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Hi, the reason i tried to edit the page on Manu Smriti was because the sources are quoted inaccurately. The line in the article on the caste system reads
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"As the son of a Shudra may attain the rank of a Brahmin if he were to possess his qualifications, character and accomplishments, and as the son of a Brahmin may become a Shudra, if he sinks to his level in his character, inclinations and manners even so must it be with him who springs from a Kshatriya; even so with him who is born of a Vaishya" (X: 65).
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When I refered back to the source the line actually reads
"65. (Thus) a Sudra attains the rank of a Brahmana, and (in a similar manner) a Brahmana sinks to the level of a Sudra; but know that it is the same with the offspring of a Kshatriya or of a Vaisya."


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It may not be considered a big difference but crux lies in the interpretation of the statement. The article misinterprets the wrongly quoted statement to read that the caste system was not hereditary. Which is inaccurate if you read the context of the statement. The section it is obtained from deals with the castes of the offspring of mixed caste marriages. It has nothing to do with the interpretation in the article. If you object to my removal, please tell me how to change it on the page. I'm new to Misplaced Pages and do not know how to do so.
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'''Immediate Work Needed'''
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Hi, I'm not in any rush. I would like very much to get this sorted out and I understand these things take time. But when you wrote "See Page 14. I'll put up the link soon unless you have something to say..." and dismissed my comments because they were not backed up by original research I felt compelled to reply. I will wait for the other editors to weigh in. I only write because I want to help Misplaced Pages be accurate.


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Hi, i meant to write `not back by peer-reviewed', but that's beside the point. Couple of quick points-- what makes your source the normative source? Can you give me one source that has something negative to say about the source that I use? Are you seriously contending that Indians have no reason to "mistranslated the text as a pretext to attack". Please read the comments in the discussion. I'm interested in this issue of western versus `normative' translations of the Manu Smriti. Any sources on this would be appreciated as I can't find any.
I appreciate the job you're doing as editor for this piece, it can't be easy.


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Please read the discussion page **first** ] before jumping to hasty reverts. ] 17:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


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Hi Hkelkar. Thanks for undoing the vandalism on ] and other pages. ]] 13:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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==Material for Muslim Caste System and Fatwa-i-Jahandari in ]==
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#Arthashastra of Kautilya and Fatawa-i-Jahandari of Ziauddin Barani : an analysis / by Arbind Das.
The article was really messed up. I reverted back to the edition I made a month ago. '''Feel free to put your quotes, etc. back in'''. Sorry for any inconvenience (viewing that article is pretty inconvenient).] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 21:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
#The political theory of the Delhi sultanate: Including a translation of Ziauddin Barani's Fatawa-i Jahandari, circa, 1358-9 A.D by Mohammad Habib
#Foundations of Indian Political Thought by V.R. Mehta
#Ideology, Modernization and Politics of India by V.R. Mehta


:Thank you for the defence of Hinduism in this article. That is christian missionary propaganda. ] 15:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


== Bogus Warnings. ==


Plz refrain from issuing Bogus Warnings.See ] for clarification.Such an act may get you blocked.This was regarding your edit .Thanks]|] 09:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:This is harrassment.] 10:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


==Extra material for Christian Castes in ]==
:Yes, it is harrassment.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 14:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
# http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IET20030413133514&Topic=&Title=This%20is%20India&Page=O
::Actually it's not harassment. Content disputes are not vandalism - read up on policies to familiarize yourself with each. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
# http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/10/stories/2004041010410300.htm
::Exactly. holywarrior knew this and still accused me of vandalism. That's harrassment.] 03:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
# http://www.dalitchristians.com/Html/DCLMtocbci.htm
:::I don't see any accusations of vandalism made by Holywarrior against you. Please correct me if I'm wrong. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
#The Lopsided Spread of Christianity: Toward an Understanding of the Diffusion of Religions By Robert L. Montgomery
::::it seems, rather, that Hkelkar has used {{tl|blatantvandal}} against Holywarrior. Using such templates against established users in a content dispute is considered very rude, and Holywarrior's reaction is entirely justified. <small>]</small> ] 14:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
#Caste and Christianity: Attitudes and Policies on Caste of Anglo-Saxon Protestant Missions in India. by Duncan B. Forrester Journal of Asian Studies, Vol. 41, No. 4 (Aug., 1982), pp. 865-866
==Extra material for Latin American Caste system in ]==
#Caste in a peasant society by Marvin Tumin
#Human tradition in colonial Latin America by K. Andrien (establishes history)
#Born in Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America by J Chasteen
#Latin American Civilization: History and Society, 1492 to the Present B. Keen (clearly mentions caste system)
#Race and Nation in Modern Latin America by James Herriot et al. Talks about caste system today


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] put a strong effort on ] - ] ] 02:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for informing me about that ^_^
:Yes yes it is...Leafy 06:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


==Sockpuppetry== == Barnstars ^_^ ==
hello Hkelkar -- looking into Holywarrior's 3RR case, I came across your account, and your statement that you were mistaken for a sockpuppet of {{user|Subhash bose}}. I see, indeed, no strong indication that you are, and if you are willing to state explicitly that you are not, I do invite you to remove the template from your user page. I also appreciate your proposal of a compromise on the disputed article, which Holywarrior seemed to accept. When reporting 3RR violations, please do make sure to only list edits that were made within 24 hours (which is the scope of the rule). I do think Holywarrior was blocked by mistake, but since he seemed to accept your proposal, I suggest that you consider that particular issue settled. regards, <small>]</small> ] 14:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::Thank you very much for your post. I will do as you suggest.] 20:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


], hereby award you the '''Exceptional Newcomer''' award for your contributions to ]-related articles. Good job!]]
::Oh yes, I explicitly state that I am not bose's sockpuppet.] 20:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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You have been accused of ]. Please refer to ] for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with ] before editing the evidence page. ] 18:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


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:Looks like someone just threw out some ].] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 19:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::Please abstain from ] comments ] 20:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::In what way are they provocative? I think you have also made provocative comments, making accusations that are untrue.] 20:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Hey man, I've finally been unblocked!] 00:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Good news! You might want to go to your RFCU page and clear up further absurd accusations made by users.] 00:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I still think you and Subhash bose are the same person. Your edit patterns are very similar. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Think what you want. Hkelkar is way too patient, civil, and clever to be Subhash. Subhash is idealistic, Hkelkar is practical.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 23:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
::::: I have to comment on the sockpuppetry. Hkelkar only started this account on the 24th, yet he seems to know so much about Misplaced Pages right from the start, with vandalism reverts. He did talk to blnguyen about reverting vandalism, but the way it was asked, seemed to stress the fact that he was a new user, and was asking help on stuff vandalism stuff that, also was a possible conversation topic, did not really seem to be that necessary. The articles that Hkelkar edit are about the same ones as Subhash, even to really specific ones such as ]. And also, this account was created ''after'' Subhash was blocked. So there seems to be a large chance that Hkelkar is a sockpuppet/meatpuppet of Subhash bose, but then again, if I'm wrong, I don't want to outrightly accuse anyone. ] ] 20:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::I have repeatedly said that we know each other outside wikipedia and often discuss articles and how to edit them. Plus, I have been reading help pages and such on wikipedia. I am also in http://wikipediareview.com and ask for help on IM with other users.] 20:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Subhash has a certain approach to talk pages and a rather feeble sense of humour that HKelkar has not deployed, at least as far as I have noticed. Unless I observe edit summaries saying "Nein, mein freund", I strongly doubt they're the same person. ] 22:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Well they're both Hindus, they attend the same university, they're both studying physics, they both edit the same articles, IP's they have verifiably used only differ in the last octet, they have both frequently used popups to revert non-vandalistic edits, and they also have similar diction (e.g. , ). ] <sup>]</sup> 01:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Nein mein freund.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 01:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


::::Strictly speaking I'm not a Hindu.My mother is a Jew (Konkani) so I am a Jew.] 15:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC) For all the crap you go through.--] 18:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Subhash bose can be considered the same thing - that's why he states he's "interested in Judaism" on his userpage. Both of you mention Zionism quite frequently in your posts. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::So basically we have two people above that, along with all other similarities I listed above, have an interest or heritage in both Judaism and Hinduism, a rare combination. Am I the only person seeing something wrong here? ] <sup>]</sup> 16:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


:::::: After being "spotted" thanks to Nein Mein Freund- I would be very surprised if any sock of Subhash's uses that term again. The Maharashtra + U.S.A +Austin + Physics + Hinduism + Jew is a combo which does make one wonder if it's two people. And the last sockpuppetry case in which Subhash was caught, the puppet claimed to be a brother.Here the friend on campus claim surfaced after both ip's were traced to the univ. ] 19:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


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:::::::Well everything has been explained to admins.Association does not imply sockpuppetry. Please return to editing articles.] 19:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


interesting discussion --] 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Subhash was not much knowledgeable on Zionism - I remember one of my posts where I doubted if one of the Hindutva writers from Netherlands was a zionist..it is after this I found the Zionist supporter category on his user page.No doubt after these many blocks he would have learnt not to make the major mistakes that give him away, so easily.Could also be that the same user ID is used by two persons...Unfortunately, it is because of the misuse of this system Misplaced Pages is considering not allowing edits appear immideately and allowing those appear only after moderation in some of the new initiatives they are reported to be taking.] 21:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


