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Thanks for the comments on my talk page about some Lena images. Is your belief that the image is only appropriate on the Lenna page and not on other pages? I agree it is not necessary on lossy data compression, but its use as a de-facto standard for image processing techniques does make it nice to use on those kinds of pages. - grubber17:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
That merger is totally inappropriate - and it looks like comments from contributors on Talk:Standard test image back that up 100% - a similar result is happening on the Template deletion request you put in for the standard test image template. Oden - I'm curious as to why you seem to have taken to diving in to all of these image processing articles. It's pretty clear from your comments and actions that you don't understand the nature of test images or of the image processing world. I've been working in computer graphics for 35+ years and these images are very familiar to me. I'd be very happy to answer any questions you have about them - but it would be much more productive for everyone if you talked first and reverted/fired off TfD's/etc only after we've had a chance to carefully explain the things you so clearly don't understand. These test images are reproduced in literally thousands of articles and books on the subject of image processing - and they are rarely if ever credited. In many cases (such as the Lenna image), we know that the photo has always been a copyright violation. It's pretty clear that copyright belongs to some original photographer - who in most cases is lost to the sands of time. Nobody knows where they came from. But their status as 'fair use' images is clear - that's why so many books and professional journals publish them. The discussion is always about the images - because their value as art or as test images is not being abused, we aren't subtracting commercial value - and because only that PRECISE image will do the job, there is 100% certainty that no free alternative (or alternative of any kind) could ever be possible. Heck, even another scan of the original photo at HIGHER resolution would be utterly useless. Test images are a truly special case - quite utterly different from any other use of images in Misplaced Pages. SteveBaker05:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages's fair use criteria does not make any exceptions for this case. Images are divided into two categories: free images and fair use images. It's that simple. --Oden05:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
What? This is (of course) a fair use image. No debate about that - the debate is whether there is a reasonable way to make a substitute (there isn't) whether we are causing an economic impact to the copyright owners (there isn't) and whether these images are being discussed in the articles they are referred to (the Lenna image most certainly is). These are all sufficient grounds for using them under fair use. End of story - please stop annoying the heck out of people who are trying to write some decent articles here. SteveBaker12:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The previous comment (revision 100859879) was removed by Oden at 12:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC) with the explanation "Personal attack". I do not agree that it was a personal attack. It was a request for a user, Oden, to stop doing something. I am annoyed by:
Oden's aggressive campaign to rid Misplaced Pages of images that are (in the opinion of all voters but him on the IfD) legitimate fair use.
