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List of Puerto Ricans

Taken from User_talk:XLR8TION, who reverts attempt at discussion on his own talk pages

Want to explain it? --Jbmurray 22:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sublists do not belong on this list. The listy only covers individuals. Please refer the link to another page. All sublists links in the past have been removed. There is nothing else to explain.--XLR8TION 22:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realized you owned that page. --Jbmurray 23:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Latin American subaltern studies

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Latin American subaltern studies

Thanks for your note about the article in question. You may note that the article has been deleted twice for failing to meet WP:CSD#A7, by me and User:Rettetast. While I'm no expert in the subject, it seems that a number of editors have concerns over the article. However, I'm more than willing to give the article a chance, particularly as it has a set of decent references. I'd like to apologise if you thought the article was overly-speedily deleted but perhaps you are not aware that many speedy deletes take place within seconds. On this (and the previous occasion your article was deleted) obviously you didn't have time to deal with the concerns of the editor adding the speedy tag. All that nothwithstanding, your article now exists once more as a result of your determination (which is good thing!), good luck with it, apologies for perhaps overreacting to the speedy tag. All the best... The Rambling Man 19:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

One final note, in line with what User:Rettetast has to say, a {{hangon}} has no time criteria, so unless you add hangon and then actually say why on the talk page, you'll find there's nothing stopping any administrator deleting your article. Anyway, that's just an aside for any time in the future where you may encounter the same problem - in this case your article is back so good luck with future edits! The Rambling Man 19:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I see what you're saying, though it was only by posing a question at Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Questions_on_Speedy_Delete_Process that I could even have half a clue as to what was going on. I'm surprised at both speedy deletes, frankly. The second because I'd have thought the purpose of the "hangon" tag was to signal precisely that someone was working on the article. The first because, though the article obviously needed expansion and some work on establishing notability, in context it clearly didn't qualify for speedy delete. (A Prod, perhaps.) Moreover, again a quick look at the creator (me) and my contributions might have prompted you (or the other editor) to drop me a line. And on the {{hangon}} tag, give me a second or two!! --Jbmurray 20:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry and I understand that you feel bitten and I agree that the article should not have bin deleted in the first place, but I just deleted an article that only contained the hangon template and had no prior history. I am sorry that I didn't check the deletion log. Rettetast 20:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC) And I am also sorry that i somehow managed to answer you on your user page instead of your talk page. I don't know how that happend. Rettetast 20:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

edit conflictI agree (with Jbmurray). Adminstrators are often given a hard time over massive backlogs, WP:CSD included, and when someone (e.g. I) see a page that has already been deleted under CSD notability terms then it's all too easy to delete the article speedily once more. I completely agree (as I said before) that I acted too swiftly for which I apologise. Good luck with your article and please don't take any of this personally (although that's always difficult in wikiworld!). All the best... The Rambling Man 20:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I just thought I'd raise my concerns. Thanks to you both for replying. --Jbmurray 20:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

May 2007

Please do not assume ownership of articles such as Joaquin Maria Machado, and many others. If you aren't willing to allow your contributions to be edited extensively or be redistributed by others, please do not submit them. Thank you. "-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 01:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

JohnManuel, I wasn't assuming ownership. With the Machado de Assis article, I started to clean it up, then saw that the title was mis-spelled, so applied a redirect. On the page with the correct title, you had made numerous edits, most of which had introduced grammatical and other language errors, and I reverted especially because that's a pretty good page. (NB I don't claim any responsibility for have written it.) But I did suggest you put the picture back up, obviously so long as it satisfies Misplaced Pages guidelines. I don't regard pointing out that your not a native speaker of English as a "personal attack." Clearly you have much to contribute, and I personally welcome your contributions. I'm just making a friendly suggestion that you be careful before you make changes to the language. If you wanted, you could run changes by me for linguistic advice. I'd be help out that way. Likewise, can I suggest you "stay cool" and avoid personal attacks, as well as being prepared for your contributions to be editing. --Jbmurray 02:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Joaquin Maria Machado de Assis , you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. "-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 03:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

JohnManuel, don't be silly. There was no vandalism, least of all to the page Joaquin Maria Machado de Assis. --Jbmurray 07:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Explanation

Hi Jbmurray. I'm sorry for not clearly giving the reason when closed these CfDs:
Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_14#Category:Spanish-language_writers and Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_14#Category:Spanish_language_novels

I couldn't take part in the discussion which I closed so I didn't give any reason in my part. About your query, I think the reason for keep those cats are clear (everyone gave the same reason): they are parts of the parent cats: Category:Writers by language and Category:Spanish-language media respectively and delete these will be pointless because there're a lot of other ones in the parent cats. I don't know why you only chose Spanish-language cats for your CfDs. I suggest you should bring the whole categorization schemes for discussion. Best wishes. AW 08:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Yes, I guess my problem is that it would have been good had someone addressed my points 1) that Category:Spanish language novels does not fit into Category:Media by language, or at least into the dominant definition of what's meant by "media." And 2) that for the purpose of Category:Writers by language, some languages are different from others. Hence I have no problem with the parent cats, as I made clear various times in the discussion.

