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== November 20 == == Sections ==
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== January 17 ==
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==== RD: Mike Nichols==== ==== RD: Denis Law ====
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| article = Mike Nichols | article = Denis Law
| image = | recent deaths = yes
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| recent deaths = Y
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator = Jmorrison230582 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nominator = The Rambling Man<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = Record goalscorer for ] and the ] national team, ] winner (1964).
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| sign = ] (]) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nom cmt = Oscar winning director.
| sign = ] (]) 12:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' unless and until the article is updated with information about his death. We currently only have a death date in the parenthetical after his name at the start, and zero words of prose about the death itself (as of when I am writing this). Otherwise, the article, while it could use a few more refs here and there, is of acceptable quality for the main page, and Nichols is certainly a significant figure. If there is appropriate prose added at any time, disregard this oppose and consider it a support. --]''''']''''' 12:31, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
**There is (and was) a sentence in ]. &mdash;] 13:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
**Yep, once again you clearly didn't look. It wasn't perfect, but it was there. Perhaps you should take a break from ITN Jayron? ] (]) 18:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support when updated''' "Nichols was one of a small group of people who have won an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, and Tony Award. His other honors included the Lincoln Center Gala Tribute in 1999, the National Medal of Arts in 2001, the Kennedy Center Honors in 2003 and the AFI Life Achievement Award in 2010." That's RD#2 to me. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 16:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support pending Article Improvement''' - Needs many more inline cites, and some of the mid-sections could use some de-proseline improvement. Definitely qualifies as RD for importance. --] (]) 16:04, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' highly influential and top of his field in standup, comedy writing, and as a movie director. A shoe in. ] (]) 18:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "God bless you, please ]." ] (]) 18:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' posting to RD immediately. Deceased was highly notable and article is in acceptable condition for RD. As a sidenote, the personal comments on this page have to cease. ] (]) 18:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*:I assume you're talking about me? Well in that case do something about it, stop using your "position" as a weapon. Pathetic. (And what a surprise, NYB turns up to post yet another dead American...) ] (]) 18:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*:The article needs some more inline cites. The proseline stuff, I can accept for posting, but there's paragraphs that lack any citation and that's an issue.--] (]) 18:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*::No, Brad has said post it immediately. Do not disobey. ] (]) 18:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


== November 19 == ==== RD: Joan Plowright ====
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| recent deaths = yes
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| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Wizzito <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] &#124; ] 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Not ready'''. It'd be nice to see her there, but a slew of her acting credits aren't referenced. ] (]) 19:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 16 ==
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====(Removed) California fires to ongoing====
====Rampal====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Rampal | article = January 2025 Southern California wildfires<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article --> | image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| image =
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| blurb = Indian religious leader ''']''' is arrested after thousands of police clash with his supporters. Six dead bodies were found in his compound.
| ongoing = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| recent deaths =
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = Indian religious leader ''']''' and at least 492 followers are arrested as a police raid on his ] leaves 6 people dead.
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = ,
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Stephen <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = I've added fires to ongoing as they were pushed off by David Lynch. Discuss whether that's appropriate below.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ]] 22:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Return, pull Chad''' - Fires still ongoing(not fully contained). Chad attack seems to have gotten one burst of coverage a week ago and barely any after that. ] (]) 23:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Do you understand that the fires have been moved to the ongoing section? ]] 23:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support/concur''' appropriate addition. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Comment''' Could the wildfires be moved to Ongoing? --] (]) 00:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] they already have. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 00:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the fires may be ongoing but the rate of destruction has significantly flattened out as well as deaths. There may be potential fir a damaging flare up but we're on the backend of that story, which doesn't make it great for the ongoing line, particularly given what else is in ongoing. ] (]) 00:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Pull from ongoing''' No fire weather days in the forecast for southern California, and everything that would be burned has been. Containment takes a while, but fires burn through their fuel, and most of these fire's fuel is gone, and you can expect very little updates from here except for records to be broken and various celebrities revealing their homes have / have not been destroyed by the fires. ] (]) 00:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. ] (]) 01:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Pull/Support'''. I'm favorable to the fires still being in Ongoing, but, there is nowhere near a consensus for such placement as of right now. ] (]) 02:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. This item pales in comparaison with the other Ongoing items in terms of duration and magnitude of death toll. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' If you didn't like the fire pushed off by David Lynch, then you should have added South Korean Crisis to ongoing, pull Yoon's arrest and add the fire back. The fire is not significant enough to be ongoing. ] (]) 04:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It has nothing to do with whether I like or dislike anything. If I added anything to ongoing I'd still have the courtesy of asking here. You need to learn a little more about how ITN works. ]] 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::ITN or not, the ] they suggested wouldn't fly very well. —] (]) 05:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Removed''' ]] 04:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Connection''' Lynch died from breathing difficulty after being evacuated from his home on ]. So, the fire might be mentioned in his blurb. ]🐉(]) 09:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I think his importance/great figure-ness aspect, and that he was already of old age, far outweighs the means of his death, and that detail would hurt the concisness of the blurb. (Whereas, to use the case of Kobe Bryant's death in the helicopter crash, that death was completely unexpected and so both aspects (the crash and his status as an NBA player) likely weighed equally. ] (]) 14:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

====New Glenn launch====
{{ITN candidate
| article = New Glenn
| blurb = ]'s ''']''' rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = 109.166.233.124
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| nominator = Gadfium <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nom cmt = Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few ]s.
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| sign = ] (]) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
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| sign = -<span style="font-family:cursive; color:grey;">]</span> 05:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:@] Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. ]] 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|SpectralIon}} I took care of fixing the nom. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] Alright, then I would say '''Support on Notability''' since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --]] 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle, weak support on quality'''. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. ] ] 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Nitpick, but there was no payload deployment. The payload stayed attached to the upper stage. ] (]) 02:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' and '''support on notability.''' There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --] <small>(])</small> 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. Quality is adequate ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Comment''' should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that '''soft support''' as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. ]] 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' References need some tidying up, but the article is well cited. A police action resulting in 492 arrests and 6 deaths is certainly notable, especially if, as suggests, 15,000 people were involved. I've suggested an alt-blurb - if it's too long, the number of other arrests can be removed. ] 13:24, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - a huge advance given how large this rocket is, and particularly the payload volume. Of particular note with this (first) launch is that it is orbital - something that Starship is yet to achieve. Only SLS can currently put a larger payload into orbit.(Falcon Heavy is relatively similar on mass, but is severely constrained on payload volume in comparison. ] (]) 21:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
** Just as a note: the way I read the articles, the six deaths were ''not'' caused by the police action, but appeared to have been deaths prior to the arrest and the bodies were discovered in the police action; the altblurb would be inappropriate to use due to this. But that might be an issue of news clarity. --] (]) 18:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' We generally do not post arrests, only convictions. --] (]) 16:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
::This non-posting of arrests is not policy, nor does NPOV require we not mention arrests in articles, and with an undisputed six deaths and almost 500 arrests with thousands involved the story stands on its own. ] (]) 18:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:::It is by no means a policy, I agree, but it is also standard practice that if we are talking about a person(s) charged for a crime, the ITN post is ''nearly'' always at sentencing/conviction. Part of this is a very weak BLP argument (but by no means required by BLP policy): they are only a suspect in the crime, they have not yet been convicted so rushing to post the arrest could be seen as prejudging them in WP's voice, which we should avoid. --] (]) 18:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' there's no clear indication what any of this is about. ] (]) 18:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' it's worth noting, for the fiftieth time or so, that we have no "policy" governing ITN, there are very few ] on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 18:44, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


*'''Support''' - Major development in spaceflight. Competitor of Starship & SLS. Successful orbital insertion, RIP stage 1. ] (]) 22:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
== November 18 ==
*'''Oppose''' - Not a major development in spaceflight. Not a competitor to Starship or SLS either in size or capability. The rocket is a heavy launcher not a super heavy launcher. There are already partially reusable rockets. This is another partially reusable rocket, but it didn't succeed its landing so its not partially reusable yet. Also there's no page dedicated to the launch. Also the nominator's comments are factually incorrect. ULA's Vulcan rocket already reached orbit and that is also a methalox rocket. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
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::It's a huge development, ]. How many Starship ITNs have been posted, and the damn thing hasn't even achieved orbit yet. And why claim it's not a competitor to Starship and SLS? The turnaround on an SLS launch, even years from now, is measured in years. New Glenn is measured in weeks, with several more launches scheduled this year - the next one to the moon. And with the massive fairing size, and the lack of obstructions in the fairing compared to Starship, this can launch stuff that Starship can't. Not to mention Starship hasn't actually achieved orbit yet - so yes, this is ahead of Starship. ] (]) 17:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''. Failing to see what's particularly revolutionary about this launch. Slightly bigger, slightly more reusable, slightly different fuel. Ho hum, we don't need to post every incremental change in rocket technology. ] (]) 02:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability'''. We posted milestones for both ] and ], and we do so for new public-funded (i.e. government made) rockets. There is absolutely no reason to do the same here. Spaceflight is not yet so "mainstream" that new entrants are not "in the news" when they meet milestones such as first orbital launch. I defer to others on article quality and whether it's improved enough to post at this time. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 02:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Interesting news... However, i feel that it falls short of being ITN. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per Nfitz, nom and The Kip. ] (]) 05:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There seems to have a lot of space news lately including a spacewalk, a double lunar launch, a starship launch, a multiple satellite launch by China and so on. This event doesn't seem to stand out. ]🐉(]) 09:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' on notability, not apparent that this is a major development of general interest ] (]) 14:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' on notability per DarkSide830, and only a single prose update. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 15:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD/Blurb: David Lynch ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = David Lynch
| image = File:David Lynch at the 1990 Emmy Awards.jpg
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Jon698 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| blurb = American filmmaker ] dies at the age of 78.
| updaters = Thriley
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Comment''' Lynch is the type of person that comes to mind a likely to have a blurb as a major figure in filmmaking, but the doesn't not have legacy section or equivalent, yet, to support this. If that was added I'd support a urb on all other quality aspects (which appear close) ] (]) 18:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' The death of a film-maker with "the most important film-maker of the current era" in his lede deserves a blurb on the main page. ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 18:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*: I added a blurb. ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 19:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is in excellent shape ] (]) 18:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' No notable CN tags or uncited statements, and the article is of excellent quality. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I just created ]. His influence is so massive that an article on his impact is definitely necessary. ] (]) 19:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**For timing of posting here, I'd recommend building out two or three good paragraphs on the bio article and worry about expanding later.<span id="Masem:1737055002605:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support RD'''. Article is in great shape. Sooner posted the better. ] (]) 19:15, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Even for the more conservative death-as-blurb people, the standard is typically held as being "top of their field" - in 2007, ''The Guardian'' literally declared him "the most important filmmaker of the current era." Monumental impact on the world of film and more than deserving of a blurb. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support Blurb''' Article is in good shape, and Lynch is a world wide household name among anyone with more than a passing interest in cinema. ] (]) 19:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' and oppose blurb - dont see the breadth and depth of coverage as meriting a blurb. ''']''' - 19:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Extremely influential filmmaker who deserves a blurb, although a section explaining his impact would help. Found it interesting that ] by the ] - as far as I know, only a few filmmakers have such influence that their names become adjectives in the English language, including , , , and . ] (]) 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' was one of the more famous filmmakers of the modern era. ]] 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Top of the field. One criterion for blurb is the existence of works about person. There is film ]. Has Academy Award, won at Cannes. ] (]) 20:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' If posted as a blurb and using the current picture, please make sure it is captioned as in 1990. ] (]) 20:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' manner and direct impact of death not notable ] (]) 20:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:See Major figures in Blurbs for recendt deaths section. Manner of death is for another type of blurb. ] (]) 20:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Influential and acclaimed filmmaker, clearly meets the "transformative figure in their field" standard. --] (]) 20:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support blurb''' I guess the triage would read something like: Would we blurb if this were Spielberg? Yes. Would we blurb if this were Lucas? Probably. Would we blurb if this is Lynch? Depends how many art housey adjudicators there are on Misplaced Pages that day. ] (]) 20:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' - large impact on filmmaking. ] (]) 20:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Twin Peaks alone had a ], and combined with everything else? He's definitely important enough. ] (]) 21:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''' Top of his field and article in good shape. Definitely influential filmmaker. ] (]) 21:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can we somehow put featured list of his Awards in the blurb? Saying that he received honorary Oscar, for instance. ] (]) 21:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**That gets into a bit too much editorializing, as as well as simply having numerous awards is not a reason to post (compare with Jimmy Carter and the frequent mentions of his Nobel peace prize in the news headlines as a case where that is more appropriate)<span id="Masem:1737069615995:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 23:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Posted''', consensus is for a blurb. ]] 22:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*I know I'm late, but just to add on to everybody, '''support blurb'''. I promise that this support has nothing to do with the fact that ] ranks among my top 10 favorite movies of all time (though it doesn't hurt, either). ] ] 07:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' Top of his field - there are <5 other directors that we would probably blurb (Spielberg, Scorcese, Coppola and Herzog?). ] 08:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Black Kite}} James Cameron. We might also blurb Oliver Stone, Christopher Nolan, Tim Burton, George Lucas, and a few others I can't name off the top of my head. ] ] 11:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article got over a million views on the news. ]🐉(]) 09:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' as he was truly a great and influential director.--] (]) 09:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' I know I'm just preaching to the choir at this point as there's overwhelming support (as there should be), but I felt compelled to pile on. Few artists will ever have the high honor of having their own name be synonymous with a unique style. The influence his works had on film (and television in the case of Twin Peaks) cannot be overstated. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 11:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Bob Uecker ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Bob Uecker
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Weak support''': Article is mostly fine but is missing a few inline citations. ''']<sub>]</sub>''' 16:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Still working to expand and source between meetings today. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 17:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - with Muboshgu's work, the article looks solid. There's an intriguing dark horse argument for a blurb here, as Uecker reached the pinnacle of his profession (radio baseball broadcasting, although he broke outside that on numerous occasions). That said, I'm not confident it's enough. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 23:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**Limit g the profession to "baseball radio broadcasting" is far too narrow, I would expect that it would be at least sportscasters or even journalism, and he definitely is not a major figure. It's very easy to think a local beloved personality (here for Milkwalkie as well as in baseball) may be a great figure but we should think at the scope of worldwide aspects of said field.<span id="Masem:1737074273965:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Posted'''—] (]) 05:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 15 ==
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==== RD: Ken Takakura ====
==== RD: Tommy Brown (baseball) ====
{{ITN candidate
{{ITN candidate
| article = Ken Takakura
| article = Tommy Brown (baseball)
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image =
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| sources = , , ,
| nominator = Ad Orientem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Youngest position player in MLB history at 16. Article has referencing issues.
| sign = ] (]) 22:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose on quality''' - several CNs. ] (]) 22:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' "Ball player" is very much a US-centric label. I'm a non-American who played and sill loves baseball, but I would never call anyone a ball player. ] (]) 22:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:In addition, it could easily be confused with "baller" which is an american-centric term for "basketball player". Not to mention it says "ball payer" right now in the ITNC. ] (]) 22:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::Fixed, article title is at (baseball). ] (]) 23:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Khaatir
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| creator = Khaatir
| nominator = Tocino <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = A titan in Japanese cinema, who was known for his "tough guy" roles usually involving cops or ]. Nicknamed the "Japanese Clint Eastwood".
| sign = --] 10:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support'''. Seems to be important to Japanese cinema. ] (]) 11:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC) An Indian Islamic scholar, writer, and the secretary of ] at the time of his death. ] (]) 09:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Well cited and long enough, with good quality holding this up for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' pending article improvements. Not sure on the "tone" maintenance tag, but it is begging for inline citations, which I believe these obits will help with. RD is appropriate for importance. ("Clint Eastwood of Japanese cinema" from the BBC is pretty telling). --] (]) 16:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Not sure if anyone else here knows Japanese, but the Japanese article seems to be quite filled out (https://ja.wikipedia.org/%E9%AB%98%E5%80%89%E5%81%A5), and may offer ideas as to content that could be added. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 16:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for a "titan", the article is woeful, under-referenced and a borderline stub. Will definitely reconsider if the stub is fleshed out and referenced. ] (]) 17:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
**For a "''Japanese'' titan", it's understandable that its ''English'' article is this bad. At ~2k characters, this is good enough for a DYK, if it was expanded to this state yesterday, so calling it a "stub" is quite stretching it. –''']]]''' 17:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
***And excluding the list of "partial filmography"? Not good enough. Badly referenced stub is quite correct. ] (]) 17:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
****FWIW, I only included the "Life and career" section and excluded the lead and lists, and included things such as "". Would you believe that it's longer than ]'s "Career" section, which isn't apparently a stub? Badly-referenced, yes; stub, I don't think so. –''']]]''' 18:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*****Well, as per normal, you can continue to discuss these things until you get the last word, or you can work on improving them or you can do nothing. ] (]) 18:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
******Gah. I lost on the over/under on when you'd bring up "improving them or you can do nothing" line. –''']]]''' 18:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*******I'll take that as you attempt at the last word followed by a "do nothing" approach, like normal then. Bravo! ] (]) 18:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
********Seriously, now. This guy's an admin? Really? Hey at least I'm <s>1/1 (100%!)</s> 1/2 (50%) this year in ITN/C nominations and updated both myself lol. But that's ITNR so I dunno if that counts. –''']]]''' 18:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*********Seriously, now. This guy's an "editor"? Really? ] (]) 18:47, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
**********Hey, if ITN posts is the sole metric of being an editor, then I'm not one. Too bad I'm not into cricket/spacecraft/elections in Europe/Lionel Messi/dead white dudes. –''']]]''' 18:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
***********] ] (]) 18:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*<del>Oppose</del> for now. The article needs a fuller lead, a better update, many citations (I labelled them individually, and removed the page tag, but it should still be considered as if page tagged) and I wonder, would anyone ever call Clint Eastwood, also a director and producer, the Ken Takakura of America? ] (]) 18:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
:::The article still has a totally unreferenced awards section, and two redlink appearances without citations crediting him. I had placed tags yesterday, but someone simply removed them. In any case, the article is not ready as is. ] (]) 18:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the refs have been quite significantly improved. I'd still like a bigger lead, but it's suitable. ] (]) 22:55, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' - article is rather short, but adequate. Thanks to all who worked on improving it. --] (]) 16:38, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


