seen eye to eye with you, physically, in the real world, and maybe that would have changed things. You always had a real dedication to this beautiful project of ours, more sincere than many of us, which is probably why you got in real trouble here because you were so dedicated, and sheesh you are too fucking young to be gone. They should take some of us old people, the ones who think they're always right and are sometimes too set in their ways. And who are old and expendable. There's a lot of folks who loved you, Kevin, and I'm , well, I'm sort of out of words. You are one of my oldest friends and colleagues on Misplaced Pages, I mean you were, and it won't be the same without you, tall skinny young person with your funky hairdo. Why do we say the things that matter only when it's too late? sorry yall--NOTSOZCIALNETWORK i know. Drmies (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Continuing Kevin's work

After hearing the awful news above, I was re-reading Kevin's user page, and I noticed his words on missing women philosopher articles. Would in some way, when the time is right, continuing the work he started there be an appropriate way to pay tribute? There may be other ideas (the Facebook page mentioned donations to the National Organization for Rare Disorders), but I am throwing this idea out there. Carcharoth (talk) 06:34, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

How about a barnstar?

Kevin cared very much about working with, and reaching out to, student editors. It occurs to me that the Misplaced Pages Ambassador Barnstar is intended for just that kind of activity, by campus and online ambassadors. I'd like to propose that we rename it the "Kevin Gorman Ambassador Barnstar". Is there support for doing this? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: Seconded. Ed  20:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
third--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Fourthed ? .... Anyway +1 It sounds lovely! –Davey2010 21:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
This is an excellent idea. Should it be raised somewhere else (e.g. on the talk page of the barnstar or at Misplaced Pages talk:Education program), or should it just be done WP:BOLDly after discussion here? Is anyone in contact with his family? Carcharoth (talk) 10:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I believe WP:BOLDly after discussion here is more than enough to just do the barnstarMisplaced Pages:Barnstars...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I already left notes at the talkpage of the barnstar template, and at the talkpage of the WikiProject that deals with barnstars. An editor at the latter had a question, and I directed them to raise the question in the discussion here. I'll also add a note at the Education noticeboard now. I think it would be a good idea to let a few more days pass before making any bold edits. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:45, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
If there is consensus for this, there will need to be a link to some text explaining the rename and why it was done, so the reasoning is available in the future to those using this award. The closest things I've found to a permanent tribute to deceased Wikipedians (as opposed to user talk page condolence and tribute threads and an entry at Misplaced Pages:Deceased Wikipedians) is Misplaced Pages:Wadewitz Tribute Edit-a-thons and the 2014 Wikipedian of the Year award (though others may be able to think of other examples). Carcharoth (talk) 05:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support – But if renaming the existing barnstar, it might be worth considering changing the "ambassador" part as well. Ambassador is a specific user role/program in the context of Misplaced Pages, and one that isn't terribly active on enwiki (though there are ongoing discussions about reviving it). Thus it seems likely that people would assume the barnstar is for (or for use by) ambassadors with that program, and thus wouldn't see much use (and would go unused altogether if that program were to be discontinued). Kevin was an ambassador, but was also involved at the intersection of Misplaced Pages and education in other ways, engaging with faculty, staff, students, Wikipedians, and the public. He also -- and I think this is very important -- came to Misplaced Pages through the education program (when it was the Public Policy Initiative). Perhaps something like "Kevin Gorman Education Program barnstar", or the "Misplaced Pages in Education Gormanstar" or somesuch? FYI I work with the Wiki Education Foundation, but am commenting here solely in a volunteer capacity. — Rhododendrites \\ 23:22, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Those are good points. Perhaps a better approach would be to leave the existing barnstar unchanged, and instead create a new one. I would go with the "Kevin Gorman Education Program barnstar", rather than the other name. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
@Tryptofish, The ed17, Ozzie10aaaa, and Davey2010: For the sake of taking the next step, I went ahead and created Template:Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar and uploaded a basic barnstar image. The template is basically the Original Barnstar, and the image is that barnstar with an education program logo. See three versions 1 (current), 2, 3. I won't be offended if anyone wants to make/use a different image, use a different name, or go a different route altogether -- I just wanted to get the ball rolling. I also added some text to the "header" and "for" fields. — Rhododendrites \\ 14:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Template:Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I think this is the best way to go – thanks! I support the "current" version, aka #1, of the star, and I cannot think of any corrections to the template. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Wow it looks perfect!, Thanks Rhododendrites for kindly doing this. –Davey2010 18:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I think that it has become very clear that editors commenting here support going ahead with this barnstar. The required procedure for doing so is to open a discussion at the WikiProject talkpage associated with such awards. I have just done so, at:
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Misplaced Pages Awards#Proposal for a new Barnstar.
It is important that editors here, who support the barnstar, also comment on your support for it there. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Doing right because it was right

I'm nearly speechless having learned of your death today, Kevin. My impression of you through our public interactions here as well as through email showed me you were an honorable man who believed in doing right – in spite of it not always being popular – simply because it was the right thing to do. I will always remember you in the best of terms and those who treated you horribly or didn't step in to defend you (when you were no longer going to be an admin) in the lowest of terms. You deserved much better treatment and respect. To echo the sentiments of others already commenting here, you left us too soon my friend – way too soon. May the road rise to meet you, may the wind always be at your back; may the sun shine warm upon your face, and rains fall soft upon your fields; until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of his hand. Rest in peace and with the angels, Kevin Gorman. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this is very much as I remember Kevin. Mathsci (talk) 22:55, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Post about Kevin on Feminist Philosophers blog