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:::::::::Actually I think that this is a good idea. It will help keep out the rifraff and anon ip vandalism etc etc.Unfortunately it may be too late since I see that most wikipedia articles are already vandalized with nonsense.
"South Asian Caste System" anyone? <b>] </b>] 17:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


== Re: BAd Faith Assumptions ==
:::::::::Also, I've been a Zionist (Muslims please don't hate me ;) ) since I was very young, at least in the sense that I believe that Israel has to exist as the return-land for Jews. I have visited Medinat Israel a few times, from Gaza Strip to Golan Heights (takes abt 4-5 hrs by car).I have collateral relatives who did Aaliyah to Yeroshalam and have businesses there and also back in India.Plus, bose is not a Jew, I am. He does not have Jewish heritage, though he is a righteous gentile (in the ideological sense rather than the sense of the formal title bestowed by Rabbinate in Israel or in the sense of holocaust saviors since neither os us were born then). I think you'd be surprised how many Hindus in India are righteous. You don't have to be Christian or Muslim or ger zedek to be hasidei umot haolam. Since Hinduism in it's purest form subscribes to the Brahma which fulfils the first Noahide Law of avodah zarah, it is possible for a Hindu to be a righteous gentile. Plus, since Hindus are usually vegetarian the sixth Noahide law of ever min ha chai is moot. Hindus satisfy all other Noahide laws by default. He only has to follow the first law which I believe bose does (belief in Brahma). Since he has spoaken for the Jews on behalf of the Jews he is a righteous gentile by action as well as by Noahide Law.] 22:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


Dear HKelkar, first of all thanks for pointing me to the ] and ]. I will keep them in mind. But please note that the article in question, has no reference to caste based struggle as discussed on ]. I suggest keeping in mind the facts we should try to remove the misinterpretation of facts. ] 17:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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Contact ] for starts. Voice your concens there.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 02:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


:: Dear Hkelkar as per the article the crime has indeed been committed by dalit party activists, but where is the point of caste based struggle in it, see the news paper report ]. Didn't we discuss all this on talk page of the article in question. The article already has many short comings, why induce another. Thanks and looking for your kind cooperation ] 18:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
== relax ==


::Dear HKelkar, thanks for pointing me to ], I agree there should be no whitewashing under any circumstances to present a rosy picture. But the caste based angle in the article in question is more of criminal nature; and the power, the criminals in them, assert is that they are part of a political entity, maybe governed by people in power, who need their muscles during elections and for gathering crowds, and in return will save the criminals from the law of the land. Then by this yard stick all and any crimes committed by any one belonging to any caste, political party for whatever reason would merit a mention in the article. Just because the world caste/ ambedkar/ dalit appears in the news should not merit its mention, as I still cant see any relation to caste struggle here. ] 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
relax first of all. My simple question is, how is anti-brahmin civil and anti-hindu incivil. He is both anti-brahmin and anti-hindu, per his interviews and the external links. these are not my or any third party views, these are just his own views.]] 07:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


:::If a balanced view is required, then why not put up something that is actually related to article and has some element of caste struggle. What about this in a balanced manner ] in place of what is already there. I request you to present some mention of real caste struggle and not crimes by (substitute your favorite word here dalit/ brahmin/ upper caste etc). Cheers ] 19:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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:::And what about removing the section in question.] 19:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks. ] 19:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


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I thought I should inform you regarding ] regarding .] 11:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::Spam? i just want his help. He seems like the sort of chap who'd know more about this sort of thing, that's all.] 12:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


Kind of amusing.--] 02:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
::There is no spam vio Holywarrior. Hkelkar is merely putting a ]. ].] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 17:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


== Thanks HKelkar. ==
Didn't think it was spam. That applies to vote-stacking. Anyway, I locked that page for you. I think both sides may have done four reverts actually, but I didn't check to see if all of them were reverts. ''']''' <nowiki>|</nowiki> ] 05:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks for protecting the page. I counted my reverts and I do not believe that I violated 3RR, though HW's edit warring necessitated intervention.] 09:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks HKelkar, I am short of words to describe the wrongs. There are some websites which allege that Hindu religion has it's roots in christainity. This is sufficiently irritating. Some anonymous editer included these (external) website links in the article. Which I removed. The same found place on talk page, seeking permission for inclusion in article by the anonymous editor. I removed these links, as through subversive means, the links were placed for viewing who view the article. The discussion for inclusion was clearly opposed by all. I removed the links from talk page. There was no objection from anyone. After some days Abecedare restored the links. I remove them, he reverts and give me a 3RR notice. Then, he goes for admin community views. I fail to express and object to the subversive way. I fail to understand the intention of Abecedare. Should the Misplaced Pages policy conveniently interpreted and used for nefarious activities?
== Holywarrior and JFD ==
Hi there. I have made comments about JFD on his page, but no, I don't think it is defamation. As to Holywarrior, I have passed onto the admin. Thanks, ''']''' <nowiki>|</nowiki> ] 23:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


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== Defamation warning ==


== New Rock Star ==
Why don't you go ahead and report me?


Hi Hkelkar, I saw the article and the latest edits. We must try to constructively discuss the changes and work on improving the article. Currently, it looks in a mess. The section on Hindutva views and Dalit views is unreferenced and POV. Do all Dalits have the same view. And whose view is it actually. I think, we need a cited historical scholarly view.
I'm curious to hear what an admin has to say about that post and so should you.


Anyway, we'll talk more on that. I have repaired the e-mail link. It's working now. Mail me. Bye for now. Keep rockin' --<b>]]] | </b><b><sup>]</sup></b>/<b><sub>]</sub></b>\<b><sup>]</sup></b> 07:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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'''Is this true''' HKelkar? I would never like anyone to be blocked for an year and would also not like someone to give such cause. God Bless You. ] 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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== Accusations of racism ==


I believe in credible sources and giving credit where credit is due.


==Refs==
When a credible source gives credit to India for something, I'll make an edit that reflects that.
'''Note:''' These refs are for my research purposes only, please do not type between them.
:These should provide some perspective on why many Pakistani editors are arguing over Indian history on wikipedia.


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But if someone gives India credit for something without citing a credible source, you better believe I'm going to challenge it.
:''',Pakistan's NW Province Makes Quran Lessons Compulsory''' - From the Wall Street Journal


:''':Islamic Fundamentalism and Brainwashing in Pakistan''' (news today)
I don't single out Indians; I've done the same for other races too.


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Engage away.<br>] 17:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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Indrancroos' message doesn't really seem to allude to me and, as for Freedom skies' comments, please point out specific ones because I don't have the inclination to go through the archives of that Talk Page.<br>] 21:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
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Oh, I should have made clear that I'm Chinese so that argument is actually "I've done it to my own race" or, rather, "I hold Wikipedians who are Chinese (like myself) and Wikipedians who are Indian (and Wikipedians who are White, Afro-Caribbean, Arab, etc.) to the same standards". That's a pretty legitimate argument.


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== ArbComm ==
I can't resist naughty puns.


Hi Hkelkar - there's a post at ] about your current editing - I've also sent you an email about it. It's probably best if the only editing you do is within your user-space, at least until December 19th. Just create sub-pages if you want, to work on additions to articles. Thanks <strong>]]]</strong> 19:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
''it is possible to look at several of your posts (I'm sure you will remember them) regarding Subhash Kak as racially biased, particularly when you allege that he is not "mainstream" whereas he clearly IS and is well-published in reputable peer-review journals''


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Actually, I'm afraid I don't remember them. You will need to refresh my memory as to where I have made posts regarding Subhash Kak (aside from the naughty pun, of course.)


This pak as been untagging indus valley with the indian tag on it. Could use some help on this. {{User|Szhaider}} seems to be behind it. He takes the tag off harappa civilization and other indic historic sites as well.--] 21:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
With regard to this message, I was comparing nationalists in China to nationalists in India. The targeting of academics is a tactic emphasized by nationalists in India.<br>] 23:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
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''In Indian Nationalism, you changed first without discussing at all (not even after the change), like .''


== Indian caste system ==
That edit would make more sense in the context of the discussion at Indian martial arts. There is a distinction between martial arts historians—that is, specialists in the history of martial arts such as Tang Hao, Matsuda Ryuchi and Stanley Henning—as opposed to martial artists, including Funakoshi Gichin and Richard C. Brown, who write about martial arts but do not specialize in the study of its history. For example, the book linked to which Richard C. Brown co-authored is a how-to book, not a history. To describe Brown and Funakoshi as historians, as Freedom skies, did is misleading.


I didn't realize there was more about mobility in the criticism section. Thanks for moving it up. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
''Well while I'll admit that some of the actions of the Indian nationalists have been heavy-handed wrt scholars, surely it isn't even remotely like the death-threats on Salmaan Rushdie by Iranian Ayatollahs for the Satanic Verses, or the Mohamed Cartoon riots worldwide.''