==== RD: Stephanie Aeffner ====
==== ] ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2014 Jerusalem synagogue attack | article = Stephanie Aeffner<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| blurb = Four ]s, three American and one British, ''']''' by two Palestinian men with meat cleavers, in the deadliest attack in ] since 2008.
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| altblurb = Four ]s, three American and one British, ''']''' by two Palestinian men, who were shot dead by police, in ].<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| sources =
| nominator = CrunchySkies | nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| ITNR = no
| nom cmt = German Member of Parliament<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| nom cmt = Dominating news cycles today worldwide. This particularly gruesome attack is the deadliest to happen in Jerusalem for a while, and getting a lot of international response.
| sign = --→]</span> ❅ <span style="font-size:80%"><sub>« ] ± ] »</sub></span> 18:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | sign = ''']''' (]) 07:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support''' 3449 characters (537 words) "readable prose size" and sourced. ] (]) 09:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*I'm not yet sure if I support this, but I've suggested an altblurb to remove the reference to the weapons(irrelevant to the blurb) and the date of the previous attack(not really that long a time, especially in the middle east). Also added that the suspects were shot dead. ] (]) 18:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Sourcing is good and just long enough <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 13:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Lead too short.—] (]) 05:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Done}} I've added a sentence. ] (]) 13:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*None of the sources states that she died on 15 January; both simply say that she died. The German article, which is almost identical to the English translation, says that she died "on or before 15 January". ''']]''' 13:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:She died on 15 January 2025. I've added a source. ] (]) 14:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Diane Langton ====
*'''Support''' — Horrific, and likely to spawn more violent actions from both sides, one expects. Most major with this story on Nov. 18. ] (]) 18:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = Diane Langton <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Meena <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Meena<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = English actress, singer and dancer
| sign = – ] • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
}}


==== RD: Linda Nolan ====
*'''Weak oppose''' - not surprising that this kind of activity is taking place in the Middle East, we haven't posted the multiple beheadings of Westerners (and Syrians) and this, while depressing, is just more of the same. Plus, the article, once the hysterical "reaction" section is removed, is nothing but a couple of sentences of fact. It's also telling that I can '''guarantee''' we'll post this, but when 15 Indian women are killed in a day by a negligent doctor with dozens more critically ill, we just let it slide. ] (]) 18:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
*'''Weak oppose'''. I have to come down on the oppose side for now; I think if this didn't involve foreigners(to Israel) it wouldn't be getting as much attention. Maybe if this has staying power as a story, or develops into a larger one(military response, etc.) it might be worth posting then. ] (]) 18:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| article = Linda Nolan <!-- Do not wikilink -->
*'''Weak oppose'''. I have to agree with TRM that there's a lot of rhetoric in the reporting here, and when you get to the basic situation, two men killed 4 others and wounded several in an area of the world already strife with violence. If this leads to something larger, that might be newsworthy but this seems more sensationalism. --] (]) 18:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
*'''Oppose'''. Unfortunately the level of inter-religious violence in the Middle East has risen so dramatically that the attempted genocide of the ] was not posted to ITN. This event is about 1/100 or 1/1000 times less important. <font face="Cambria">] (])</font> 19:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
*"Massacre" is a loaded term and generally not NPOV. I have restored the article to its original title: "2014 Jerusalem synagogue attack". Neutral on posting the attack at this time, but certainly opposed to any use of the term massacre to describe it. --] (]) 19:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
*:The article has inappropriately been moved back. I have tagged it is being in a neutrality dispute and '''oppose''' its posting at this time as a result. --] (]) 21:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| nominator = Meena <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*::Incidentally, neutral input on the title would be greatly appreciated. --] (]) 22:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| updaters = Meena<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
*'''Support'''. Horrifying attack making headlines in international newspapers. -- ] (]) 20:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Irish singer and television personality
*'''Support''' assuming article is improved. Perpetrators were cousins of noted militant recently released from jail, attack was within place of worship, has garnered reactions from many world leaders. ] (]) 20:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
| sign = – ] • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we should resist posting sensationalistic news, especially when the purpose of the attack is to generate news coverage. Worse things happen frequently as others have noted and Middle Eastern violence is common, regretfully. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' I agree with TRM and Masem. ] (]) 22:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. It is clear from the Israeli and the international reaction that the synagogue attack is a game-changer for the situation in Jerusalem and Israel, and a significant escalation of the conflict will follow. In fact, it may be appropriate to create a special sticky for the ongoing events there. ] (]) 14:32, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - definite game changer. and it should be posted based on the fact that it is international news and is important both for the region and other countries.--] (]) 14:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This is more likely to have an effect on international relations than all the bus and train crashes that are featured in ITN. ] <small>(])</small> 23:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - It's a gruesome terrorist attack in religious site on religious leaders. Victims from different nations, making it a news of international concern --] (]) 06:09, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Ready?''' Is the orange title dispute tag a hindrance to posting this story? If so, an admin could close the RfC, given the current lopsided majority of opinion. If not, this should be posted immediately, since it is still a subject of international comment and interest. ] (]) 18:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' the "support" comes from the idea that this is somehow more significant than all the other atrocities currently circulating around the Middle East. There's not a sniff of the beheading of Kassig, for example (nor the other Westerners or Syrians). This minor blip is nothing more than that. Some of the commentators have claimed this to be a "game changer". Where is the evidence of this? What has "changed"? Minor attacks on minority believers occur every single day. In Israel or Gaza, this happens a LOT. ] (]) 18:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


== November 17 == ==== RD: Jack Hoffman ====
{{ITN candidate
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| article = Jack Hoffman
{|{{Portal:Current events/2014 November 17}}
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Dmartin969 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Article is in good shape. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' - article looks good <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 13:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

==== Israel-Hamas ceasefire ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = A ''']''' is reached to halt the ]
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] and ] agree to a ''']''' to end their 15 months of conflict.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Nice4What <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

:'''Strong support on notability''' About time. ] (]) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'll also add '''oppose on quality''' for now - article is insufficiently updated as it stands (given the news broke minutes ago). ] (]) 17:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::Added altblurb. ] (]) 17:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{u|Departure–}} are you sure this agreement is to "end" the war or merely to "halt" it? ''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::::It won't end the war necessarily, but it'll end the 15 months of conflict (since 7 October, anyway). ] (]) 17:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Right, so the word "end" might not be appropriate.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 18:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Weak support on article quality, support on notability''' - A ceasefire agreement in what is probably the largest current geopolitical conflict currently ongoing is important stuff. Quality seems OK, just needs to be updated. ] (]) 17:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::I believe you've mixed up your votes, @] <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span>]<span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Oops ] (]) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::::changed :) ] (]) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support on notability''' for obvious reasons, but '''weak oppose on quality''' as the article needs to be updated</s>. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Prefer the original blurb over ALT1 as well, given there were more parties to the deal than just Israel and Hamas + there's (unfortunately) no guarantee this permanently ends the war. Do feel the hostage release should be somehow noted, though. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Temporarily changing to '''Wait''' per Modest Genius - <s>neither Israel, nor Hamas, nor any of the mediators have formally announced the deal yet. Let's pump the brakes until that happens</s>. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:The USA’s now confirmed the deal, but I’m remaining at wait until it formally goes into effect ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 20:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to get the article(s) in shape. Obviously this is a major development and I '''support''' on notability, but it was <s>announced</s> leaked literally a few minutes ago. We now have separate articles on ] (which is still presented as only a proposal) and ], which should be the bold link but focuses on the hostage exchange rather than the ceasefire and needs to include some reaction. It should probably also be renamed. ITN should let that article settle down a bit rather than rushing to post - we're not a news ticker. ] ] 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Correction: after reading more of the media reports, it appears the existence of a deal has been leaked to the press and posted on social media, but it hasn't been officially announced by either Israel or Hamas and the terms of the deal remain opaque. That's even more reason to wait. ] ] 17:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Another update: it has now been announced that the ceasefire will begin on 19 Jan. So we should '''wait''' until then to post, which also gives time for the articles to be sorted out. ] ] 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. <span class="nowrap">] (]) <small>(please ] me on reply)</small></span> 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:According to the Wall Street Journal, this is an "agreement to the outline" of the deal that was leaked. There will be 24-48 hours before it is finalized. It's major news, but an alternative blurb with attribution is necessary. <span class="nowrap">] (]) <small>(please ] me on reply)</small></span> 17:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' on notability, noting that yet another article was created at ], meaning a merge should definitely be considered. ] (] · ]) 17:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' All reports i see include "according to ppl familiar with the matter", so this is not confirmed yet. ] (]) 17:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
**White House is now confirming but the article should fully reflect all details of the ceasefire <span id="Masem:1736969816992:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
:'''Wait''' Cannot jump the gun here, the article as of now begins with "is a proposed" i.e. not official and not announced by either party. A prisoner exchange is apparently official but the significance lies in the broader ceasefire agreement not the exchange itself. We can and should wait till this is official. ] (]) 17:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Wait''', but if nothing changes for one hour '''promote this quickly'''. ''']]''' 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - We aren't a news ticker. No need to keep trying to throw breaking news up on the main page as fast as possible. We should be waiting for more developments to come out. <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 18:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:.....this is a section called In The News ] (]) 19:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::For featuring quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to perform the functions of a newspaper. Quality can't be there until more terms of the ceasefire are known. ] (]) 20:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::And now it looks like Israel and Hamas are quarreling over the final details of the ceasefire, holding up its approval. ITN is here to highlight quality articles about current events. No article can be of main page quality if it’s an hour old - and people saying things like “post this breaking story to the main page immediately” don’t seem to understand that. <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 11:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' declaring a ceasefire and holding a successful ceasefire are two very different things; they can announce a ceasefire multiple times in various ways and combinations and agree on anything they like, but it will be meaningless until the ceasefire agreement actually results in one; given how few ceasefires hold and how volatile this particular situation is, this isn't much more than pure politics at the moment. ] (]) 19:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:]. We can’t presume ourselves that the ceasefire will or won’t hold. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I do think there's a case for waiting until the ceasefire enters into effect. ] ] 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@] I fully agree, hence why I struck my initial vote and changed to Wait - I’m just saying that I think it’s CRYSTAL to oppose posting it because it ''might'' not hold once in effect. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 20:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Agreed. ] ] 20:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait, then support upon confirmation of the agreement by Israel''' If signed by both sides, this is monumental. Responding to {{u|Abcmaxx}}, only the signing of an agreement itself, not it celebrating its future hypothetical six month or one year anniversary, is the type of thing we can post at ITN. We don't post anniversaries. This ceasefire agreement is also the first time Israel has acceded to a mass release of Palestinian prisoners and the first time they have agreed to a path towards a ''permanent'' end to the current war. That is extremely notable, even if it ends up dissolving after a few weeks. WP:CRYSTAL also applies here - political theorizations that this is doomed to fail because within x y or z number of days do not negate notability. ]]] ] 19:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I understand the ] arguments however politicians promise lots of things all the time but very rarely deliver. We should have some proof that this ceasefire agreement is actually meaningful in some other way than some grand words and crossed fingers. ] (]) 19:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Grand words and crossed fingers are what goes in ITN. doesn't matter if somehow it fails.
*::See, the reason we nominate this for ITN because it is breaking news. Not because its a landmark, commitment to peace, etc. ] (]) 08:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait/Support''' for the deal going into effect. ] (]) 19:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' notable and major event
:] (]) 20:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Wait''' for the ceasefire to take effect. ] 20:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' They reached a ceasefire, and there’s no reason to wait. We should post a blurb on this and remove it from ongoing. If one of the parties breaks the ceasefire and continues with military operations, that’d be a separate story to post.--] (]) 20:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Strongly oppose''' removing this from ongoing. The first phase, which has been agreed to, covers only . The negotiation of a permanent ceasefire has not yet happened.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 21:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' but make it only about the hostage exchange until the ceasefire is official ] (]) 20:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' I'm just listening to an Israeli spokesman on the BBC (David Mercer) who states quite definitely that the deal has not been finalised and won't be until tomorrow at the earliest. And the background of US politics seems quite puzzling (why is Trump so keen on doing this before the inauguration?) It will take time to nail down these details and also to see if the ceasefire and hostage releases actually happen. In the meantime, we have the war listed in Ongoing and that covers all such developments. ]🐉(]) 21:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:There's a precedence likely Trump would like to emulate, but its Crystal Ball to say if it true or not, but see ]. ] (]) 00:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strongly support''' when ready. Very notable, very significant. I will note that so far they have only agreed to phase one of the ceasefire out of three. -] (]) 21:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' huge news ] (]) 00:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' very important. --] (]) 00:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support on notability''' because this is indeed very important news. --] (]) 01:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for the ceasefire to take effect. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' when everything's ready and assured. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I'll believe it when I see it. Also, if this does happen, then Gaza should go from ongoing. Otherwise this is ongoing. ] (]) 07:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' It is just a 42-day ceasefire, not the end of the war. It doesn't even take effect until Sunday, so there will be more fighting until then. Should stay in Ongoing. ] ] 08:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

* '''Wait''' until ceasefire takes effect on the 19th. ] (]) 12:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' per Angusgtw, and also per article quality. I'd only heard of this a few minutes ago and when I went to read the article it was not satisfactory to sate my curiosity about the actual agreement that happened on 15 January. ] (]/]) 16:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' noting that Israel wants to delay the ceasefire, as it performed airstrikes overnight. Definitely should wait. ] (]) 18:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' Notable, but it's not 100% confirmed yet (). ]] 18:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
<s>*'''Support'''.</s> ] (]) 19:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:See rule 1 of ]. ] (]) 20:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::Ok. ] (]) 11:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:Temporarily changing to '''Wait''' per Hawkeye7. ] (]) 11:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until it goes into effect. Israel's cabinet hasn't approved the ceasefire and it's entirely possible they will not. ] (]) 21:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Israel’s cabinet has now approved the ceasefire. --] (]) 18:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' it's being reported widely, so it should be good enough. ] (]) 01:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::That would be true, if it wasn't already listed in ongoing. ] (]) 17:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' due to positive responses. ] (]) 04:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Israeli government is on the verge of ratifying it. It seems that this will be a actual ceasefire.] (]) 20:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

