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Big Smart

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Fails WP:NACTOR, WP:ENT, WP: ANYBIO or WP:GNG. All the sources are either promotional pieces or unreliable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 23:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: Does not appear to have reliable secondary sourcing to confirm notability for WP:GNG. Mamani1990 (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: There are some WP:GNG-sources in the article but I could be wrong; so, delete.. Ahola .O (talk) 00:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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Pride Flix

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Fails WP:Notability apparently has created 3 movies but there is no coverage and no mention of those on web except for imdb, the claims have no citations to be verified as well Pizza on Pineapple🍕 (talk) 07:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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I think we should try to improve the article first. If one can't find sources talking about it via google that could be because the sites talking about it are not indexed/crawled. It could also be a problem with Google's algorithm, because it is returning results for PrideFLIX (a streaming website) and a PrideFlix, a catalogue of LGBTQ movies.

I am against deletion for now. TurboSuperA+ (talk) 08:15, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

For it to be included as a live article, not only should this have "sites talking about it" but reliable at that too, it can surely be improved if you are willing to find reliable sources to fix the article while the discussion is in progress. Good luck @TurboSuperA+. Pizza on Pineapple🍕 (talk) 08:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Did you put a notice on the article creator's talk page that the article is up for deletion? Perhaps put a notice on WT:LGBTQ+ as well. TurboSuperA+ (talk) 08:42, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

@TurboSuperA+ commenting that if i put a notice on the article creator’s talk page without checking it, is highly irrelevant to this discussion and thank you for suggesting me to add this to LGBTQ+ related discussions as well. Pizza on Pineapple🍕 (talk) 11:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

It was a question, not an attempt to add to the discussion, but not checking the creator's user page was my mistake. I only checked it after I had posted my comment. TurboSuperA+ (talk) 12:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Fails to be covered in any source other than those belonging to it or a niche. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 08:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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• Delete: Appears to be a direct to video outfit, but it's gone now. I don't see notability for the three films, with no reviews or much of anything listed...The company isn't notable, due to the lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

John Du Cane

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Does not meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines, only source is a broken link OhNoKaren (talk) 01:42, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete. Does not seem to be notable at all. Also lacks any sources. Perfecnot (talk) 01:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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Delete Looks like vanity page to me. Doesn't pass wiki guidelines for SIG COV as per nom. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Manuel Cruz Darwin

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Apart from co-producing some movies, the subject hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy for an article. All the sources are mostly promotional about the movies which he produced. Fails GNG. Thilsebatti (talk) 16:45, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete Fails WP:GNG, no in-depth coverage about the subject in question. TheWikiholic (talk) 18:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Joseph Nalimi

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Autobiography of a non-notable actor. Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: Fails any of the WP:NCREATIVE criteria, fails WP:BIO, this is WP:ADMASQ 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 16:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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Bernard J. Schaffer

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 02:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Based on the article it seems like the relevant criteria here is almost certainly WP:NAUTHOR rather than WP:SIGCOV. That said, I don't think the subject meets WP:NAUTHOR either. They've written too many books for me to do a thorough search for reviews of every single one, but none are with major publishers and I wasn't able to find any reviews in reliable publications — just a handful of reviews on blogs (e.g. ). The author is also very briefly mentioned in a couple of books like this one about the Sherlock Holmes fandom, but nothing to suggest they meet WP:NAUTHOR criteria 1. Overall a lot of low quality sources, but nothing to suggest the kind of significant or well-known work or body of work that WP:NAUTHOR requires. MCE89 (talk) 04:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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• Weak keep found reviews for The Thief of All Light on Publisher's Weekly and the Library Journal. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

  Upgrade to outright keep through further reviews found by Somebody, especially Kirkus. --14:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Passes NAUTHOR through The Thief of All Light (reviews here, here, here and here), An Unsettled Grave (reviews here, here, here and here) and Blood Angel (reviews here and here). Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 03:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

John James Fox

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Lack of notability, unreferenced; looks like it was created by COI editors; ELs old and dead (removed some). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: Article is a decade out of date, with no links to any of the musical acts to show notability. I've never heard of any of them. No sourcing that I can find for this person. Not sure what's left, delete this and be done. Oaktree b (talk) 04:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Stefan Pleszczynski

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Just a brief overview of credits no sigcov. Page is also out of date as it describes a 2014 television episode as recent. Fails GNG Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Kaavya Sha

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From a WP:BEFORE, I am unable to find any independent sources with significant coverage. The only sources I could find with SIGCOV are interviews /wedding announcements, which are ineligible towards GNG. NACTOR is also not met here, as none of these roles are significant enough to warrant a separate article. No plausible ATDR either. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep as per references from The New Indian Express, The News Minute, The Times of India , and her work in many notable movies as mentioned in the article. Behappyyar (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

  I've added more references to it. And Despite this, it is incomprehensible to tag for AfD after a senior editor has already reviewed it. Behappyyar (talk) 06:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: There certainly seems to be more than just passing coverage in the Times of India sources.--Ipigott (talk) 08:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep According to WP:GNG, significant coverage from reliable for establishing the notability of a topic. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 08:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Ipigott and S-Aura, would you mind mentioning the WP:THREE best sources or the sources you think help the subject pass GNG or NACTOR? It would be great to see a source analysis, as all I could find is routine coverage and nothing independent of the subject. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Loudspeaker (2018 film). Clearly the only named member of the cast and her only lead role . DareshMohan (talk) 04:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Mom Soth

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Improperly sourced (by one external link to IMDB) article for non-notable actor. WP:BEFORE does not yield any reliable sources that verify notability. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Bollajira Aiyappa

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I removed a chunk of copyvio text from the article that had been copied from the first reference . The remainder does not seem to establish notability under any criteria that might apply, e.g. WP:NACTOR, WP:NBUSINESS (as founder of a publishing house), WP:GNG. Although there are many references in the article as it stands, they are all passing mentions rather than WP:SIGCOV. There are no linked articles in other language Wikipedias, and my WP:BEFORE turned up no reliable sources with significant coverage. It is of course possible that there is sufficient coverage in local offline sources, in which case I would happily withdraw my nomination. SunloungerFrog (talk) 12:06, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Vanessa Xtravaganza

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Disputed draftification. WP:DRAFTOBJECT prevents unilateral redraftification., Fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Speedy delete WP:MILL club performer. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Mekomo (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. No reliable sources providing significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Madeleine (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:GNG. An alternative could be to redirect to House of Xtravaganza where she is mentioned once. Asparagusstar (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

مايك سي

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Should be deleted from English Misplaced Pages and re-made on Arabic Misplaced Pages Amigao (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment If it is already on the Arabic Wiki, then it can be speedy deleted per A2. However, the tag {{Not English}} can be placed there and translated for further review. Conyo14 (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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 Comment: After translating the page, it seems that the article was written in part or in whole using an AI tool such as ChatGPT, based on its vocabulary biases. The article needs to be rewritten even now to match Misplaced Pages's editorial tone, that is, if it stays.
— Urro ⋮ 20:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Dear Urro,

Will keep in mind, and will re-edit it with neutral tone of Misplaced Pages. WalkerJ007 (talk) 04:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Dear Amigao,

Thanks for your concern, Mike Sy wants to have its english version as well, as he has command over both languages and currently he is living in china and having more notable links that can be cited are in chinese.