You have violated ] by removing part of what I just added, i.e. "individual mobility among castes was generally rare." I ask that you undo this. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't dispute your characterization of Islamic fundamentalists at all. They were not, however, within the scope of that conversation.
:Nope, no 3RR here. I'll double check my edits though since you say that. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


:Aw. He came back.--] 01:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
''The truth is that many scholars in the US and Europe ARE racist and have made false and misleading comments against Hindus to defame them, either as a means to get publicity or because they have a deep hatred for or psychopathic obsession with Hindus. Given that bigotry, and the fact that they only single out Hindus for such treatment over those of other ethnic/religious backgrounds, the anger is entirely justified, though not all of the actions are. There is something sick in Western academia (a sickness that has leaked into Indian academia also).''


::You problably should have called the FBI on him. I know I would have.--] 02:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Here I am afraid that you and I part ways. Indian nationalists think that Western academia is anti-Hindu, Muslim fundamentalists think it's Islamophobic, Afrocentrists think it's anti-Black, American nationalists think it's anti-American, etc, etc, etc. I don't see how Hindus are "singled out".<br>] 00:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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Let me play ].<br>Why is it that when someone refuses to accept claims such as "Ancient India is widely considered to be the origin of martial arts" or "the science of medicine originated in India," that person gets called a racist?<br>Look at how Shiva's Trident/Netaji/Subhash bose responded to CiteCop's request for sources.<br>] 04:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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I'll be frank with you, Hkelkar.


== ] ==
Accusations of racism such as those thrown around liberally by editors such as Netaji and Indrancroos—and I am in no way saying that this contemptible practice is exclusive to Indians—are the last desperate refuge of those whose arguments can't win on their own merits.<br>They are used for the purpose of silencing, intimidating, and ostracizing dissenting editors.<br>Not only are such attacks '']'', they violate ].


Voting on the use of indic scripts.--] 01:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Imagine trying to tell the truth about the Islamic invasion of India—about Mahmud of Ghazni, Muhammad Khilji, and Aurangzeb—and then being called an "Islamophobe" by a Muslim partisan.<br>That is exactly the sort of underhanded tactic that Netaji and Indrancroos engage in: discredit an editor by throwing around cheap accusations of bigotry and hoping it sticks instead of building a ''real'' argument.


== >_<! ==
I'll say this for Freedom skies: as deplorable as I find his utter lack of civility, his double standard when it comes to citation and, most infuriatingly, the way he accuses others of practices that he himself engages in, so far he's had enough dignity not to debase himself with cheap accusations of bigotry like Netaji and Indrancroos have.


]--] 04:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
{{Quotation|I do not believe that Netaji accused anyone of racism, merely stated that many who oppose India's right to self-determination (with a Leftist/Fundamentalist sympathetic bias) make such oppositions. It was not a bad faith assumption because he did not specifically accuse anyone involved in the article of racism.}}Hkelkar, please.


== ]? ==
Show me where in this message CiteCop expresses "opposition to India's right to self-determination. Nor have I seen evidence of such a sentiment in any of CiteCop's other contributions. Judging by some of them, I'd say he thinks quite the opposite.


How does it work? {{User|Szhaider}} is being a bit stubborn.--] 05:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
In response to CiteCop's questions, Netaji replies that "The only people who question them are: White Nationalists, Fundamentalist Muslims, Marxists."


== Warning regarding ] ==
Netaji is clearly insinuating—with no evidence or justification whatsoever—that CiteCop is one of the three.


I have not protected the article, but be aware that excessive reversions of the article may lead to a 3RR block. Take the discussion to the talk page to avoid that. -- ''']''' 16:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Our engagement was going so well. Don't spoil it by making disingenuous excuses for the inexcusable.<br>] 17:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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{{Quotation|given the long history of racism and hate against Indians by many people, it is difficult not to jump to conclusions when an editor explicitly singles out an article about India for criticism and states general policy to justify it.}}Jumping to such conclusions is a direct violation of ].<br>] 17:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


== ] Mediation ==
:My ears are burning from the way the two of you are talking about me so I'd like to give my side of the story.


Please take a look at ] and begin populating the "issues to be mediated" regarding the ] article. Also, please sign below ''Parties' agreement to mediate'' stating that you "agree" to mediate or "recuse" yourself from the dispute resolution process. Thanks in advance. -- ''']''' 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:I became a Misplaced Pages editor because of Misplaced Pages's reputation for inaccuracy.
:I figured I'd go around Misplaced Pages providing citations where I could and asking for citations for material that needed it.
:That's why I chose the name CiteCop.


]--] 05:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:For example, I asked for a source on the Sino-Uighur calendar.
:A fellow editor pointed me to two good sources.
:So I returned the material to the article with proper citation.


== 2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra ==
:That's how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work.


No matter what Indian PC media calls it shouldnt it be titled ] raher than ]?
:I do the same on the Indian nationalism page and Subhash bose implies that I'm either a White Nationalist, a Fundamentalist Muslim or a Marxist.


P.S I was just being sarcastic on the other article!
:The problem is that Subhash bose is far from alone. Hell, if there's any cabal around here, it's him and his circle of edit war buddies.
]<sup>]</sup> 20:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


:Editors like Subhash bose compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages articles about India with extravagant unsourced claims or, worse, citing sources that don't verify the material in question.


== Reversion ==
:Look, today you (that is, Hkelkar) made explicit the distinguishing characteristics of the modern zero, so I looked up a print source alluded to in one of the web citations and provided a print citation from a highly credible source.
Sorry mate, it looked like a deletion of material. You did nothing wrong and my reversion was accendental. Thanks for your understanding, ]]] <small><sup> ] . ] . ]</sup></small> 00:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


== Your encouragement and supporting of users to add commentry... ==
:I have no problem doing that. But I'm also going to remove material that is unsourced or is improperly attributed to sources that do not verify the text in question.


Do not encourage/support users to add commentary to wiki articles. I find it pretty I ironic you remove comments on talk-pages, which are directed at you, and consequently. You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles. Please do not do this. Or I will have to issue you a warning and also mention this in your RfA pending case. You should take a break from edition wiki articles for a few months. --] 15:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:If people don't add dubious unsourced material to articles or cite sources that don't verify the text in question, I'll leave well enough alone, but if they do, I'm going to respond vigilantly. End of story.
:] 08:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


''You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles.''
==look==
this is getting ridiculous... just because i disagree with a lot of what other people believe in does not mean i am racist. i have never made racist statements... merely reporting the truth and if it disagrees with other people's viewpoints it doesn't mean it is racist. the fact is, freedom skies and indran cross have written a very biased article stating on one part that the british were responsible for the downfall of all indian martial arts... we would like a citation of that. ] 02:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


Look who's talking! Moveon chavboy People living in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others!
''british were responsible for the downfall of all indian martial arts''
]<sup>]</sup> 19:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


==Indian Buddhist Revival==
:Are you slow or something ?? the lines say ''The occupation of India by England was instrumental in the decline of Indian martial arts. The British raj saw the supression of several Indian martial arts to obscurity.''
The people who are doing violence are low-caste-Hindus. They are not Buddhists. The India Buddhist population is less than 0.8%. So restrict yourself before making false claims. ] 15:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


== 0_0 ==
:Kshatriya rulers killed, arts outlawed, patronages gone with replacement of rulers by the crown. The importance of patronage and the deposition of Kshatriyas has been cited.


Intrguing...
:As for adding 2+2 on the page, I'll do it soon enough. The thing is Kenny, you can't contribute, all you do is make a nuisense of yourself because you think geopolitically India is going to scary, oddly enough it's the only democracy in a neighbourhood that has a history of military rule and communism, god knows what scares you so much. ] 05:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Hindushudra
::I was here to leave a message below, and I'd just like to point out that the comment above was quite inappropriate, and borders on a personal attack. ] 07:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


&
== Shiva's Trident ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Pkulkarni