====(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = South Korean president ] is ''']''' after ].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = South Korean president ] is ''']''' in a standoff involving over 3000 police officers.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = https://www.chosun.com/national/court_law/2025/01/15/YE7U73ANOJEUFPXBYEFD72XO5U/
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Ca <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = First time in South Korean history a president got arrested, or even received an arrest warrant.
| sign = ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 01:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support: ''' Seems notable. Deserves attention. ] (]|]) 01:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* (BBC) are trickling in. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 02:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support on notability''' Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --] (]) 02:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This seems incidental to the impeachment process as a whole. What should be blurbable is the result, with removal and a change in the officeholder (beyond someone acting as president) being INTR. ] (]) 03:09, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I agree that the "arrest" by itself should not be the subject of a blurb. The blurb should be about the end result of this whole saga. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Was already impeached, this drama around avoiding arrest is very much secondary to what we already posted. ] (]) 03:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' because he is the first South Korean president detained while in office, although he is suspended due to impeachment. ]] 03:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as his arrest is the first of a sitting (albeit suspended) president in South Korean history. This event is noteworthy enough in its own right, independent of his impeachment in December (which has already happened twice before) ] (]) 04:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Unlike Impeachment of prime minister Han Duck-soo, this is direct consequence of the Martial Law declaration. He would not have been arrested if he attended any summons he received, but if he were the kind of person to attend the summon, then he wouldn't have declared the Martial Law. ] (]) 04:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' We posted the arrest of Trump, I can't see how this is fundamentally different from that. Also to be noted here are the multiple attempts to evade arrest by Yoon, including with the help of his presidential guard. ] (]) 06:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Yoon has already been impeached, the arrest a formality in completing the process. Trump has not been convicted, but it was being indicted that was the story, the necessary arrest and booking a part of that. Effectively, this is like posting an inauguration after we already posted the election results; its part of the process and not the newsworthy part of the process. ] (]) 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- a sitting head of government being arrested should always satisfy ITN criteria, in my opinion. --]] 06:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Trump precedent ] (]) 06:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for multiple reasons. Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. Secondly, he's been already impeached for the illegal declaration of martial law, so the arrest warrant was a highly anticipated logical consequence. Thirdly, he's no longer sitting president as he was impeached a month ago. Fourthly, posting Trump's arrest was a mistake, and I don't think it should be used as a precedent. We don't really need to post every single development in the story. Let's wait to see if he gets convicted, and then we can post it as a conclusion.--] (]) 08:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{tpq| Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over.}} In common English usage, "]" means "a detention during which one is not legally free to stroll out the door at any time one chooses"—it has nothing to do with whether one walks into a law enforcement office and surrenders to law enforcement vs being tackled while on the run by half a dozen officers and cuffed and shackled while helicopters circle overhead. It is quite common in "non-violent crimes" (like financial "]s") for law enforcement to communicate back and forth with a suspect's legal counsel and mutually agree upon a time/place for the suspect to present themselves for arrest, vs smashing the door down at 1 AM. --] (]) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' A major event of the Korean crisis. ] (]) 08:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above, still important. ] (]) 10:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Culmination of a two-week standoff where Yoon has been using his presidential security and supporters to resist arrest. Describing this as "voluntary" is disingenuous, since Yoon himself said that he "voluntarily" decided to surrender after watching a 3,000 strong police contingent dismantle the barricades his security team put up and use ladders to infiltrate the compound, and insisted that the whole thing was unconstitutional. Also, it's very big worldwide news, and a historic first for a sitting president in the country. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 12:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:He's no longer a sitting president after his impeachment, so your last sentence is factually incorrect.--] (]) 13:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Kind of. He can still return to power depending on the Constitutional Court decision. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::He still holds the office, he just has essentially zero power unless the Constitutional Court ruling rules in his favour. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 19:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Support This should actually be added due to the fact that this might be the first on record president of the ] to be arrested, and plus @] is right, he can return to power. So he is technically still the president and this standoff led to an arrest. ] (]) 13:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' on notability. A major event in global politics. --] (]) 14:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is just a minor stage in an ongoing drama. Looking at previous presidents under this constitution, ] jumped into a ravine, ] got 17 years in jail and ] got 24 years in jail. Having to answer some questions seems quite mild by comparison and it's the final outcome which will matter more. My impression from their game shows is that SK is quite highly strung and intense and so they often tend to go to such extremes. ]🐉(]) 14:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:The difference being that Yoon is still president in suspension and hasn't been removed from his post. Roh's suicide happened years after he lost the ]; Lee's conviction came more than half decade after his loss in the ]; Park too was convicted years after her ]. Notably none of these involved the intensive stand-off at the heart of the story here.
*:And we seriously cannot be assessing South Korean politics through its TV game shows. ] (]) 17:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Strong support altblurb 2''' - not just the arrest. The ] is much of the story, not his ultimate arrest. A president of a major nation having a 13-day standoff with law enforcement of his own country to me seems extremely ITN-worthy. ] (]) 15:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*"Sitting ] arrested" seems notable enough, and is something "in the news" internationally. Suggest modification on altblurb: "South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol is arrested following a 13-day standoff." Keep it pithy, if people want more details that's what the links are for.
:'''Note on linking:''' the prez bio article is currently titled ]. Main Page links should reflect WP-canonical ], so make sure to change that presuming the title is the "right" one. --] (]) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:*'''Support''' - very notable, sitting president arrested
:] (]) 16:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - A sitting president (yes, he doesn't exercise his powers due the impeachment but he's still a sitting president) was arrested. What news is significant if this isn't? ''']<sub>]</sub>''' 16:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' even with the prior posting of his impeachment, this is still the arrest of a sitting head of state/government. It's easily notable enough. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Trump precedent. ] (] · ]) 17:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
**We posted Trump:s impeachment, indictment and his convictions, but ''never'' posted his arrest, so there is no ", Trump precedent" here. (we already posted Yoon's impeachment)<span id="Masem:1736966657367:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 18:44, 15 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
**:There is no Trump precedent, but if Trump had only surrendered to authorities after a fortnight of using his Secret Service detail to barricade Mar-a-lago or Trump Tower to stop police from arresting him and forcing a 3,000 strong police force to infiltrate the building, it probably would've been posted. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
**::On the basis that the arrest was not preceeded by a conviction or similar. And while Yoon did cause this delay, this was all peaceful, making an interesting part of the whole impeacent process but not a significant standalone part of that story. ] (]) 23:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' His martial law, his impeachment, and the subsequent impeachment of Han Duck-soo were notable enough, but I'd argue that this isn't really that notable. Yoon definitely had it coming, and we've already blurbed 3 events relating to this crisis. --] (]) 18:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this has made global headline news, even made some if the front pages of some very far flung places far from Korea, and the surrounding circumstances and manner of arrest is highly unusual and polarising in itself. Unprecedented event, and his arrest although possible was in no way a foregone conclusion at all. ] (]) 19:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Arrest of a sitting (albeit suspended) President. That alone should be enough to warrant a blurb here. Add in the fact that this wasn't just some mundane arrest either, and this is a slam-dunk nom. ] (]) 19:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' it may be more prudent to add ] to ongoing. I suspect this isn't going to go away any time soon, and not every update is going to be ITN-worthy. ] 20:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Significant. ''']''' (]) 21:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' as Yoon is the first president of South Korea detained while in office in history. --] (]) 01:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Most definitely a key moment of the current crisis in South Korea, although I agree with {{U|Dmartin969}} that adding the ] to the ongoing section might prove to be a reasonable decision, as well. But we likely need to open a different discussion for it... ] (]) 10:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per editors above. Technically still in office, becomes the first arrested sitting president of South Korea ''']''' (]) 15:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' we posted Trump for getting arrested, and he wasn't even the incumbent at the time. ]&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">]</sup>'' 16:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. I believe there is a consensus to post, so I am doing so. ] (]) 17:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{re|331dot}} Could you please add ''''Posted'''<nowiki>'</nowiki> in the beginning of your comment, as it is helpful in navigating through the discussion when it is archived or is further discussed. Thanks, {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 17:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 14 ==
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==== Update Philae Blurb ==== ==== RD: Furio Colombo ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Philae (spacecraft) | article = Furio Colombo <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| blurb = ]'s ''']''', loses all communication after landing in a shaded area unable to recharge its batteries
| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | updaters = Jkaharper<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Italian journalist and politician. Article is a bit short but I believe enough for RD. Can't comment on the sources used <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 14:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Perhaps at the bare minimum length for ITNRD, but it is enough. Article is well cited and has a decent tone. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''', as per {{U|Fakescientist8000}}. ] (]) 10:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Lead too short.—] (]) 05:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{fixed}} I've expanded the lede, however excluded about the political career. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Heinz Kluetmeier ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Heinz Kluetmeier
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Rawmustard <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nominator = Ashishg55 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. --> | nom cmt = German-born American photographer noted for the ''Sports Illustrated'' cover of the ].
| sign = ] (]) 03:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nom cmt = Posted this in talk but creating a new section here (instead of using discussion below... since its too far below). Philae blurb needs an update as current one doesn't do justice to all that has happened since the landing. i.e Landing issues and the fact its already dead. I suggest updating the blurb with something semi close to the suggested blurb but its hard to word it within a sentence. so please go ahead and edit the blurb as you please
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*'''Weak support''' Could be a bit longer, but the article is ultimately well cited and of a good quality. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I've expanded it a bit based on obits I found. Thanks for nominating. ] (]) 05:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Is there a source for lead sentence that he's American?—] (]) 05:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: why does it need a source? In the article it says he moved to the US at age nine. Seems safe to assume he has lived there since. ] (]) 07:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@]: But merely living there doesn't make him a citizen. —] (]) 07:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::: Without seeing this discussion, I removed it. Living there since age 9 makes him an American, - citizen or not. --] (]) 09:55, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Your edit summary says "likely", which is reasonable, but that's not the same as writing unqualified that he's an American. I changed it to say he was based in the US. —] (]) 12:09, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::: As I said, I made that edit before even seeing this. "American" means to me a person of Americen (U.S.) culture and language, not (only) a U.S. citizen. No doubt that a person who lived and worked in the U.S. from age 9 can be described as such. --] (]) 12:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::::{{tq|No doubt that a person who lived and worked in the U.S. from age 9 can be described as such}}: For basic English, sure. But the Misplaced Pages lead sentence convention is that it refers to nationality. Otherwise, ] would still have "American" there. —] (]) 13:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::::: Interesting, because I learned in 2010 on Misplaced Pages to link German in the lead to ]. --] (]) 21:20, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' --] (]) 09:55, 17 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Tony Slattery ====
* Is the blurb necessarily "wrong"? It reached the surface, and recorded data for a few days. It wasn't probably as successful as they had hoped, but the major goal - to land a probe on a comet - was completed. --] (]) 19:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
::Its not wrong but since blurb is still up and probably will stay up for a bit, it just looks old. obviously a lot more has taken place, the mission ending in 2 days is significant in itself. -- ]] 20:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
| article = Tony Slattery
:::Perhaps change to "completes its mission to reach P67..." instead of just "lands"? The reader can clickthrough to figure out how it was completed (perhaps earlier than expected), but the news was the "oh s*** we landed a probe on a fast moving comet!" moment, so changing it to "Completed" doesn't affect that aspect but does address your concern. --] (]) 20:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
::::I'd support a change to "completes". ] (]) 20:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
| sources =
::::Or else move to RD. (sob) ] (]) 20:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC) <small>... or we may need a new ITN ].</small>
| updated = yes
::::: The most technically correct formulation is that it entered hibernation mode, methinks. Still a solid chance that it could wake up again in some months or weeks time.
| nominator = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:::::: ''Stephan Ulamec believes it is probable that in the spring of 2015, the DLR LCC will once again communicate with Philae and receive data about how the lander is faring on Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko.''
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::::: --] (]) 21:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
| nom cmt = British comedian, best known for being on the original uk ''Whose Line is it Anyway?''. Several unsourced and cn tags on article.
:::::: I think that's more a matter of hope than expectation, but it is certainly possible. --''''']&nbsp;]&nbsp;]''''' 21:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
::::::: That's not the impression I get (I should have quoted this: ''"I'm very confident that Philae will resume contact with us and that we will be able to operate the instruments again," says DLR Lander Project Manager Stephan Ulamec.''). Nobody really knows, that is for sure. But nobody seems particularly worried that Philae will freeze to death, so all that is required then, is that the ] will improve adequately; which is not at all unlikely (not the least because the comet is currently moving closer to the sun). --] (]) 22:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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::I'd strongly oppose using "completes" because whether or not the mission was completed is at the moment something of a matter of opinion. It could well be argued that the mission was completed because it landed, operated its instruments and collected data, but it could also be argued that it was not completed but failed because part of the probe's mission was to operate on the surface for several weeks (or one at minimum). This isn't the place to discuss this, however the main page, above all pages, should adhere to ]. --''''']&nbsp;]&nbsp;]''''' 21:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Orange tagged and lacking in citations throughout the article. Must be improved far beyond what it already is now. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:37, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*I'm going to '''oppose''' posting an update. I don't think the likely (not certain) end of the lander's mission is as significant as the landing itself. It is also worth noting that Rosetta is still operating so the mission as a whole is ongoing. --''''']&nbsp;]&nbsp;]''''' 21:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
::Yes the landing was significant.. 5 days ago. Updating blurb can only keep it relevant to current status of lander. Doesnt change the fact that it landed. I dont think it lowers significance in any way -- ]] 22:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
:::If this happened a week later, when the original blurb had been removed, it wouldn't stand a chance of being posted. --''''']&nbsp;]&nbsp;]''''' 22:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the updated blurb as the relevant issue at this time, but not moved to the top of the queue, and without the !??! at the end. ] (]) 21:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I oppose changing the blurb. First, it is not certain the lander is dead. Second, the landing was/is the historic part of Philae's mission. Failures are pretty much expected. <font face="Cambria">] (])</font> 03:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' and I'll note that the original mission plan called for 3 day to 6 months of measurements. That it ended at the early part of that range is unfortunate, but forseen.] (]) 08:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The story is that humans have managed to land a battery powered washing machine on a comet, not that it did one load and conked out after the final spin. In any-case it appears to have been sold with a warranty and may come back to life in 9 months or so. --] ] 16:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


== November 16 == ==== RD: Simon Townsend ====
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| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/simon-townsend-has-died-journalist-tv-presenter/104818750
| updated = yes
| nominator = HiLo48 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Australian journalist, and conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, who spent time in prison, then later became host of a very popular childrens TV show, ].
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*Only one reference for the whole article. ]] 23:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The article, despite being up for 20 years, has a single reference, is orange tagged, and has two completely uncited sections. Please fix. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 23:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{fixed}} I've added all the citations, and replaced the more sources needed template with '''secondary sources needed'''. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': Though I've added all the sources, the article still lacks in quality, and few sources need to verified, and the biography section completely relies on his interview. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 13 ==
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==== Romanian presidential election, 2014==== ==== RD: Bram Van Paesschen ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Romanian presidential election, 2014 | article = Bram Van Paesschen
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
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| image = Klaus_Iohannis_din_interviul_cu_Dan_Tapalagă.tif
| blurb = Opposition candidate ] is ''']''' ]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
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| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Thriley
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| nom cmt = Belgian documentary filmmaker, editor, and lecturer. Death announced 13 January.
| ITNR = yes
| sign = ] (]) 21:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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==== RD: Elgar Howarth ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Elgar Howarth
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = Gerda Arendt
| updaters = Erksahin, Gerda Arendt, Grimes2
| nom cmt = Versatile English trumpeter, composer and conductor, who conducted many world premieres, including Ligeti's '']'' and four operas by ], and who played trumpet fanfares for The Beatles. The article was already quite developed and sourced.
| sign = --] (]) 15:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Support''': I don't see any problem in the first glance. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': Please fix the bare URLs on the page - ''']''' (Used to be '''NickGibson3900''')<sup>''']</sup>''' 07:50, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the other candidate congratulated Iohannis. I think it is really noteworthy that this president is from a minority. ] (]) 21:20, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once article is fully updated. ] (]) 23:13, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. It is a recent notable event, though some issues like outdated info need to be fixed. Also, Iohannis is descended from a Romanian minority, so this is more noteworthy. ] (]) 03:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Note''' I've updated the article and greatly improved the grammar. ] (]) 13:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the main blurb (but not the alt blurb). ] (]) 14:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
* '''Posting''' I'm adding "Opposition candidate" because that's what makes this especially newsworthy. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
* <small>Bill Clinton is moonlighting, I see. ] (]) 10:56, 20 November 2014 (UTC)</small>


==== RD: Ian Craig ==== ==== (Posted) RD: Walter Deutsch ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Ian Craig | article = Walter Deutsch
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| nom cmt = Austrian musicologist focused on folk music, leading a university institute in Vienna from 1965 to 1993 and making folk music popular on radio and television from 1967, collecting material for both purposes. He was 101. - The article and the references were there but not yet connected ;)
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| sign = --] (]) 22:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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| nom cmt = Youngest Test captain in history. Article is FA.
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*'''Support''' Article is well cited and is generally long enough. Good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 02:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can you provide sources indicating that this is in the news? Could you also explain what about him being the youngest captain makes him important to cricket? ] (]) 12:04, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Notable cricketer, also the article is a FA, we need to show more of that in the main page. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC) *'''Support''' 4524 characters (745 words) "readable prose size" and sourced. ] (]) 09:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—] (]) 05:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Once the article has been updated beyond just adding the date he died. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 17:30, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Not a cricket person but reading the article, this seems to suggest that he didn't have much of a career (having to retire at 26), thus not really being a leader in his field. --] (]) 18:36, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' As a cricket person, I have to agree with Masem. By no stretch of the imagination is Craig a very important figure in cricket. He was captain of Australia for one year, played in only 11 tests in his whole career, and had a test batting average of below 20 - absolutely terrible for a specialist batsman. As the article itself says, "Craig's career did not fulfil its early promise." I would also point out that he's not the youngest test captain ever - he is Australia's youngest, but he's only the sixth-youngest overall. South Africa, India, Pakistan, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh have all had younger test captains. ] (]) 21:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Putting a link to an FA-quality article on the main page is hard to object to. --]''''']''''' 00:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
:*.....except when the person the article is about does not meet the RD criteria. ] (]) 02:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''; doesn't seem to meet the RD criteria. Like Masem I don't know much about cricket, but reading his page he didn't seem to have a particularly notable career, and I'm not clear on how is being the youngest captain makes him 'very important' to cricket. ] (]) 02:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' FA or not, the subject wass clearly not highly notable in his field. The lead pretty much explains why that is...--] (]) 11:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


== November 15 == ==== RD: Niel Barnard ====
{{ITN candidate
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| article = Niel Barnard <!-- Do not wikilink -->
{|{{Portal:Current events/2014 November 15}}
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Jkaharper, Bigdavesee <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = South African intelligence chief. Article is of good length <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 15:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' There are quite a few uncited statements throughout the article. These must be fixed before we can put this on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 02:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{fixed}} There are one or two long proses, but they are cited from a book so if we consider that book reliable its good to go. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Pinging {{re|Fakescientist8000}}. Also see RD: Simon Townsend. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 12:28, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support''' on quality, but only if somebody could confirm the book is a reliable source. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 07:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Tony Book ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Tony Book <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/14/tony-book-manchester-city-dies-aged-90 <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = y<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters = Fats40boy11 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| sign = 03:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Article is well cited and is plenty long enough to be put on the Main Page. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—] (]) 05:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Lebanese prime minister ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Nawaf Salam
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = ''']''' is chosen to be the next ]
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] (pictured) ''']''' president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = DecafPotato <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Lebanon's Prime Minister is the ITNR position for the country (administers the executive in the country), so discussions shouldn't focus on notability but only article quality. However, I think this should probably be merged with the current blurb about the new president, since those two events are very related, unless people have objections to that.
| sign = ] (]) 21:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' merge with president blurb into something like "Joseph Aoun is elected president of Lebanon, with Nawaf Salam being nominated as Prime Minister". Salam also has a pretty large article and it seems to be well cited. --] (]) 21:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Edit: There's actually a lot of CN tags at the bottom of the article, I would now say '''Wait''' on quality. ] (]) 21:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Edit 2: CN problems resolved, I now fully '''Support Merge'''. ] (]) 20:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Wait, then Support''' per above ] (]) 21:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' merge with president blurb into something like "] ''(pictured)'' ''']''' president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister". This is important enough for ITN because it is a surprise reformist prime minister naming that angers Hezbollah (, , ). ]<sup>]</sup> 21:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''': Both the article ] and ] need to better sourced, and have inline citations. Multiple CN tags.</s> '''Support merging''' --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': I added altblurb that does not link to any new article (but just augments the blurb we already have) in case the new articles are not ready in terms of quality, we can just modify the old blurb as we wait for quality to improve. ]<sup>]</sup> 12:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support merged blurb, but comment''' Just easiest to add Salam as PM to existing blurb without worring about quality of Salam's article, however, I do note that that leaves the current featured article about the election absent any discussion of the PM selection (Aoun's article and Salam's article of course have it). I don't think that that lack is a bad thing (this election is very much its own version of an IAR situations) so it should be okay to just amend without haven't any adjustment to the featured article. ] (]) 13:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support merge''' @] @] @] I have resolved the citation issues. ] (]) 13:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|Prodrummer619}} There are still few CN tags. If your didn't find a source for them, then we can remove those statements and move forward. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 14:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] Woops. It Should've been done in a second edit but it didn't go though due to an error. Can you check now ] (]) 14:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Looks fine now, I've changed to support. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 14:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support merge''' per above ] (]) 15:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' as an addition to the current item. ]] 23:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Oliviero Toscani ====
{{ITN candidate
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| recent deaths = yes
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| nom cmt = Famous photographer
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:'''Comment''' Could be expanded from Italian with sources, would be very good candidate then for sure. --] ] 06:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Feels a bit bare-bones, and there are several uncited statements in the article as well. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