As I am friend of Mike Sy, We will proceed for english version in neutral tone, then we will amend arabic version as per english or if any senior wikipedian can do it for us that would be highly appreciated. WalkerJ007 (talk) 04:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:COI Conyo14 (talk) 06:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Also no establishment of WP:SUSTAINED notability using WP:RS. - Amigao (talk) 05:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Ben Yennie

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This man does not seem to be notable, the only content about him that are not from his own companies are podcasts interviews. 🄻🄰 16:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete - WP:PROMOTION. Also delete User:Jwdoke/sandbox, as the draft for this article; possibly the same person as Ben Yennie. No other content was created by this user. — Maile (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - he's a marketer who does his job well, but that's it. His client list doesn't make him notable. Interviews are primary sources, and they don't count, either, for notability. If the subject created two copies of this page, then they should be deleted for that reason alone. Bearian (talk) 04:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Ali Raza (actor)

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Disputed draftification. I do not believe redraftifying would allow this to be accepted because no amount of editing can conjure notability from nowhere. Fails WP:NACTOR. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least two main/lead roles in notable productions + other significant roles. Can be expanded through sources like https://www.thenews.com.pk/magazine/you/1063549-ali-raza (containing an interview; bylined presentation). Declining creation because iit needs improvement could have been OK but not because it does not meet WP:NACTOR. Because it does. -Mushy Yank. 12:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

  I don't think that interview means means much for to WP:Notability, see WP:INTERVIEW. And declining wasn't an option for the nominator, as they said in the nom, this is a disputed draftification; this is an procedurally correct nomination. Follow up @Mushy Yank, I'm just going through the filmography on the article, which two are you considering main/lead roles in notable productions? I'm not sure I'm totally convinced but I could be persuaded to agree. Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Bobby CohnOh, no the interview is not to prove notability directly, just an exemple of what can be used to improve the page and verify the importance of the roles. Regarding procedure; I did not say this could not be AfDed (everything can), just commenting on the fact that the nomination's rationale is based on NACTOR, just like the reason to decline the creation at AfC was. Lead/main cast roles in Muhabbat Gumshuda Meri, & Noor Jahan (2024 TV series) ; significant roles (not minor) in Duniyapur (TV series) & Gunah (TV series). I'm leaving it at that. Best, -Mushy Yank. 20:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: per nom. --- Bhairava7 • (@píng mє-tαlk mє) 14:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - Having lead roles does not make someone inherently notable. They need the significant coverage to support. The references are interviews, puff pieces, or otherwise unreliable. On a side note, this was more than just draftification. It was draftified, then declined, then still moved to the mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Echoing the nom, fails NACTOR and GNG. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  Pardon me, but "fail WP:NACTOR", how, please? -Mushy Yank. 12:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  How is it otherwise? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  Just read the guideline and read the page. It is obviously a pass of WP: NACTOR. See my comment above. -Mushy Yank. 21:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  I read the guidelines and read the page. In my opinion, he did not have any significant roles, in fact filmography section is devoid of any reliable sources. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  No significant roles????? REALLY? I will assume good faith then.... if you honestly want to check, just click on the links about the series.....I’m leaving it at that. -Mushy Yank. 21:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  How does a mention in a Misplaced Pages article confer notability? Almost, none of those articles has his role supported by a reliable source. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  Almost? Meaning, you find a few that confirm them, after all? :D Again, I am assuming good faith. -Mushy Yank. 22:09, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  Once again, the content covered in other Misplaced Pages articles about the subject does not establish notability. Almost meaning the ones I checked lack reliable sources amounting to WP:SIGCOV. He is a young emerging actor but does not have coverage at the level of establishing notability. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  NACTOR is not about SIGCOV (just read it, it's not long), NACTOR is about significance of roles in notable productions. 2 sources in English almost at random to confirm 2 different significant roles in 2 notable productions: https://www.dawn.com/news/1773436 ; https://images.dawn.com/news/1192720. Again, read my comments above. Thank you. (NB- I never said that mentions in WP confer notability, please read me carefully.) -Mushy Yank. 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

NACTOR is 100% about significant coverage. Again, it is under additional criteria (a subsection of WP:BIO which is the actual guideline) and says "may" which is only an indication a person could meet the overall WP:BIO guideline. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

No. See below and read the guideline. -Mushy Yank. 00:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

He is barely mentioned in those two sources. In my opinion, both of these roles do not fulfill the merits of WP:NACTOR. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

But mentioned, right, with his roles? That are significant (not minor), and in notable productions? Correct? So, well, NACTOR applies.. -Mushy Yank. 00:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

significant roles in multiple productions, in my opinion, a role is only significant if it is thoroughly discussed in reliable sources. Merely the role being mentioned does not make it significant. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

"Merely the role being mentioned does not make it significant", sure, absolutely, but again, that is not what I said; it depends on what is said about it. Significant roles in the production (lead/main/recurring/etc) make a NACTOR pass; just like a director plays a significant role in the making of a film. A noted part in/of a noted film can be considered notable enough and that is why such guidelines exist. If coverage allows to verify it, it can/may be considered enough. By the same token, it may be considered insufficient and I understand that is your take but that does not change the fact that it's a NACTOR pass. Really no further comment from me here. Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 01:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

The guideline reads "may be considered notable" (as pointed out in other AfD's), not "is considered notable." The person could have 20 significant roles and not be notable unless there is significant coverage to support. Here, the coverage falls short.--CNMall41 (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Even GNG uses ”may”. WP: NACTOR is a solid reason to keep a page. You can judge it’s not enough if you want but still it’s a perfectly acceptable reason to consider a person notable. This is a NACTOR pass and that is that and that is the applicable guideline. -Mushy Yank. 21:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

NACTOR is not a pass/fail, it is only an indicator of WP:BASIC which requires significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

No. That is simply. not. true. NACTOR is a specific notability guideline for people. You may not like it, you may want to change it or to get rid of it, and you still may !vote to delete or to redirect a page when a subject passes its requirements but it is a notability guideline and the applicable one in the present case. Thank you for your time. -Mushy Yank. 22:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

It is not. It is only part of a guideline that says "may" (meaning "could be" or "possibly"). If you look at the entire guideline (not just the tiny carve out under "additional criteria"), you will see that a person must still meet WP:BASIC. It is not what I like or don't. It is literally what the guidelines says. I do not see anything that says a person "is" notable if they have had significant roles. If I missed that part, please point it out. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you but again, I am very sorry but what you are saying is not true. Again, even GNG does not say something like "Subjects Meeting GNG "ARE" notable and this cannot be discussed and their notability cannot be challenged".

The page WP:Notability (people) says: "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards...."(=additional criteria ). Not "if they meet any of the following standards AND the basic criteria".

Again, one can perfectly judge that a WP:NACTOR pass (or a GNG pass, or a NDIRECTOR pass, or a BASIC pass) is not sufficient but one can also think it's enough; and that is one reason why AfDs exist. I will rephrase: a simple WP:NACTOR pass CAN be (and often is) considered enough for notability (and that is because it is a (specific) notability guideline); it does not guarantee inclusion, that's all.