''I am a member of Sechdule Caste from India and <u>consider all Indians as Shudras</u>.''
]<sup>]</sup> 19:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== السلام علیکم ==

hello as-salam alaykum Hkelkar
Please forgive me, English not is perfect. You seem to write many anti Islamic remarks and have bias viewpoint towards India & Israel. Please keep your biases off Misplaced Pages جزخ اللہ خیر <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

````

I'm sorry, personal attack? There was no personal attack, rather just a constructive criticism from one Misplaced Pages editor to another. Also, please refrain from deleting my posts on your talk page, as you do not own them. (You may archive this page, however.) Also, please remove your silly writings from my talk page. :) I hope you keep these (constructive) criticisms in mind!
::User warned
for making personal attacks. ] 20:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== I was wondering ==

Are you biased? Do you believe you are bias-free? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
==Apology==
Hkelkar, I'm very sorry I accused you of Wikistalking. It was poor judgement, a poor reading of Misplaced Pages policy, and in very bad faith.

I also apologise for the initial comments I made. I assumed you were doing a complete hatchet job, I barely read the articles in question, and I misread them in my haste and uncalled-for anger to boot.

Furthermore, I attempted to pit you and Ambroodey against your fellow editors. This was not only incredibly disruptive, but trollish on every level. I tried to use a painful topic for my own purposes and forced you to defend yourself.

In reality, I have never treated you correctly. I should have responded to your second post to me as a good faith attempt to work with me. I didn't discuss the article with you, and try to work out any differences we had.

I did these things out of my arrogance and ignorance of Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines. What I did last night, however, is simply indefensible and wrong on a basic human level.

Again, I humbly apolgise, and I sincerely pray for your happiness, if not forgiveness.

] 08:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Buddhism in modern India ==

India Buddhist revival/Dalit Buddhist Movement/Buddhist Revival in India has been moved to ]. ] | ] 15:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:As you might be aware that {{user|Pkulkarni}} and his/her socks have been blocked (see ]). ] (with his sock accounts) was the only person opposed to an article with the title Dalit Buddhist movement or Ambedkarite Buddhism. Other involved parties such as ], ], ], and ] support for separate article about Dalit Buddhist movement. So, I've moved the article to ]. The content about non-Ambedkarite Buddhism has been removed and addded to ]. Sorry for all the confusion. I hope I'm finally fixing this. Thanks. ] | ] 15:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

==Your recent changes in Gujarat Riots Page==
What can one construe of your recent edits where <s> to HRW report</s> while you have added a blog on Sulekha to the article?Please change it back to the original title and remove the link to the Blog ] 21:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

* World’s biggest and most popular online community and networking site
* Most popular network of city portals in 60 cities worldwide
*
* Most popular online classifieds service in 60 cities around the world
* Most trusted and popular online ticketer for events and movies in North America
* World’s only digital marketplace for premium content
* The most popular online advertising medium to reach NRIs.
* Only website whose creative expression (of its members) was published a book by Penguin

* Sorry for the first part - You did not change the title, I confused it from the edit hitsory ] 21:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
* Sulekha claims itself to be a Networking,blogging site..So I don't know if I should agree to what you say..Check what others say..] 21:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::If you think SAAG is notable put it..don't threaten..] 22:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::* So finally, you have put that - did you read the fine print on that article - '''The writer is an undergraduate from Princeton University. The views expressed are his own. Contacted at e-mail: abahl@princeton.edu.''' <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] ] 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)• ]) 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

*On the economic boycott of Muslims you removed the whole set of links from UN,NDTV,Tribune India,The Hindu - Indian National Newspaper,Report from Contemporary Conflicts charging me ""

The whole set of articles supporting that there was and is a rampant Boycott of Muslims in the BJP ruled state of Gujarat.I am copying them again.Please revert the changes back to where they were. ] 10:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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*Hkelkar - Below this is tantamount to Assuming Bad Faith and Original Research as well as threatening to use WP as a Soapbox.Make sure that you understand that I am not baiting you, just in case you wish to justify any action based on these edit of yours ] 11:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar's comments follow:
''Dude, give up the propaganda soapboxing. None of these incidents happened in the year in question.Hkelkar 11:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)And no, I will not restore your egregious misrepresentations. The "boycott" is not a riot, it's a peaceful act so it does not belong in the article. If you do that then I will post a deluge of articles showing how Muslims in Gujarat are in collusion with Pakistan, the rise of fundamentalism, and the terrorist attacks on Narendra Modi. So do not go there buddy. Hkelkar 11:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)''

* ''I'm using wikipedia as a soapbox???What the heck^H^H^H^HGehennem have you been doing?????Hkelkar 11:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)''
::Yes, it is apparent you are sopaboxing - Please don't use this contemptuous language.These kind of "heck^H^H^H^HGehennem " don't add any value to the discussion ] 11:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Sulekha and Sabrang &ndash; any of those websites cannot be used as reliable sources. Please read ] properly. &mdash; ]<span class="plainlinks"> </span> 13:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
::Hkelkar, Only to you buddy ] 20:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

==You don't understand==
I simply never read the article, until the title changed. I still haven't read the whole thing in detail, but I believe it.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely,
] 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== Arbitration Page and Islamism ==

You have a section on the arbitration page in which I assume you will attempt to prove that "] supports ]..." My question to you is: so what if he supports Islamism? ] <sup>]</sup> 15:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

==Book Link on ]==
:Regarding your most recent edits to ] and ], the link you supplied was to ], which does not satisfy the wikipedia criterion for ]. However, the book is real, published by an accredited source and the author is an accredited scholar (]) and the book is verified by a google books link. Therefore, I changed the citation accordingly (it's the same book, just from a more reliable source). See these diffs Thanks.] 03:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

] 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Since you commented on the Hinduism barnstar proposal I recommend you looking at the new designs introduced by ]. Thank you. ]'']'' <sup>]</sup> 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
==Taking leeways when it suits ==
] 03:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

== Nice job ==

You got all of us banned for one year. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
:This matter is no longer in our hands. There is no time. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
:You're right. I did say that I was willing to go down with you, and although I am still willing, I never expected it to happen. I wonder if you will ever confess to being the same person. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
==Thanks==
For you addition to the ] article. I wish you the best and continue to pray. I'll be around.
Sincerely,
] 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
:'''Addendum:''' After seeing a few recent bits of edits and discussion, I currently have much more faith in ''you'' coming back and being a great editor and ''community member'' than I do in BhaiSaab. ] 05:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


== No Personal Attacks ==
{{Quotation|How exactly is he "attacking" anyone?}}Exactly as he did with CiteCop, Shiva's Trident or Netaji or Subhash bose or whatever the hell he's calling himself these days is insinuating that Kennethtennyson is either a mujahid or a skinhead.


In case you haven't been warned already, per the evidence at ]... <small><Discussion has been archived at ]></small>
If ''anyone'' is guilty of an ethnocentric bias, be it conscious or unconscious, it's Subhash bose.<br>] 17:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|&#32;as you did at ]}}, you will be ] for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. <!-- Template:Npa3 --> -- ''']''' 05:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
==Re==
I don't know too much on it. Leafy knows the most. I have it on my watchlist though so its fine.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 01:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


== Your Comments at ] ==
== POV ==


*It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. ] and ] only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|, as you did on ],}} can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain ] with your comments. Thanks! <!-- from Template:Civil1 --> {{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|With regards to your comments on ]:&#32;}}Please see Misplaced Pages's ] policy. Comment on ''content'', not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to ] for disruption. Please ] and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. <!-- Template:No personal attacks (npa2) --> -- '''] <sup>]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 05:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
With regard to your edit summary , a cursory look at the contibs history for that page would have established that I am not the editor who put in the statements you described, arguably, as POV. Please avoid this sort of allegation in general, and in particular when you can establish with a minimal amt of effort that it is unnecessary, or your own edits will be viewed with corresponding doubt by the broader community on WP. ] 07:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
::Did you not make the edits I showed in the diff? Just asking.] 19:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
:::As I said, I was reverting the article. The version I was reverting was more POV than the reversion I was reverting to. ] 08:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


:*I noticed most of you've pointed out. Unfortunately, I'm not an administrator, so my warnings and advice are just that, advice. That being said, you received the warning simply because you reacted harshly to his provocation. As someone who has been in your situation before, I '''strongly''' recommend that you either ignore him completely or if absolutely necessary, open a ]. -- '''] <sup>]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</sup>''' 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
== Reply to your Query ==


== Warning ==
Reply to your queries posted on my talk page and other pages are and .I hope you will take care in future.<span style="border: 1px solid">]</span> 09:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


It's good to know you've been warned of personal attacks before.I just informed the administrator of the xenophobia you've been promoting on the discussion page,along with personal attacks,racist comments etc.I couldn't help but noticing you and D-Boy concspiring against another Pakistani usser.I also find it curious that you and your freinds happen to post approximately around the same time when grouping against me and other Pakistani wikipedians.Is it possible that you collaborate on the phone or on MSN before posting on talk pages along with luanching personal attacks,stereotypes etc?
== Thanks ==


Intersting how you and your pals almost tricked me into getting myself blocked.Better luck next time.I warn you from trying similar tricks again in the future.Also dont threaten user:Saddiqui or other users by pulling them into edit wars and then trying to portray them as the instigators.Most people have alot more common sense than you think.] 05:44, 9 December 2006
