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|title = Misplaced Pages in Arabic: A hotbed for bigotry, misinformation, and bias - investigative report |
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|quote = Thus reads the first paragraph of Arabic Misplaced Pages's entry of one of the most famous and vile blood libels of history, purposely leaving room for the thought that the forged work is, in fact, "leaked" and "real." For comparison, the first paragraph of the parallel English entry stresses that the Protocols are "a fabricated text"; the German version focuses on its antisemitic nature and the fact that it's based on fictional characters; the French entry calls it "a text invented from scratch" and a forgery; and the Persian entry deems it "a fake and anti-Semitic document." |
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Michael Hagemeister, https://en.wikipedia.org/Michael_Hagemeister |
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Hanna Arendt, Origins of Totaliarism, https://en.wikipedia.org/The_Origins_of_Totalitarianism |
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== Incorrect Claim Per the Citation == |
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This article incorrectly states that Henry Ford printed 500,000 copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The cited source actually states that he published his own compilation of newspaper articles entitled "The International Jew". |
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Specifically, the articles states under the "United States" sub-heading: "In the U.S., Henry Ford sponsored the printing of 500,000 copies (in reference to The Protocols), and, from 1920 to 1922, published a series of antisemitic articles titled 'The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem', in The Dearborn Independent, a newspaper he owned." |
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For citation, you reference "Could Henry Ford Have Dreamed a Jew Would Run His Car Company?" at https://forward.com/news/198741/could-henry-ford-have-dreamed-a-jew-would-run-his/. According to this page, "Ford also distributed some 500,000 copies of “The International Jew” across America and, with more lethal effect, published it in Europe, as well." Therefore, it should not be stated that Ford printed any copies of The Protocols. |
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Regards, |
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] (]) 20:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:The Protocols were '''''part''''' of the series of articles which were published in book form as "The International Jew". See : <blockquote>The Protocols were publicized in America by Boris Brasol, a former Czarist prosecutor. Auto magnate Henry Ford was one of those who responded to Brasol’s conspiratorial fantasies. "The Dearborn Independent," owned by Ford, published an American version of the Protocols between May and September of 1920 in a series called ‘The International Jew: the World’s Foremost Problem." The articles were later republished in book form with half a million copies in circulation in the United States, and were translated into several foreign languages.</blockquote> ] (]) 03:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:: That's a very poor source compared to what is available. What does "an American version of the Protocols" actually mean, anyway? You can find sources claiming that the Dearborn Independent serialised the Protocols, but it is not true. Nor does The International Jew contain the Protocols as a whole. If you have a strong stomach you can check for yourself at the Internet Archive. What you will find is original articles that include commentary on the Protocols with quotations from them. Only a fraction of the total is included. Here are more precise descriptions: |
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::: "Beginning in 1920 and continuing for nearly two years, the Independent ran a series of ninety-one articles largely based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an authorless document purporting to lay out the Jewish plan for world domination." (article on DI in Antisemitism — A Historical Encyclopedia of Prejudice and Persecution, ed. ], p163). |
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::: "Commencing on May 22, 1920, in Henry Ford’s Dearborn Independent, the widely-publicized articles fully exploited the Protocols, dwelling week after week on the clear and present danger posed to American institutions by international Jewry. Rather than merely reprinting the Protocols, William Cameron, the paper’s editor and the person generally believed to be the author of the anti-Jewish articles, elucidated upon them as 'the most comprehensive program for world subjugation that has ever come to public knowledge.'" (Robert Singerman, The American Career of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, American Jewish History; Sep 1, 1981; pp48–) |
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::: "Rather than printing all The Protocols in a single 'text,' these writers used shorter articles that mixed parts of the infamous forgery with local, national, and international news items." (M. Hasian, Understanding the power of conspiratorial rhetoric: A case study of the protocols of the elders of Zion, Communication Studies, 48:3, 195-214.) |
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:: ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:50, 7 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:: Neither an anonymous article on the ADL web site, nor an article in The Forward that doesn't mention the Protocols at all, is a suitable source for this page. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:13, 7 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::: If you don't think that the ADL is a reliable source, I suggest you open a discussion on RSN, where it has always been accepted as one. ] (]) 15:15, 7 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::: Why should I waste my time debating one source when we have others whose reliability is beyond question? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 15:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== Merge from ] == |
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This person is of no interest other than his association with the Protocols; let's clean up another of one Ludvikus' messes. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 15:48, 9 October 2019 (UTC) |
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: Seems reasonable. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== Requests for clarification == |
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1) '''Political conspiracy background''', 2nd para : ‘Brafman claimed…that the qahal continued to exist in secret…’ |
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I cannot find any reference to ‘the qahal’ being abolished. It is also not clear whether there was one qahal or whether the various local qahals were independent of each other. |
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2) '''Political conspiracy background''', 3rd para |
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‘In 1928, Siegfried Passarge, a geographer active in the Third Reich, translated it into German.’ |
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The Third Reich did not exist in 1928. What exactly is meant? |
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3) '''Political conspiracy background''', 4th para |
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‘Millingen was a British subject…. served as an officer in the Ottoman Army, where he was born.’ |
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Where was Millingen born? |
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] (]) 22:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== Incorrect change == |
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== Misleading inf in infobox re plagiarisation == |
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{{To|Ogress}} You created "Cesare G. De Michelis argues that it was manufactured in the months after the First Zionist Congress in September 1902" by modifying existing text. The First Zionist Congress was in 1897, not 1902, moreover De Michelis does not argue that. Per the citation at the end of the sentence, De Michelis is referring to a different "Pan-Russian Zionist Congress" held in that month. Though it is true that some other authors propose the document was written soon after the First Zionist Congress, that belongs to the theory that it was written in France, a theory now largely discredited. De Michelis and others who specialise on it believe it is a Russian production that contains internal evidence it was written no earlier than 1901. Falk's book claims that it was a production of the Russian Orthodox Church and published first in 1905, the first of which is a fringe claim and the second is objectively wrong. Falk also bizarrely claims that the work he says was published in 1905 was one of the causes of the ] that happened in 1903! We should discard that book as a source. Bronner's book also has glaring errors, see ] for examples. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC) |
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I came to this article knowing nothing about the ''Protocols'' except it was an antisemitic hoax. I was astonished, and somewhat shocked, to find that the document had originally been written by Alexander Dumas, who I knew mostly from ''The Three Musketeers''. I had had no idea he was antisemitic. Of course, when I read the article, I found that the infobox was completely misleading: what had been plagiarised was a scene about ‘the affair of the diamond necklace’. I do not think it likely that I am the only person who was misled in this way. I ''do'' think it likely that many people never read beyond the infobox and the introduction. So, many people will leave this article thinking that the author of ''The Three Musketeers'' wrote ''The Protocols of the Elders of Zion''. |
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:{{to|Zero0000}} Ok! Make sure you edit the ] page; that is where I got the cites from! They're even in the intro there. ] 13:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Is the Dewey decimal actually 109? == |
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The purpose of Misplaced Pages is to inform its readers, not to mislead them. |
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] (]) 09:32, 27 November 2019 (UTC) |
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It seems like a troll edit based off the expelled from 109 countries inside joke thing. If it isn’t a coincidence, could we get a footnote? |
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: I agree with you and support your change. Actually the main source, Joly, doesn't mention Jews at all. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC) |
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Edit: also could be a pun on “Jewy” “Jewry” “Jew-y” |
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] (]) 17:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC) |