You may not like it, you may call that specific guideline tiny and want to change it but that is the way it (currently) is. See Cavarrone's comment on the thread you yourself initiated there, please......I really have no further comment. -Mushy Yank. 00:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Fallacy by assertion. I also never called something tiny. Again, please show me where it says someone "IS" notable for having significant roles. I will not hold my breath here. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Fallacy by assertion?? :D Sure, if you say so. "I also never called something tiny." But of course you did. "(not just the tiny carve out under "additional criteria")" No further comment.... -Mushy Yank. 00:15, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't twist my words to support your assertion. "Tiny" referred to the size, not the significance. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I didn't twist your words (let alone to support any assertion of mine, mind you). I just quoted one word you wrote. And you denied having used it. That's all. -Mushy Yank. 00:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Final question which still hasn't been answered. Is there anywhere in NACTOR that says an actor "is" notable for having significant roles?--CNMall41 (talk) 01:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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Ky Dickens

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I checked the first 26 sources for any sign of passing WP:NBASIC. Nothing. The sources are all either interviews, promotional press releases/churnalism, passing mentions (credits), or primary. Not convinced that this passes WP:NDIRECTOR either. Most of the Awards and recognition section are non-notable awards. Two of her films have articles, but notability isn't inherited. qcne (talk) 12:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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Agree, it also before I did significant editing it was clear that it had been written by the subject herself 2A01:4B00:88BE:DF00:C79:3693:EC66:C21B (talk) 14:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Passes NDIRECTOR through Sole Survivor, Fish Out of Water and Zero Weeks (reviews here, here, here and here). Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 15:44, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Struck keep vote as WP:TNT applies. The subject is notable through NDIRECTOR but the article violates PROMO. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 02:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete Completely unnoteworthy and largely written by the subject of the article without disclosure.

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All edits by that account were immediately reverted (not that other edits to the article couldn't have been COI). Nardog (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Reddit post detailing why it should be deleted.Kaynbred 02:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete: I’m also skeptical as to whether the two films mentioned that do have articles even deserve them too 2A01:4B00:88BE:DF00:D083:FA22:6B14:99A1 (talk) 09:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete. The primary reason this article is of note to me is that since late 2024, Dickens' primary claim to fame (notoriety?) has been The Telepathy Tapes, a podcast that I do not think I, as an autistic person, can talk about objectively.
I agree that WP:TNT would be the least circuitous route to a quality Biography, if some iteration of the article was permitted(?) to remain in the database.
Also, I want to make sure I understand Misplaced Pages:Introduction to deletion process § How does the deletion process work? correctly. The page was proposed for deletion on January 12, so if the vote to delete the page is unanimous (which of course it might not be), it could be deleted on the 19th. Is that correct? Thank you for your help!! Finalgirlfall (talk) 17:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi User:Finalgirlfall, that's correct. On the 19th or 20th (usually), an uninvolved administrator will look at the discussion and determine if there is a consensus to close the discussion. If there's not, they'll relist the discussion for 1-3 additional weeks, checking in each week to see how the discussion has evolved. Otherwise, they'll close the discussion and take whatever the consensus action is (such as deleting the article). Cheers, Suriname0 (talk) 01:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

• Merge to The Telepathy Tapes - I do think Dickens meets WP:NDIRECTOR as it is usually applied, but without good secondary coverage to meet WP:GNG I'm skeptical of maintaining this as its own article. (I'm not particularly concerned about WP:PROMO here; the article is short, and can be trivially reduced to a series of simple verifiable claims by removing the awards and recognitions section entirely and trimming Career.) I suspect that higher-quality profiles of Dickens are imminent, given the recent prominence of The Telepathy Tapes. This review in The Times, for example, contains a few substantive sentences on Dickens. A few more sources like that would lead me to vote Keep. For now, we're better off selectively merging info (a few sentences at most) about the host to The Telepathy Tapes. Suriname0 (talk) 01:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose merge as long as Sole Survivor (2013 film) and Fish Out of Water (2009 film) are standalone articles. As a reader, there's nothing more frustrating than clicking a name in an article about a work to learn about them and being redirected to an article about another work. Delete is a far more preferable outcome. Nardog (talk) 13:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

  I personally still would softly favor a merge (as a reader, I prefer ending up on the page that has the most information about them), but pageview data suggests that the Sole Survivor page had 10000 views in 2024, which does make a redirect much less appealing. Suriname0 (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:TNT. First off, this is such a mess right now that it would take a huge amount of time and effort to fix the multiple, obvious, tag-able issues. Secondly, as Jay8g discovered and reverted, autobiographical edits by the subject or a close contact, are reason enough to delete or at least page-protect. Third, the subject's major claim to notability is based upon a fringe idea. Meta and X might allow such biased opinions, but we are not primarily a social media platform. I'm not against a redirect to The Telepathy Tapes, which is labeled as speculative and is possibly notable (although I don't concede that). Bearian (talk) 03:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Susovan Roy

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Non-notable actor, doesn't passes WP:NACTOR. I got a mail from User:Xegma, they written, Hi Taabi, this is my article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Susovan_Roy why you tag deletion for it. Please remove it. I'm that actor pls withdraw it. They also closed the discussion and drafted the page. It's a clear WP:COI. The closing admin can ask me for the proof of their mail, I'll be happy to share. Taabii (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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Dean Blechman

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Tagged for notability since 2016. Time for the community to decide whether or not this person is notable. Unclear if the subject meets WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 04:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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Professor Backwards

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Delete per WP:TNT. Been tagged since 2009 and nobody has pitched in. So many issues in this article, including the use of many quotes with no supporting attributed sources of potentially copyrighted materials. (his jokes probably are copyrighted and these quotes are likely copyright infringements unless we give attribution). The only source used is an SNL transcript which is a primary source. There's unsubstantiated claims of varying kinds that require a source because of the nature of the claim. This person is notable but the article requires a complete rewrite. Best to blow this up and start over from scratch.4meter4 (talk) 02:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom and per not WP:NOTQUOTE Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 03:11, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Meets WP:GNG, he has sources on him in Newspapers.com, Professor Backwards To Entertain At Taylorville Country Club Stag (The Taylorville Daily Breeze Courier), Prof. Backwards (Nosdnomde) Staging Swohs Twice Nightly (The Morning Call), Professor Backward Hit With 'drawkcaB' Actions (The Commercial Appeal), Professor Backwards Comes To Greenville (The Greenville News) and Professor's Murder Predictable (The Greenville News). It doesn't have to be deleted, it could still be rewritten in the same article. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 04:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

We might have to get an admin to redact the copyright infringed material from the article history if you want to pursue this option.4meter4 (talk) 06:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - for goodness' sake, his murder made SNL's Weekend Update. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:21, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Mustafa Nader

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He does not meet Misplaced Pages's notability policy. All sources focus on a single event—his cancer diagnosis. There is no significant or varied coverage, and the article appears promotional. فيصل (talk) 00:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete Neither significant coverage nor any notable achievements are evident.Gedaali (talk) 09:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I created the article according to a friend recommendation. I know notability issue is debated. When I worked to create this article, I asked some other editor for their opinion. محمود (talk) 19:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Harsh Beniwal

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Here we are again, a year after the fourth deletion discussion was closed as Delete. Speedy was declined so we are here to decide yet once again if this meets notability guidelines. Nothing since the last AfD shows notability. Note that most of the press is from reliable sources, but it is all similar to this which is unreliable churnalism and falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. CNMall41 (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Pinging everyone from the last deletion discussion to see if they see anything I don't as far as notability that has taken place since this was closed in 2023. @Worldiswide:, @Mooonswimmer:, @Edwardx:, @Pharaoh of the Wizards:
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• Delete: Sources 2 and 7 are RS, but trivial coverage, barely anything beyond a paragraph. This is about what you find, celebrity shares photos. This is barely longer than a paragraph. We don't have enough sourcing for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: meets WP:NACTOR or WP:ENTERTAINER as Harsh has had played significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows. He has played an important role in the film Student of the Year 2, played the lead role in the film Checkmate.. He has also played the lead role in the series Who's Your Daddy?, Who Killed Jessica?, and Heartbeats, also played an important role in the TV series Campus Diaries. This is an in-depth coverage which is talking about his journey. 1, 2 are reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jitujadab90 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