==== 2025 Prayag Kumbh Mela ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Prayag Kumbh Mela
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = The ''''']''''', a major ] festival, begins in ], India
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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| nominator = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
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| nom cmt = Beginning of a once-in-144 years festival (the '']'' occurs every 12 years, with a larger ''Maha'' iteration each 144 years). ''The Guardian'' expects more than 400 million people to attend this year’s festivities. C-class article exists but could be improved.
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:With Hinduism time cycles being infinitely fractal or almost is there a Super Maha Kumbh Mela every 12^3 yrs? ] (]) 14:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': The article has now been copyedited. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 15:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I have added a tag to the article, since it contains words like "mystical" and "sophisticated" ''']''' (]) 17:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' - but I have also raised a query on the talk page, about this '144 years' claim. ] (]) 17:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Jupiter's orbit is more precisely 4,332.59d (assuming sidereal like their astrology not tropical) so seems like it should be 143 about 34.7% of the time else 142 but I don't know how it's scheduled i.e. is it always the same season? Sidereal yr or tropical? Is starting ~Full Moon ending ~last crescent or ~New Moon coincidence or lunar/lunisolar calendar? (12x4332.59 (~11.862yr) is ~146.715 pure (nonlunisolar) lunar yrs so that's not where 144 comes from) ] (]) 18:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If you look at the talk page, you will see the specific queries I'm raising. Basically it amounts to (1) wasn't the 2013 Prayag Kumbh Mela described at the time as a Maha Kumbh Mela? (2) is there anything in sources about the 1882 (eg 143 years ago) Prayag Kumbh Mela to show that it was distinctive in the way that the current one is claimed to be? ] (]) 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Reading news reporting, it seems like the event’s size and significance arguably owes more to 21st century Indian sociopolitical trends rather than ancient calendar cycles. This can be discussed in the article - the blurb is deliberately simple. Regardless, this is a very large event that is in the news. ]<sup>&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup> 23:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{Re|LukeSurl}} I consider the blurb not 'deliberately' simple, but uneditorialised. Notre Dam's opening did not cover the recent right's rise in Europe. This example is not to draw analogy, but to connect. Given Guardian is British agency, they consider clubbing a lot of things related to a single event within an article when it comes to foreign news, especially Indian religions and the corresponding politics involved with it at a broader scale. Not a mistake but sure editorialising, although I agree the 'sociopolitical trends' sure are a reason for its wider scale this year. The 144 years is an estimate of Indian astrological calculations, and is relevant only because it feels 'good' to say that to exgravate the event. Kumbh Mela has always been a large celebration, even the last 'big' KM they did in 2013 was called 'Maha' KM. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*''']''' is the main page section that usually handles religious festivals and other calendar events, not ITN. ]🐉(]) 08:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It is not a festival, and is not per the Gregorian calendar. This one doesn't happen every year, once in 12 years. Last it happened in 2013. --] ] 08:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The proposed blurb says it's "a major Hindu festival". And the timing seems complex and variable – the ] says that the biggest attendance was on 4 February 2019. As it's a long festival and the crowding tends to generate incidents, like the Moslem pilgrimmages to Mecca, perhaps ITN should wait until we have something specific to report. ]🐉(]) 10:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::As for what I've found on internet, Kumbh Mela was historically used to be a generic word to refer to local pilgrimage/religious gatherings happening in multiple city, but today only refers to the four major such gatherings, happening every ''few years'' in four Indian cities (2019 was one of its smaller variations (half Kumbh mela), although 2025 is expected to outdo it). The biggest and most notable of these four is the one happening in ] known as ] which happens once every 12 years. It's not a festival in traditional sense (like the ones there are holidays for), it is not ''celebrated'' across India in every city in general, but rather confined to that city where outside people pilgrimage to participate in. It has attained the title of 'festival' in recent centuries, although it might not be one. What makes it notable is not that it is celebrated by hundreds of millions of people across India, but that hundreds of millions from across the country visit the city to participate in it. It is an 'event' which has fixed starting and ending dates, and for 2025 PKM it is 13 January to 26 February 2025. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::: Billions of people have recently celebrated Christmas and the New Year in various ways. Those events were in the news too but we need something more for ITN. ]🐉(]) 11:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::Christmas and New Year comes every Year, Kumbh Mela (the main one) doesn't. It comes every 12 years, which is the point of putting it on ITN. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 13:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:::There's equivocation here around the word 'festival', which is both used to mean 'recurrent religious or cultural date of celebration' and 'mass gathering in celebration'. The Kumbh Mela is both of those things. It doesn't take place only on a single day, so I'm not sure OTD is appropriate; what is significant here is the reported scale and alleged rarity of this event. I'm entirely satisfied that the scale is as big as has been claimed; I am, however, dubious about the rarity, as I have said elsewhere. That this celebration is not governed by the Gregorian calendar would be no obstacle to putting it in OTD: we regularly list events from the Julian, Hebrew, Islamic, and other calendars there. As to the frequency ''aside from the 144-year issue'', it seems apparent: (1) that there are four sites at which events of this sort take place, and that each site is on its own twelve-year cycle (2) that the celebrations are staggered, so that a cycle starts at ''one'' of the four sites every three years (3) that some sites hold an Ardh Kumbh Mela - that is, a halfway event - at the six-year point of their respective twelve-year cycles (4) that this one, the Prayag Kumbh Mela, is of high prestige, possibly the highest among the four. Certainly it is the ones 12 and 24 years ago that I recall last getting this much coverage abroad. ] (]) 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support''' on notability, may be considered an ITNR, happening every 12 years.</s> '''Support''' for 12 years notability, and if that's not enough then its better on 'On this Day' as suggested by Andrew above. --] ] 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:As noted above, we'd normally use OTD for such things, so the "regular" event that happens every ~12 years doesn't need to be an ITN. This one, which does appear to be the ''maha'' version, that only happens every ~144 years, is unique and reasonable to call out for an ITN, but its frequency at once-every-144-years doesn't make for a good ITNR. ] (]) 13:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*::{{re|Masem}} Different types of KMs happen every 2-4 years in 4 cities of India, on rotational order. Most notable (maybe deserving an ITN) is ''Maha Kumbh Mela'' happening in ] every '''12''' years. . The once-in-144 year KM is not denoted by 'Maha', that's jus a confusion probably caused by under researched news articles. ] was also 'Maha', ] was also 'Maha'... no relation between 144 years and prefix 'Maha'. And for the question if 144 years ago if there was some special KM, I didn't find any source suggesting that any KM from the 1800s was special for this matter, however a considerable thing is that KMs were not that popular back then so official record keeping may have missed it. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 14:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Then we need to have that all clear and resolved because the ITN worthy item is the 144yr event, not the 12 yr one. Sources today seem to claim this one is the special 144 yr one but it's extremely confusing from our articles.<span id="Masem:1736864734477:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 14:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*::::{{re|Masem}} BBC itself has two contradictory articles. states that MahaKumbh 2013 was the 144 year special one, other mentions that this year's MahaKumbh is 144 year special. Maybe no one knows for sure and different people hold different opinions, with this year's claim being the loudest of them all. And I've found that 'Maha' prefix is indeed used for 144 year special KMs, but they are using it every time now, maybe to attract more people. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 15:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' It would be helpful if the contradiction on the ] page, which claims the 2013 event in Prayagraj was a ''Maha'' event as well, could be resolved. I see most sources calling the 2025 event the ''Maha'' one, but then you have a the 2013 as being ''Maha'' sourced to a gov't document. I know that article is not featured, but given that a large proportion of our readership is not Hindu, I think we need to have clarity fixed there as well and just to make sure we are acknowledgint the 144-year event. ] (]) 13:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now''' - there are inconsistencies as Masem points out above, and several tags that need work. While notable we should cover it at its conclusion in February when there are much more concrete facts about attendance and the article is not a bunch of ] material. ] (]) 16:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We definitely do not want to post the current blurb until there is clarity on whether this is considered a 'Maha' kumbh. There is discussion about it on the ] that should at minimum be resolved before posting the current blurb. ] (]) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' Hindu festivals are not ITN. ] (]) 21:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:::There is no such categorical rule, and frankly, anon, your position looks somewhat prejudicial.
:::(By the way, 2025 is also a Jubliee Year in the Catholic Church, an event which occurs once every 25 years. This one is also the 1700th anniversary of the First Council of Nicaea. If there's a nice big event relating to that, with lots of appropriate sources, I would vote for it to be included at ITN as well. I regard both of these major events as having potential merit as ITN stories ''if'' the pages are up to standard.) ] (]) 22:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The ] has been regularly run at OTD -- having been posted 10 times so far. This lapsed in 2016 so I've just rescheduled it for this year. The nice thing about OTD is that it has an "anyone can edit" process which makes it easier to get things done. ]🐉(]) 09:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::OTD is really good option. The only thing which I think still makes posting this on ITN plausible is if this is really an event happening once every 144 years. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:33, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' after reading the above insightful discussion by helpful editors. Also, just because it is rare does not mean it should be ITN material. For example, there was a big celebration in France for the 200 years anniversary of the French revolution, but i don't think we would have blurbed it. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with 400 million people participating I see no argument as to why this should not be featured. ] (]) 03:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:* The number attending on Monday was said to be 16 million. The 400 million figure is a prediction for the cumulative numbers over 45 days. But you get similar or bigger numbers for other mass celebrations. For example, we have the Chinese New Year coming up soon and millions travel and celebrate that. This usually has a logistical impact which is covered in the news – see . Diwali, Easter, Ramadan ... there are many such. ]🐉(]) 08:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{re|Andrew Davidson}} That's a bad comparison. Chinese new year or any other festival for that matter, millions travel '''across''' the country to their hometown which is not the same as a concentrated attendance at one location, like ']' here. All the other festivals you listed also do not include single-location gatherings. KM has far more logistical complexities other than travelling like managing health, safety, sanitation, transportation, and crowd control. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:*:For crowding, refer ]. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose pending clarification''' per Masem and Schwinnspeed. ]]] ] 02:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Leslie Charleson ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Leslie Charleson
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://people.com/leslie-charleson-dead-general-hospital-actress-8605210
| updated = yes
| nominator = SimpleSubCubicGraph <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sign = Regards, ] 0:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
:'''Support''' This is a notable person who died yesterday. The article about her is reasonably well developed.--] (]) 14:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] with all due respect, this comment reads as if it was written by AI - did you use that? ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 16:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] Are you talking about the very comment above you? It's too short to determine anything, and looks natural to most part to me. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 06:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] The blunt summary of the context + awkward pause in the middle/separation into two sentences reads like AI to me, but that could also just be my own paranoia speaking. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Orange tagged and lacking in citations, must be addressed before we can put this on the Main Page. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' The filmography section, without which the article would be stub like, is completely uncited. --] ] 07:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 12 ==
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==== Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014 ==== ==== RD: William P. Dixon ====
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{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
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| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
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| blurb = ] representing ] with the song ] wins the ''']'''.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
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| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| updaters = Star Garnet <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nominator = BabbaQ <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = American lawyer and political strategist. Death announced 12 January.
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| sign = ] (]) 04:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''- We always post the Eurovision Song Contest and never the Junior. It just doesn't get the same attention and isn't as meaningful. ''']''' (] • ]) 23:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:Well, actually an Oppose should not be automatic. Especially considering the fact that it was an historic win for Italy. On its first attempt it won, Junior Eurovision is also not just a minor event anymore. It gets press in Europe these days and is a large event.--] (]) 00:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''- Agree with Bzweebl. It may be 'historic' for Italy, but countless things may win on their first attempt, it certainly is not to the same scale as the main Eurovision. --&nbsp;'''<nowiki>]]]'''&nbsp;<nowiki>]]</nowiki>''' 00:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
:With your reasoning we should not post next years winner of ESC as countless acts have won it :) And I have never claimed that JESC is as big as ESC but it is not a small event anymore aither. --] (]) 00:18, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. People would've tripped over each other in nominating this if instead of Italy, this was the UK or Ireland. –''']]]''' 01:11, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
:*Though nominated before(I think), I don't recall this being posted before, regardless of the nationality of the winner. It doesn't really seem relevant- and I would oppose it regardless. ] (]) 03:09, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''inquiry''' can someone equally familiar with American ''and'' British/European culture give an analogy for what the ''adult'' Eurovision song contest is comparable to in American culture? E.g., is this like the World Series, the New Year's eve ball dropping, or the Miss USA contest? Thanks. ] (]) 01:16, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
**Seems like the comp would be American Idol. Which is crap. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 01:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
***I disagree with this statement (as an American); there is really nothing comparable in the States or Canada to something that sees the individual states or provincences coming together to support a single group. Arguably there is Miss USA, but that is such a low impact event in that nature. American Idol, while in terms of function, is similar, it lacks the "national" connection that Eurovision has. (I do agree the youth version of EV is not ITN) --] (]) 05:31, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Miss America is more prestigious, but still there's no inter-state rivalry or really any consciousness of the contest by the general pubic until the night it is aired, and even then it's a curiosity, and no one I know would be upset their state didn't win. A few winners of the Miss America pageant have had notable careers, ], ], ], ], ], but these seem to have been otherwise talented people for whom the Miss America pageant was a feather in their bonnet, not a big break. ] (]) 20:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::That's sorta what I mean. There is the local to state to national level of competition there, but the awareness is only at the final show, and it's not like people get very charged up to see their personal "Miss State" win the Miss America pageant as there is for the people of a given European country to see their selected song/group get top honors at EV. And the fact that the EV contest doesn't have an elimination format means everyone is invested to the end, unlike sports here in the states that, if certain teams make it to the final championship, viewership will drop off badly. It's very difficult to compare EV to anything American. --] (]) 20:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
** In terms of viewership, the Super Bowl is probably the nearest comparison. Eurovision gets over 170 million viewers across Europe, whereas the Super Bowl gets about 110 million in the US. By comparison, Game 7 of the World Series got 24m viewers. In terms of cultural impact, people are aware and it gets a lot of viewers (9m in the UK) but people don't take it especially seriously. -] (]) 01:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
**:~170 million out of ~750 million people in Europe= 4%
**:~110 million out of ~318 million people in the US= 34%
**:Also, I heard that the actual votes in American Idol dwarf those of the adult Eurovision contest. (Actual number of votes aren't used to determine the winner on the latter.) –''']]]''' 12:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
::::I just wanted a general idea, so no need to get too detailish. BTW, 170/750 is 23%, not 4%. ] (]) 19:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::Ooops. I dunno where 4% came from. I was right on the other lol. So Eurovision is like the twice the appeal of the World Series, but not quite Super Bowl level. –''']]]''' 20:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::Yes, regarding the World Series, my father won't watch it and many people don't if his home town team is not in it, but he watches all regular-season Phillies games religiously. The Superbowl, however is much more of an event in itself, with a huge audience, close to a national holiday. He's never missed one regardless of whether the Eagles were in it. ] (]) 21:23, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I don't understand why any of these competitions exist, let alone why Eurovision gets posted. Beyond that, I see no reason to ever post a "junior" competition for anything. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 01:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not really a major event. Most countries don't even participate (16 participants in 2014 versus 37 in the adult version, and EBU has members in 56 countries). 3 of 16 made their debut and one of them winning doesn't seem special. It's not like team sports where you need time to build a high-level team. ] (]) 01:44, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. It's a 'junior' contest. The adult one is much more covered and relevant to music in general. ] (]) 03:09, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' if we were going to start posting "junior" competitions, I doubt we'd start with "Junior Eurovision". ]] 21:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose''', the article is a stub and is too short. ] (]) 09:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
==== G-20 summit ====
*'''Oppose''' Article is far too stubby to be recognized on the Main Page. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Cheers to you too. ] (]) 17:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

==== 2024 Chadian parliamentary election results ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2014 G-20 Brisbane summit | article = 2024 Chadian parliamentary election
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article --> | image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = In ], the ruling ] ] in the ].
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| blurb = The ''']''' begins in ].
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = The ''']''' ends in ], after discussions including global ], ], ], ] and ].
| altblurb = The ruling ] in ] ] in the ].
| sources = , , ,
| altblurb2 = In Chad, the ruling ] ] in the ] amidst a boycott by opposition parties.
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Yo.dazo <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this --> | creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Nom per ITN/R. I'm also thinking if the blurb should also mention that opposition parties boycotted the election.
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| sign = ] (]) 19:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Comment''' While ITNR, it's not clear which side of the summit the ITN should be posted. I would think for article quality it should be on the back end (completion) so that the article can reflect any major agreements that came out of it. --] (]) 16:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC) *'''Comment''' It would be bizarre to run this separately from the mysterious attack on the Presidential palace in the same country. People seem to think that the government's statements are not reliable so why would this be any different? My impression is that there's likely to be a connection but we don't have good, reliable sources for any of it. ]🐉(]) 22:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We can't engage in original research and our own conclusions even if they seem obvious. ] (]) 23:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per Masem. The article can only improve if we have information about the events of the summit, so if we're going to post an article about it, let's at least have something worthwhile to write about. --]''''']''''' 02:17, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until it concludes, we might have a more interesting headline, like Putin too sleepy to attend conference. ] (]) 02:07, 17 November 2014 (UTC) *:: Below, you say that {{tq|"Chad is not a democracy, and you can't trust anything their government says."}} ]🐉(]) 00:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' now the summit is over. I've suggested an altblurb, but it might be considered ]ed. I've also added a bit on the outcomes of the summit to the article, but it's just sourced directly to the leaders' communique, so if anyone feels like expanding it and improving the sources then it'd help the article. ] (]) 13:24, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I corrected the link in the altblurb. Linking to ] instead of linking to ] should also be considered. -- ] (]) 13:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' a shorter version of the altblurb. --] (]) 15:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


