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The result of the proposal was '''moved'''. --] (]) 19:29, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2024 == |
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] → {{no redirect|Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed}} – The subject's real name and the page's original title. This is also the ] (c.f. , ). ] (]) 15:45, 17 August 2013 (UTC) |
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== External links modified (February 2018) == |
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Farmajoo dead ] (]) 12:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 12:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC) |
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I have just modified 9 external links on ]. Please take a moment to review ]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit ] for additional information. I made the following changes: |
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*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/somalia-president-appoints-new-prime-minister |
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*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/UN_Special_Envoy_to_Somalia_meets_TFG_leaders_in_Mogadishu_over_PM_rift.shtml |
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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140105060056/http://www.somaliweyn.org/pages/news/Jan_11/15Jan18.html to http://www.somaliweyn.org/pages/news/Jan_11/15Jan18.html |
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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110515182825/http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90029659?Somali_PM%3A_Anyone_in_gov&%23146%3Bt_who_commits_corruption_will_be_brought_to_justice to http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90029659?Somali_PM%3A_Anyone_in_gov%26%23146%3Bt_who_commits_corruption_will_be_brought_to_justice |
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Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 12:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC) |
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== Date discrepancies == |
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Is his birthday on the 12 or 11 of March? Because in the Somali language Misplaced Pages it has 5 of March. Farmajo also has two birth years which one is his correct birthday ? Please fix it for me. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign --> |
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: We don't use the help template for normal content discussions. You didn't note the discrepancy on the date he assumed office, for which the source is unclear. Better sources need to be provided or these details will have to be removed from the article. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> |
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:: I see that you made changes to the article but neither the before nor after version of the article contain suitable references that support the dates you have given. We have a good source for the date of election, no good source for the specific date of inauguration (just saying "Wednesday" leaves enough ambiguity to fail), and, when I looked, the sources given do not support even the birth year, much less a date of birth. The article on Somali Misplaced Pages is unsourced, so gives no hints as to where to look for better sources. ''']<sup><small>] ]</small></sup>''' 06:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC) |
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==Sourcing ] as uncle== |
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There is currently a disagreement on whether the statement ] was Farmaajo's uncle."] in the opening paragraph. There are a few issues with this: (1) "Dictator" seems to be pushing POV a bit; yes, there are good sources that describe Barre's governance as "increasingly dictatorial," but it seems more neutral to simply describe him as "President"; the article about him has more details. (2) There are only a few Somali sources that describe uncle/nephew relationship. Most sources that mention both men do not describe any familial connection (e.g. , , ). None of the sources that do use the word "uncle" describe exactly how they are related (via his father or mother?); every source that uses the term "uncle" uses it in the context of criticism. It seems possible that "uncle" is being used here in a more loose sense (i.e., ]? (3) we have a mixed precedent for mentioning notable relations in the first paragraph, e.g. ] (yes), ] (no), ] (no). Google search note: complicating efforts to track down sources are the spelling variations here: Farmajo/Farmaajo, Said/Syed, Bare/Baare/Barre. <b>] ]</b> 15:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:: I already acknowledged that Siad Barre used the term "dictatorial" to describe his role; I don't think it's necessary to mention that in the sentence describing the relationship. Can you point me to the source that describes them as "relatives"? All of the sources that mention the word "uncle" are Somali-based critical articles about him; I have yet to see any international sources that mention such a relationship. <b>] ]</b> 17:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC) |
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: is questionable in terms of being a ]; while purporting to be neutral, it doesn't appear to be connected to any sort of news agency, and is rather a self-published opinion website out of Canada (all of the articles are either attributed to "Admin" or a "MOHAMED ADAN"). I also find it odd that from ] nor from ] (both sources that more easily meets ] guidelines) cover Farmaajo's admissions of the excesses of the Barre regime without mentioning any familial connection. There's certainly a lot of opposition and challenges to Farmaajo, which leads me to believe that the limited sources describing the "uncle" relationship are attempts to discredit him by linking him to Barre. If Barre was indeed his uncle, why does it seem like only opposition articles are mentioning it? <b>] ]</b> 20:44, 27 December 2020 (UTC) |
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: I didn't add the neutrality tag regarding the last few edits; I added it regarding additions to the article in the last month. I'm concerned that it's heavily weighted on criticism of the subject; it reads like a running tally of every criticism ever leveled against him. Obviously any elected official is going to have criticism leveled at them, but I'd like others to weigh in on the overall balance of this article, especially editors with more knowledge of ] politics. <b>] ]</b> 23:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== Neutrality == |
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There is a tag on this article about disputed neutrality. If any editor has doubts about the neutrality of any section of the article please discuss here. ] (]) 00:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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: Yes, largely because you've removed anything positive about the subject and added nothing by criticism, creating a decidedly unbalanced article. Looking at the edit history, most of the article's current content under ] has been , and is entirely negative. At the same time, you've removed (first large tracts of text with canned edit summaries that included positive information. Examples of improper removal of positive content: |
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:* with the edit summary "Immediate removal of unsourced contentious material about a living person according to Misplaced Pages guidelines." That's a complete misapplication of BLP policy; that section was reasonably sourced, and had absolutely no BLP violations. |
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:* ; you've removed a sourced quote from an Italian politician supporting Mohamed's position on the Kampala agreement. Please explain to me how that violates ]. |
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:The entirety of the material you improperly gutted from the article can be seen . <b>] ]</b> 15:14, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:: I restored most of this content to the article. The ] section is still heavily weighted towards negative material, so I think the disputed neutrality tag should stay on until someone can revise it to present a more balanced view. ] (]) 19:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::: Agreed; that section still feels rather lopsided in terms of criticism. <b>] ]</b> 19:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC) |
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The material I removed did not have citations, it was contentious because there are elections coming up and it is unfair on opposition candidates and undemocratic for politicians to have uncited material in their favour which puts them at an unfair advantage. If you re-instate any of the material which I removed please do at least make sure it is properly cited. ] (]) 13:13, 1 January 2021 (UTC) |
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 12:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)