The first one is unreliable per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The other two were already decided in the four previous AfD's to not be enough. Looking closer, they are churnalism based off the announcement of his roles. What press can you provide since the last AfD that would be considered in-depth?--CNMall41 (talk) 23:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Checked WP:NEWSORGINDIA; not a single word is saying News18 is unreliable. So we can say News18 is a reliable source. The other two are not churnalism, as the two articles are written by journalists; the 1st is reported by Archit Mehta on May 7, 2019, and the 2nd one is reported by Sana Farzeen on April 13, 2019. Jitujadab90 (talk) 07:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Not quite. Just because NEWSORGINDIA doesn't explicitly mention News18 among the examples it gives of media outlets engaging in churnalism, doesn't mean that News18 doesn't do that; a variation on the theme of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". In any case, NEWSORGINDIA is making the general point that "even legitimate" outlets commonly do this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, respected or legitimate news outlets sometimes engage in churnalism. But does this mean News18 is an unreliable source? If so, then on what basis will you judge that News18 is an unreliable source? Can you point to any policy that backs up the statement that News18 is unreliable? Jitujadab90 (talk) 09:11, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

No, it means that News18 shouldn't likely be used if you have better sources. Churnalism is the issue, not any news source in particular. Oaktree b (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

What do you think of these sources? 1 2 Jitujadab90 (talk) 18:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

No one said the publication is not reliable. The source itself is unreliable per NEWSORGINDIA. There is no byline, it is marked as being created by "buzz staff" or "trending desk" which is a clear sign of churnalism. So, it is not that News18 isn't reliable...it is that particular reference in News18 that is unreliable. As far as the two you just posted above, they are not in-depth and the second one (the publication itself) is unreliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

I will stick to my vote to keep, as Harsh has more than 16 million subscribers on YouTube (according to WP:NYOUTUBE, Subscriber count helps meet the second criteria of WP:ENT). Also, he has had significant roles in multiple notable television shows such as Campus Diaries, Who's Your Daddy?, Who Killed Jessica?, and Heartbeats, thus satisfying WP:ENT. Jitujadab90 (talk) 21:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

That essay is a great guide, but there is no subject-specific criteria for notability on YouTubers. I do respect your contention and the right to vote !Keep however. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Added more news reference which are reliableThe Pioneer, The Quint, Rediff (RS for subscribe count), The Statesman, News18 Interview Jitujadab90 (talk) 11:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Jennifer Coppen

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Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️ 15:49, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete as per nominator. Does not show enough Notability to be included in mainspace. Pizza on Pineapple🍕 (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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• Weak keep sent it to draftspace days back but I've seen alot of improvement source-wise and contentwise, passes WP:GNG at it's current state but still doubtful on WP:NACTOR. ANU 04:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: Passes NACTOR through roles in Romeo & Juminten and Best Friends Forever. Also appears to pass GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 13:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Thomas F. O'Neill

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The one source that is used is literally just a filmography listing. It doesn't have anything to say about the subject's work. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 03:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep. He was an art director for notable films and he has sources about him Clothes Make the Character: The Role of Wardrobe in Early Motion Pictures (Page 122), having information that he was born in brooklyn and died in the Bronx and has his birth and death year mentioned, and also saying that he left the film industry in 1935. He also has a death notice in Newspapers.com, O'Neill--Thomas F. (Daily News), but still not confirming the day he actually died. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 01:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

This is not in-depth and it is not WP:SIGCOV. Sigler's Clothes Make the Character: The Role of Wardrobe in Early Motion Pictures has less than a paragraph. It states: "Thomas F. O'Neill (1890-1974). We know he was born in Brooklyn and died in the Bronx, and he had at least twenty-one art director credits, among them The Man Who Laughs (1928) and the Perils of Pauline (1933), along with Broadway. However, after 1935, he vanished from the industry scene while still a young man." That's it. Only 55 words of text, about the size of two DYK hooks. The death notice is also perfunctory and it is not clear that it is independent. Looks like a paid obituary. I wouldn't count either of these as qualifying references towards WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 02:15, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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George Meehan

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None of the sources (other than Blottner) mention the subject in anything but credit lists. This does not constitute significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 04:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment. Probably none of the references? Many sources mention the subject other than in the credit list! gidonb (talk) 18:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Feel free to add those here. The only source used which has him in anything beyond a credits list is the Blottner source; but those comments are sparse and perfunctory and do not demonstrate WP:SIGCOV. Please provide evidence of sources with in-depth coverage. None of the materials address biographical content like dates of birth or death. An encyclopedia entry (if one can be found) would go a long way to proving notability for example. Even an obituary (as long as its not a paid for one) would be useful to help meet GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 21:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

It's a reference. References are in the article. Sources are out there. This particular reference was removed by someone and just re-added by me. I saw maybe 10-20 sources that mention the cinematographer. He probably passes CREATIVE #2 for being extremely prolific. Texts often say something about the job he did. There is an anecdote in a book about a fellow cinematographer who he trained. There might be more in the newspapers. gidonb (talk) 22:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

That's a WP:SOURCESEXIST argument which is listed as a discredited argument at AFD. You must produce specific sources here with specific details (preferably url links but offline sources with title, author, date, publisher, and page number work too), and not make vague unsubstantiated claims.4meter4 (talk) 22:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

No. It's not WP:SOURCESEXIST at all as I do not say that SIGCOV exists, only that I'll look further. That's anyone's prerogative. Please note that thus far I have only commented so all these frames are totally irrelevant. gidonb (talk) 01:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep. WP:CREATIVE does not require secondary biographical SIGCOV. What needs to be established is that he created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. I would say that a cinematographer plays a "major role" in the creation of a film, and as a prolific cinematographer who worked on a large number of significant films I think he clears that bar. I also would not be at all surprised if WP:GNG coverage exists and is just difficult to find, but I don't think it's necessary given that he passes WP:CREATIVE. MCE89 (talk) 07:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Edd Gould

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I've been pondering on nominating this for AfD, and I've finally come to the conclusion that this article is not eligible for standalone notability and should either be deleted or merged into Eddsworld (if that article is even notable at this point with such sketchy sourcing). A WP:BEFORE search brings up obituary-style sources and passing mentions in articles. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 01:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep: while i agree Eddsworld isn't sourced properly (and that it probably is impossible to source well given the mainstream media snobness about early-2000s internet culture), this article in particular seems pretty well sourced to me. That his notability mostly comes from the continuation of his work by Ridgewell (ie he became notable mostly posthumously) is irrelevant because he is notable. I think EddsWorld should be merged into etiher TomSka or this article, but that's not the subject.

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• There aren't very many in-depth sources (including in the article) but I think there are just enough to support a short article on Gould or Eddsworld. However, most of the coverage is overlapping between Gould and Eddsworld and I don't think there is enough to justify articles on both of them so I would support a merge to Eddsworld (or vice versa). Shapeyness (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Eddsworld and Edd Gould have alot of disconnected stuff from eachother, and do have their own histories, alot of content involving the show and it's creator reference these articles, so they are definitely in use.