Hi and thanks for your edits to ]. Just so you know, I am nominally the cabal-mediator for the case regarding the Hindu section. However, in the context of the editor who has introduced the Hindu organisations not responding to any communication, the case is probably going to be closed. Accordingly, I would suggest you continue to challenge and then remove material that does not have appropriate references. Thanks, ] 18:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


:Yes because wikipedia is our life and we take the time and money to call each other (and all our "Hindutva POV-pushing friends" who are really strangers working on the 'pedia) long distance across the pacific ocean, rocky mountains, mississippi river just to deal with a few ]. <b>]]</b> 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
== RfC ==
You'll need two people to say that they have the same problem and are in dispute with Holywarrior. Thanks, ''']''' <nowiki>|</nowiki> ] 23:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for dropping me a note regarding my RfC. I did not see the rule that said that 2 users are required to initiate an RfC. I'm sorry if that was wrong of me. I was looking at ] and I thought that it said that, failing negotiation, a user may request mediation through RfC ] and thought that RfC was the way to achieve that. If that is not the way, then should I file a mediation cabal, or is there anything else? Please let me know.] 00:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, one person can initiate the RfC but a second person needs to agree to co-sponsor it within 48 hours. Baka asked my last week about RfC and said he was going to file an RfC. ] is for article disputes for a mediator, and you can also used RfC for an article if you want people to give an opinoin about an article dispute. Thanks, ''']''' <nowiki>|</nowiki> ] 00:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I think I understand. Yes, I would like extra pair of eyes to opine about the dispute which I do not think I will be able to resolve with Holywarrior by myself. Can you endorse the RfC, making it two people, or is there a conflict of interet issue on account of your status as an admin?] 00:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::I'm not in dispute with Holywarrior as I do not edit the articles which are disputed and I have not been the recipient of personal attacks by him, so no I don't think I a ma party to the conflict. ''']''' <nowiki>|</nowiki> ] 00:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::OK. So what are the exact criteria for another user to get involved? If a user sees the RfC and wishes to comment, is that enough? Based on what you said it seems to me that the RfC in it's present form is not illegitimate. Can I contact another user and ask him to look at the rfC and, if he agrees that there is a problem, endorse it?What advice can you offer regarding this situation? Thank you.] 00:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::''Before requesting community comment, at least two editors must have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and tried but failed to resolve the problem. '''Any RfC not accompanied by evidence showing that two users tried and failed to resolve the same dispute may be deleted after 48 hours.''' The evidence, preferably in the form of diffs, should not simply show the dispute itself, but should show attempts to find a resolution or compromise. The users certifying the dispute must be the same users who were involved in the attempt to resolve it.
::You, Baka, Netaji and perhaps Syiem are concerned that Holywarrior is taking an anti-Hindu POV bias into his edits and that he is making abrasive comments against Hindus on the talk page. Since you are the ones who can understand the merits of various "scholars" on these topics or which sources are credible or are propaganda, then it is up to you to sign the initial part. After that other random people can come and put their opinions. If after 48 hours a second person hasn't supported your initialisation then the RfC will be deleted. It is legit for you to start and RfC. So you would probably want Baka - as Netaji is under block or wait until Monday. ''']''' <nowiki>|</nowiki> ] 00:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I thought you meant you were going to start an RfC on Holywarrior ''himself'' not just the article. Like at ] and the personal ones along those lines. ''']''' <nowiki>|</nowiki> ] 01:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


FYI, Nadirali continues to make incivil and derogatory comments in the talk page. Why does he keep trolling it despite your advice to the contrary? ] 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I'm presently doing an RfC on the article ], Regarding HW's edits there, not HW himself.Sorry for the misunderstanding.] 03:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:I have no idea. -- ''']''' 00:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


== Speaking of Pots Calling Kettles Black ==
== regarding RfC ==


Since we're on the subject... it looks quite silly for you to be repeatedly updating me of {{user|Nadirali}}'s provocative statements, while proceeding to make . Please, cut it out, as I'm sure you're familiar with Misplaced Pages's ]. -- ''']''' 01:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I may not be able to actively get involved in the RfC now. But I will see to it later. I would just suggest that you keep your cool as there are times when it is difficult to. Thanks.--]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


== Abuse of Pop-Ups ==


<div style="float:center;border-style:solid;border-color:blue;background-color:AliceBlue;border-width:1px;text-align:left;padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">] '''You have been ]''' for '''persistent personal attacks and incivility''' {{#if:{{{until|}}}|until '''{{{until}}}'''|for a period of '''forty-eight hours'''}}. To contest this block, please reply here on your '''talk page''' by adding the text <nowiki>{{unblock}}</nowiki> along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from ]. -- ''']''' 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC) </div><!-- Template:GBlock -->
Pop up reversions are to be used to revert vandalism. You have abused the pop-up method of reversion at least twice , on both occassions reverting the same ]. Please refrain from this practice, and it is insulting and an abuse of the system. --]\<sup>]</sup> 15:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
: Further, this was unmarked and undiscussed. Please refrain from that also. --]\<sup>]</sup> 15:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


It was not prudent to follow my warning regarding incivility and personal attacks, with ''on my talk page''. You have certainly received sufficient warnings to warrant a block. I'll even post to ] for confirmation. -- ''']''' 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
==RfC==
I owould have filed one on the user instead of Lalu, which I have never edited.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 01:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


{{unblock reviewed|1=It was hardly an incivil comment, and whom was it atatcking? It was an observation based on frustration of tendentious editors who get a free pass on wikipedia while sincere users who strive for accuracy get insulted, harassed, harangued and punished.|decline= It is uncivil to describe a fellow editor as "spreading baseless propaganda," and a violation of NPA to suggest one is suffering "delusions of religious supremacy" or displaying "narrow tribalist ethnocentrism". Declined -- ]<font color="black">e</font>] 02:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)}}
== Actually, you're right. ==


diff:
I failed to realize the mistake in my analogy, and have removed the criticism article from ]. The Hindu article was so long that I thought that ] and ] led to the same article. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


You got yourself blocked just before both us will get a year-long block. C'mon yaar. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
==Re==
Malegaon on my watchlist, Bajrang Dal has been added as well.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 21:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


== Your message ==
Do not revert edits where facts are correctly given.
::Misplaced Pages is not about truth, it's about ].] 22:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


I am shashis, and thank you for your message on my talk page. I am replying late as I am new to wikipedia and did not know that a page such as my talk page existed, I checked it today and found your message. I am still learning the ropes here, and time constraint does not permit me to learn quickly. It seems there are many here with agendas and who do not want correct information to be presented. I have had the first experience with this Ikon ... who seems more interested in making sure that correct information is not presented. He has been playing cat and mouse game with information. Anyway, he is partially responsible for my postings. Initially I had only a passing interest in Misplaced Pages but his rude comments, accusations, and games have made me stay. I don't like bullys. I like to present correct/unbiased information, as much as I can, although it is not possible many times. Happy learning!
:Reversion Ain't Vandalism. If you don't know the rules don't annoy people with your bogus warnings.--] 22:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::Reversion to uncited information IS vandalism on your part and therefore this warning is bogus. Persistence will bring about a request for sanctions.] 22:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::Uncited edits get uncited reversions. That is NOT called vandalism. Again you will only look a fool if you persist with this useless argument --] 22:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
''Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages.


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The most common type of vandalism is the replacement of existing text with obscenities, page blanking, or the insertion of bad jokes or other nonsense. Fortunately, this kind of vandalism is usually easy to spot.
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Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Misplaced Pages. For example, adding a personal opinion once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated.''--] 22:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


== China as an emerging superpower ==
::I'm afraid that I perceive your edits as manifestedly vandalistic as they do not cite and, in the absense of reliable citations, have a tone and characteristic that can be perceived as defamatory. It is certainly possible that your vandalism was unintentional (in the interests of ] I will assume that your edits are unintentionally vandalistic, but vandlistic nonetheless).] 23:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


Mamin is protecting that page from anything Anti-Chinese and seems to have a conflict of views on what a modern-day superpower should be like. He could be a good user though in the future, I simply urge you to place the page on your watchlist. I also found , it is a logical point, can we trust the figures? Anyway, I don't know how to place them in the article as it isn't a point against and some users wouldn't allow me to put such Anti-Chinese stuff as a note in the Factors in Favour section, thus spoiling China's unblemished face. ''']''' <sup></nowiki></font>]]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 05:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::there were no edits, it's called reversion and reversion of '''factually incorrect materials''', which I cited in the 'history' section of the page from the Bible itself, is NOT vandalism. Good day.--] 23:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
If you aren't signed up you can see the article . ''']''' <sup></nowiki></font>]]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 05:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::If I may comment, that article is from 1999. Seven years later after a growth of 10% each year and accession to the ], I think we see a very much different China altogether. Plus, back in 1999, there are not articles of "China as an emerging superpower", nowadays, you see a bunch of them. ] 01:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


== ] ==
*I've asked ] to be more civil in the future. I also wanted to drop you a note and let you know that he's partially correct. Inserting unsourced information is a bad idea, but is not considered vandalism. Instead of edit warring and calling the edits vandalism, next time try asking for a reference or placing <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tags next to the unreferenced material. Thanks. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


This case is now closed and the results have been posted above.
== Re Vandalism ==


*{{Userlinks|BhaiSaab}} is banned for one year.
I think you should contact any admin to report vandalism of your user page. And reg other pages, just be sure that you keep the relevant portions and delete the rest. Actually, even vandals can give some useful suggestions and pointers ;) ]] 04:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