:Am I allowed to '''oppose''' based on the absolutely atrocious ] of the lead by the overly-wide electionbox? It's averaging three words per line on my screen. Also, I realize this is on ITN/R, but according to the article this election was boycotted by the opposition and the ruling party, unsurprisingly, won a large majority, so I'm really not sure this is interesting to readers. ] </span>]] 07:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
== November 14 ==
::* ITN/R is just a guideline and so "exceptions may apply". ]🐉(]) 08:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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::*:Agreed; the general consensus of administrators is that the proper place to have a discussion about significance of ITN/R items is on ], and discussions should only focus on ]. But we also know that there are instances in which the rules do not account for stories where the lede of the true story (the boycott of an election) has been buried. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> ''']'''-''<small>(])</small>'' 13:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' - Blurb is misleading at best, per above. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> ''']'''-''<small>(])</small>'' 13:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose''' - Might be a hot take but I don't think blatantly rigged and unfair elections in authoritarian countries should be considered ITN/R, unless the country itself has a massive impact and reach (ala Russian presidential elections). ] (]) 19:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
==== Alexander Grothendieck ====
*'''Weak Oppose''' This is a likely sham election in a relatively minor country, so I don't think this is significant enough for ITN. That being said, article quality is fine. --] (]) 21:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*ALT2 added. I do not see how this is a different circumstance to other "sham elections" we've posted. ] (]) 01:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Well the Russian election has a lot more global influence for example ] (]) 06:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I did not mention Russia. A quick peek through the 2024 archive shows that contested elections in , , and were posted. ] (]) 08:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' on notability. {{tq|The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.}} We post elections whether they're sham or not if the quality's good enough, as evidenced above, and we do not consider whether it is a {{tq|minor country}} when posting. In fact, we posted the . ] (]) 22:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Lets not promote a fake election. Chad is ''not'' a democracy. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
** ] aren't democracies. Should we prevent the majority of African election coverage from being posted because most aren't "democratic" enough? ] (]) 02:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I think that it should be a case by case call, taking into account the level of democracy. For example, The Economist Democracy Index lists 44 Sub-Saharan African countries. Chad is the 2nd worst among them (only better than Central African Republic). ]<sup>]</sup> 03:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sham elections are still incredibly important for presidential monarchies, and the aftermath around them, I don’t see the logic of excluding them. If anything they tend to be more newsworthy ] (]) 17:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support merge''' with the attack blurb. Any comments on the coverage of sham elections should be discussed elsewhere as it’s ITNR, it’s just article quality that matters. Article is a good length, but a couple missing citations in the Electoral system section. Ideally it’d have an aftermath/reactions section but situation is still developing. ] (]) 16:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Yes, this was likely a sham election, but the sentiment expressed by some voters here that we should be picking and choosing and deciding ourselves what elections otherwise falling under ITN/R are fair enough to post is out of line IMO. If it is desired, I think simply saying they were the first elections held since 2011 may suffice enough. ] (]) 19:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb2''' as the only blurb that shows this was a sham election. ] (]) 09:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT2''' I get us not declaring it a sham ourselves, but it's critical to note the opposition boycotted and not give the impression that this was a normally-contested election. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

==== 2024–25 Croatian presidential election ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Alexander Grothendieck | article = 2024–25 Croatian presidential election
| image = Zoran Milanović at Palazzo del Quirinale 2021 (11) (cropped).jpg
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| blurb = ] ''(pictured)'' ''']''' ].
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| blurb = ], one of the greatest ]s of the 20th century, dies at the age of 86.
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| nominator = Maitn
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = , ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Moraljaya67
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Nom per ITN/R.
| sign = ] (]) 06:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
}}

*'''Oppose''' The article looks quite presentable but most of the sources are in the Croatian language and so I've no idea how accurate or reliable they are. To check the blurb, I looked at the cited by the nomination (but not the article). This says that, "Presidents in Croatia fulfil a largely ceremonial role" and so it seems this is not ITN/R. I've therefore changed the nomination parameter to "no". ]🐉(]) 08:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' First time voting here, the President of Croatia is the head of state, so this should be ITN/R right? Plus, there is precedent for posting changes in heads of state with mostly ceremonial roles, considering we posted the ] back in 2023. ] (]) 16:57, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Re|Ocean1cbanana}} The last time Croatia got a new head of state it was 2020, the last time somebody got coronated in Britain before Charles, it was 1953. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 17:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Weak support''' - Meets ] so it's not a question of notability. I would say the article doesn't feel ready; it needs a bit more prose/updates post election, as it's pretty light on text overall right now.''']''' ''(] &#124; ])'' 17:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Comment''': this is ''not'' ITNR, which states that only the executive office qualifies, referring to ] for guidance. For Croatia, that list indicates the prime minister has the executive power (green shading), not the president. I've adjusted the nomination template accordingly. ] ] 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - we do not, and really should not, post changes in the head of state when that office is not also the head of government. --]] 23:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This does not seem important enough for ITN after reading about the ''role'' of the president of Croatia. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - Firstly, some of the facts presented here are incorrect. The President of Croatia is not a ceremonial role: the president decides the country's foreign policy, is responsible for all matters of national security, and reviews laws passed by the parliament (this is not a definite right of veto as in the US, but it can be used to block the passage of a law in many situations). The parliament still holds executive power, but it's a far, far cry from the position of European monarchs.
:Secondly and apart from ITN/R matters, the outcome was atypical. A landslide victory for the presidential office has happened only once since the establishment of the current two-party system (in ] with only 65% in the second round). Usually, both rounds produce a close result between major-party candidates. In addition, the candidate of the party governing the parliament barely mustered 10% of registered voters in each round, which is unprecented.
:The article itself needs some improvement -- so far, there is little info other than who ran and how many votes they won, and the election process in general. I'll try to fill in the blanks tomorrow. <span style="font-family:Garamond,Palatino,serif;font-size:115%;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(red,red,red,blue,blue,blue,blue);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">] ]</span> 00:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::I've added some detail to the article. <span style="font-family:Garamond,Palatino,serif;font-size:115%;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(red,red,red,blue,blue,blue,blue);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">] ]</span> 11:38, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Hasjim Djalal ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Hasjim Djalal
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://en.antaranews.com/news/341158/hasjim-djalal-an-architect-of-unclos-passes-away-at-90
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Jeromi Mikhael <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Jeromi Mikhael
| nom cmt = Indonesian diplomat.
| sign = Regards, ] 16:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support RD only'''. He was a significant figure in his field (mathematics) but he's been a recluse since retirement in the late 1980s. "Old man dies of natural causes" is not a blurb-worthy event, but exactly what RD was intended for. ] (]) 18:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now. The article is full of dense jargon: ''"Within algebraic geometry itself, his theory of schemes is used in technical work. His generalization of the classical Riemann-Roch theorem started the study of algebraic and topological K-theory. His construction of new cohomology theories has left consequences for algebraic number theory, algebraic topology, and representation theory. His creation of topos theory has appeared in set theory and logic"'' and largely unreferenced. Nor are we given a rationale or sources in the nomination template. I don't see any awards, although this may be a result of his asociality and life as a recluse, rather than lack of merit. So work would need to be done give ] attributed sources saying how influential he was. ] (]) 23:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
**The infobox states he won the ] (the most prestigious award in mathematics) and declined the ] (roughly equivalent to a Nobel prize), so I think it is clear he meets the RD criteria. ] (]) 19:27, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
***Thanks, but is this not a section in the text? a sentence or two about the awards, explaining their significance and his reaction belongs in the influence section, does it not? ] (]) 19:28, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Definite support''' for RD once the article has been tidied up and the maintenance tag addressed. You're pretty much not gonna getta more prominent mathmo than a Fields medallist. ] (]) 19:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support RD, Oppose blurb''', pending article cleanup ("Mathematical work" and down need more in-lines, and there's a few broken refs). No question on RD posting but not seeing, given death by old age, a significantly important figure equivalent to Thatcher or Mandela. --] (]) 19:46, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support RD, Oppose blurb''' pending article improvements. Clearly notable in his field, which meets the RD criteria, but this doesn't warrant a blurb. If a blurb is supported, it should not include the unquantifiable "greatest mathematician" statement. ] (]) 21:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' mainly on article quality grounds, would support for RD if it were fixed up. Most of the important text is entirely unreferenced; entire sections are either unreferenced, or very poorly so. Needs a major overhaul with someone putting a whole lot of work into referencing it before I could support highlighting this on the main page. --]''''']''''' 01:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support for RD''', and possibly for a stand-alone blurb. A major figure in 20-th century mathematics, much bigger than a run-of-the-mill Fields medalist. ] (]) 15:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Jargon and Citation''' the article has large swathes of unsourced material, including entire sections. Worse for the reader, unless you've got a BA in mathematics you've probably never heard of many of the terms and none of them are defined in the text, so there are literally dozens of technical phrases you'd have to open the link for and read, rather than just being given a basic in-article definition that allows continuous reading by the layman. ] (]) 19:28, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
**"rather than just being given a basic in-article definition that allows continuous reading by the layman" &mdash; you seem very certain that the mathematics can be summarized in a "basic" way that allows a layman to understand it. The mathematics that Grothendieck worked on was very deep and very hard, even for experts with PhDs in mathematics. If you have some concrete way of making this accessible to someone with no knowledge of mathematics, I would love to hear it. But just observing that it's too technical for laymen to grasp is not terribly constructive. This is, after all, a mathematician whose life work was among some of the most technical and hard-to-understand in history, not some footballer. ] (]) 21:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Your comments are getting personal, emotional, and on the article talk page, contrary, Sławomir. According to ] an article at a graduate level of expertise should be written down one level so a reader at undergraduate level can get the gist of it. Brief explanations and definitions as well as examples should be given in lieu of bare links where complex ideas are discussed, I've already show how that can be done on the article's talk page, and you've ignored it. There's also the issue of references. No one is attacking your idol personally, just suggesting the ''article'' has problems that someone with the proper understanding can address. ] (]) 23:20, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:::: The assertion that Grothendieck is my "idol" is not true, and I suggest that it is you that are here becoming personal. What I do take issue with is your apparently arrogant attitude that, by adding a few words here or there, the ideas of the ], ], or ] can be made accessible to someone with zero mathematical knowledge. That's simply not true. For instance, the Langlands program itself is a sort of glue that holds together many very difficult branches of mathematics, such as representation theory, local field theory, and automorphic forms. And that's kind of the "point" of Grothendieck's whole perspective, to weave this sort of glue. There's just no sound-bite for that, no matter how hard you try. Even the concept of "cohomology", which is "elementary mathematics" from the Grothendieck point of view, would be nearly impossible to explain in a brief inline form. (And then, is it topology? is it algebra? is it geometry? Not easy questions to answer.) ] (]) 01:36, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::At this point you are just outright lying, no one has said anything about making the article "accessible to someone with zero mathematical knowledge", I have mentioned a familiarity with calculus on the article's talk page and the MOS again says, write one level down. I suggest you stop addressing ''me'' (especially here), and do what you can, if you are interested, in making the article more accessible to those like hard science majors who might actually be interested in this article. ] (]) 02:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::*Frankly, your assumption that there can be nothing in mathematics that is deep enough to be difficult to explain to non-mathematicians comes across as anti-intellectualism. Is that an appropriate attitude for a Wikipedian? —] (]) 02:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support for RD''', major figure in the world of mathematics.--] (]) 00:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. A towering figure in 20th century mathematics. And despite the seeming mundanity of "old man does of old age" as a headline, this is actually an important development for mathematics and not just a human interest story, because it could lead to a resolution of the embargo he made on translating and re-releasing his publications, which are still valuable today. —] (]) 02:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*:Cool. When do you plan to clean up the article so it can be placed on the main page? --]''''']''''' 02:42, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
:::David, I do see ] has been adding references, but I do not see you on the edit history. I have quoted from ] in bold on the article's talk page, and given an example of how I would do that with the concept ''pleiotropy'', which is undergrad level biology at best, but can be explained to any secondary schooler who knows what a gene is. I'd be adding references myself, but it's our mathematics wizards who should be doing this, in order to get it right. ] (]) 04:27, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::Oh, do we need credentials to post here? Or is that only a requirement of supporters? I have not done much editing on the main Grothendieck article, but I wrote most of ], one of Grothendieck's contributions (but far from the biggest of those). —] (]) 06:15, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Grothendieck's work is notoriously abstract and hard to grasp, even among professional mathematicians. I doubt that there are any comparable examples in biology; can you think of any idea in biology which is so difficult to understand that it intimidates even professionals? But Grothendieck's major work does, and he didn't introduce just one intimidating idea, he introduced several (nuclear spaces, stacks, topoi, motives, and others). Not because he was intentionally obscure (he took pains to write carefully, building up his foundations slowly and methodically), but because the ideas are so different than anything you've ever encountered before.
::::At one point I wrote one of his ideas one level down. This became the article ]. It's appropriate for a mathematics graduate student. Quite frankly, I don't know how to express it more simply without betraying the technical content. I invite you to look at it, but you won't understand it. Without knowing what a ] and a ] are, it will be incomprehensible, and without some understanding of ] it will be appear to be abstract for abstraction's sake rather than the profound advance that it was. These prerequisite subjects are beyond the scope of most undergraduate mathematics studies; they're usually studied in graduate school.
::::I don't mean to say that the article ] is perfect (it's not). But I do feel that your specific complaint about his mathematical work being made too difficult to understand is unjustified. It just ''is'' difficult to understand. ] (]) 05:12, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::Repeated claims of I can't explain it don't help, I see no attempt at clarification of any terms on the page. Frankly, it's a plea of incompetence. Apparently a topological space is a set of points and an area in which they can move while still following certain rules. Those might not be the technical words, but are they wrong or misleading? ] (]) 05:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::This is wrong ''and'' misleading. There's no concept of area, or of movement. ] (]) 05:46, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support for a RD tag, but no on blurb''' --] (]) 05:17, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
* Posted to RD. The article has been improved. --''']''' 05:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
* Belated support/concurrence for posting to RD. ] (]) 23:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
* Good job to whoever did the referencing work. It's nice, for once, to see the article quality take precedence over other concerns. Thanks to whoever took care of it. --]''''']''''' 02:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


