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| :'''This process has been discontinued per ].''' | |||
| == New reports == | |||
| The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on ] ], was intended as a counterpart to ]. A person with complaints over ] could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page. | |||
| ==={{User|Hkelkar}} and {{User|TwoHorned}}=== | |||
| From TwoHorned: This user (HKelkar) has made blatant attacks against me on ] and and : | |||
| * He has been accusing me of antisemitism because I just used the word "neocon". I asked him to back his claims, he never did. | |||
| * He is accusing me of being defnbanned ] under another name. | |||
| * The user is adopting a persecuting approach by systematically menacing. | |||
| Here are the quotations of that person, found in the above mentionned links: | |||
| * '''''If you continue to violate WP:BLP in this manner and make the "neocon" anti-semitic canard (you actually mean "Jew", right?) against Pipes then it is grounds for reporting in BLP noticebaard''''' | |||
| * '''''You made the statement "neocon" in the header of the article talk page Talk:Koenraad Elst#Controversies about Elst's links with the neocons and the extreme right, as well as several times in the conversation. The term "neocon" is a pejorative for neoconservatives generally regarded as an insult and with connotations of an ethnic slur as, historically, anti-semites have used it to make accusations of neoconservatism being "dominated by Jews", "controlled by Jews" or "espousing dual loyalty to Israel" etc.''''' | |||
| * '''''Plus, I will file an RFCU against you as I suspect that you are a sock of indefbanned User:Robert Lindsay''''' | |||
| This user is making grave accusations at me without any backing of his claims. He did not accepted my good-faith explanation of the use of the word "neocon" as an abbreviation for "neoconservative" without any antisemitic connotation. He did not reply to my comment that the word "neocon" is currently used in many Misplaced Pages articles. In the case cited here, it is quite easy to see how false his accusations are, just by reading the pages above. ] 16:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Response from Hkelkar:This user ] got blocked for edit-warring on ] and not seems mad about it. He never cited any diffs or anything.Plus, he has referred to me as "Bozo" in his edit summaries and and despite my NPA templating him . He responded with some harangue about how he's not an anti-semite whereas he clearly meant it as an antisemitic canard while describing ] on ]. He has committed ] violations on both personalities and has been admonished to that effect not just by me but also by users ] and ] in the same article see .He persists making npa attacks but I did not complain against him as I am tired of him and only wish to ignore him from now on. However, his little tantrum here drew my attention and left me with no choice but to respond.I urge admins to investigate the full matter (see our conversation on TwoHorned's talk page ] where I have been very civilized and polite and he has progressively degenerated into rants and raves) before executing summary judgement. Thanks and have a nice day.] 17:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While ] is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite ]. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and ] on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was ], with the result that the noticeboard was closed on {{#formatdate:10 January 2007}}. | |||
| ::This user TwoHorned has himself called others "bonzos". His editing pattern show that he has an agenda that could violate WP:BLP, in that he is for example adding poorly sourced attacks on people like Koenraad Elst. | |||
| ::The user TwoHorned claims that his use of the word "neocon" as an abbreviation for "neoconservative" has no antisemitic connotation at all, but , , and this user makes direct connections between neocons, the extreme right, Jewish or pro-Israel groups and the the Israeli right.--] 17:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the ], ] or, as a last resort, ]. | |||
| ==={{User|Street Scholar}}=== | |||
| The user has made disparaging attacks against me on ] . he has refused to cooperate with my dispute resolution process with ] as the mediator (who has worked very hard to engage in good faith DR process initiated by me concerning his edits) and consistently makes incivil comments. He has a history of making racist and sexist remarks and for which he has been censured by admins . I would NPA-warn him but I fear that he will only escalate in his disruption if I do, based on his tendentious edits , and and many other places which show consitent assumption of bad faith and veiled ethnic slurs against users that are getting disruptive. I abjectly request admin intervention.Thanks.] 12:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::'''Update:'''Actually I just remembered that I HAD warned him informally for violating ] as well as ] in edit. The warning is so I have warned him.] 12:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==={{User|RPJ}}=== | |||
| Above user has been blocked on at least four separate occasions for personal attacks and general trolling. User has difficulty with assuming good faith, using reliable sources, and ] even when users go out of their way to inform him that the problem with his edit is not the content but the sources he chooses to use. But more important than that, user continues to write long diatribes against editors such as and implying that myself and Gamaliel are government agents trying to supress his voice. User has been warned through his previous block and I also warned him . ] 23:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| A simple matter of questioning an unreliable source is greeted with a full blown attack. This user - who has been repeatedly blocked for various offenses - does not play well with other editors and a community ban should be considered. ] 00:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Ernham}}=== | |||
| This user has received both <nowiki>{{npa2}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{npa2}}</nowiki> warnings, as well as numerous informal warnings. Personal attacks have continued such as calling me a "stalker" and calling honest edits "massive vandalism/total lies/complete NPOV non-sense" and honest editors vandals . Editor also has the habit of calling people stupid or not understanding his own "logic" for example and "stop correcting your damn spelling mistakes so i can respond, too. Yes, I know you can't spell very well." | |||
| User has replaced personal attacks, even after they've been removed and he's been warned . | |||
| Using this noticeboard is not a move I take lightly, this is the first time I have had the occasion to since I joined the project in 2004. ] 10:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *This editor is already blocked for ] violations. Since this appears to be an ongoing problem, I'd highly suggest ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 19:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *] has many personal attacks and much edit warring in his history, and is a rather single-purpose account. I have warned him that if he continues he will be blocked. —]→] • 18:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Nagarajachar}}=== | |||