*{{Userlinks|Hkelkar}} editing under any name or anonymous ip is banned from Misplaced Pages for one year.
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*Hkelkar and socks is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at ].
*TerryJ-Ho is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at ].


For the Arbitration committee, ]<sup>]</sup> 06:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
==Possible vandal==
Hello Hkelkar. The IP address has been blocked for POV pushing and removing warnings (see ). If the edit was vandalism, then it is not subject to 3RR. If it is not vandalism, then unfortunately, it is subject to 3RR. Best, overall, to discuss on the talk page of the article. Let me know if you need anyhing else. Thanks, <font color="#007FFF">]</font>''']'''<font color="#007FFF">]</font>•<font color="orange">]</font> 10:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


== Your ban ==


Is an appeal possible? ''']''' <sup></nowiki></font>]]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 06:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::Something to think about. I wish there was some way you could contact me.] 06:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Please do not edit this talk page even for discussion of an appeal. You have been ] which means you are completely prohibited from editing Misplaced Pages for one year. The only reason for a blocked editor to edit his/her talk page is to request an unblock, which isn't permitted for banned users. If you wish to appeal, you may do so by emailing Jimbo Wales directly. Please refrain from editing this page henceforth otherwise it will be locked. Also note that each time you edit, you reset your ban timer to one year from that edit. You are not required to reply to this message. --] 07:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


:::This totally sucks. Well, at least bhaisaab got banned as well.--] 07:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
== Re ] ==


:::::Hkelkar, just learnt about your ban. This is really sad. --<b>]]] | </b><b><sup>]</sup></b>/<b><sub>]</sub></b>\<b><sup>]</sup></b> 06:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I had gone through and made some changes but thanks for your comprehensive overhaul of the page. Respects. --] 17:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


:::::::Its perfectly alright for a user to edit his/her page. If the ban/block doesn't stop them from, they very well may. Where does it say that a user may not edit a page that they have the right and ability to? It is his user page after all. You should also try for an appeal. You're not required to respond to this message, but do so if you see fit. Also, how is that enforcable?]</span> (<small>]</small>) 23:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
== AfD ==


== Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can ==
why do you want to delete it. Let it remain there. You can also check some of the strange claims by ]. We left them there so that people can understand the stupidity of his claims.]] 21:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


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== Offensive user name ==
You have violated the 3rr rule on ] with these partial reverts: , , , . This violation was probably inadvertent so I suggest you take a break. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:I'm not at all becoming hostile, and I don't see any "gaming the system" being done by TerryJ-Ho and myself. This violation is not being reported so just take it easy. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


Kindly see the talk page on Hindu, a user has taken up an offensive user name. What can be done about this. Regards. ] 14:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
== HU ==


== آپ کو کیا ہوا یحود؟ ==
"The hate campaign being unleashed by IDRF affiliates (such as hinduunity.org)", taken from . The "affiliate" is HU, and therefore is being called a hate campaign. ] ] 21:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
: Maybe partisan, but reliable. I did say that "some ''claim'' ... hate campaign", which involves the source.] ] 23:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


اے یحود۔ آپ کو کیا ہوا؟ آپ کہان گیا؟
== Is it 4 castes and outcaste or is it 5 caste? ] ==


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Thanks for your reply - I am not sure that this is very clear in the article. Shouldn't someone make this point more explicitly? --] 10:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


{{unblock reviewed|1=bhaisaab gets away with socking all the time and I get an indefinate|decline=This is not a reason to allow you to violate policy. — ] 19:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)}}
==CfD==
] is up for deletion .] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 14:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


{{unblock reviewed|1=What about ]? Creates a bunch of socks for edit wars and all he gets is one year.Why am I the only one to get indefinate?|decline=An indef block doesn't mean we won't consider unblocking you after a year, it just means we're under no obligation to unblock you after a year. If you don't go sockpuppeting throughout the course of the next year, I'll likely be quite happy to unblock you. I intend to protect your talk page for a couple of days short of one year now. ] 20:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)}}
:We do need good arguers to take on the "secular" users.] <font color = "blue"><sub>]</sub></font> 01:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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So what? Is it necessary that all newspapers carry the same report?MG may be partisan but is not unrelaible.Search Google news today and you will find this url there ] 11:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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== Dalitstan books ==


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Hi Hkelkar. I made section, which you immediately reverted:
# Stopped referring to the Dalitstan books as "books": Books are books, regardless of whether they're published on small presses, print-on-demand, distributed in electronic format, etc. If it looks like a book, there's no reason to refer to them as "books" (surrounded by quotes).
# Removed the reference to "reputable publishing house"; "reputable" is a matter of opinion. The text seems to be taking unnecessary potshots at the books' publishing provenance. Criticism of small presses is off-topic to the Dalitstan article.
# Fixed the formatting of the book titles (italicizing titles, fixing punctuation, etc.)
# Replaced "the magnitude of the claims made in these books are generally contrary to scholarly analyses of Indian History or Indian Culture" with "The works, by several authors, generally mirror Dalitstan's stances on history, culture, and religion.": The original sentence was badly written, and difficult to verify. If you feel that my change detracted, I'd appreciate your contributing a better rewrite.


==File permission problem with File:Lynx2.jpeg==
These changes seem pretty content-neutral, particularly #1-3.
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: Hi Hkelkar. ] deals with criteria to determine whether a work can be used as a reliable citation in Misplaced Pages. That has ''nothing'' to do with the definition of the word "book." There's nothing illogical about saying "John Doe has written three books, the first published by XYZ Books, the second unpublished and being shopped around to publishers, and the third freely available online at www.example.com." The works in question are organized like books, are referred to as such, and copyright/publishing provenance is given. Per your definition, ], ], ], ], ], or ] could never be called books, which makes no sense to me. Removing the quotes around the word "book" in the text is content-neutral and NPOV. ] 00:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


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::: I'm not familiar with Jew Watch. Do they publish anything on their website organized as and referred to as a book? In the book trade, the term "unpublished works" would never be used to refer to books that have been published in electronic format ] 00:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


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::: Your latest changes are a big improvement, but with the caveat that "unpublished works" is still misleading, as all the books are, by definition, published online, and some of them also explicitly state their prior print publishing histories (, ). I'd also mention that the books appear to have been written by several different people at different times, though several are published by the (Dalitstan-linked?) Sudrastan Books. Thanks. ] 00:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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::: You write that "I can show you 'books' that claim that aliens in UFO's are doing mind-control experiments on dogs and Apemen from the Earth's core are secretly plotting to invade the Earth". I totally agree. ] states that there were . Per ], 90% of that is crud; I'm sure you don't believe that all 375,000 of those books are reputable and wonderful and well-edited. A book is just a kind of textual work, like a poem, pamphlet, essay, sonnet, email, blog post, etc.; you seem to be assuming that the word "book" implies immediate reputability for the contents. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them a non-person; labeling a hateful book a non-book doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Critique the contents, not the format. ] 01:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


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:::: Incidentally, thanks for continuing to discuss this. Arguing about tiny edits can be exhausting. As you've probably noticed, I tend to be a stickler for accuracy on book-related topics. Thanks. ] 02:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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Material for Muslim Caste System and Fatwa-i-Jahandari in Indian caste system

  1. Arthashastra of Kautilya and Fatawa-i-Jahandari of Ziauddin Barani : an analysis / by Arbind Das.
  2. The political theory of the Delhi sultanate: Including a translation of Ziauddin Barani's Fatawa-i Jahandari, circa, 1358-9 A.D by Mohammad Habib
  3. Foundations of Indian Political Thought by V.R. Mehta
  4. Ideology, Modernization and Politics of India by V.R. Mehta



Extra material for Christian Castes in Indian caste system

  1. http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IET20030413133514&Topic=&Title=This%20is%20India&Page=O
  2. http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/10/stories/2004041010410300.htm
  3. http://www.dalitchristians.com/Html/DCLMtocbci.htm
  4. The Lopsided Spread of Christianity: Toward an Understanding of the Diffusion of Religions By Robert L. Montgomery
  5. Caste and Christianity: Attitudes and Policies on Caste of Anglo-Saxon Protestant Missions in India. by Duncan B. Forrester Journal of Asian Studies, Vol. 41, No. 4 (Aug., 1982), pp. 865-866

Extra material for Latin American Caste system in Caste

  1. Caste in a peasant society by Marvin Tumin
  2. Human tradition in colonial Latin America by K. Andrien (establishes history)
  3. Born in Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America by J Chasteen
  4. Latin American Civilization: History and Society, 1492 to the Present B. Keen (clearly mentions caste system)
  5. Race and Nation in Modern Latin America by James Herriot et al. Talks about caste system today

DYK's

Updated DYK query On 21 September, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article poverty in Pakistan, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

User:Hkelkar put a strong effort on Poverty in Pakistan - Bakaman Bakatalk 02:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstars ^_^

I, User:Deepak gupta, hereby award you the Exceptional Newcomer award for your contributions to South Asia-related articles. Good job!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
To Hkelkar for his contributions to articles related to Jews, India, Caste and Hinduism --NRS | /M\ 08:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


The Original Barnstar
For working extensively on articles related to the Indian subcontinent I, Freedom skies 17:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC), award you with this Original Barnstar.
Hindu Barnstar
Project Hinduism given by Dangerous-Boy (talk · contribs)

For all the crap you go through.--D-Boy 18:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles

interesting discussion --D-Boy 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#South_Asia_versus_Indian_sub-continent

"South Asian Caste System" anyone? Bakaman Bakatalk 17:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: BAd Faith Assumptions