:'''Oppose''' Article is a stub ] (]) 20:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
==== Highest ever ODI cricket score ====
::{{re|Thewetroadinsummer}} Not a stub anymore... Regards, ] 23:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
{{archive top|result=No consensus to post. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 06:47, 18 November 2014 (UTC) }}
:'''Support''': It's bit of a ], but once fixed its good to go. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 07:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|ExclusiveEditor}} I've removed the promotional last paragraph... Regards, ] 00:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::There are few more minor problems in the article which I've tagged, whatsoever I continue supporting it with those. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Posted'''—] (]) 05:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Claude Jarman Jr. ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Claude Jarman Jr.
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = Clibenfoart
| updaters = Clibenfoart
| nom cmt = Oscar-winning 1940s child actor.
| sign = Removed the last "citation needed". --] (]) 11:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' if the Filmography section does not need citations; '''oppose''' if it does. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:I don't know exactly (most of the filmographies here don't have sources), but I've added two sources anyway. --] (]) 16:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—] (]) 05:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 11 ==
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==== Al-Bayda gas station explosion ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Sri Lankan cricket team in India in 2014–15#4th ODI | article = Al-Bayda gas station explosion <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article --> | image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = A ''']''' in ], ] results in 15 deaths and 67 injuries <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| blurb = Indian ] ''']''' 264 ] which is the highest ] score.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. --> | altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Abo Yemen <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator = NG39 <!-- Do NOT change this --> | creator = Noble Attempt<!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Investigations are still ongoing and the article is being updated<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| sign = ''']]''' 16:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign = --''']''' (Used to be '''NickGibson3900''')<sup>''']'''</sup> 04:43, 14 November 2014 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support on notability''' Waiting for updated news. ] (]) 16:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. How does this relate to the same statistic for Cricket World Cup, which is more than double at 673? Is runs the critical metric for Cricket? Why would any of the other records on ] list page not be the critical metric? Is this event/league the defining one for Cricket, and not Twenty20 or Cricket World Cup or any of the others? I remember that a certain American football record did not get posted because it wasn't clear that the record being set was the critical metric of the sport. I think that same principle applies here.] (]) 05:42, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now''' International coverage has been brief so far on this. Will only support if there's confirmation (from a proper source) that this is one of the worst of such incidents in Yemen. ] (]) 18:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:*The 673 figure is an aggregate for the entire tournament, while this one is for a single innings. And, yes 'run' is by far the most crucial metric in cricket. Event/league doesn't matter here because this is a world record set for one particular format of the game. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;] <sub> ] </sub></span> 08:20, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Highest Individual ODI score is by far most prestigious and arguably hardest record to beat (apart from the total career runs that's not going down any time soon). 264 wow and wth -- ]] 05:47, 14 November 2014 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' This is a war zone in various ways and there were hundreds of violent deaths last year. And the article and reports don't make it clear what sort of gas this was -- gasoline, propane, natural gas or what? ]🐉(]) 19:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': As a compromise, how about adding the ] part of ongoing conflicts on the front page, thus removing the need to comment on every event? ] (]) 23:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' now I like this kind of "good news" story but sadly this record has been broken five times in the last five years, so it's not uncommon. Nor is it inconceivable that it could be broken tomorrow (or whenever the next ODI is played) so we'd have to post it again and again and again.... ] (]) 09:14, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*:This isn't part of the war tho, this is a gas station exploding ''']]''' 06:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The record may have been broken 5 times in 5 years, but this time it has been broken by 45 runs, and it seems highly unlikely that anyone will better it, for quite some time. It is also the 2nd highest List A score in history - the highest, Ali Brown's 268, has stood for over 10 years - so we're nearly entering the 'it may not be possible to score any higher' range. ] (]) 09:43, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*:: Neither the article nor the coverage gives any explanation of the cause. It seems quite possible that it was a bomb/missile associated with the civil war or conflict with Israel, West or the Saudis. ]🐉(]) 08:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:"... it seems highly unlikely that anyone will better it ..." what evidence do you have to support this claim? Why couldn't Rohit beat it in his next innings? ] (]) 09:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not notable enough for blurb because it is a war zone. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*: To use an analogy, suppose a golfer broke the record for the lowest 4 round score by a significant margin - the score was 20% lower than the previous record - would it be logical to believe the same record could be beaten again anytime soon, seeing as the old record was bested by an unusually large margin. In other words, Rohit's record is an outlier (just as the golf record would be), as it is 20% larger than the previous record; his 264 is not a normal record progression - it would be akin to the 100m world record dropping from 9.7 seconds to 9.5.] (]) 12:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' as the article just isn't there. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The golf record is a bad analogy, because golf is limited in its scoring by the number of holes. You cannot score an infinitely lower score; you literally cannot score lower than 18. In cricket, there is no practical limit to how high the score can rise. A sufficiently skilled batsman playing against a sufficiently bad, uninterested, or demoralized team could score forever. --]''''']''''' 12:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*:::So basically this also eliminates from comparison sports that are timed (basketball and any code of football), while only allowing sports that could literally go on forever like baseball, tennis and volleyball? –''']]]''' 13:14, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*::::I haven't eliminated anything, with regards to posting, nor have I opposed this posting. I've merely pointed out the inappropriateness of an analogy. I'm officially undecided on this one. I just don't like letting bad logic go without correction. --]''''']''''' 13:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*:::::What I meant was you can't compare this "record" to anything from those sports. –''']]]''' 13:20, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*::::::Probably not. It's also difficult to compare to baseball, as a single batter in baseball doesn't face consecutive pitches once they have hit the ball, the way that it happens in cricket. FWIW, if I recall correctly, we did post an ITN item for that ridiculously long tennis match a few years back. ] confirms that. --]''''']''''' 13:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*:::::::A baseball batter can still face the same pitcher if the pitcher is not replaced after the entire order was finished in one inning... that's not very common. So basically, this can't be compared to anything, which means we'd rely on cricket people to assess how important this is. This is a single match record, right? ITN doesn't usually post single-match records in team sports, preferring career records in a very select sports. –''']]]''' 13:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*::::::::Cricket matches cannot go on for ever. In this case it was a ODI where each team is limited to 50 overs, so the theoretical maximum score for a single batsman would be 50 (overs) × 6 (balls per over) × 6 (runs per ball) = 1800 (extras don't get added to the batsman's score). However the batsman would need to change ends on the last ball of the over to retain the strike (which doesn't happen when a boundary is scored) they would have to run an odd number of runs (running more than 3 is uncommon, so we'll say 5 for practical purposes) which means 50 x 5 x 6 + 50 x 1 x 5 = 1750. Scoring 6 sixes in an over has only been achieved 7 times in professional cricket (]) and never more than once by any one player. No player has ever (afaict) faced every ball of an innings (201/300 is the record ), and the highest ever team score in an ODI innings is 443 . Test matches are also time limited (5 days), but there are restrictions on the number of overs in each session and at least three innings (usually 4) need to have been completed to get a result (and once you've won you stop playing) so for practical purposes the number of runs scoreable is finite. ] (]) 15:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*:::::::::Actually, 1800 is theoretically possible, but it would require the batsman's team mate to score an odd number of runs off a no ball bowled as the first ball of every over (except the first over) - this would basically require the cooperation of the opposition to achieve. ] (]) 21:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*::::::::::Actually, isn't infinity theoretically possible if bowlers continue to bowl no balls which are struck for ones/two/threes/fours/*fives!*/sixes etc? ] (]) 21:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*:::::::::::''Very'' theoretically but only if the bowlers weren't suspended for dangerous bowling or time wasting (see ]). ] (]) 05:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*::::::::::::Yes, of course, my "infinite" score is about as likely as your 1800 though. ] (]) 06:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*:::::::::::::Being ''extremely'' pedantic I'd say 1800 is more likely than your scenario as it doesn't require the non-applying of rules. In any other scenario than extreme pedantry though they are as equally far fetched as each other! ] (]) 20:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''. I like cricket, but this record doesn't really seem that significant. Our readers are likely to be underwhelmed by the story, which just isn't that interesting. If this was a ] record then I would support, but ODIs aren't even the top form of the game. ] ] 11:29, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' An astonishing innings, but while this is a important record it is by no means the most significant one in cricket. Test cricket remains the most prestigious form of the game - and, if anything, one-day cricket is losing ground to 20/20. Records such as the highest test innings, most career test runs, or most wickets in a career or a test are all more significant. ] (]) 11:35, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because we forgot Peyton Manning ... In all seriousness, while this is by all accounts an impressive record, ITN has historically been loathe to post individual sports records, with very few exceptions.--] (]) 13:17, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. It's been broken five times in five years. We don't usually post sports records that get broken with such frequency. ] 17:01, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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== November 13 == ==== RD: Qiu Dahong ====
{{ITN candidate
{{cot|]}}
| article = Qiu Dahong
{|{{Portal:Current events/2014 November 13}}
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Could do with an infobox but otherwise article looks well referenced and long enough, although expansion would be welcome. Cannot comment on the quality of the references though as they are all in Chinese.
| sign = ] (]) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' Article is closer to the stubbier side of things, I'm afraid. Additional expansion would be helpful. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*Could we please have more eyes on this? The bio looks fine to me. ''']]''' 16:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Fereydoon Shahbazyan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Fereydoon Shahbazyan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Article looks comprehensive however sources may need to be checked on quality, however most are in Persian. If that passes then article looks fine otherwise.
| sign = ] (]) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' Compositions section needs sourcing, and there are a few dodgy sources nonetheless (such as amazon.com being one of them). Cleanup on that end would be really helpful. Ping once completed. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

== January 10 ==
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{{cob}} {{cob}}
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==== Luxembourg Leaks ==== ==== RD: Félix Mantilla (baseball) ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Luxembourg Leaks | article = Félix Mantilla (baseball)
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article --> <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| sources = https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/original-mets-shortstop-felix-mantilla-passes-away-at-90-logan9 <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| blurb = The ''']''' make 28,000 pages that document tax avoidance schemes negotiated between Luxembourg and more than 340 corporations available to the public.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | updated = y<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters = Jkaharper <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| altblurb = Luxembourg Leaks: Tax Avoidance of Global Companies Exposed
| sign = Félix Mantilla 03:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sources = , ,, ,
}}
*'''Oppose''':  . {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 05:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Frank Cicutto ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Frank Cicutto
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Happily888
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| updaters = Happily888
| nominator = Neudabei <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt =
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| sign = ] (]) 07:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| note = My proposal is to relocate this suggestion as soon as the section November 14 exists.
| nom cmt = The Luxembourg Leaks continue to be on the news globally for several days now
| sign = --] (]) 20:46, 13 November 2014 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Oppose''' Article is too stubby for Main Page recognition. Please add more info to the article to increase its length! Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*Why do you wish to post it under a different date? ] (]) 21:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Posted''', not a stub at all. ]] 02:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I might have confused date of suggestion with date of publication. It's a strange technical environment to me here! Sorry -- ] (]) 21:09, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' but need a much better blurb because the original blurb is terrible. ] article very interesting should find a way to link that in an alt blurb. ] (]) 21:46, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' no rationale is given, but the article consists of a large list of red links that seems to be an unreferenced attack page disguised as a description of web shaming. There's a POV that businesses should pay as much tax as possible. The article should probably be afd'ed and this certainly doesn't belong on ITN. ''Neu dabei'' shouldn't be discouraged from future nominations, but we don't even have an event or a blurb in sentence form. ] (]) 21:50, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - but better blurb is needed.--] (]) 21:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''AfD''' the article consists of vague syntheses accusing a former PM of having been "in office" and naming a non-notable individual and dozens of corporations, most of which are redlinks, implying some sort of misdealing while an explicit source says that none of the countries violated the laws of Luxembourg. Without specific sources saying the specific companies have actually been charged with criminal activity, the whole exercise amounts to defaming private persons and businesses that would have every right to sue for the implications as the article is written. I have deleted the list of companies, since the website itself is the source, and deleted the non-notable private individual, we shouldn't be using WP to encourage personal attacks against him. ] (]) 22:43, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
**Please ''do not oppose and nominate an AfD'' at the same time as that's a conflict of interest. Now you have effectively blocked this item from going up till Afd has been taken care of. this is more of an unwritten rule as we specifically created a rule to avoid this happening once item is on main page. I guess we should have done that for ITN/C as well. -- ]] 04:54, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''support''' – smaller luxLeaks are four years old, but four years ago the released documents were few, and the term luxembourg leaks didn't exist. now all luxLeak papers have been published by several media, and the scandal is putting a shock wave through the european parliament. the article has a few issues but is pretty solid for a current affairs topic. i recommend a bit of copy editing to streamline the sentences. the deletion request looks a bit odd to me and might irritate visitors/readers. ] (]) 22:53, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Note'''. I have closed the AfD as a Snow keep. No reason for deletion was actually given, and no support for the deletion was forthcoming (naturally, as this is a huge story in Europe). ] (]) 08:58, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
:::*It's not only a huge story in Europe: Global enterprises and global media organizations are involved. (E.g. Amazon, Caterpillar are headquartered in the US.) Plus money travells fast with very little travel expenses. -- ] (]) 09:16, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' just because Junker is in the discussion and the position he occupies. ] (]) 09:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''proposal for blurb''': The ''']''' make 28,000 pages that document ] negotiated between ] and more than 340 corporations available to the public. -- ] (]) 15:28, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This certainly seems important enough to post. I'm not a fan of the proposed blurb, though. I'd rather we use the one proposed by Neudabei above. ] 17:05, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*This is a great improvement compared to the previous outright defamation and implications of negligence. But the whole issue still amounts to soapboxing and the shaming of companies against which no criminal or civil charges have been filed. (If I am wrong, let's have the refs and nominate the individual stories when we have a ''verdict''.) So we would basically be promoting a stub on the assumption that companies should want to pay more taxes than they have to when loopholes exist. We are not a mirror site for wikileaks and nor should we be a portal for this POV-based stub. Until there's a verdict and a good, neutral article, this belongs nowhere near the front page. ] (]) 05:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' Agreed, from neutral pov: "soapboxing... promoting on the assumption that companies should want to pay more taxes than they have to...not a mirror site for wikileaks and nor should we be a portal for this POV-based stub." Noted that stub now improved by removal of unsuitable content. --] (]) 08:06, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::*'''Comment'''The article is an article now - no stub. The pov issues have been solved. -- ] (]) 09:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


==== Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup bid ==== ==== RD: José Jiménez ====
{{archive top|snow close as disinterested editor; obviously no support ] (]) 21:11, 13 November 2014 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup bid | article = José Jiménez (activist)
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources =
| image =
| blurb = ''']''' is cleared of bribery allegations by ].
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = , ,
| updated = no | updated = no
| nominator = Happily888
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| updaters = Erksahin
| nominator = NG39 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt =
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| sign = ] (]) 07:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign = --''']''' (Used to be '''NickGibson3900''')<sup>''']</sup>''' 09:30, 13 November 2014 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Oppose''' The only person in the world who believes that no bribery occurred is the FIFA mouthpiece, and that's only because he's paid to. The WP front page is not FIFA's mouthpiece. ] (]) 10:05, 13 November 2014 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Article is orange tagged and is in dire need of citations. Please fix! Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because the status quo did not change(they still have the Cup). ] (]) 11:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Headlines that read "People who were bribed to say they weren't bribed do what they were bribed to do" aren't news. They're the expected course of business. --]''''']''''' 11:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - and I would oppose even if this was an independent inquiry. As 331dot says, it's not a change to the status quo. ] 16:56, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Jayron32 says it very well. ] (]) 17:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per just about every reason above. --] (]) 18:44, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' "Corrupt organization remains corrupt, and yet people will still tune in and the corrupt organization will make more money." &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 18:48, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
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==== (Posted) RD: Milan Feranec ====
==References==
{{ITN candidate
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| article = Milan Feranec
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = History6042 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = GiantSnowman<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Czech politician.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] '''(])''' 15:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' Article has 172 words, and is not nearly long enough for Main Page recognition. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 19:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*:What is considered a good length? ] '''(])''' 19:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Per ]: {{tqi|Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items. Stub articles are never appropriate for the main page.}} ] (] &#124; ]) 06:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Oh, thank you. I will '''withdraw''' this nomination then. ] '''(])''' 11:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::RD nominations do not need to be withdrawn, they can stay open until it rolls off after the 7 day period expires. The subject's article in is pretty filled out, so it shouldn't be too difficult. ] (]) 09:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''', not the longest article, but expanded beyond a stub. ]] 02:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Sam Moore ====
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| article = Sam Moore<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| updaters = Connormah<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = American soul singer-songwriter and half of ].<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 07:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Orange tagged for sourcing, and with good reason. The entire first few sections are completely uncited. Please fix! Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Shiu Ka-chun ====
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{{ITN candidate
| article = Shiu Ka-chun<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Artur-Bukow, TNM101<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Hong Kong activist and former legislator. One paragraph needs a citation, otherwise the article is fine <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 07:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Weak oppose'''</s> Some citations/length issues that are ultimately very minor. Shouldn't be too hard to fix. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] I have cited the last paragraph, is there anything left to be addressed? ''']''' (]) 14:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@], looks good to me. '''Support''', as the article looks good. Thank you for sourcing! Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 00:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Inauguration of Nicolas Maduro ====
{{atop|result=Good faith nom, but consensus to post will not form. {{NAC}} <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 13:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2024 Venezuelan political crisis <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Nicolás Maduro in 2023 (cropped).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = ] ''(pictured)'' is inaugurated for a third term as ] amidst ] aggravated after the controversial results of the ].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = A major event of the crisis. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 17:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Oppose''' Again, the ITNR was the actual election, which was nominated but never got to the quality needed to post. Inaugerations are not a second chance for missing an ITNR election. --] (]) 17:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*:But the inauguration of ] was posted too… The circumstances of this Venezuelan event do not seem to differ greatly from those in Georgia. ] (]) 17:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The situation in Georgia was far different (coupled with protests), compared to where Maduro's been sitting for several terms and the issue remains how free the election results are. Here it would be like announcing Putin's next inauguration, while everyone questions the results of said "election", the inauguration is an inevitable result from that, and that election is still the ITNR. ] (]) 17:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::There is no a ], but yes a Georgian and Venezuelan ones. ] (]) 18:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. "Dictator is sworn in following stolen election. In other news, the sun is expected to rise in the east and set in the west this weekend." -] (]) 19:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*:😂😂😂 ] (]) 21:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We don't post inaugurations. ''']''' (]) 20:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''oppose''' Edmundo Gonzalez said he would enter Venezuela and sworn as well. That would have been newsworthy, a story with more than just "X is inaugurated". Alas, it did not happen, so it was just Maduro doing his thing. ] (]) 22:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We don’t post inaugurations that formalise election results.--] (]) 00:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
::Does that include Trump's inauguration? ] (]) 00:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Of course. I’ll oppose that one as well if it gets nominated.--] (]) 00:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per nom. We don't post inaugurations of ], ], etc. ] (]) 04:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - he's already president. ] (]) 06:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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==References==
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Section size for Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates (54 sections)
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count		 Section
total
(Top) 359 359
Archives 157 157
Sections 263 263
January 17 170 170
RD: Denis Law 837 837
RD: Joan Plowright 1,042 1,042
January 16 122 122
(Removed) California fires to ongoing 5,919 5,919
New Glenn launch 7,677 7,677
(Posted) RD/Blurb: David Lynch 9,595 9,595
(Posted) RD: Bob Uecker 2,573 2,573
January 15 123 123
RD: Tommy Brown (baseball) 1,497 1,497
RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi 984 984
RD: Stephanie Aeffner 2,181 2,181
RD: Diane Langton 573 573
RD: Linda Nolan 574 574
RD: Jack Hoffman 1,019 1,019
Israel-Hamas ceasefire 21,023 21,023
(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest 17,288 17,288
January 14 122 122
RD: Furio Colombo 1,733 1,733
RD: Heinz Kluetmeier 3,252 3,252
RD: Tony Slattery 965 965
RD: Simon Townsend 1,611 1,611
January 13 122 122
RD: Bram Van Paesschen 467 467
RD: Elgar Howarth 889 889
(Posted) RD: Walter Deutsch 1,289 1,289
RD: Niel Barnard 1,968 1,968
(Posted) RD: Tony Book 926 926
(Posted) Lebanese prime minister 5,886 5,886
RD: Oliviero Toscani 1,370 1,370
2025 Prayag Kumbh Mela 17,293 17,293
RD: Leslie Charleson 2,362 2,362
January 12 122 122
RD: William P. Dixon 1,179 1,179
2024 Chadian parliamentary election results 9,314 9,314
2024–25 Croatian presidential election 6,111 6,111
(Posted) RD: Hasjim Djalal 1,371 1,371
(Posted) RD: Claude Jarman Jr. 1,111 1,111
January 11 122 122
Al-Bayda gas station explosion 4,076 4,076
RD: Qiu Dahong 1,158 1,158
RD: Fereydoon Shahbazyan 936 936
January 10 122 122
RD: Félix Mantilla (baseball) 709 709
(Posted) RD: Frank Cicutto 837 837
RD: José Jiménez 751 751
(Posted) RD: Milan Feranec 2,500 2,500
RD: Sam Moore 1,196 1,196
(Posted) RD: Shiu Ka-chun 1,968 1,968
(Closed) Inauguration of Nicolas Maduro 5,239 5,239
References 830 830
Total 153,883 153,883

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  • BP announces that it is laying off 4,700 employees and a further 3,000 contractors across its global workforce as part of a cost-cutting drive. (AP)

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RD: Denis Law

Article: Denis Law (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Guardian
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Record goalscorer for Manchester United and the Scotland national team, Ballon d'Or winner (1964). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Joan Plowright

Article: Joan Plowright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 wizzito | say hello! 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Removed) California fires to ongoing

Article: January 2025 Southern California wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I've added fires to ongoing as they were pushed off by David Lynch. Discuss whether that's appropriate below. Stephen 22:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Could the wildfires be moved to Ongoing? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
@MtPenguinMonster they already have. The Kip 00:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose the fires may be ongoing but the rate of destruction has significantly flattened out as well as deaths. There may be potential fir a damaging flare up but we're on the backend of that story, which doesn't make it great for the ongoing line, particularly given what else is in ongoing. Masem (t) 00:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Pull from ongoing No fire weather days in the forecast for southern California, and everything that would be burned has been. Containment takes a while, but fires burn through their fuel, and most of these fire's fuel is gone, and you can expect very little updates from here except for records to be broken and various celebrities revealing their homes have / have not been destroyed by the fires. Departure– (talk) 00:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

New Glenn launch

Article: New Glenn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few Super heavy-lift launch vehicles. 109.166.233.124 (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