I'm not going to contest the decision (I have better things to do with my time), but I would point out that in practice, with all the "per nom" or "per X" comments, CfD has become a vote, in which herd mentality (rather than an attempt to look at the issues) tends to prevail. It's another little Wikidisappointment. --Jbmurray 20:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Jbmurray, it's my pleasure to receive your reply today. In fact, when I closed your CfD discussions, I also thought your comments are reasonable at some points. Category:Spanish-language_writers or Category:English-language writers is just something of overcategorization and makes no sense to the readers. However, it's very difficult to reconsider the issue when consensus is reached. Moreover, this issue needs a wider discussion, and as I said above, it'll be somewhat pointless to delete only Spanish-language related cats. But don't be worried because consensus can change and WT:CAT will be a better place for you to propose your opinion.

About the second problem, it's sad but I have to agree with you. Not only CfD but other XfDs in general are in the same mainstreaming. People often vote following the majority, and their reasons often "per X" or "per above" or "per nom". It's really suck and disappointed. I frequently see user Carlossuarez46 in every CfD discussion and his vote rarely differs the stale formula "per...". Just ignore those voters! I hope that next time I will have the chance to backup your opinion (of course not "per Jbmurray" thingy). Have a good day! AW 04:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I think your answer provides further evidence that you'd have been better ruling "no consensus" on these two discussions. See WP:POLLS. But there we go. The same process continues, for instance at Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_20#Category:Flags_of_Nepal. Too often, a voting mentality prevails over the attempt to consider arguments and reach consensus. --Jbmurray 21:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 24 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Trade unions in Argentina, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 17:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: List of Latin American writers

Thanks for notifying me about the revert. I am fully aware that Belize's culture is related more to Caribbean countries such as Jamaica. I personally think Belize should be put under Central America as the page says that it is organized by region, not by culture. "Some of the most important writers from Latin America and the Caribbean, organized by region and nationality."  LaNicoya  •TALK• 09:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hiya. When I wrote that, I was thinking about cultural rather than geographical region. (After all, "region" is not necessarily a geographical term.) I could clarify that if you felt it easier. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 09:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Cultural region, alright, but maybe that should be clarified a bit on the page or at the least "region" should be wikilinked to prevent any further confusion, what do you think?  LaNicoya  •TALK• 10:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 10:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Luis Muñoz Rivera

Thanks for your assistance in improving this page which I created and in insisting that both don Luis' appear in the List of Notable Puerto Ricans. I just opened an account and am in the process of learning how to do things here.Pr4ever 11:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I'm still figuring stuff out myself, and have already realized that it's easy to run into frustration for one reason or another, not least when people act as though they own a page. On the other hand, there's something understandable about that when they've put a lot of effort into it. Still, it hardly seems to me to be the wikiway. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 11:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Flags of Nepal

See Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 May 31#Category:Flags_of_Nepal. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

RE: Latin America

Hi there; thanks for your note. Yes: 'here above all' is not phraseology I would expect to find in an encyclopedia entry. I mean, I'm not even sure what that means in this context. Perhaps something more clear and/or agreeable? Of course, my mistyping of 'encycloped(i)c' doesn't help matters. :) Corticopia 02:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Previous Prod

Jb - Although List of living philosophers and academics of philosophy was deleted, after your nomination, via the WP:PROD system, that deletion has now been contested. As a result, I have restored the article. In case you wish to pursue its deletion, you should nominate the article for WP:AfD. If you need any assistance with the process, I would be happy to help. --best, kevin 02:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Have contributed (again) to the relevant talk page. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 03:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Question

How you doing? I have a question because I find myself wondering. Exactly, what are "Latin Americanists". I never heard of the term before. Tony the Marine 23:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm doing fine, thanks. Latin Americanists are people who study Latin America. See Latin American studies. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 00:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for the response. You know how it is, you learn something new everyday. Tony the Marine 00:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

3RR to WP:ANI

Hi, I noticed you reported User: Corticopia for a 3RR violation on the Latin America article. I noticed it failed, but was wondering what you would feel about me starting a thread about the user on WP:ANI. The user in question has been blocked before for disruptive editing, he also appears to be uncivil. And he's about to break the 3RR rule again, this time on the United States page. BH (T|C) 05:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The 3RR report -- and subsequent sh*it-kicking -- was dismissed by admins. If any sort of thread is initiated, which is arguably disruptive behaviour, rest assured that I will respond in kind. Corticopia 12:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)