Dear HKelkar, first of all thanks for pointing me to the WP:AGF and WP:Civility. I will keep them in mind. But please note that the article in question, has no reference to caste based struggle as discussed on Talk:Indian_caste_system#.22Woman_raped_on_Train_by_Dalits. I suggest keeping in mind the facts we should try to remove the misinterpretation of facts. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 17:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Hkelkar as per the article the crime has indeed been committed by dalit party activists, but where is the point of caste based struggle in it, see the news paper report ]. Didn't we discuss all this on talk page of the article in question. The article already has many short comings, why induce another. Thanks and looking for your kind cooperation ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 18:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Dear HKelkar, thanks for pointing me to Burakumin, I agree there should be no whitewashing under any circumstances to present a rosy picture. But the caste based angle in the article in question is more of criminal nature; and the power, the criminals in them, assert is that they are part of a political entity, maybe governed by people in power, who need their muscles during elections and for gathering crowds, and in return will save the criminals from the law of the land. Then by this yard stick all and any crimes committed by any one belonging to any caste, political party for whatever reason would merit a mention in the article. Just because the world caste/ ambedkar/ dalit appears in the news should not merit its mention, as I still cant see any relation to caste struggle here. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
If a balanced view is required, then why not put up something that is actually related to article and has some element of caste struggle. What about this in a balanced manner ] in place of what is already there. I request you to present some mention of real caste struggle and not crimes by (substitute your favorite word here dalit/ brahmin/ upper caste etc). Cheers ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
And what about removing the section in question.ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Urdu#trying_.22too_hard.22

Kind of amusing.--D-Boy 02:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks HKelkar.

Thanks HKelkar, I am short of words to describe the wrongs. There are some websites which allege that Hindu religion has it's roots in christainity. This is sufficiently irritating. Some anonymous editer included these (external) website links in the article. Which I removed. The same found place on talk page, seeking permission for inclusion in article by the anonymous editor. I removed these links, as through subversive means, the links were placed for viewing who view the article. The discussion for inclusion was clearly opposed by all. I removed the links from talk page. There was no objection from anyone. After some days Abecedare restored the links. I remove them, he reverts and give me a 3RR notice. Then, he goes for admin community views. I fail to express and object to the subversive way. I fail to understand the intention of Abecedare. Should the Misplaced Pages policy conveniently interpreted and used for nefarious activities?

swadhyayee 04:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

New Rock Star

Hi Hkelkar, I saw the article and the latest edits. We must try to constructively discuss the changes and work on improving the article. Currently, it looks in a mess. The section on Hindutva views and Dalit views is unreferenced and POV. Do all Dalits have the same view. And whose view is it actually. I think, we need a cited historical scholarly view.

Anyway, we'll talk more on that. I have repaired the e-mail link. It's working now. Mail me. Bye for now. Keep rockin' --NRS | /M\ 07:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Is this true HKelkar? I would never like anyone to be blocked for an year and would also not like someone to give such cause. God Bless You. swadhyayee 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


Refs

Note: These refs are for my research purposes only, please do not type between them.

These should provide some perspective on why many Pakistani editors are arguing over Indian history on wikipedia.
School Books That Teach Children To Hate in Pakistan:
The Menace of Sectarian Education,Pakistan's NW Province Makes Quran Lessons Compulsory - From the Wall Street Journal
The subtle subversion:Islamic Fundamentalism and Brainwashing in Pakistan (news today)
Pakistani social studies textbooks creating havoc:
Pakistan, A Failed State (BBC)
Pakistan once again terrorism central
Just whose side is Pakistan really on?
SECTARIAN IDENTITIES OF MUSLIMS:" a house divided” - by R Upadhyay
MINORITY SEPARATISM IN INDIA: THE MUSLIM MINORITY - B.Raman
Of the 500 missing Pakistanis, 375 are in Gujarat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hkelkar (talk • contribs) 21:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

ArbComm

Hi Hkelkar - there's a post at WP:AN about your current editing - I've also sent you an email about it. It's probably best if the only editing you do is within your user-space, at least until December 19th. Just create sub-pages if you want, to work on additions to articles. Thanks Martinp23 19:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Indus Valley sites

This pak as been untagging indus valley with the indian tag on it. Could use some help on this. Szhaider (talk · contribs) seems to be behind it. He takes the tag off harappa civilization and other indic historic sites as well.--D-Boy 21:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system

I didn't realize there was more about mobility in the criticism section. Thanks for moving it up. BhaiSaab 23:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You have violated WP:3RR by removing part of what I just added, i.e. "individual mobility among castes was generally rare." I ask that you undo this. BhaiSaab 23:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Nope, no 3RR here. I'll double check my edits though since you say that. BhaiSaab 23:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Aw. He came back.--D-Boy 01:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
You problably should have called the FBI on him. I know I would have.--D-Boy 02:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles_-_2

Voting on the use of indic scripts.--D-Boy 01:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia_talk:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics#Proposal--D-Boy 04:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)_<!"> _<!">

Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule?

How does it work? Szhaider (talk · contribs) is being a bit stubborn.--D-Boy 05:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Warning regarding Indian caste system

I have not protected the article, but be aware that excessive reversions of the article may lead to a 3RR block. Take the discussion to the talk page to avoid that. -- tariqabjotu 16:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system Mediation

Please take a look at Talk:Indian caste system/Mediation (December 2006) and begin populating the "issues to be mediated" regarding the Indian caste system article. Also, please sign below Parties' agreement to mediate stating that you "agree" to mediate or "recuse" yourself from the dispute resolution process. Thanks in advance. -- tariqabjotu 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Lists of people by caste--D-Boy 05:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra

No matter what Indian PC media calls it shouldnt it be titled 2006 Dalit riots in Maharashtra raher than 2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra?

P.S I was just being sarcastic on the other article! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 20:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


Reversion

Sorry mate, it looked like a deletion of material. You did nothing wrong and my reversion was accendental. Thanks for your understanding, Dfrg.msc 00:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Your encouragement and supporting of users to add commentry...

Do not encourage/support users to add commentary to wiki articles. I find it pretty I ironic you remove comments on talk-pages, which are directed at you, and consequently. You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles. Please do not do this. Or I will have to issue you a warning and also mention this in your RfA pending case. You should take a break from edition wiki articles for a few months. --StreetScholar 15:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles.

Look who's talking! Moveon chavboy People living in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 19:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Revival

The people who are doing violence are low-caste-Hindus. They are not Buddhists. The India Buddhist population is less than 0.8%. So restrict yourself before making false claims. Pkulkarni 15:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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Intrguing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Hindushudra

&

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Pkulkarni

I am a member of Sechdule Caste from India and consider all Indians as Shudras. अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 19:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

السلام علیکم

hello as-salam alaykum Hkelkar Please forgive me, English not is perfect. You seem to write many anti Islamic remarks and have bias viewpoint towards India & Israel. Please keep your biases off Misplaced Pages جزخ اللہ خیر —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esteqlal (talk • contribs) 20:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

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I'm sorry, personal attack? There was no personal attack, rather just a constructive criticism from one Misplaced Pages editor to another. Also, please refrain from deleting my posts on your talk page, as you do not own them. (You may archive this page, however.) Also, please remove your silly writings from my talk page. :) I hope you keep these (constructive) criticisms in mind!

User warned

for making personal attacks. Hkelkar 20:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering

Are you biased? Do you believe you are bias-free? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.163.151.18 (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Apology

Hkelkar, I'm very sorry I accused you of Wikistalking. It was poor judgement, a poor reading of Misplaced Pages policy, and in very bad faith.

I also apologise for the initial comments I made. I assumed you were doing a complete hatchet job, I barely read the articles in question, and I misread them in my haste and uncalled-for anger to boot.

Furthermore, I attempted to pit you and Ambroodey against your fellow editors. This was not only incredibly disruptive, but trollish on every level. I tried to use a painful topic for my own purposes and forced you to defend yourself.

In reality, I have never treated you correctly. I should have responded to your second post to me as a good faith attempt to work with me. I didn't discuss the article with you, and try to work out any differences we had.

I did these things out of my arrogance and ignorance of Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines. What I did last night, however, is simply indefensible and wrong on a basic human level.

Again, I humbly apolgise, and I sincerely pray for your happiness, if not forgiveness.

NinaEliza 08:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Buddhism in modern India

India Buddhist revival/Dalit Buddhist Movement/Buddhist Revival in India has been moved to Buddhism in modern India. utcursch | talk 15:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

As you might be aware that Pkulkarni (talk · contribs) and his/her socks have been blocked (see Talk:Dalit Buddhist movement). User:Pkulkarni (with his sock accounts) was the only person opposed to an article with the title Dalit Buddhist movement or Ambedkarite Buddhism. Other involved parties such as User:Hkelkar, User:AMbroodEY, Nat Krause, and NinaEliza support for separate article about Dalit Buddhist movement. So, I've moved the article to Dalit Buddhist movement. The content about non-Ambedkarite Buddhism has been removed and addded to Buddhism in India. Sorry for all the confusion. I hope I'm finally fixing this. Thanks. utcursch | talk 15:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Your recent changes in Gujarat Riots Page

What can one construe of your recent edits where - where you have 1. removed the title of the HRW report entitled "We have no orders to save you.. to HRW report while you have added a blog on Sulekha to the article?Please change it back to the original title and remove the link to the Blog MerryJ-Ho 21:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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If you think SAAG is notable put it..don't threaten..MerryJ-Ho 22:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • So finally, you have put that link - did you read the fine print on that article - The writer is an undergraduate from Princeton University. The views expressed are his own. Contacted at e-mail: abahl@princeton.edu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TerryJ-Ho (talk MerryJ-Ho 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)• contribs) 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

