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The changes you have made today to ] goes against extensive discussion held in the talk pages. The information on the Tamil music and Tamil trinity have been fully cited. I will be reverting your edits. If you want to make such extensive changes first discuss and let us reach a consensus - ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 20:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
:btw, am not sure Venu is an admin. I may be mistaken though. ] 22:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
::No. Any user can revert anybody's edits. Even you can revert his edits if you want. What I am not sure is that he is an admin. Atleast I dont see it mentioned on his user page. ] 22:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
:::btw, it is not just Carnatic music. Similar chauvinistic colour is being given to Bharatanatya article also. Atleast that was the way it was when I last saw it. I havent checked that article in a few months. ] 22:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
::::To use an aussie expression, don't get your knickers in a knot over this. All wanted you to do was go through the past '''extensive''' discussions that have happened in the past in the Carnatic music page before you run though the article and make extensive changes. All past changes have been discussed and agreed. Any mention of the Tamil music influence in the evolution of Carnatic music has been cited properly according to ]. You cannot arbitarairly change content without discussion. That is my only point. I am not trying to impose my so called POV here. FYI I am not an admin. I am just a productive editor. Not a spammer. - ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 23:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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:::Calling someone a is considered a personal attack. Always comment on the edits, not the editor. I never called you a spammer. I said 'I am not a spammer'. Read the Carnatic music talk page calmly. Read ] justification for inclusion of the ''Adi Trinity''. The article does not claim that the Tamil Trinity were suprior than the Carnatic Trinity. - ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 23:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
:Hi Kris, is what I had written long back. If anybody says that a consensus was reached about adi trinity and that I was part of that consensus, then, fair to say, its a lie. ] 00:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
:. <small>note that in this I've brought in Appar.. that is probably an error. But my main argument holds. btw pardon the harsh lang in this diff, if it hurts you as a Tamilian. Also note that in this diff also I've asserted that ''tamil isai'' is NOT Carnatic music.</small> ] 00:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::While we are indulging going over past history, let me also include a diff to give the other side. This is from ] . Nowhere did the article claim that ] was Carnatic music. ''All'' it said was the evolution of Carnatic music was influenced by Ancient Tamil music rather than any northern islamic influences as Hindustani music was. Now, if you want to mention that Ancient Kannada and Telugu music also had influences, by all means include them and write separate articles about these similar to the ] article.
::The article also '''does not''' claim that the three Tamil composer who happen to live before the well known carnatic Trinity were superior to the Trinity. While outlining the history of Carnatic music, it is essential to include major contributors to the evolution. The Tamil composers such as Muthu Thandavar do belong in that mention. It is not POV, but fact. There is no claim of Tamil superiority in this. In fact I am the one who had done major clean up of the article and created the dozens of articles in the ]. I have no POV to push. It seems to me that you and Sarvagnya have a POV against Tamil contributions to Carnatic music.- ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 00:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


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::I had removed the extreme povs of this pov pusher few days ago.It looks like I have to repeat it again.-] 06:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


: I have not added any unsourced content, I simply removed biased non NPOV content. Please stop edit warring or explain why you want to include biased sources. ] (]) 10:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
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I think you are being unnecessary sensitive and making uncalled for changes in the articles for no valid reasons (For instance on Kambhoji). And the nomenclature Majestic Kambhoji is not POV. Other noted Musicologists also call Kamboji as Majestic Raga because it's definitely so.
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If you find other Ragas qualified as Majestic, let it be so too. It does not hurt anybody. Since Kambhoji has been qualified as Majestic, Royal, noble etc (wheter for subjectve reasons or otherwise) by many Musuicologists, the Majestic qualifier is therefore not out of place and should stand. That only means that Kambhoji is indeed ragarded as such by the Sangit maestros. Hence it is not out of place to refer to the Raga as such in Misplaced Pages if the Raga finds similar mention in other sites also.
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I pity you. What is your aim in wikipedia. I know you are very jelousy.
I found you tried to give request to delete the article of both Concerts by Yesudas and and Album by Yesudas.


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I think that is good. But I really felt your mentality. If there is an article of Yesudas it is nothing to reduce for chembai. Since some time I checked your Personal attack on Yesudas and Balamurali krishna. I know you are either a relative or a fan of Checmbai.