| Hi ] has been constantly provking me, inspite of warnings, now he is accusing me of putting nonsense material on Misplaced Pages, u can see my contributions in my homepage and i am open for discussions , can u warn him please--] 10:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :* Please supply at least one or two diffs of these personal attacks - especially in light of the fact that it appears that ] recently advised you on the inappropriateness of replying with attacks of your own. You ned to show us exactly what it is that's been said that you feel constitutes a personal attack. --] 11:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * I have warned ] that his comments were inappropriate and that if he continues he will be blocked. I have told ] that he should not respond to personal attacks angrily. —]→] • 17:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| === {{User|JJay}} === | |||
| {{vandal|JJay}} does not contribute to actual articles, but merely votes in afds. Recently, he has almost exclusively limited his activites to stalking my afds. This includes the current ]. There is only two articles he has been concerned with in the last 7 days: One is a sex toy afd and the other is my afd. | |||
| This user has been doing this to my edits and most recently confronted him on his talk and he gave : "If you nominate articles for deletion you should expect to encounter differing points of view." Independently another addressed his behavior, but that admin had to step away from wikipedia. | |||
| Examples of the disruptive behavior in my afds in the past few weeks: | |||
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| *] (Not mine, but voted right after me, see comments on this one-- he didn't even bother looking at the article.) | |||
| *] See his comments about me (the nom) | |||
| Clearly this user is ] me. | |||
| Trying to address these issues with this user is not possible as he removes comments from and does so . ] 04:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Have you tried warning him that his actions may result in a block, and that he can see every AfD that's currently going on at ]? That may help. It's possible he's wikistalking you because he likes to participate in AfDs, and doesn't know of the list.--]] ] 04:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Yes, and on his talk not to mention in various other places. I first mention his ill-treatment of my comments in . This user does not contribute to the editting or improving wikipedia at all. ] 04:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :* Arbustoo's post here is baseless. I have made no attacks on this user nor am I "stalking" him (although he has admitted stalking me to various articles). He is a frequent nominator on AfD and I have participated in just a small portion of those nominations. However, he has a long history of reacting with hostility, sarcasm and personal attacks on anyone who "votes" keep in one of those nominations. His language and style of comments in these debates are not acceptable and often cross the line into personal attack. Some examples include: , , , , etc. | |||
| :* This behavior has frequently led to complaints from other users , , and I have previously warned him to tone down his language and not to shadow my AfD participation , , . Finally, his remark about not contributing "to actual articles" is absurd. I invite anyone to review my many thousands of edits. In fact, even editors who disagree with my philosophical approach to article inclusion at wikipedia have called me . --] 12:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: You do engaged in childish actitivies, and should be blocked. Your "evidence" is bogus the full quote of Brenneman was "JJay can also be a valuable contributor. He drives me mental and we agree on almost nothing, this is true. But he's passionate and prolix. The desired outcome is that everyone can contibute without friction. That may be difficult." Hence "can be" is much different than "an incredibly valuable contributor." ] 17:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*Well, after reading that, I think if anyone should be temporarily blocked it's Arbustoo. I'm not an administrator, though, so this issue needs to wait until one comes along and makes a decision.--]] ] 16:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Perhaps you should look at the context. ] 17:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :There you have it JJay denies WPSTALK: "I have made no attacks on this user nor am I 'stalking' him". Funny look through history and look through mine. He is gaming wikipedia and should be blocked. ] 17:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I see no evidence of personal attacks by ], and ] is unduly focusing on him for some reason. —]→] • 17:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| His edit history almost exactly corresponds to my afds: | |||
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| *] (Not mine, but voted right after me, see comments on this one-- he didn't even bother looking at the article.) | |||
| *] See his comments about me (the nom) ] 17:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==={{User|Pumpkin Pie}}=== | |||
| *]: User made threats of physical violence against User 4.18GB. . I have warned him twice about personal attacks and he seems to continue and even tries to justify it on my talk page . --] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 21:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * User has continued attacks, . --] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 01:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::No more PA since final warning. I left a stern warning that no further PA will be tolerated. ] 11:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I blocked him for 24 hours. —]→] • 17:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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- This process has been discontinued per this discussion.
The personal attack intervention noticeboard (PAIN), created on 7 October 2005, was intended as a counterpart to the request for intervention against vandalism page. A person with complaints over personal attacks could, after giving warnings, report a personal attacker on this page.
Unfortunately, the noticeboard generated a considerable amount of controversy. While vandalism is usually a clear cut case, and administrator intervention (i.e. blocking) is usually uncontroversial, determining whether a comment is a personal attack, incivil, or just simply blunt and frank, can be quite subjective. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and wikilawyering on this page. Even after several warnings as well as changes to the header designed to instruct users on how to use this page, this noticeboard continued to deteriorate. Due to this deterioration as well as some particularly poor exchanges in December 2006, the entire page was nominated for deletion, with the result that the noticeboard was closed on 10 January 2007.
The closure of this noticeboard does not mean that personal attacks are tolerated; they should never be. It simply means that complaints over personal attacks are moved to different, and more appropriate venues such as the administrators' noticeboard, dispute resolution or, as a last resort, arbitration.
Procedure
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