The whole set of articles supporting that there was and is a rampant Boycott of Muslims in the BJP ruled state of Gujarat.I am copying them again.Please revert the changes back to where they were. MerryJ-Ho 10:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

After riots, it’s economic boycott call -

  • Hkelkar - Below this is tantamount to Assuming Bad Faith and Original Research as well as threatening to use WP as a Soapbox.Make sure that you understand that I am not baiting you, just in case you wish to justify any action based on these edit of yours MerryJ-Ho 11:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar's comments follow: Dude, give up the propaganda soapboxing. None of these incidents happened in the year in question.Hkelkar 11:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)And no, I will not restore your egregious misrepresentations. The "boycott" is not a riot, it's a peaceful act so it does not belong in the article. If you do that then I will post a deluge of articles showing how Muslims in Gujarat are in collusion with Pakistan, the rise of fundamentalism, and the terrorist attacks on Narendra Modi. So do not go there buddy. Hkelkar 11:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm using wikipedia as a soapbox???What the heck^H^H^H^HGehennem have you been doing?????Hkelkar 11:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is apparent you are sopaboxing - Please don't use this contemptuous language.These kind of "heck^H^H^H^HGehennem " don't add any value to the discussion MerryJ-Ho 11:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Sulekha and Sabrang – any of those websites cannot be used as reliable sources. Please read WP:RS properly. — Nearly Headless Nick 13:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hkelkar, Only to you buddy MerryJ-Ho 20:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't understand

I simply never read the article, until the title changed. I still haven't read the whole thing in detail, but I believe it.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely, NinaEliza 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration Page and Islamism

You have a section on the arbitration page in which I assume you will attempt to prove that "User:TerryJ-Ho supports Islamism..." My question to you is: so what if he supports Islamism? BhaiSaab 15:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Book Link on Persecution of Hindus

Regarding your most recent edits to anti-Hindu and Persecution of Hindus, the link you supplied was to Hindu Unity, which does not satisfy the wikipedia criterion for WP:Reliable Sources. However, the book is real, published by an accredited source and the author is an accredited scholar (Gurbachan Singh Talib) and the book is verified by a google books link. Therefore, I changed the citation accordingly (it's the same book, just from a more reliable source). See these diffs Thanks.Hkelkar 03:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

209.197.162.110 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#Hinduism_WikiProject_Award

Since you commented on the Hinduism barnstar proposal I recommend you looking at the new designs introduced by User:Priyanath. Thank you. Gizza 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Taking leeways when it suits

Nice job

You got all of us banned for one year. BhaiSaab 00:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This matter is no longer in our hands. There is no time. BhaiSaab 00:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right. I did say that I was willing to go down with you, and although I am still willing, I never expected it to happen. I wonder if you will ever confess to being the same person. BhaiSaab 00:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For you addition to the Dalit Buddhist Movement article. I wish you the best and continue to pray. I'll be around. Sincerely, NinaEliza 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: After seeing a few recent bits of edits and discussion, I currently have much more faith in you coming back and being a great editor and community member than I do in BhaiSaab. NinaEliza 05:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks

In case you haven't been warned already, per the evidence at WP:ANI#Xenophobia... <Discussion has been archived at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive155#Xenophobia>

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Your Comments at WP:AN/I

  • It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Chabuk 05:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I noticed most of you've pointed out. Unfortunately, I'm not an administrator, so my warnings and advice are just that, advice. That being said, you received the warning simply because you reacted harshly to his provocation. As someone who has been in your situation before, I strongly recommend that you either ignore him completely or if absolutely necessary, open a Request for Comment/User. -- Chabuk 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Warning

It's good to know you've been warned of personal attacks before.I just informed the administrator of the xenophobia you've been promoting on the discussion page,along with personal attacks,racist comments etc.I couldn't help but noticing you and D-Boy concspiring against another Pakistani usser.I also find it curious that you and your freinds happen to post approximately around the same time when grouping against me and other Pakistani wikipedians.Is it possible that you collaborate on the phone or on MSN before posting on talk pages along with luanching personal attacks,stereotypes etc?

Intersting how you and your pals almost tricked me into getting myself blocked.Better luck next time.I warn you from trying similar tricks again in the future.Also dont threaten user:Saddiqui or other users by pulling them into edit wars and then trying to portray them as the instigators.Most people have alot more common sense than you think.Nadirali 05:44, 9 December 2006

Yes because wikipedia is our life and we take the time and money to call each other (and all our "Hindutva POV-pushing friends" who are really strangers working on the 'pedia) long distance across the pacific ocean, rocky mountains, mississippi river just to deal with a few trolls. Bakaman 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

FYI, Nadirali continues to make incivil and derogatory comments in the talk page. Why does he keep trolling it despite your advice to the contrary? Hkelkar 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea. -- tariqabjotu 00:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Pots Calling Kettles Black

Since we're on the subject... it looks quite silly for you to be repeatedly updating me of Nadirali (talk · contribs)'s provocative statements, while proceeding to make comments like these. Please, cut it out, as I'm sure you're familiar with Misplaced Pages's civility policy. -- tariqabjotu 01:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


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It was not prudent to follow my warning regarding incivility and personal attacks, with this comment on my talk page. You have certainly received sufficient warnings to warrant a block. I'll even post to WP:ANI for confirmation. -- tariqabjotu 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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Request reason:

It was hardly an incivil comment, and whom was it atatcking? It was an observation based on frustration of tendentious editors who get a free pass on wikipedia while sincere users who strive for accuracy get insulted, harassed, harangued and punished.

Decline reason:

It is uncivil to describe a fellow editor as "spreading baseless propaganda," and a violation of NPA to suggest one is suffering "delusions of religious supremacy" or displaying "narrow tribalist ethnocentrism". Declined -- Rockpocket 02:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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You got yourself blocked just before both us will get a year-long block. C'mon yaar. BhaiSaab 03:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Your message

I am shashis, and thank you for your message on my talk page. I am replying late as I am new to wikipedia and did not know that a page such as my talk page existed, I checked it today and found your message. I am still learning the ropes here, and time constraint does not permit me to learn quickly. It seems there are many here with agendas and who do not want correct information to be presented. I have had the first experience with this Ikon ... who seems more interested in making sure that correct information is not presented. He has been playing cat and mouse game with information. Anyway, he is partially responsible for my postings. Initially I had only a passing interest in Misplaced Pages but his rude comments, accusations, and games have made me stay. I don't like bullys. I like to present correct/unbiased information, as much as I can, although it is not possible many times. Happy learning!

best shashis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shashis (talk • contribs) 02:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

China as an emerging superpower

Mamin is protecting that page from anything Anti-Chinese and seems to have a conflict of views on what a modern-day superpower should be like. He could be a good user though in the future, I simply urge you to place the page on your watchlist. I also found this, it is a logical point, can we trust the figures? Anyway, I don't know how to place them in the article as it isn't a point against and some users wouldn't allow me to put such Anti-Chinese stuff as a note in the Factors in Favour section, thus spoiling China's unblemished face. Nobleeagle 05:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC) If you aren't signed up you can see the article here as well. Nobleeagle 05:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

If I may comment, that article is from 1999. Seven years later after a growth of 10% each year and accession to the World Trade Organization, I think we see a very much different China altogether. Plus, back in 1999, there are not articles of "China as an emerging superpower", nowadays, you see a bunch of them. 128.101.105.79 01:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar

This case is now closed and the results have been posted above.

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Your ban

Is an appeal possible? Nobleeagle 06:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Something to think about. I wish there was some way you could contact me.Hkelkar 06:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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This totally sucks. Well, at least bhaisaab got banned as well.--D-Boy 07:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hkelkar, just learnt about your ban. This is really sad. --NRS | /M\ 06:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Its perfectly alright for a user to edit his/her page. If the ban/block doesn't stop them from, they very well may. Where does it say that a user may not edit a page that they have the right and ability to? It is his user page after all. You should also try for an appeal. You're not required to respond to this message, but do so if you see fit. Also, how is that enforcable?Darth Zantetsuken (Grovel/Beg/Praise) 23:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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Offensive user name

Kindly see the talk page on Hindu, a user has taken up an offensive user name. What can be done about this. Regards. 59.178.10.68 14:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

آپ کو کیا ہوا یحود؟

اے یحود۔ آپ کو کیا ہوا؟ آپ کہان گیا؟

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Request reason:

bhaisaab gets away with socking all the time and I get an indefinate

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This is not a reason to allow you to violate policy. — Yamla 19:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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Request reason:

What about Siddiqui? Creates a bunch of socks for edit wars and all he gets is one year.Why am I the only one to get indefinate?

Decline reason:

An indef block doesn't mean we won't consider unblocking you after a year, it just means we're under no obligation to unblock you after a year. If you don't go sockpuppeting throughout the course of the next year, I'll likely be quite happy to unblock you. I intend to protect your talk page for a couple of days short of one year now. Nick 20:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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