@109.166.233.124 Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. SpectralIon 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@SpectralIon: I took care of fixing the nom. The Kip 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@The Kip Alright, then I would say Support on Notability since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --SpectralIon 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, weak support on quality. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. Modest Genius 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    Nitpick, but there was no payload deployment. The payload stayed attached to the upper stage. Ergzay (talk) 02:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment and support on notability. There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --Ouro (blah blah) 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Quality is adequate The Kip 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that soft support as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. Scuba 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - a huge advance given how large this rocket is, and particularly the payload volume. Of particular note with this (first) launch is that it is orbital - something that Starship is yet to achieve. Only SLS can currently put a larger payload into orbit.(Falcon Heavy is relatively similar on mass, but is severely constrained on payload volume in comparison. Nfitz (talk) 21:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - Major development in spaceflight. Competitor of Starship & SLS. Successful orbital insertion, RIP stage 1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not a major development in spaceflight. Not a competitor to Starship or SLS either in size or capability. The rocket is a heavy launcher not a super heavy launcher. There are already partially reusable rockets. This is another partially reusable rocket, but it didn't succeed its landing so its not partially reusable yet. Also there's no page dedicated to the launch. Also the nominator's comments are factually incorrect. ULA's Vulcan rocket already reached orbit and that is also a methalox rocket. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergzay (talk • contribs)
It's a huge development, User:Ergzay. How many Starship ITNs have been posted, and the damn thing hasn't even achieved orbit yet. And why claim it's not a competitor to Starship and SLS? The turnaround on an SLS launch, even years from now, is measured in years. New Glenn is measured in weeks, with several more launches scheduled this year - the next one to the moon. And with the massive fairing size, and the lack of obstructions in the fairing compared to Starship, this can launch stuff that Starship can't. Not to mention Starship hasn't actually achieved orbit yet - so yes, this is ahead of Starship. Nfitz (talk) 17:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Failing to see what's particularly revolutionary about this launch. Slightly bigger, slightly more reusable, slightly different fuel. Ho hum, we don't need to post every incremental change in rocket technology. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability. We posted milestones for both Starship and Falcon 9, and we do so for new public-funded (i.e. government made) rockets. There is absolutely no reason to do the same here. Spaceflight is not yet so "mainstream" that new entrants are not "in the news" when they meet milestones such as first orbital launch. I defer to others on article quality and whether it's improved enough to post at this time. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 02:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Interesting news... However, i feel that it falls short of being ITN. Tradedia 03:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Per Nfitz, nom and The Kip. Jusdafax (talk) 05:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose There seems to have a lot of space news lately including a spacewalk, a double lunar launch, a starship launch, a multiple satellite launch by China and so on. This event doesn't seem to stand out. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose on notability, not apparent that this is a major development of general interest LocoTacoFever (talk) 14:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose on notability per DarkSide830, and only a single prose update. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 15:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD/Blurb: David Lynch

Proposed image Article: David Lynch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American filmmaker David Lynch dies at the age of 78. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Jon698 (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bob Uecker

Article: Bob Uecker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Weak support: Article is mostly fine but is missing a few inline citations. MT(710) 16:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    Still working to expand and source between meetings today. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - with Muboshgu's work, the article looks solid. There's an intriguing dark horse argument for a blurb here, as Uecker reached the pinnacle of his profession (radio baseball broadcasting, although he broke outside that on numerous occasions). That said, I'm not confident it's enough. Ed  23:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Limit g the profession to "baseball radio broadcasting" is far too narrow, I would expect that it would be at least sportscasters or even journalism, and he definitely is not a major figure. It's very easy to think a local beloved personality (here for Milkwalkie as well as in baseball) may be a great figure but we should think at the scope of worldwide aspects of said field. — Masem (t) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

January 15

Portal:Current events/2025 January 15
January 15, 2025 (2025-01-15) (Wednesday)

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RD: Tommy Brown (baseball)

Article: Tommy Brown (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Youngest position player in MLB history at 16. Article has referencing issues. Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Fixed, article title is at (baseball). Natg 19 (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi

Article: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ETV Urdu, The Observer Post
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

An Indian Islamic scholar, writer, and the secretary of Nadwatul Ulama at the time of his death. Khaatir (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Stephanie Aeffner

Article: Stephanie Aeffner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spiegel Zeit
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German Member of Parliament TNM101 (chat) 07:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Diane Langton

Article: Diane Langton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English actress, singer and dancer – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Linda Nolan

Article: Linda Nolan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish singer and television personality – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jack Hoffman

Article: Jack Hoffman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Omaha World-Herald, ESPN
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is in good shape. –DMartin 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Israel-Hamas ceasefire

Article: Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ceasefire agreement is reached to halt the Israel–Hamas war (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel and Hamas agree to a three-phase ceasefire proposal to end their 15 months of conflict.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

 Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong support on notability About time. Departure– (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
I'll also add oppose on quality for now - article is insufficiently updated as it stands (given the news broke minutes ago). Departure– (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Added altblurb. Departure– (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Departure– are you sure this agreement is to "end" the war or merely to "halt" it? VR (Please ping on reply) 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
It won't end the war necessarily, but it'll end the 15 months of conflict (since 7 October, anyway). Departure– (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Right, so the word "end" might not be appropriate.VR (Please ping on reply) 18:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak support on article quality, support on notability - A ceasefire agreement in what is probably the largest current geopolitical conflict currently ongoing is important stuff. Quality seems OK, just needs to be updated. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
I believe you've mixed up your votes, @Wildfireupdateman ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Oops Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
changed :) Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability for obvious reasons, but weak oppose on quality as the article needs to be updated. The Kip 17:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Prefer the original blurb over ALT1 as well, given there were more parties to the deal than just Israel and Hamas + there's (unfortunately) no guarantee this permanently ends the war. Do feel the hostage release should be somehow noted, though. The Kip 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Temporarily changing to Wait per Modest Genius - neither Israel, nor Hamas, nor any of the mediators have formally announced the deal yet. Let's pump the brakes until that happens. The Kip 17:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    The USA’s now confirmed the deal, but I’m remaining at wait until it formally goes into effect The Kip 20:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait to get the article(s) in shape. Obviously this is a major development and I support on notability, but it was announced leaked literally a few minutes ago. We now have separate articles on Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal (which is still presented as only a proposal) and 2025 exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners, which should be the bold link but focuses on the hostage exchange rather than the ceasefire and needs to include some reaction. It should probably also be renamed. ITN should let that article settle down a bit rather than rushing to post - we're not a news ticker. Modest Genius 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Correction: after reading more of the media reports, it appears the existence of a deal has been leaked to the press and posted on social media, but it hasn't been officially announced by either Israel or Hamas and the terms of the deal remain opaque. That's even more reason to wait. Modest Genius 17:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Another update: it has now been announced that the ceasefire will begin on 19 Jan. So we should wait until then to post, which also gives time for the articles to be sorted out. Modest Genius 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    According to the Wall Street Journal, this is an "agreement to the outline" of the deal that was leaked. There will be 24-48 hours before it is finalized. It's major news, but an alternative blurb with attribution is necessary. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 17:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Support on notability, noting that yet another article was created at 2025 Israel–Hamas ceasefire, meaning a merge should definitely be considered. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait Cannot jump the gun here, the article as of now begins with "is a proposed" i.e. not official and not announced by either party. A prisoner exchange is apparently official but the significance lies in the broader ceasefire agreement not the exchange itself. We can and should wait till this is official. Gotitbro (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait, but if nothing changes for one hour promote this quickly. JayCubby 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait - We aren't a news ticker. No need to keep trying to throw breaking news up on the main page as fast as possible. We should be waiting for more developments to come out. ✈ mike_gigs contribs 18:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    .....this is a section called In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    For featuring quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to perform the functions of a newspaper. Quality can't be there until more terms of the ceasefire are known. Masem (t) 20:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    And now it looks like Israel and Hamas are quarreling over the final details of the ceasefire, holding up its approval. ITN is here to highlight quality articles about current events. No article can be of main page quality if it’s an hour old - and people saying things like “post this breaking story to the main page immediately” don’t seem to understand that. ✈ mike_gigs contribs 11:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose declaring a ceasefire and holding a successful ceasefire are two very different things; they can announce a ceasefire multiple times in various ways and combinations and agree on anything they like, but it will be meaningless until the ceasefire agreement actually results in one; given how few ceasefires hold and how volatile this particular situation is, this isn't much more than pure politics at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    WP:CRYSTAL. We can’t presume ourselves that the ceasefire will or won’t hold. The Kip 19:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    I do think there's a case for waiting until the ceasefire enters into effect. Modest Genius 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Modest Genius I fully agree, hence why I struck my initial vote and changed to Wait - I’m just saying that I think it’s CRYSTAL to oppose posting it because it might not hold once in effect. The Kip 20:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Agreed. Modest Genius 20:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait, then support upon confirmation of the agreement by Israel If signed by both sides, this is monumental. Responding to Abcmaxx, only the signing of an agreement itself, not it celebrating its future hypothetical six month or one year anniversary, is the type of thing we can post at ITN. We don't post anniversaries. This ceasefire agreement is also the first time Israel has acceded to a mass release of Palestinian prisoners and the first time they have agreed to a path towards a permanent end to the current war. That is extremely notable, even if it ends up dissolving after a few weeks. WP:CRYSTAL also applies here - political theorizations that this is doomed to fail because within x y or z number of days do not negate notability. FlipFlopped ツ 19:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    I understand the WP:CRYSTAL arguments however politicians promise lots of things all the time but very rarely deliver. We should have some proof that this ceasefire agreement is actually meaningful in some other way than some grand words and crossed fingers. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Grand words and crossed fingers are what goes in ITN. doesn't matter if somehow it fails.
    See, the reason we nominate this for ITN because it is breaking news. Not because its a landmark, commitment to peace, etc. ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 08:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait/Support for the deal going into effect. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support notable and major event
QalasQalas (talk) 20:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait per Angusgtw, and also per article quality. I'd only heard of this a few minutes ago and when I went to read the article it was not satisfactory to sate my curiosity about the actual agreement that happened on 15 January. /home/gracen/ (they/them) 16:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait Notable, but it's not 100% confirmed yet (Israeli cabinet needs to agree). Bremps... 18:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

*Support. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

See rule 1 of WP:ITNCDONT. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Ok. Pachu Kannan (talk) 11:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Temporarily changing to Wait per Hawkeye7. Pachu Kannan (talk) 11:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
That would be true, if it wasn't already listed in ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 17:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest

Article: Arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested after his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested in a standoff involving over 3000 police officers.
News source(s): https://www.chosun.com/national/court_law/2025/01/15/YE7U73ANOJEUFPXBYEFD72XO5U/
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Nominator's comments: First time in South Korean history a president got arrested, or even received an arrest warrant. Ca 01:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Support on notability Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Support as his arrest is the first of a sitting (albeit suspended) president in South Korean history. This event is noteworthy enough in its own right, independent of his impeachment in December (which has already happened twice before) Prince Of Iso (talk) 04:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Unlike Impeachment of prime minister Han Duck-soo, this is direct consequence of the Martial Law declaration. He would not have been arrested if he attended any summons he received, but if he were the kind of person to attend the summon, then he wouldn't have declared the Martial Law. Didgogns (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support We posted the arrest of Trump, I can't see how this is fundamentally different from that. Also to be noted here are the multiple attempts to evade arrest by Yoon, including with the help of his presidential guard. Gotitbro (talk) 06:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Yoon has already been impeached, the arrest a formality in completing the process. Trump has not been convicted, but it was being indicted that was the story, the necessary arrest and booking a part of that. Effectively, this is like posting an inauguration after we already posted the election results; its part of the process and not the newsworthy part of the process. Masem (t) 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support -- a sitting head of government being arrested should always satisfy ITN criteria, in my opinion. --Rockstone 06:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per Trump precedent This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. Secondly, he's been already impeached for the illegal declaration of martial law, so the arrest warrant was a highly anticipated logical consequence. Thirdly, he's no longer sitting president as he was impeached a month ago. Fourthly, posting Trump's arrest was a mistake, and I don't think it should be used as a precedent. We don't really need to post every single development in the story. Let's wait to see if he gets convicted, and then we can post it as a conclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. In common English usage, "arrest" means "a detention during which one is not legally free to stroll out the door at any time one chooses"—it has nothing to do with whether one walks into a law enforcement office and surrenders to law enforcement vs being tackled while on the run by half a dozen officers and cuffed and shackled while helicopters circle overhead. It is quite common in "non-violent crimes" (like financial "white-collar crimes") for law enforcement to communicate back and forth with a suspect's legal counsel and mutually agree upon a time/place for the suspect to present themselves for arrest, vs smashing the door down at 1 AM. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support A major event of the Korean crisis. ArionStar (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per above, still important. Sahaib (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Culmination of a two-week standoff where Yoon has been using his presidential security and supporters to resist arrest. Describing this as "voluntary" is disingenuous, since Yoon himself said that he "voluntarily" decided to surrender after watching a 3,000 strong police contingent dismantle the barricades his security team put up and use ladders to infiltrate the compound, and insisted that the whole thing was unconstitutional. Also, it's very big worldwide news, and a historic first for a sitting president in the country. -- Patar knight - /contributions 12:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    He's no longer a sitting president after his impeachment, so your last sentence is factually incorrect.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    Kind of. He can still return to power depending on the Constitutional Court decision. Ca 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    He still holds the office, he just has essentially zero power unless the Constitutional Court ruling rules in his favour. -- Patar knight - /contributions 19:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support This should actually be added due to the fact that this might be the first on record president of the Republic of Korea to be arrested, and plus @Ca is right, he can return to power. So he is technically still the president and this standoff led to an arrest. Shaneapickle (talk) 13:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong support altblurb 2 - not just the arrest. The standoff at Yoon Suk Yeol's residence is much of the story, not his ultimate arrest. A president of a major nation having a 13-day standoff with law enforcement of his own country to me seems extremely ITN-worthy. Departure– (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • "Sitting head of government arrested" seems notable enough, and is something "in the news" internationally. Suggest modification on altblurb: "South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol is arrested following a 13-day standoff." Keep it pithy, if people want more details that's what the links are for.
Note on linking: the prez bio article is currently titled Yoon Suk Yeol. Main Page links should reflect WP-canonical Romanization, so make sure to change that presuming the title is the "right" one. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - very notable, sitting president arrested
Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

January 14

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January 14, 2025 (2025-01-14) (Tuesday)

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RD: Furio Colombo

Article: Furio Colombo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Messaggero Notizie
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian journalist and politician. Article is a bit short but I believe enough for RD. Can't comment on the sources used TNM101 (chat) 14:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Heinz Kluetmeier

Article: Heinz Kluetmeier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Athletic
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Nominator's comments: German-born American photographer noted for the Sports Illustrated cover of the Miracle on Ice. rawmustard (talk) 03:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Tony Slattery

Article: Tony Slattery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British comedian, best known for being on the original uk Whose Line is it Anyway?. Several unsourced and cn tags on article. Masem (t) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Simon Townsend

Article: Simon Townsend (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/simon-townsend-has-died-journalist-tv-presenter/104818750
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Nominator's comments: Australian journalist, and conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, who spent time in prison, then later became host of a very popular childrens TV show, Simon Townsend's Wonder World. HiLo48 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

January 13

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January 13, 2025 (2025-01-13) (Monday)

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RD: Bram Van Paesschen

Article: Bram Van Paesschen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): sabzian.be
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Nominator's comments: Belgian documentary filmmaker, editor, and lecturer. Death announced 13 January. Thriley (talk) 21:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Elgar Howarth

Article: Elgar Howarth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
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Nominator's comments: Versatile English trumpeter, composer and conductor, who conducted many world premieres, including Ligeti's Le Grand Macabre and four operas by Harrison Birtwistle, and who played trumpet fanfares for The Beatles. The article was already quite developed and sourced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Walter Deutsch

Article: Walter Deutsch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Österreichisches Volksliedwerk
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Austrian musicologist focused on folk music, leading a university institute in Vienna from 1965 to 1993 and making folk music popular on radio and television from 1967, collecting material for both purposes. He was 101. - The article and the references were there but not yet connected ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Niel Barnard

Article: Niel Barnard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News24 IOL
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Nominator's comments: South African intelligence chief. Article is of good length TNM101 (chat) 15:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Support on quality, but only if somebody could confirm the book Shaking Hands with Billy is a reliable source. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 07:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tony Book

Article: Tony Book (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/14/tony-book-manchester-city-dies-aged-90
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Article updated
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 03:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Lebanese prime minister

Article: Nawaf Salam (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nawaf Salam is chosen to be the next prime minister of Lebanon (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Lebanon's Prime Minister is the ITNR position for the country (administers the executive in the country), so discussions shouldn't focus on notability but only article quality. However, I think this should probably be merged with the current blurb about the new president, since those two events are very related, unless people have objections to that. DecafPotato (talk) 21:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Wait, then Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support merge with president blurb into something like "Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister". This is important enough for ITN because it is a surprise reformist prime minister naming that angers Hezbollah (Reuters, Al Jazeera, France 24). Tradedia 21:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Both the article Nawaf Salam and prime minister of Lebanon need to better sourced, and have inline citations. Multiple CN tags. Support merging --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment: I added altblurb that does not link to any new article (but just augments the blurb we already have) in case the new articles are not ready in terms of quality, we can just modify the old blurb as we wait for quality to improve. Tradedia 12:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support merged blurb, but comment Just easiest to add Salam as PM to existing blurb without worring about quality of Salam's article, however, I do note that that leaves the current featured article about the election absent any discussion of the PM selection (Aoun's article and Salam's article of course have it). I don't think that that lack is a bad thing (this election is very much its own version of an IAR situations) so it should be okay to just amend without haven't any adjustment to the featured article. Masem (t) 13:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Support merge @SpectralIon @Ion.want.uu @ExclusiveEditor I have resolved the citation issues. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
@Prodrummer619: There are still few CN tags. If your didn't find a source for them, then we can remove those statements and move forward. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
@ExclusiveEditor Woops. It Should've been done in a second edit but it didn't go though due to an error. Can you check now Prodrummer619 (talk) 14:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Looks fine now, I've changed to support. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Oliviero Toscani

