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*'''Support''': Go to the source: the FIFA website (https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup) is inconsistent - header is FIFA World Cup™, but immediately below it says "Taking place quadrennially, the FIFA Men's World Cup™". ] (]) 19:27, 16 August 2023 (UTC) *'''Support''': Go to the source: the FIFA website (https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup) is inconsistent - header is FIFA World Cup™, but immediately below it says "Taking place quadrennially, the FIFA Men's World Cup™". ] (]) 19:27, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

:'''Oppose (for now)''' - At this point in time, the competition is usually only referred to by FIFA as simply 'FIFA World Cup', and this differs to the women's world cup. Unless FIFA change this and start referring to the competition as 'men's world cup', the move should not go ahead at this point in time. ] (]) 21:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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Serbia should be changed to Yugoslavia. Serbia has never reached the top four. Yugoslavia consisted of many republics: Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzogovina. It is silly and completely wrong to use Serbia as a synonym of Yugoslavia. Optimismofthewill (talk) 18:22, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Agree with this - otherwise Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia and Kosovo should be also listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:1A61:6B01:A8AE:5CA0:8766:4A13 (talk) 16:03, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree that it's weird. If results have to be inherited by an existing country (which would make sense given that this is what happens for West Germany and URSS), I think that Croatia should be the heir of the titles. Croatia can claim that it went on to keep alive the football tradition of Yugoslavia, as it continued to win further titles. Serbia is the biggest of the ex-Yugoslavian countries, but size is the only claim they can make to those titles. So, I'd either count them separately, or add them to the team that went on to play football at a competitive international level.--Asdrubalissimo (talk) 01:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I know it seems weird, but since FIFA considers Serbia to be the only successor to Yugoslavia's World Cup record, I don't see a problem with it. You have to follow the sources, not just what "feels" right. – PeeJay 18:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Definitely should be Yugoslavia or Croatia. Serbia barely even qualify, they have never come top 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:625:9300:CD04:819E:6E5C:6D46 (talk) 11:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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I'm wondering why it's called FIFA World Cup? I was looking for stats on the men's world cup hosts and couldn't find the article for men's world cup, just the general FIFA World Cup. But it's confusing cos there is a separate Women's World Cup wiki entry. They're both good quality imo, just the naming of the titles is kinda confusing. What do others think? I'm not a feminist or anything lol I just don't get why it's not just called Men's world cup? If that's what people are interesting in finding info about, they would search that right? KJL2835 (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

That's something you'd have to ask FIFA. They refer to the tournaments as the FIFA World Cup and the FIFA Women's World Cup, so we do too. Hope that helps. – PeeJay 11:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
By the way, if you search for FIFA Men's World Cup, it takes you to the FIFA World Cup page anyway, so you shouldn't have had any trouble finding what you were searching for. Are you sure you're not trying to stir the pot? – PeeJay 11:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Links to match reports

Didn't know where else to post this but many of the links to FIFA match reports from past tournaments seem to redirect to Fifa's homepage. From what I can see Fifa has moved and updated the pages. Hundreds of links are now potentially useless. Firestar47 (talk) 18:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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FIFA World Cup → FIFA Men's World Cup – No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; the FIFA Women's World Cup is also widely referred to as the "World Cup". For example, the BBC, the Financial Times, 9 News, DW, RNZ, Fox Sports, news.com.au, etc. This can also be seen in Google Search trends; people are overwhelmingly using "World Cup" rather than "Women's World Cup". The proposed title would also be WP:CONSISTENT with FIFA Women's World Cup. If this move is successful, a dab page would be created here. BilledMammal (talk) 10:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Football, WikiProject Women, and WikiProject Women in Red have been notified of this discussion. BilledMammal (talk) 10:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm always one for equality, but even just looking at the official names for the tournament the men's tournament is "FIFA World Cup" while the women's official name is "FIFA Women's World Cup", so the Consistent argument doesn't hold as the pages are currently titled matching their official names. If it was FIFA World Cup (women), then the Consistency argument would hold, but it's not the official name. WP:RECENCY also holds here. During an active women's world cup, it's fairly reasonable to assume that discussions about a current tournament is the women's one, given its the active one. However, during a non-active time, it is more likely to be referred as a women's world cup, when not specifically obvious (ie. during a discussion on women's football, the WWC is usually assumed) RedPatch (talk) 10:46, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
    is "FIFA World Cup" while the women's official name is "FIFA Women's World Cup", so the Consistent argument doesn't hold as the pages are currently titled matching their official names WP:OFFICIALNAMES; we don't title our articles based on official names, so which one of them is the official name isn't relevant to assessing the primary topic and WP:CRITERIA. BilledMammal (talk) 10:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. Very few sources use "FIFA Men's World Cup". O.N.R.  12:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Guyrichtheman (talk) 03:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Oppose (for now) - At this point in time, the competition is usually only referred to by FIFA as simply 'FIFA World Cup', and this differs to the women's world cup. Unless FIFA change this and start referring to the competition as 'men's world cup', the move should not go ahead at this point in time. Lawrence 979 (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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