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It is nice to meet a jelousy. I request you please out from wikipedia.


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I understand that you are not pushing povs there.But regarding those articles related to Yesudas , pls see wiki guidline ] & ].-] 08:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you for your suggestion. However, it would not be necessary since Tamil Martial Arts itself has an array of empty hand and weapons fighting arts. In Kerala, there are many empty hand and weapons fighting techniques of its own. Therefore it would be good to leave Tami Martial arts by itself, but also to keep it as a See Also in the Dravidian Martial Arts section. Also, I plan to expand Dravidian Martial arts section to includ Andra Pradesh and Karnataka. It would be great to find the fighting techniques of those states as well. I have heard that there is a Silambam style of art in Karnataka and Andra Pradesh with its own names. As soon as I find out more info on those arts it will be added to the Dravidian Martial Arts page. Much regards.

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==Chembai==
The article is looking good. I'm a bit busy these days. Will take a look and post my comments soon. Keep the good work coming.--]<sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 13:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Hi SrKris ==

Dear Srkris, I was just note this things to some people who belong to south India. It was not a personal attack to you. I just asked them to modify this article. because this article had started by me. This is not a personal information of Yesudas. This is only Album or concert details. This article belong to Live album, Concert category not personal or living person. I am sorry In this way. And If you think so it is personal please try to modify this into a standard Version. I know you can do this well.
Rgds ] 05:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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Kris, perhaps the recent contributions have changed, but I don't see any issue with Parthi's contributions on a passing glance. Such issues, if raised, will need careful scrutiny and would warrant an ] and I can't simply act on my own. Moreover, I don't want to take any direct ''discretionary'' admin action against anyone in this issue. I'll only offer my suggestions and comments. I seriously wish that both sides just drop the fight and start engaging in constructive dialogue. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 06:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kris. Glad to see your confidence in my neutrality. The fact that you're ready to apologise for whatever little offense that you might have caused is a huge step forward. I'll also ask Parthi to apologise for any of his offenses. Let's not try to measure who was more offensive. In fact, there need not even be apologies from either side, but just an open mind to listen and favourably consider the other party's views. From whatever I glean from the discussions, the point of dispute is just the extent of influence that ATM had on CM so as to mention it in a summary article. You can open a new section, state whatever you agree with Aadal and not mention disagreements - they're already obvious now. Once that's made, a draft can be prepared with both sides conceding some from their positions. Ideally, this is the job of an eventual mediator, but let me stand in till that time. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 06:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

==Chembai==

Your article is good but it doesn't gives information about Chembai's birthplac ( which is at ]) and it doesnt gives an account about his his famous bhajan in order to recover from his dumbness etc. if you can add those it will be great.
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::But most of them had everything to do with your spamming. The rest is a genuine attempt at cleaning up un sourced statements. They are not, according to ], attempts at disrupting editing. In fact they enhanced the value of your edits. - ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 04:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Re: - exacly my point. You have never accepted that you tried to spam WP with links to your various sites. My attempts are removing them annoyed you, causing your reaction in the ] article. - ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 05:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Can you tell me which of my edits were non productive, caused you distress and distrupted your productive editing, according to the relevant WP policy? - ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 05:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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::::::Something useful? He's produce a featured article and is on his way to one more. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 07:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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:::::::I would like to see those "productive " works , but I still dont understand why an admin like you takes the pain to defend such a pov pusher.-] 08:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I'm not acting in my sysop capacity here, just answering that from what I know of him. Your comment to "do something useful" appeared to me as misdirected given ] and that's why I said that. I'll continue to defend him or anyone else where I think is appropriate. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 09:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I read somewhere that Kris apologised citing ignorance of Misplaced Pages rules regarding spamming. If so, it's best to leave that matter in good faith. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 08:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