They should'nt be deleted or merged Charliephere (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Martin Smith (academic)

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Please click the blue button that says "show" to reveal my rationale.𝔓𝔓 16:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.mdx.ac.uk/_samllogin/mdx-intranet?url=https%3A//www.s.mdx.ac.uk/about-us/our-people/staff-directory/profile?name=smith-emily	~ Former employer but there is probably some editorial oversight on their website	Has a press in good standing I think?	404 error and I couldn't retrieve it from the Internet Archive	✘ No
http://www.cybsoc.org/contacts.htm	Website of the organisation that he was the leader of	Nothing at WP:RS and the website is no longer live	Website 404 error	✘ No
http://www.cybsoc.org/contacts/people-Smith.htm	Website of the organisation that he was the leader of	Nothing at WP:RS and the website is no longer live	Website 404 error	✘ No
https://www.emeraldgrouppublishing.com/journal/k?id=k#editorial-team	The source doesn't mention the subject so it's independent in that regard .	Emerald Group Publishing appears to be in good standing	Doesn't mention the subject	✘ No
https://wosc.co/board-of-directors/	Website of an organisation whose board he sat on.	No discussion at WP:RS that I am aware of	Just a mention in a primary source	✘ No
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• He could pass GNG if we consider a combination of awards: the Freedom of the City and the Public Awareness of Physics Award by the Institute of Physics. What do other people think? Bearian (talk) 00:46, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

  Two non-notable awards are definitely not enough for ANYBIO and obviously don't count whatsoever toward GNG, which is strictly about coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 19:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• CommentThe awards could potentially support C2 of WP:NACADEMIC/C1 WP:ANY. However, as far as I can see there aren't any reliable independent sources to verify that he actually received those awards so including them is effectively original research.

His TV appearances may support C1 of WP:ENT although the sources used don't verify these appearances and the text implies that he only had supporting roles or guest appearances in these productions.

There may also be C5 and C3 of WP:NACADEMIC and his editorships could potentially support C8.

But, as far as I can see there simply aren't any reliable sources to support any of the above. Also, if these subject-specific criteria were present then one would assume that there would be some secondary-source coverage and therefore GNG. Relying on primary sources alone to establish notability usually results in pages that read like lists or CVs and the end result is effectively a secondary source when we're aiming to create a tertiary source here.

Plus, any future expansions may very well lead us down the OR route.𝔓𝔓 14:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

• NeutralI am going to abstain from voting for now with a recommendation to allow the discussion to continue for another week to see if any ATDs are possible and reach a broader consensus on what to do with this page. Thank you Bearian and JoelleJay for your insights and contributions thus far.𝔓𝔓 14:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Ann Pennington (model)

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Doesn't pass GNG - apart from one puff article seems only to have inherited notability for marriage to Shaun Cassidy Golikom (talk) 05:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Redirect to Shaun Cassidy#Personal life perhaps? Procyon117 (talk) 15:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Gina Hiraizumi

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Non-notable American actress. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 01:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep: Passes WP:NACTOR through roles in Doom Patrol (TV series), Soap Girl, Only the Brave (2006 film), The Nana Project and various Lifetime productions (see page, with a couple of reviews mentioning her cited), at least. -Mushy Yank. 00:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC) (coverage mentioning her roles include, almost at random https://deadline.com/2021/04/doom-patrol-hbo-max-five-recur-season-3-1234742555/ ; https://collider.com/doom-patrol-season-3-cast-sisterhood-of-dada/ https://www.abookof.us/talent-index/gina-hiraizumi https://www.thewrap.com/vivica-a-fox-new-the-wrong-movies-lmn-lifetime-movie-network/ (only mentioned twice but to verify the roles) https://2paragraphs.com/2020/03/actress-gina-hiraizumi-flaunts-natural-boob-job-in-lacy-bra/ (really not great but indicates 2 other noted roles in popular series) etc ; might also been considered a prolific actress thus meeting WP:NACTOR's second criterion (https://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/gina-hiraizumi/credits/3000481836/)

  my signed comment above was expanded by myself (see below) -Mushy Yank. 07:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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I did sign and then expanded my comment in the same block, but all right, I'll sign again at the bottom.-Mushy Yank. 07:56, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Steven Wiig

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as an actor, fails WP:ENT, having only one notable named role in Milk (2008 American film). all his remaining credits are unnamed, often uncredited roles, with even his most notable appearance in Into the Wild (film) being an unnamed ferry ranger. only one local source is used as evidence for this "notability", alongside IMDb which is not reliable per WP:IMDBREF. as a musician, he fails WP:NMUSIC; his most notable accomplishment is playing in a band that Metallica's bass player also played in. once again, the "notability" for his music career is established with only one source. jeschaton (immanentize) 20:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Other named roles include Into The Wild (as Lee's Ferry Ranger), Milk (as McConnelly), Yosemite (as Michael), Sacred Blood (as Buck), Waiting For Wiig (as Wiig), All The Others Were Practice (as Amir) and I'm Charlie Walker (2022) as Dan Wallace.

Recorded two albums with Jason Newsted's (Metallica) on Chophouse Records: Unipsycho (2002) and Live Lycanthropy (2003)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/2154086-Papa-Wheelie

Also released several albums with Shrakys, The Martichora and soon Radio Incognito Nagalist (talk) 07:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Member of the Screen Actors Guild since 2011. SMCLL (talk) 17:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Keep per Article updates Nagalist (talk) 19:49, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

 Comment:: "Lee's Ferry Ranger" is a job description, not a name. Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 03:21, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

"Lee's Ferry Ranger" is the name of the character. Nagalist (talk) 19:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Keep notable appearances updated SMCLL (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

I struck out the comment above because SMCLL had already entered their view below (duplicate !vote). Schazjmd (talk) 21:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR, WP:NMUSICIAN, or WP:GNG. I found one independent source not already used in the article but like the others, it's merely local coverage, and even it says "Wiig's path to what you might call U.P. superstardom -- he's still relatively unknown in lower Michigan, but is becoming a household name in the U.P.", indicating a lack of notability outside of the area where he grew up. That was in 2014, but I cannot find any significant coverage since then either. Schazjmd (talk) 20:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  Of the additional sources that Nagalist just added to the article, most are trivial mentions, a piece in a school paper, plus a few blogs and imdb. There is the cineSOURCE article, however cineSOURCE is a niche online site for the Marin area (where Wiig lived at the time), so it still seems like local coverage only. Schazjmd (talk) 20:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

  Hollywood Reporter, San Francisco Chronicle, SFGate, Blabbermouth, Loudwire, Guitar World & Inside Pulse are NOT local niche resources SMCLL (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete Per nomination and above comment. Go4thProsper (talk) 23:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

References updated Nagalist (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Keep per updates SMCLL (talk) 19:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC) — SMCLL (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Sources updated SMCLL (talk) 21:15, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Mrinmoy Bhowmick

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Promotional and not important (notable) Indian film director. Nq Wisit (talk) 09:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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Betty Henderson

