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Benzos

Hi, thanks for your work on the benzodiazepine articles. You seem to be using footnotes a lot, but please make sure to use the correct templates. {{cite journal}} is for all journal articles; there is no need to tabulate all the parameters. In fact, this makes the editing box very hard to navigate. See the template page for some other recommendations. JFW | T@lk 20:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome, I thought the nitrazepam article was not very well written and felt I would give a shot at enhancing it. Sorry first time editing and appears I didn't do quite as well as I expected. I did read about templates for references but see I didn't quite grasp how to do it properly. I believe I have managed to do it properly now. Thank you for pointing out my errors. Literaturegeek 21:59, 09 July 2007 (UTC)

MKULTRA

Re: Temazepam. At least some of your refs made it into the Temazepam article too. I propose to concentrate discussion common to all benzodiazepines in one place, for easier maintenance, instead of duplicating it over and over in all benzodiazepine articles. The Temazepam article is at least not what I want to read as a patient in e.g. a retirement home, when I look up the pills my doctor has given to me. I would think I have received a MKULTRA CIA brainwash drug, also used by KGB Russian prisons for torture, which will turn me into a vegetable and cause cancer, brainrot and testicular shrinkage. Also it will turn me into a CRIMINAL and JUNKIE in a "Jekyll and Hyde" manner. See discussion on Temazepam page. The discussion of dangers, obscure uses and misuses has to take up only an appropriate part of the article, if this is to be an encyclopedia of general importance. 70.137.178.160 (talk) 04:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Quit stalking and harassing me and go away crazy man!!! I have had days and days of your wingeing like a baby. I had nothing to do with CIA mkultra edits, brainwashing etc to the temazepam article. Dry your eyes, quit crying, get over it and get a life or else take it up with the editor who made those edits and harass him/her instead of me. I didn't make those edits!!! I need a break from you crazy old man, I really really do. I am sorry but I am just sick of it. So please leave me alone.--Literaturegeek (talk) 05:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I've left a note at Talk:Nitrazepam. Please try to tone down the stress level, and I believe both you and 70. would certainly benefit from walking away from benzo articles for a while. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 16:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate doing that for me, if only you knew lol. I don't think he will stop. I doubt he will last 3 hours rather than 3 days. He is crazy...--Literaturegeek (talk) 16:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Temazepam

Everything in the temazepam article is scientifically referenced. This anon user's edits will be reverted and he/she will be reported. I a pharmacology major, and drugs are what I study. User:thegoodson

Hi, Yeah I know it is all referenced. You did a good job on the article. I learnt quite a few things from it that I didn't previously know. I wasn't aware of it's use by the KGB and the CIA for example. Very interesting stuff. One point while I am chatting to you.

Do you have the full text of reference 37? This bit sounds like bad advice. Did they really say that in the fulltext or has that been just added in? I copied the text from the temazepam wiki article and put it in bold.

Gradual and careful reduction of the dosage, preferably with a milder long-acting benzodiazepine such as clonazepam or diazepam, or even a milder short to intermediate acting benzodiazepine such as oxazepam or alprazolam, was recommended to prevent severe withdrawal syndromes from developing. Other strong hypnotic benzodiazepines, whether short, intermediate or long-acting are not recommended.

Alprazolam and clonazepam are highly potent benzodiazepines. Alprazolam is renowned for causing withdrawal seizures. Usually it is chlordiazepoxide or diazepam only that is recommended for benzodiazepine withdrawal because they are long acting and available in small "low potency" dose sizes. Oxazepam is milder than most benzos but is very short acting. See this link. and and this link . I think that the references used concerning withdrawing from temazepam could be improved or replaced with better ones. The reasons for using either chlordiazepoxide or diazepam can be backed up with common sense basic knowledge of pharmacology. The smallest dose of clonazepam is 0.5 mg which is equivalent to 10 mg of diazepam. You can't make small dose reductions with clonazepam. Don't wanna post this on the talk page while that crazy anon user is about lol. What are your views?--Literaturegeek (talk) 10:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Anon user

Personally I would like to see a resolution to this but I think you shouldn't be getting further drawn into this argument. I can't see how it can help matters. Most of the facts you initially answered and when it was obvious that this user was not listening there was little point in continuing. Unfortunately I don't have any particular knowledge of any of the administrators. I haven't got a very obvious presence on Misplaced Pages. So I can't help in that respect. My advice is just ignore this person. It's unnecessary putting this much time and effort fighting a cause into one user. My best advice on the topic would be just to ignore this user as there seems to be no reasoning with him/her.

While I will admit that the most of this anon users point were poor there was one argument that the user in question presented which showed some validity. This was the question of toxic doses in the rat experiments. This is a very messy area of pharmacology as it's very difficult to compare the metabolism of drugs on different animals. Most pharmacists and pharmacologists have limited knowledge in this area, myself included. This article may give some insight into the complexity of the area. The main reason for this complexity is because CYP50 compounds have been studied in far greater detail in humans than in animals. Also adding to this is differing physiologies of the species. e.g. The appendix is active in most wild creatures, cows have differing digestive systems, dogs are more susceptible to bromide toxicity etc.

Try not to let this sour your experience on wikipedia. If you manage to keep your cool with this you'll show you're the more rational individual. Medos 13:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Please try to disengage

Literaturegeek, please stop responding to 70.'s edits with personal attacks and offensive remarks. If you feel upset or weirded out, try to disengage instead of escalating this. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 20:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC) I will try again to ignor him. I am sorry, but I just get irritated by this person. Yes it is really weirding me out. I just want to return to the old days of wikipedia editing where I felt comfortable and edited in peace and quiet. I had without this person following my edits about and talking jibberish. I can't believe reviewers take this dude seriously. I am thinking of changing ISP's, maybe I can just disappear and create a new identity and not mention my old names? I know that is against the rules but if I am gonna have this stalker and admins are gonna let this weirdo constantly following me about going on and on and on about clutter and weirdo stuff, what choice do I have? There are other drugs that I have an interest in besides benzos. Perhaps I will disappear and come back on my new ISP with a new secret identity and edit a different class of drugs. I am running out of options. I will probably get banned at this rate anyway because I don't take too kindly to weirdo's following me about lol and it is simply not fair. Blah blah rant over sorry. Check my account(s), I have never been a troublemaker before. I edited in peace.--Literaturegeek (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)