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Sundar, I repeat it was not spamming, regardless of what you may think. WP has a guideline not to include links to forum threads. That is the issue here. Otherwise the links I gave are very relevant to the articles in which I provided external links. Stop calling it as spamming when you are not aware of the case. Venu62 is acting malicious and everyone of us knows it here. See his talk page for all the evidence I have shown him for his own actions.--<span class="sigSrkris"> <big>&#2384;</big> ] (] | ])</span> 11:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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:Kris, I don't know how you took it. But, my previous comment was definitely meant to defend you. I read in some discussion where Parthi accused you of spamming with links to your websites and in your reply you had stated that Parthi is harping on the same issue despite you apologising to your mistake citing ignorance of WP's rules at that time. That's why I said to Parthi above to let that matter go. I based my comment entirely based on your statement there.
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:But now, going back to the links cited by Parthi, I find that it is indeed spamming. Adding links to a discussion forum to multiple sites anonymously and the fact that those are about the only edits from that IP make it not spamming? But, let me reiterate my earlier statement above that such an error committed before you gained knowledge about WP policies is not an issue at all. In fact, during my first visit to Misplaced Pages I had added a link to one of our papers with names of the authors to a summary article unknowing of the policies. I had apologised then and shamelessly admit to the error till now even though that was done in my first edit before I registered as an user.
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Please recall that is the message that prompted you to post a message in my talk page first. Have I '''accused''' you of spamming anywhere in this? Breaking into parts: "By the way, I read somewhere that Kris apologised citing ignorance of Misplaced Pages rules regarding spamming. If so, it's best to leave that matter in good faith." = "Kris apologised citing ignorance of wikipedia rules" + "(the rules were) regarding spamming" + "(since it's such a minor issue that happenned during his novice days) + "If so, it's best to leave that matter in good faith." Note that I haven't told you apologised for spamming, but just that you apologised for ignorance of rules related to spamming. That was a request to Parthi not to harp on a dead issue which you've gone out of the way now to resurrect. <s>If you feel that you've been wrongfully called a spammer, take my apologies. I don't like to nitpick over a minor issue like this.</s> -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 16:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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::Now User:Sundar , why cant you say it openly that you are accusing User kris of spamming just like your friend.?If you are here to defend your friend , do that more openly .Since you claim that you are an impartial wiki admin here, pls try to pursue your admin dharma .-] 04:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::Kris, it takes a giant leap of faith (and probability too) to have all anonymous link addition edits to happen under a particular IP and content edits to happen under a different IP so neatly. Yes, I would've assumed that ] in you had you not taken exception to a that was meant to be in your favour! Thanks for all your faith in me. Bharatveer, whenever I say something here, it's as open as it can get. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 07:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:::This proves that you are in total agreement(or is it collusion?) with that pov pusher.Your role as a mediator or whatever will become more meaningfull now.-] 07:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::::When did I say that I was in total agreement? I'll defend only those points that I consider defensible. I'm not yearning to be a mediator in this dispute. In fact, I expressed my reluctance right away and I thought only till the mediation cabal responds will I take that role. I've no intention to mediate further in this. Find a more neutral mediator.
::::Let me tell you that your use of words like "collusion", "pov pusher" etc., are personal attacks, but I'm disregarding them for now with due respect. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 08:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Kris, to clarify, I was surprised at the fact that the particular IP had all edits as link additions with no content edits. Note that Parthi is not my "friend" as you say; I don't know him outside Misplaced Pages, I know him only as a fine editor who corrected several edits (that were unsupported but in favour of "Tamil primordialism"). This is precisely why I defended him elsewhere, an user accused of chauvinism while he was a moderating influence. I don't say that he might not have erred at all, but wherever I defended him, I stand by that.
:::Why I'm repeatedly replying to your comments is because you took a statement that was meant to defend you as that of an "accusation". I couldn't reconcile with that. Now, I don't think I can convince you with the fact that while I've defended him on many occasions that particular remark was originally meant to be in your favour. I don't know if your own defensiveness led you to believe I had accused you. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 11:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::::When did I ever compare his neutrality against yours? All I said was having known him as a neutral person, I defended him when he was accused of bias. I've clarified above that on link additions by the same IP was the primary reason for my suspicion. Anyway, I'm not unwilling to listen to you because I've closed that option but because I'm tired of so many things. Feel free to present the facts if that would help bring peace to you. I'll have a look at it when I'm free. Also, '''even if''' that was spamming, I wouldn't label you a "spammer" because of your further contributions. Note the emphasised "even if", just in case you want to react in my talk page. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 12:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


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