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Almost no information is provided on this actress. For a list of credits, readers can go to IMDb. Henderson had minor roles in a few movies. In one B movie, The Gorbals Story, she received third billing. She might have been the female lead alongside someone not mentioned in the top three, or perhaps the other two billed actors were the true leads. In either case, this article, in its current state, provides data and virtually no context, making it fail NOTDIR #1. Henderson seems to fail NACTOR as well. gidonb (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep: meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles (not lead) in notable productions (The Gorbals Story and The 39 Steps, for example). It is a stub in its current state but stubs are meant to be improved rather than deleted. -Mushy Yank. 09:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Yet is her role in The 39 Steps really significant? IMDb and we have her billed 13th, this database has her listed 12th. All towards the end. It appears that her only significant role was in a B movie. PER NACTOR: Such a person may be considered notable if: 1. The person has had significant roles in MULTIPLE notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or 2. The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Also, how is the GNG satisfied? The caps in the quote are mine. gidonb (talk) 17:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SIGCOV - I looked, and found a few passing references like this book. She has a very common name, so finding anything like that is looking for a needle in a haystack, pardon the cliché. Bearian (talk) 02:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment A quick search of the British Newspaper Archive shows that she also appeared in many stage performances, none of which are mentioned in this article yet. I'll add some info and sources and then consider whether she meets WP:NACTOR. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, RebeccaGreen! I'm willing to give her a pass on NACTOR #2 as prolific. Can you find SIGCOV? I couldn't. gidonb (talk) 04:29, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep I have edited the article, including adding a table of some of her stage performances. I believe she does meet WP:NACTOR. She had several significant roles, as well as some supporting roles, with a notable theatre company, Glasgow Unity Theatre, of which she was a founding member. Her most significant role with them was probably Peggie in The Gorbals Story (on stage and screen - the stage play was definitely notable too, though there is no article about it - it played in the West End and toured Britain). She also played Gran Crombie in 6 episodes over the 4 seasons of High Living. So far, I have included quotes about her performances in the references. I haven't yet managed to find a great deal of biographical info from reliable sources, unfortunately, but I'll keep looking. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:36, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:HEY. Coldupnorth (talk) 11:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
• Withdrawn. SIGCOV has not really been proven but can probably be pulled together from multiple sources. It's a historic figure and there is no BLP concern, so I try to remain openminded. Thanks to all who provided input and especially to RebeccaGreen for adding tables and referencing. A barnstar is on the way! I am not closing as one delete opinion remains. This should be left to a third party. gidonb (talk) 14:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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Mathis Touré

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Non-notable footballer and former child actor. Fails WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT with maybe only a single piece of WP:SIGCOV, a blog/commentary piece in a Corsican paper. The rest is routine transfer coverage. Fails WP:NACTOR with only one role that could be described as significant (the coverage of it is all trivial mentions). Please ping me if I missed anything. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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  • soft delete The person doesn't appear notable. Agree with nominators notices.

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  • Corse-Matin is an established daily newspaper founded in 1944. Are regional newspapers insufficient sources anywhere in the world or only in certain regions? Also, there is only one article that could be described as transfer-related, not multiple as the phrasing might suggest. ash (talk) 02:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    The source cited in the article is based on an interview, so it doesn't contribute towards its subject passing WP:GNG. BilletsMauves 11:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep He's made the French U19 team (sport) and his film role (acting) was as one of two principal characters around which the story is centered in a popular French comedy. While each career individually might not meet the strictest interpretation of WP:NSPORT or WP:NACTOR, his combined achievements demonstrate impact across multiple fields of public life. ash (talk) 02:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  If the careers (and sources) don't "meet the strictest interpretation of WP:NSPORT or WP:NACTOR," as you admit, then the subject fails WP:GNG rather clearly. Anwegmann (talk) 03:18, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete—Not notable, fails meaningful WP:SIGCOV and clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:GNG, all the sources I could find are passing mentions, database entries, and a couple interviews. BilletsMauves 11:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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M. V. Mani

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Not notable, entirely unsourced, praising the subject. Another coincidence is that the username of the creator of the article matches the subject's middle name. I thank @Espresso Addict for giving me the go ahead. SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 10:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Comments: first off, this is one of the most vandalized articles I've ever seen here. There is one citation from a source that was reliable at the time it was written. There are more sources online. First, if I were still a sysop, I'd semi-protect the page. Then I might consider Draftify. Then responsible editors could work on sourcing. Bearian (talk) 03:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  1) Thanks for the review

  2) There do seem to be sources about him appearing in films and etc and there are sources, thoughh written in bracket which can be converted to real citations.

  3) My main issue is that I can't find anything about his freedom fighting history or him being a "true gandhian". Plus, it may very well be true since the person who wrote the article (he wrote and Rewrote it a couple times) seems to have a COI as his username is the same as the subject's middle name. All his contributions are towards the article.

  4) The vandalism is crazy

  My conclusion is that we draftify it and entirely rewrite it because at least 90% of the content of this article seems to be some sort of information only known to the creator, and if so it's not notable. Thank you sir ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 11:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Tina Albanese

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This person doesn't seem notable enough to me. I cannot find any news coverage about her. Aŭstriano (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: The article lacks sufficient independent, reliable sources to establish her notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moopaz (talk • contribs) 22:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep I think she meets WP:CREATIVE #3: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". Apart from her other work, she co-wrote and co-executive produced 3 seasons of See Dad Run, and that has been the primary subject of multiple independent reviews. Some of the references from the See Dad Run article could be added here. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Peggy Batchelor

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Contested draftification of an article on a non-notable actor. There is no reliable source for the WP:OR claim that she was the oldest-ever actor who had appeared in Doctor Who (not that that is even a claim to notability). The source for this claim appears to be a Doctor Who wiki. She fails WP:NACTOR as her handful of roles appear to be minor parts, and they are sourced to IMDb, an unreliable source. She fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO for lack of coverage in independent, reliable sources. There are a couple of articles in a hyper-local village newsletter (, ), another WP:SPS (), and a self-published as-told-to quasi-autobiography. As for WP:ANYBIO #1, I looked into her Fellowship in the Royal Society of Arts, but it's not a rare honor (there are 31,000 active Fellows) and can be acquired by online application and payment of a fee. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Dclemens1971: Hello. I understand. However, what I do not understand is how some articles such as this one are accepted but not others. This seems like discrimination. There are people as notable as Peggy Batchelor or less notable than her who have pages. Please explain. Spectritus (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

It's not discrimination in any way. It's about independent, secondary, reliable sources. IMDB isn't a reliable source. Wendover News is not likely an independent source. Peggy Batchelor's as-told-to, self-published autobiography is not a reliable, independent, or secondary sources. Pointing to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't make Batchelor any more notable. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Dclemens1971: Doesn't the fact someone wrote a book about her make her notable enough? Also, may I ask how users are supposed to find sources if Misplaced Pages condemns almost all of them?