Article: Oliviero Toscani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Famous photographer EvergreenFir (talk) 19:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Could be expanded from Italian with sources, would be very good candidate then for sure. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 06:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Prayag Kumbh Mela

Article: 2025 Prayag Kumbh Mela (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Maha Kumbh Mela, a major Hindu festival, begins in Prayagraj, India (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Beginning of a once-in-144 years festival (the Kumbh Mela occurs every 12 years, with a larger Maha iteration each 144 years). The Guardian expects more than 400 million people to attend this year’s festivities. C-class article exists but could be improved. LukeSurl 11:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

With Hinduism time cycles being infinitely fractal or almost is there a Super Maha Kumbh Mela every 12^3 yrs? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment: The article has now been copyedited. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 15:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment I have added a tag to the article, since it contains words like "mystical" and "sophisticated" TNM101 (chat) 17:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Weak support - but I have also raised a query on the talk page, about this '144 years' claim. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
    Jupiter's orbit is more precisely 4,332.59d (assuming sidereal like their astrology not tropical) so seems like it should be 143 about 34.7% of the time else 142 but I don't know how it's scheduled i.e. is it always the same season? Sidereal yr or tropical? Is starting ~Full Moon ending ~last crescent or ~New Moon coincidence or lunar/lunisolar calendar? (12x4332.59 (~11.862yr) is ~146.715 pure (nonlunisolar) lunar yrs so that's not where 144 comes from) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
If you look at the talk page, you will see the specific queries I'm raising. Basically it amounts to (1) wasn't the 2013 Prayag Kumbh Mela described at the time as a Maha Kumbh Mela? (2) is there anything in sources about the 1882 (eg 143 years ago) Prayag Kumbh Mela to show that it was distinctive in the way that the current one is claimed to be? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Reading news reporting, it seems like the event’s size and significance arguably owes more to 21st century Indian sociopolitical trends rather than ancient calendar cycles. This can be discussed in the article - the blurb is deliberately simple. Regardless, this is a very large event that is in the news. LukeSurl 23:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
@LukeSurl: I consider the blurb not 'deliberately' simple, but uneditorialised. Notre Dam's opening did not cover the recent right's rise in Europe. This example is not to draw analogy, but to connect. Given Guardian is British agency, they consider clubbing a lot of things related to a single event within an article when it comes to foreign news, especially Indian religions and the corresponding politics involved with it at a broader scale. Not a mistake but sure editorialising, although I agree the 'sociopolitical trends' sure are a reason for its wider scale this year. The 144 years is an estimate of Indian astrological calculations, and is relevant only because it feels 'good' to say that to exgravate the event. Kumbh Mela has always been a large celebration, even the last 'big' KM they did in 2013 was called 'Maha' KM. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • On this Day is the main page section that usually handles religious festivals and other calendar events, not ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    It is not a festival, and is not per the Gregorian calendar. This one doesn't happen every year, once in 12 years. Last it happened in 2013. --ExclusiveEditor (talk) 08:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    The proposed blurb says it's "a major Hindu festival". And the timing seems complex and variable – the main article says that the biggest attendance was on 4 February 2019. As it's a long festival and the crowding tends to generate incidents, like the Moslem pilgrimmages to Mecca, perhaps ITN should wait until we have something specific to report. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    As for what I've found on internet, Kumbh Mela was historically used to be a generic word to refer to local pilgrimage/religious gatherings happening in multiple city, but today only refers to the four major such gatherings, happening every few years in four Indian cities (2019 was one of its smaller variations (half Kumbh mela), although 2025 is expected to outdo it). The biggest and most notable of these four is the one happening in Prayagraj known as Prayag Kumbh Mela which happens once every 12 years. It's not a festival in traditional sense (like the ones there are holidays for), it is not celebrated across India in every city in general, but rather confined to that city where outside people pilgrimage to participate in. It has attained the title of 'festival' in recent centuries, although it might not be one. What makes it notable is not that it is celebrated by hundreds of millions of people across India, but that hundreds of millions from across the country visit the city to participate in it. It is an 'event' which has fixed starting and ending dates, and for 2025 PKM it is 13 January to 26 February 2025. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    Billions of people have recently celebrated Christmas and the New Year in various ways. Those events were in the news too but we need something more for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    Christmas and New Year comes every Year, Kumbh Mela (the main one) doesn't. It comes every 12 years, which is the point of putting it on ITN. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 13:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
There's equivocation here around the word 'festival', which is both used to mean 'recurrent religious or cultural date of celebration' and 'mass gathering in celebration'. The Kumbh Mela is both of those things. It doesn't take place only on a single day, so I'm not sure OTD is appropriate; what is significant here is the reported scale and alleged rarity of this event. I'm entirely satisfied that the scale is as big as has been claimed; I am, however, dubious about the rarity, as I have said elsewhere. That this celebration is not governed by the Gregorian calendar would be no obstacle to putting it in OTD: we regularly list events from the Julian, Hebrew, Islamic, and other calendars there. As to the frequency aside from the 144-year issue, it seems apparent: (1) that there are four sites at which events of this sort take place, and that each site is on its own twelve-year cycle (2) that the celebrations are staggered, so that a cycle starts at one of the four sites every three years (3) that some sites hold an Ardh Kumbh Mela - that is, a halfway event - at the six-year point of their respective twelve-year cycles (4) that this one, the Prayag Kumbh Mela, is of high prestige, possibly the highest among the four. Certainly it is the ones 12 and 24 years ago that I recall last getting this much coverage abroad. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability, may be considered an ITNR, happening every 12 years. Support for 12 years notability, and if that's not enough then its better on 'On this Day' as suggested by Andrew above. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    As noted above, we'd normally use OTD for such things, so the "regular" event that happens every ~12 years doesn't need to be an ITN. This one, which does appear to be the maha version, that only happens every ~144 years, is unique and reasonable to call out for an ITN, but its frequency at once-every-144-years doesn't make for a good ITNR. Masem (t) 13:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Masem: Different types of KMs happen every 2-4 years in 4 cities of India, on rotational order. Most notable (maybe deserving an ITN) is Maha Kumbh Mela happening in Prayagraj every 12 years. . The once-in-144 year KM is not denoted by 'Maha', that's jus a confusion probably caused by under researched news articles. 2013 KM was also 'Maha', 2001 KM was also 'Maha'... no relation between 144 years and prefix 'Maha'. And for the question if 144 years ago if there was some special KM, I didn't find any source suggesting that any KM from the 1800s was special for this matter, however a considerable thing is that KMs were not that popular back then so official record keeping may have missed it. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    Then we need to have that all clear and resolved because the ITN worthy item is the 144yr event, not the 12 yr one. Sources today seem to claim this one is the special 144 yr one but it's extremely confusing from our articles. — Masem (t) 14:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Masem: BBC itself has two contradictory articles. One from 2013 states that MahaKumbh 2013 was the 144 year special one, other published two days ago mentions that this year's MahaKumbh is 144 year special. Maybe no one knows for sure and different people hold different opinions, with this year's claim being the loudest of them all. And I've found that 'Maha' prefix is indeed used for 144 year special KMs, but they are using it every time now, maybe to attract more people. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 15:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment It would be helpful if the contradiction on the Kumbh Mela page, which claims the 2013 event in Prayagraj was a Maha event as well, could be resolved. I see most sources calling the 2025 event the Maha one, but then you have a the 2013 as being Maha sourced to a gov't document. I know that article is not featured, but given that a large proportion of our readership is not Hindu, I think we need to have clarity fixed there as well and just to make sure we are acknowledgint the 144-year event. Masem (t) 13:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now - there are inconsistencies as Masem points out above, and several tags that need work. While notable we should cover it at its conclusion in February when there are much more concrete facts about attendance and the article is not a bunch of WP:CRYSTALBALL material. Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
    We definitely do not want to post the current blurb until there is clarity on whether this is considered a 'Maha' kumbh. There is discussion about it on the talk page that should at minimum be resolved before posting the current blurb. Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose Hindu festivals are not ITN. 2607:FEA8:9DE:67E0:CC70:984F:2BDA:7121 (talk) 21:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
There is no such categorical rule, and frankly, anon, your position looks somewhat prejudicial.
(By the way, 2025 is also a Jubliee Year in the Catholic Church, an event which occurs once every 25 years. This one is also the 1700th anniversary of the First Council of Nicaea. If there's a nice big event relating to that, with lots of appropriate sources, I would vote for it to be included at ITN as well. I regard both of these major events as having potential merit as ITN stories if the pages are up to standard.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
The First Council of Nicaea has been regularly run at OTD -- having been posted 10 times so far. This lapsed in 2016 so I've just rescheduled it for this year. The nice thing about OTD is that it has an "anyone can edit" process which makes it easier to get things done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
OTD is really good option. The only thing which I think still makes posting this on ITN plausible is if this is really an event happening once every 144 years. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:33, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose after reading the above insightful discussion by helpful editors. Also, just because it is rare does not mean it should be ITN material. For example, there was a big celebration in France for the 200 years anniversary of the French revolution, but i don't think we would have blurbed it. Tradedia 23:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support with 400 million people participating I see no argument as to why this should not be featured. Banedon (talk) 03:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • The number attending on Monday was said to be 16 million. The 400 million figure is a prediction for the cumulative numbers over 45 days. But you get similar or bigger numbers for other mass celebrations. For example, we have the Chinese New Year coming up soon and millions travel and celebrate that. This usually has a logistical impact which is covered in the news – see example. Diwali, Easter, Ramadan ... there are many such. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Andrew Davidson: That's a bad comparison. Chinese new year or any other festival for that matter, millions travel across the country to their hometown which is not the same as a concentrated attendance at one location, like 'Prayagraj' here. All the other festivals you listed also do not include single-location gatherings. KM has far more logistical complexities other than travelling like managing health, safety, sanitation, transportation, and crowd control. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
    For crowding, refer List of largest peaceful gatherings. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Leslie Charleson

Article: Leslie Charleson (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): https://people.com/leslie-charleson-dead-general-hospital-actress-8605210
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 Regards, SSCG 0:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Support This is a notable person who died yesterday. The article about her is reasonably well developed.--Eastview2018 (talk) 14:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
@Eastview2018 with all due respect, this comment reads as if it was written by AI - did you use that? The Kip 16:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
@The Kip Are you talking about the very comment above you? It's too short to determine anything, and looks natural to most part to me. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
@ExclusiveEditor The blunt summary of the context + awkward pause in the middle/separation into two sentences reads like AI to me, but that could also just be my own paranoia speaking. The Kip 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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RD: William P. Dixon

Article: William P. Dixon (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Wisconsin State Journal
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Nominator's comments: American lawyer and political strategist. Death announced 12 January. Thriley (talk) 04:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, the article is a stub and is too short. Güiseppi669 (talk) 09:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

2024 Chadian parliamentary election results

Article: 2024 Chadian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Chad, the ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement provisionally receives a majority in the National Assembly. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement in Chad receives a majority in the National Assembly.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Chad, the ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement retains a majority in the National Assembly amidst a boycott by opposition parties.
News source(s): Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Nom per ITN/R. I'm also thinking if the blurb should also mention that opposition parties boycotted the election. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Comment It would be bizarre to run this separately from the mysterious attack on the Presidential palace in the same country. People seem to think that the government's statements are not reliable so why would this be any different? My impression is that there's likely to be a connection but we don't have good, reliable sources for any of it. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
    We can't engage in original research and our own conclusions even if they seem obvious. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
    Below, you say that "Chad is not a democracy, and you can't trust anything their government says." Andrew🐉(talk) 00:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Am I allowed to oppose based on the absolutely atrocious sandwiching of the lead by the overly-wide electionbox? It's averaging three words per line on my screen. Also, I realize this is on ITN/R, but according to the article this election was boycotted by the opposition and the ruling party, unsurprisingly, won a large majority, so I'm really not sure this is interesting to readers. Toadspike 07:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
  • ITN/R is just a guideline and so "exceptions may apply". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
    Agreed; the general consensus of administrators is that the proper place to have a discussion about significance of ITN/R items is on WT:ITN, and discussions should only focus on WP:ITNCRIT. But we also know that there are instances in which the rules do not account for stories where the lede of the true story (the boycott of an election) has been buried. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - Might be a hot take but I don't think blatantly rigged and unfair elections in authoritarian countries should be considered ITN/R, unless the country itself has a massive impact and reach (ala Russian presidential elections). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
I think that it should be a case by case call, taking into account the level of democracy. For example, The Economist Democracy Index lists 44 Sub-Saharan African countries. Chad is the 2nd worst among them (only better than Central African Republic). Tradedia 03:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Sham elections are still incredibly important for presidential monarchies, and the aftermath around them, I don’t see the logic of excluding them. If anything they tend to be more newsworthy Kowal2701 (talk) 17:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support merge with the attack blurb. Any comments on the coverage of sham elections should be discussed elsewhere as it’s ITNR, it’s just article quality that matters. Article is a good length, but a couple missing citations in the Electoral system section. Ideally it’d have an aftermath/reactions section but situation is still developing. Kowal2701 (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Yes, this was likely a sham election, but the sentiment expressed by some voters here that we should be picking and choosing and deciding ourselves what elections otherwise falling under ITN/R are fair enough to post is out of line IMO. If it is desired, I think simply saying they were the first elections held since 2011 may suffice enough. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb2 as the only blurb that shows this was a sham election. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support ALT2 I get us not declaring it a sham ourselves, but it's critical to note the opposition boycotted and not give the impression that this was a normally-contested election. The Kip 19:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

2024–25 Croatian presidential election

Proposed image Article: 2024–25 Croatian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Zoran Milanović (pictured) is re-elected president of Croatia. (Post)
News source(s): The Dubrovnik Times, Sarajevo Times, BBC News
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Nominator's comments: Nom per ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) 06:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose The article looks quite presentable but most of the sources are in the Croatian language and so I've no idea how accurate or reliable they are. To check the blurb, I looked at the BBC report cited by the nomination (but not the article). This says that, "Presidents in Croatia fulfil a largely ceremonial role" and so it seems this is not ITN/R. I've therefore changed the nomination parameter to "no". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - we do not, and really should not, post changes in the head of state when that office is not also the head of government. --Rockstone 23:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose This does not seem important enough for ITN after reading about the role of the president of Croatia. Tradedia 00:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong support - Firstly, some of the facts presented here are incorrect. The President of Croatia is not a ceremonial role: the president decides the country's foreign policy, is responsible for all matters of national security, and reviews laws passed by the parliament (this is not a definite right of veto as in the US, but it can be used to block the passage of a law in many situations). The parliament still holds executive power, but it's a far, far cry from the position of European monarchs.
Secondly and apart from ITN/R matters, the outcome was atypical. A landslide victory for the presidential office has happened only once since the establishment of the current two-party system (in 2005 with only 65% in the second round). Usually, both rounds produce a close result between major-party candidates. In addition, the candidate of the party governing the parliament barely mustered 10% of registered voters in each round, which is unprecented.
The article itself needs some improvement -- so far, there is little info other than who ran and how many votes they won, and the election process in general. I'll try to fill in the blanks tomorrow. Daß Wölf 00:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
I've added some detail to the article. Daß Wölf 11:38, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hasjim Djalal

Article: Hasjim Djalal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://en.antaranews.com/news/341158/hasjim-djalal-an-architect-of-unclos-passes-away-at-90
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Nominator's comments: Indonesian diplomat. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Article is a stub Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 20:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
@Thewetroadinsummer: Not a stub anymore... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Support: It's bit of a peacock, but once fixed its good to go. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 07:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
@ExclusiveEditor: I've removed the promotional last paragraph... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
There are few more minor problems in the article which I've tagged, whatsoever I continue supporting it with those. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Claude Jarman Jr.

Article: Claude Jarman Jr. (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Oscar-winning 1940s child actor. Removed the last "citation needed". --Clibenfoart (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know exactly (most of the filmographies here don't have sources), but I've added two sources anyway. --Clibenfoart (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

January 11

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Al-Bayda gas station explosion

Article: Al-Bayda gas station explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A gas station explosion in al-Bayda, Yemen results in 15 deaths and 67 injuries (Post)
News source(s): ABC news
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Nominator's comments: Investigations are still ongoing and the article is being updated Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Qiu Dahong

Article: Qiu Dahong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dalian Institute of Technology (in Mandarin Chinese)
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Nominator's comments: Could do with an infobox but otherwise article looks well referenced and long enough, although expansion would be welcome. Cannot comment on the quality of the references though as they are all in Chinese. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Fereydoon Shahbazyan

Article: Fereydoon Shahbazyan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IFP News
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Nominator's comments: Article looks comprehensive however sources may need to be checked on quality, however most are in Persian. If that passes then article looks fine otherwise. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose Compositions section needs sourcing, and there are a few dodgy sources nonetheless (such as amazon.com being one of them). Cleanup on that end would be really helpful. Ping once completed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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RD: Félix Mantilla (baseball)

Article: Félix Mantilla (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/original-mets-shortstop-felix-mantilla-passes-away-at-90-logan9
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 Félix Mantilla 03:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Frank Cicutto

Article: Frank Cicutto (talk · history · tag)
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 Happily888 (talk) 07:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: José Jiménez

Article: José Jiménez (activist) (talk · history · tag)
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 Happily888 (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Milan Feranec

Article: Milan Feranec (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Czech politician. History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Sam Moore

Article: Sam Moore (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Billboard
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Nominator's comments: American soul singer-songwriter and half of Sam & Dave. 240F:7A:6253:1:B49A:4C1F:CA02:FF35 (talk) 07:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Shiu Ka-chun

Article: Shiu Ka-chun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard
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Nominator's comments: Hong Kong activist and former legislator. One paragraph needs a citation, otherwise the article is fine TNM101 (chat) 07:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Inauguration of Nicolas Maduro

Good faith nom, but consensus to post will not form. (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 13:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: 2024 Venezuelan political crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nicolas Maduro (pictured) is inaugurated for a third term as President of Venezuela amidst a political crisis aggravated after the controversial results of the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): (CNN)
Credits: Nominator's comments: A major event of the crisis. ArionStar (talk) 17:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Does that include Trump's inauguration? HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
Of course. I’ll oppose that one as well if it gets nominated.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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