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== Closing, now update of the Perennial sources page for SBM ==

Hello Seraphimblade and thank you for what I believe to be a perfectly balanced and well worded closing of the discussion on SBM ]. This now leaves the question, as I have not been involved directly in an RfC like this that then was closed in a manner that changes ]. Who should update that now to reflect the current ] (additional considerations) consensus that you articulated so well? Since you are both uninvolved and the admin/closer, I am assuming you are the best candidate to do that, but I just wanted to check since I am not familiar with the process in full. Have a good day (or night). ] (]) 17:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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== RFC SBM - clarification ==

Hi, I was wondering if you could clarify the closing summary at ].
Specifically, it seems that the summary leaves a lot of ambiguity about which articles are considered SPS and which are not. My sense of the !votes was that specifically articles by the editors (Gorski and Novella) were unreviewed and therefore SPS. But the summary only states that "at least some articles on this site can be considered self-published", which seems to open up every SBM article up for debate.

You can see an early example of this at ]. SBM is used twice in this article, both articles by Gorski that would seem to fall in the SPS category. One of those citations is used without attribution to support negative content in the lead ("The lab leak theory and its weaponization by politicians have both leveraged and increased anti-Chinese sentiment.").

As you can see, editors at that talk section have argued, citing the closing summary, that these Gorski articles do not need to be treated as SPS, and that the RFC requires no action. If this was not your intent, would you consider rephrasing the closing summary to resolve the ambiguity? - ] (]) 06:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{u|Palpable}}, I really do think it will probably need to be taken case by case in a lot of instances, and I wouldn't want to act as arbiter for particular instances. As your issue is a BLP concern, you could always ask for input at ]. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 08:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::Heh. Thanks for the pointer. - ] (]) 16:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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Enforcement on PerspicazHistorian

Hi @Seraphimblade, I respect your comment on Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#PerspicazHistorian. Can we please discuss the issue here.

1) I am a good faith editor whose start on Misplaced Pages might have been not that good but I am getting better and now editing the space in good faith.

2) The enforcement started as a retaliation as mentioned by me in the discussion here.

3) I have edited on Misplaced Pages and in the past month, we can not find a single instance where I indulged in vandalism or POV pushes as mentioned in the enforcement.

I request you to kindly give me a chance to work further on the platform.

Note: I am currently undergoing my semester exams in university till 15th jan, might not respond swiftly. I respect your fair-mindedness and have a good faith that you will take side of Justice.

Thank You ! PPicazHist (talk) 07:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

To ensure fairness and that everyone is looking at the same thing, I do not discuss open AE requests outside of AE. Please make any comments at the request, not here. Seraphimblade 12:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello @Seraphimblade, I respect your decision and will try to get better and contribute through drafts and talk pages.
Would you please close this move discussion too.
Thanks. PPicazHist (talk) 07:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
It will be closed in due course, probably not by me though. Seraphimblade 09:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

These edits aren't in article space, so are they ok?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/PerspicazHistorian] and see . Doug Weller talk 10:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Doug Weller, I don't concern myself overmuch with what people put on their userpage, unless it's extremely inflammatory, personal attacks against other editors, etc. I don't, though, like the "pick-a-closer" behavior, and I'll warn for that. Seraphimblade 02:02, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
I was referring to the "I will learn and work as a Runner (messenger) from one talk page to other." on their talk page and their use of article talk pages to influence articles. But if that's ok, fine. Doug Weller talk 08:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
I think the hope was that they would use talk pages more rather than disruptively edit articles, so I've got no problem with that. Of course if that becomes disruptive as well, that can always be dealt with going forward. Seraphimblade 08:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Proper use of template

Would you care to take a look at the discussion unfolding on Talk:Westboro Baptist Church#LGBTQ template in this article? Your input is needed.Davidbena (talk) 23:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Davidbena, not sure why you'd ask me in particular. If you've come to an impasse in discussion, you might consider something like the third opinion or request for comment processes. Seraphimblade 02:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
I was thinking of you since you are obviously an uninvolved person and an administrator whom I've seen around on Misplaced Pages, and, yes, I was looking for a person who would know somewhat about the proper use of templates, and, after all, you too are a third person. Feel free to recuse yourself, if you feel that it is beyond your scope. I was unaware of the format of asking for a Third opinion. Now that you've provided me with that, I'll make use of it (WP:3O). Thanks.Davidbena (talk) 04:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade: I'm having difficulties working with WP:3O on Talk:Westboro Baptist Church#Third party, so, can you please help me with the proper formatting, or instruct me on how to use the platform? I have never used it before.Davidbena (talk) 13:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

You'll want to look for the "Active disagreements" heading. Under that, when you go to edit, you'll see a couple of comments in the source text telling you where to put the dispute. Link to the proper section in the article talk page where the dispute is happening, and sign with five tildes so that just the timestamp but not the name appears. Make sure your request neutrally summarizes the dispute (so, "Dispute over inclusion of X", not "X (should|should not) be included.") Seraphimblade 13:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
 Done Davidbena (talk) 13:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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If I have problems on the Spanish Misplaced Pages with an administrator who blocks Misplaced Pages and IRC without reason, what can I do? Who can I contact or how can I report him? GokuJuan (talk) 05:21, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Closing, now update of the Perennial sources page for SBM

Hello Seraphimblade and thank you for what I believe to be a perfectly balanced and well worded closing of the discussion on SBM here. This now leaves the question, as I have not been involved directly in an RfC like this that then was closed in a manner that changes the current summary of a source over at the perennial source page. Who should update that now to reflect the current WP:MREL (additional considerations) consensus that you articulated so well? Since you are both uninvolved and the admin/closer, I am assuming you are the best candidate to do that, but I just wanted to check since I am not familiar with the process in full. Have a good day (or night). Iljhgtn (talk) 17:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Anyone could update that. I'm not particularly familiar with it either, so I won't be the one to do it, but you could raise it at the talk page if you like. Seraphimblade 02:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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RFC SBM - clarification

Hi, I was wondering if you could clarify the closing summary at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RFC Science-Based Medicine. Specifically, it seems that the summary leaves a lot of ambiguity about which articles are considered SPS and which are not. My sense of the !votes was that specifically articles by the editors (Gorski and Novella) were unreviewed and therefore SPS. But the summary only states that "at least some articles on this site can be considered self-published", which seems to open up every SBM article up for debate.

You can see an early example of this at Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory#Science-Based Medicine - cleanup needed. SBM is used twice in this article, both articles by Gorski that would seem to fall in the SPS category. One of those citations is used without attribution to support negative content in the lead ("The lab leak theory and its weaponization by politicians have both leveraged and increased anti-Chinese sentiment.").

As you can see, editors at that talk section have argued, citing the closing summary, that these Gorski articles do not need to be treated as SPS, and that the RFC requires no action. If this was not your intent, would you consider rephrasing the closing summary to resolve the ambiguity? - Palpable (talk) 06:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Palpable, I really do think it will probably need to be taken case by case in a lot of instances, and I wouldn't want to act as arbiter for particular instances. As your issue is a BLP concern, you could always ask for input at the BLP noticeboard. Seraphimblade 08:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Heh. Thanks for the pointer. - Palpable (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the close at RSN

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