The author wrote a book "as told to" her, which means it's basically Peggy Batchelor talking about herself, and thus not independent. And the biography was published by AuthorHouse, which is a vanity press and thus it's a WP:SELFPUBLISHED source and not reliable. English Misplaced Pages does not condemn almost all sources; it has specific standards, and the ones you used in this article don't meet them. If you have questions about individual sources or sourcing more generally, please visit WP:RSN. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Zero coverage found for this individual, acting roles are minor, would not pass notability for actors. A voice role in Doctor Who isn't the stuff of notability. Oaktree b (talk) 19:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete She was featured in only 1-2 episodes of each TV show she was in and played relatively minor roles in films. The article itself seems to be fixated on the (likely original research) trivia of her having once been the oldest person who had been a cast member of Doctor Who, which as we discussed in this AfD, isn't particularly relevant or notable. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note I agree this would be better in draft space. She also had a stage career, which has not been included in the article yet. I am sourcing and adding references and information, and will then consider whether she meets notability guidelines. If she is, the article needs editing, as it reads more like a eulogy than an encyclopaedic entry. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks. Spectritus (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep Having found and added sources, I think that she does meet WP:BASIC. There are multiple, independent sources, some substantial, some less so, but they add up. There is coverage across her life in both national newspapers and local papers around the UK (around England, and also Northern Ireland and Scotland). The article could still use some work - I'll work on the lede and info box. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  Unfortunately, I cannot view the many British Newspaper Archive links you added since I don't subscribe and it's not available through the Misplaced Pages Library. However, I looked at a few of the other links you added and they don't seem to add up:

  • A mention of her name in a radio programme cast
  • A single mention in a local newspaper's stage play review: Outstanding performer in a capable cast was Peggy Batchelor who admirably sustained her role of a fussy specimen of nice womanhood with mothering tendencies towards the male Godfrey Bond turned in a splendid piece of characterisation of tne class beloved to English comedy writers the butler who is incapable of being surprised and is always adequate to meet all emergencies
  • A user-generated source on the history of a local theater club
  • A single reference in a local news story

  None of these adds up to WP:SIGCOV. Can you better characterize the British Newspaper Archive sources so editors can properly evaluate them? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  As I wrote, I think that she meets WP:BASIC - "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." The number of times a source is referenced gives an idea of the amount of detail in the sources - the profiles of her published in newspapers in Tyne and Wear and Cambridgeshire are particularly detailed, while the Belfast source has a bit less. There is more detail in The Stage article about the drama school she founded in Essex that I have not included. There is coverage over many years - 1925, 1938, 1947 all deriving from her appearances at the Wembley Tattoo; 1946-1966 in stage shows; 1970s-1980s as founder of a drama school and as a nationally recognised adjudicator.

  You mention that being a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts is not a rare honour. Being a Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama is - information online states "The Guildhall School offers the following honorary awards for distinguished services to the School and to the profession: the FGSM (Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded to distinguished professors, examiners and past students and the Hon GSM (Honorary Member of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded for services to music or drama and to the Guildhall School. Limited to 100 holders at any one time." That is an indication of her professional standing, in addition to the news coverage about her.

  I am not suggesting that all the sources contribute to notability - 3 of those you link to provide evidence of facts in the article (her appearances in two radio programmes; the date she left the drama school she founded; the facts that she taught at drama festivals as well as adjudicating, and that she worked at drama festivals in Wales as well as England and N. Ireland). RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Info about sources More info about the sources was requested, so here is the text of the main sources I have found from the 1970s-90s. (Numbers are the current reference numbers in the article.) I included quotes in the article from reviews of her appearances in the 1940s and 50s. As I said above, there is coverage across her life (from 1925-2020) in both national publications and local papers around the UK (from the north-east, east, south-east and south-west of England, as well as Northern Ireland).

• 1 Next to results of the Ryton Music Festival in the Gateshead Post (in north-east England), a photo of Peggy Batchelor and the following text: "Woman in the festival hot seat PEGGY BATCHELOR F G S M, L G S M who has been adjudicator in the Drama Sections at Ryton Music Festival has had a lifelong association with the Arts, gaining basic training at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and touring many countries during the war with ENSA companies. She then became a founder member of Arts Council West of England Theatre Company followed by radio cabaret and other theatre engagements. Eventually she returned to the Guildhall to become a Professor of Drama and an Examiner for the school. She opened her own school in Essex which she named after a professor who had been such an influence on her life - the Ridley Arts Educational School and Studios."

• 2 In a Cambridgeshire newspaper (in East Anglia / the east of England), with a photo of Pegggy Batchelor: "To judge the drama THE ADJUDICATOR for this week's Huntingdon Carnival Drama Festival and the “Weekly News" Drama Awards is Peggy Batchelor. Her life has always been associated with the arts - her mother sang at Sadlers Wells and Covent Garden and her father sang semi-professionally. She studied at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and obtained her performer's diploma. This where she first met Dame Sybil Thorndike who remained a friend. During the war Peggy travelled the world with ENSA companies both as a solo artist and in plays appearing with such people as Vera Lynne George Formby Gracie Fields and many others. After the war she became a founder member of an Arts Council company in the West Country, the company that fostered the talents of Joan Plowright, Edgar Wreford, Charles Jarrott, Malcolm Pride and others. She was invited to appear in a "Scrapbrook" programme for the BBC with Charles Cochran who had known her when she was a child actress dancing before visiting VIPs including most of the crowned heads of Europe. This broadcast led her to being cast in the "Gilbert and Sullivan" series and from that to two years with the BBC. Eventually Peggy decided to concentrate on teaching. She returned to the Guildhall School where she gained her Ministry of Education qualification. She was invited to become an examiner and then a professor of drama. In 1956 she founded the Ridley Studios named after a Guildhall professor who had been such an influence on her life and two years later the Ridley Arts Educational School. She was honoured in 1973 by being made a Fellow of the Guildhall. It is as a member of the Guild of Adjudicators that Peggy is taking part in the Huntingdon Festival which opened at the Commemoration Hall in the town yesterday (Wednesday). There are still tickets left for tonight's and tomorrow's performances which start at 730pm. They cost £1.50 and can be bought at the door. Seven groups are taking part in the festival of one act plays all competing for the best one act play shield and best actor and actress trophies."