We posted something to honor Kevin on the Feminist Philosophers blog here. If anyone would like to comment or add or even correct inaccuracies, please do. Also, if you know people who were close to Kevin, maybe they would like to know about the post? Madva (talk) 01:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this, Madva. I've shared your post, and started an article on Anita Avramides to honour Kevin. As I was looking at his list, I realised how few of these academics and thinkers had any substantial information on them (I started with Hide Ishiguro, as the only? person on the list not originally from Europe or North America, but there was almost silence on the internet). It is sadly never surprising to me, but always horrifying. Thank you for the inspiration you gave Kevin, and I'd be delighted if you or some of your students might find time to improve and expand the Avramides article. Anasuyas (talk) 14:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I first met Kevin in 2011 at a "Misplaced Pages in Higher Education" conference in Boston. He was then known for his work on mushroom articles. Over the years, I have participated in several edit-a-thons in San Francisco and Berkeley with him. He was committed to Misplaced Pages, free knowledge, gender equality, fairness in biographies of philosophers and positive values. He was open in discussing his health problems but I did not know that they were life threatening. His life was far too short, but a bit of him lives on in the living bodies of the recipients of his transplanted organs. I will donate blood next week in his memory and encourage others to do so as well. He will be missed. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Kevin's heart still beats

From the facebook page:

"Kevin's heart still beats! His heart was successfully transplanted into another person last week, as was his liver and a kidney. Kevin saved three lives last week by sharing his organs. May his heart continue to beat for many years."

I think a fitting tribute to Kevin would be to register as an organ donor. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Why did someone decide to cut onions near my desk right now? Seriosuly, that is the the best gift one can give, life for others. Already an organ donor myself, and I recommend that if you can, please consider it. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

With a heavy heart...

One of the last things Kevin said to me in an email exchange, January 6, 2016..."I think people often underestimate the amount of healing that family members and loved ones of those who undergo serious medical and other crises have to do even when their physical bodies were not the physical bodies directly affected." His words spoke volumes to me about his sensitivity toward others. He will be missed. 06:33, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Memorial fund

My name is Sierra and I was a very close friend of Kevin's who is organizing the memorial. If anyone feels moved to donate to his memorial fund, which will be used to support his memorial and beyond that his preferred charities, you may do so here: https://www.youcaring.com/kevingormanfund. If you would like to attend the event, please see his memorial page https://www.facebook.com/bombus.memoriam/ for event details. If you wish to attend virtually, check back regularly because details for webcasting the event are still TBD. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.194.86 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar in Kevin's memory

The Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar is now officially listed at Misplaced Pages:Barnstars. Here is what it looks like:

Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar
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Thanks to Rhododendrites, who designed it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

From Gender Gap-list

It breaks my heart that I am not able to post condolences to his talk page. I wanted to say so much about what he did for people behind the scenes, how he kept this forum moderated and open for discussion after arbcom closed down the gender gap project, and how when he talked, the ideas rushed out of him as if he knew how little time he had, and could overcome mortality itself in order to accomplish them, but in the end, there are no words, there are no words. —Neotarf July 30, 2016.

Proxy edit per IAR. Carrite (talk) 19:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikiconference edit-a-thon?

A few people mentioned continuing Kevin's work on women philosophers. It's too late to submit a session to the upcoming Wikiconference in San Diego, but for those involved/attending, would there be some time to set aside for a short edit-a-thon? Or perhaps it's something to bring up at the Unconference, or something that runs through the weekend? — Rhododendrites \\ 22:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

FYI looks like this is happening on Saturday. See Misplaced Pages:Meetup/San Diego/WCNA2016/Kevin Gorman Memorial. — Rhododendrites \\ 18:27, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Updated link, edit request

It's probably unimportant, but the link to ] should now show California Assembly Bill 1535 (2014) instead, or in addition to, the red link. Mathglot (talk) 00:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@Mathglot: You've looked at the top of Kevin's user talk page, right? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:30, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Marchjuly, Yes. I should have added, that this was addressed to anyone following up redlinks why there was one inlink remaining to a page moved with no redirect whose links were (almost) all cleaned up, why this page wasn't also fixed. Answer: due to its protection level; but neither does it matter, and they can disregard it. Mathglot (talk) 01:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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David, this editor is deceased. Second, are do you have evidence of copying or is the content merely the same? A lot of pages copy stuff from Misplaced Pages. Jehochman 12:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I looked at the revision history. It’s not a reverse copy. It’s not a copy either. The material is properly cited and constructed from multiple sources. I’m going to close the copyvio investigation in a moment. Jehochman 12:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I just use twinkle, which cannot tell. I would rather post a few inappropriate notices than not notify someone who needs to be noticed. But one of the reasons a post here might not be entirely inappropriate is that it allows the many people who still l watchlist the page in his memory to correct errors., like my error here DGG ( talk ) 19:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. You make several good points. Jehochman 15:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

I don't think we've ever interacted before, but I want to say thanks for your contributions and my deepest condolences and sympathies go out to your friends and family. Rest in Peace. Lord Sjones23 (talk – contributions) 08:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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