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== Narrator Credits == |
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Here is an exchange from my ], as a result of which I made a small revision to the article: (] 17:58, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)) |
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Hello Lee M, your article on ] got me thinking. (This is my first attempt at adding information to wikipedia). One of the differences between the BBC version and the book you list is "Aragorn receives a black standard from Arwen as a sign that he should rouse the army of the dead. In the book the standard is that of the White Tree of Gondor." |
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The Cast and Credits section currently reads Narrator (UK version): Gerard Murphy and Narrator (American version): Tammy Grimes, but I don't believe this is entirely accurate. Gerard Murphy is credited in the in-show credits as the narrator, meaning he does the descriptive background voice linking the scenes (in all broadcast and retail versions, UK and US). Tammy Grimes meanwhile was apparently hired to speak an intro for each of the 26 episodes in the original US broadcast, a sort of "previously on", which does not affect the original narration at all and has never been included in any later editions (beginning with the conversion to 13 episodes the following year) or commercial releases that I'm aware of. |
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I suppose this is in reference to the line "And with that he bade Halbarad unfurl the great standard which he had brought; and behold! it was black, and if there was any device upon it, it was hidden in the darkness." This appears both in the book and the radio series so I don't see there is any disagreement. Any thoughts? Am I posting this info to the correct page? |
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Thoughts? I was confused by this entry in Misplaced Pages, thinking they re-recorded the show's narration for the US (and wondering why I didn't remember it that way) until I listened to an original 26-episode US recording. But I'm not sure how best this could be reflected. Maybe list Gerard Murphy as Narrator without any version, and Tammy Grimes as Episode Recaps (26 episode American version)? ] (]) 03:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:If you can find and cite a reliable source to that effect, then make the change and cite it. ] (]) 04:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Regards, Tim --] 13:06, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC) |
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::What would constitute a reliable source in this case? I haven't seen it noted clearly this way anywhere online, but I have various recordings right here (including a Tammy Grimes/US radio rebroadcast recorded off the air in 1982) and Gerard Murphy's narration is audible across all versions available that I've ever heard. ] (]) 19:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hmm...I must admit I'd forgotten that particular reference...but then in ROTK Book 1 chapter 6 there's another reference to the banner: "There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but the seven stars were about it....And the stars flamed in the sunlight, for they were wrought of gems by Arwen, daughter of Elrond..." |
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:Obviously it's ''that'' passage that I was thinking of, and there's no reference to the White Tree at all in the BBC version. Assuming it's the same standard, and there's no reason not to, then presumably it was either wreathed in shadow in the earlier scene, or more likely enchanted so that it would only show its true colours when needed. Either way, I admit that the radio series article needs revising. If you don't mind, I'll include this correspondence on the article's Talk page for clarification. |
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:Anyway, thanks for bringing it up... ] 02:04, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC) |
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::Actually there is a really obscure mention of the banner bearing the white tree in the BBC version when Frodo looks in the mirror of Galadriel. This is in both the book and radio versions. --] 14:19, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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I am confused by your phrase "Aragorn receives a black standard from Arwen as a sign that he should rouse the army of the dead." I haven't listened to the radio version, but do you mean that Arwen herself gives him the standard, or that Arwen makes the standard and gives it to Halbarad who gives it to Aragorn (as in the book)? |
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Secondly, I am confused by the "as a sign that he should rouse the army of the dead" bit. Again, I am going by the book and not the radio version, but in the book the banner is delivered by Halbarad with the message "The days now are short. Either our hope cometh, or all hopes end. Therefore I send thee what I have made for thee. Fare well, Elfstone!", and the signs that Aragorn should raise the dead are rather the words that Elrohir brings from Elrond: "I bring word to you from my father: The days are short. If thou art in haste, remember the Paths of the Dead.", and also the Words of Malbeth the Seer. If the radio version does imply that the banner came with a message to rouse the dead, then it is conflating the messages from Arwen and Elrond (delivered by Halbarad and Elrohir respectively). --] 16:20, 22 January 2005 (UTC) |
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:I must admit I haven't heard the series for a few years (I'd deliberately avoided listening to it again to avoid mental confusion with the movies) but as I recall it follows the book, in which case my phrasing may need some revision. I'll have to fish out the CD and confirm it. ] 02:11, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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The Saruman/Black Riders/Wormtongue scenes in episode 1 use dialogue from ''The Hunt For The Ring'' in ''Unfinished Tales''. Was wondering if this was worth adding - not so much a discrepancy as an additional source? |
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Also the 2002 broadcast differed from the 1987 and 1981 ones in having an extra musical passage after the Fellowship's departure from Balin's tomb. Is this the same thing as the different musical cues mentioned re the 2002 CD release? ] |
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==William Nighy/Bill Nighy== |
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I have just reverted the edit back to William Nighy (with the link still to Bill Nighy). For those who aren't aware, he is credited at the end (when John Marsh reads the credits) as William Nighy. I also have the Audio box set, and he is also listed as Bill Nighy. I believe that this article should list him as William Nighy, or at the very least include the phrase "credited as William Nighy" (in a similar fashion as they do on IMDB.] 22:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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The Cast and Credits section currently reads Narrator (UK version): Gerard Murphy and Narrator (American version): Tammy Grimes, but I don't believe this is entirely accurate. Gerard Murphy is credited in the in-show credits as the narrator, meaning he does the descriptive background voice linking the scenes (in all broadcast and retail versions, UK and US). Tammy Grimes meanwhile was apparently hired to speak an intro for each of the 26 episodes in the original US broadcast, a sort of "previously on", which does not affect the original narration at all and has never been included in any later editions (beginning with the conversion to 13 episodes the following year) or commercial releases that I'm aware of.
Thoughts? I was confused by this entry in Misplaced Pages, thinking they re-recorded the show's narration for the US (and wondering why I didn't remember it that way) until I listened to an original 26-episode US recording. But I'm not sure how best this could be reflected. Maybe list Gerard Murphy as Narrator without any version, and Tammy Grimes as Episode Recaps (26 episode American version)? 2601:646:877F:AEC0:FBBD:777A:3A13:2E23 (talk) 03:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