• 12 In the Bucks Herald (in south-east England), three photos of Peggy Batchelor with the text: "Thrills on and off the stage. The real life of actress Peggy Batchelor has been more eventful than that of the characters portrayed in her theatrical roles. She survived a wartime torpedo strike in the Med and being mauled by a tiger to be reunited with the RAF officer parted from her 40 years earlier by war. She tells ALEC BROWN of her adventures. FOR Peggy Batchelor the thrill of working alongside stars on stage, radio and television could only be surpassed by teaching. But it is her acting career, from entertaining the troops during the war to Shakespeare plays and a television soap opera, that has given her great richness of experience to draw on. Peggy, of Mill Mead, Wendover, has spent more than 20 years teaching drama skills. She set up and ran the Ridley Arts Educational School in Leighon-Sea, Essex, and now teaches at the Arts Educational School, Tring, and privately. She also adjudicates for exams, lectures and gives recitals throughout Britain, Ireland and in Hong Kong. Her career began as a schoolgirl in Leigh-on-Sea when she joined an amateur dramatic society. As a teenager she trained at the Guildhall School of Drama, London, where she is now an examiner. World War Two interrupted her studies and she joined ENSA — the Entertainments National Services Association. It was then she starred alongside big names like Vera Lynn, Gracie Fields, George Formby, and David Nixon, who later became famous as a television magician. “Vera Lynn was fantastic,” said Peggy. She would go off in a jeep and wherever there were a few men, she would just stop and sing to them. “Some of the ENSA artists were just so brave and really great people. You were all the same — nobody was treated as a star, you all worked together.” After touring hospitals in Britain, Peggy went to West Africa and was on her way to Egypt with ENSA when their boat was torpedoed in the Mediterranean Sea. They spent seven hours in a lifeboat before being picked up. “Between all the work and sometimes rather tragic and uncomfortable situations there were also all these great maments of seeing wonderful places and meeting interesting people,” said Peggy. Then she joined a company which toured India, entertaining troops who were stopping the Japanese advance. She got to know the director of the Tatanagor Steelworks and his two pet tigers. She had loved the animals from childhood and often played with the two pets. But one day one of the tigers turned on her and mauled her. in carbolic and a stay in hospital luckily left her just with scars. But she still loves tigers. In hospital she met an RAF officer in the Medical Corps, who comforted her when she was having terrible nightmares. They formed a close bond but were separated by the war. Then, in 1984, Arthur, by then an Air Commodore, traced Peggy after his wife had died. “We knew it was love and we married,” said Peggy. After the war, she had joined a stage company formed from the ranks of the RAF, which included Bob Monkhouse. Peggy left them to join the West of England Theatre Company, whose president was J.B. Priestley. He picked her for the lead in his play She Came to the City. They also performed Shakespeare, Chekov and Noel Coward plays. In the 1950s she worked for BBC Radio in programmes like Dick Barton and Mrs Dale’s Diary, and on stage as part of a comic double act with Benny Hill. There were also parts at the Savoy Theatre, and Victorian variety shows at the Players Theatre alongside budding thespians like Clive Dunn and Hattie Jacques. In the 1960s she trained as a teacher and set up the Ridley School, which she fitted in with theatre tours and television work, including a part in Emergency Ward 10. Her last tour before giving up to concentrate on teaching was with Shelagh Delaney’s A Taste of Honey. Peggy now has an extensive his! of posts, including member of the Guild of Drama Adjudicators, vicechairman of the Society of Teachers of Speech and Drama and vice president of Aylesbury Arts Festival. As a member of the British Federation of Music Festivals, she met the Queen last summer at the federation’s 70th anniversary celebrations. She feels teaching is the most rewarding part of her career. “I feel communicating is so terribly important, and when you can see somebody blossom and gain confidence, it is so satisfying.” But she has not forgotten her past: “It's lovely going on stage and getting applause at the end. Once on stage, you forget yourself completely. I loved it.”

• 13 In the Belfast Telegraph (in Ireland), with a photo of Peggy Batchelor with two of the competitors from the sonnet recital class: "Festival talent is praised by actress. NOEL COWARD, Vera Lynn. George Formby, Gracie Fields are among the greats with whom Peggy Batchelor has worked. And this week the English actress is judging at Belfast Musical Festival. Yesterday she began hearing the "small fry" - the young children's verse-speaking - and was impressed. "The standards here are always high because of the excellent teaching. I've been a regular visitor in the past to the Belfast Festival and never have any besitation in visiting Northern Ireland," she said. Peggy has led an eventful life and one of the famous stories about her concerns Noel Coward. When she acted in India some years ago, she was mauled by a tiger, but soon recovered. Coward heard about it and said to her: "Not during the performance, my dear?" Peggy toured with ENSA during the Second World War, but later she turned to teaching and became a professor of drama at the Guildhall School. She pays tribute to the advice of Dame Sybil Thorndike at the school. Dame Sybil, she said, had remained a lifelong friend ever since. The English actress was honoured in 1973, when she was made a Fellow of Guildhall, a distinction shared with such artists as Andre Previn. Dame Janet Baker and Dame Peggy Ashcroft."

• 26 In The Stage, "'21-Not Out' Southend TWENTY-ONE years ago actress and teacher Peggy Batchelor started Ridley Schools and Studios, now the leading private-enterprise school and dramatic academy in Essex. It was fitting to mark the occasion with a new revue, that genuinely reviewed the problems, like expan sion. and the triumphs, like playing in Berlin, and recording "Oliver" for an American record company. In her brief speech, she forecast the new Ridley Arts Club as the latest addition. The revue, "21 Not Out", at the Cliffs Pavilion, Southend, was cle verly devised by Dennis Boxley and directed by Peggy Batchelor and the faculty, to tell the story, give scope to fifty adults and twenty children, and cover drama, music, mime, opera and choral speaking. Essen tially modern, the direction and choreography were inventive, vibrant and fluent. Among those outstanding were Roland Darvell, Paul Clark and Michael Small. J.K.M."

• 27 is accessible online.

RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Keep: I agree with RebeccaGreen that the references she found meet at least WP:NBASIC. I found her first two references in newspapers.com: 1, 2. Nnev66 (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Charlotte Barker

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This has existed for 18 years without a single source which is actually about the actor, and I can't find any sources that are actually about her, as opposed to her being mentioned in articles about her father. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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• OK to delete (and recommend deletion rather than redirect, as there are other people with the same name who may be more notable). There actually are more negative reviews of the play her father wrote for her, like "Daddy's girl could do without his help" in The Financial Times. But these are arguably not really about her (the FT review says things like "on this terrain it is hard to judge how good an actress she is"), and otherwise she is mentioned in passing in her father's obituaries and articles about her fugitive brother facing child porn charges. Does not meet WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - no major roles, nor even supporting roles. Very minor roles in one well-reviewed film and a few guest spots on TV. Bearian (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment The article says "As an actress she worked mostly in theatre", but gives no details, apart from the play Mum. It's not hard to find reviews of her stage work in digitised newspapers - I will add info and references and then consider whether she meets WP:BIO or WP:BASIC. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Sometimes it's kinder to delete. But I will bite and expand the article and let everyone else decide. (Perhaps there are 5k pageviews in the last month for a reason.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Cielquiparle There is a TikTok "influencer" with the same name. Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Right. Plus everyone else with the same name, like the Director of Film Restoration at Paramount Pictures. Cielquiparle (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep Two of us have now added information and sources to this article, which demonstrates that she does meet WP:GNG. There are plenty of reviews of her stage appearances, with significant, positive mentions about her ability and performances. She had major roles in Stepping Out in the West End and Nice Girls in Newcastle, and in several other professional performances of notable plays in Derby, Newcastle, Chester, etc, for which she received very positive reviews (I have not included quotes about all her performances here). There are articles about her (eg here and here) - they do mention her father, but they are about her, not him. No, she did not star in films or TV shows, but WP:NACTOR specifically states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions;" (my emphasis). RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep - It appears there is sufficient sourcing showing in the footnotes to get this subject over the GNG hurdle. Carrite (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 01:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Mwijaku

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After observing the article being too promotional (still is), I moved the it back to draft space hoping for improvement that would follow a regular review at AFC but the original editor moved it back direct to the mainspace also nowhere in the references show subject's (important claims) like date of birth or number of children they have, where did the editor get them? That's WP: PROMOTIONAL, WP:COIEDIT and tries to use wikipedia as WP:SOAPBOX.

No any notable work listed show subject's importance, just a bunch of gossip blogs. Just a reminder, Misplaced Pages isn't a gossip blog/newspaper WP:NOTGOSSIP.

Refs: Only The Citizen is a reliable source, the rest are blogs that cannot be trusted on WP:BLP. ANU 01:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - No indication of notability. --John B123 (talk) 20:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

As the editor of this article, I have made improvements by adding additional information from sources that I believe are credible. Please review it to see if it is satisfactory and help me by correcting any mistakes. 3L3V8D (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: speaking your mind on social media isn't notable, nearly everyone does it these days. If we had better information on the acting career, could perhaps be notable. I don't see this either, so we don't have notability. I can't find any kind of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 14:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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